Kim wrote on Oct 11, 2005 7:46 PM:My daughter has been bullied and threatened by another student using the my space. Students have also used this site to complain about teachers using profanity.

Donna wrote on Oct 15, 2005 12:15 AM:My teen believes monitoring her my space is an invasion of her privacy, likened to reading a diary. My husband stands by her in that assessment and believes I am spying on her....an infringement on her personal space and not respecting her development into adulthood. In monitoring her my space I have found her expressing anti-social beliefs and language. She is expressing herself as a person that at home in front of the mirror she isn't. But she is expressing the thoughts in order to be accepted by a person or group of people she wants to impress. It worries me that she wants to impress people that have an "agenda suicide",the ones who are on the outside of the teen social strata and whose theme song is sour grapes. Who wants to belong anyhow?? I want to just disappear. My daughter says these are the only people who accept her and I am worried about her mindset, so I "spy". This action has caused an irrepairable rift in our family and loss of trust. I am conflicted.

Jim Trageser, NCT staff wrote on Oct 15, 2005 12:45 AM:MySpace.com is a public forum - you have every right to read anything posted there that you want to. If she wants a diary, they sell them at Target.

Editor wrote on Oct 15, 2005 6:25 AM:we touch on the pros and cons and realties of the matter in this column

Buffy wrote on Oct 24, 2005 2:38 PM:I had my kids page deleted by from Myspace contacting myspace through the website. This website is disgusting. What the kids are doing is unacceptable and nothing good can come of it. I urge all parents to rise up against this endorsement of negativity and bad behavior in our children's life. Make a stand, we are their parents not their friends. At the very least monitor it.

Carla wrote on Oct 28, 2005 3:49 AM:My daughter knows I look at her myspace and I am shocked by the bulletins her friends who attended Catholic school put up: "rough sex--make it hurt" and providing a calorie chart for how many calories one burns for each type of sex. Others are far worse

Starla wrote on Oct 31, 2005 6:05 PM:I have three teenage girls who have myspace. I monitor the Profile, pictures, but the other day, one of my daughters didn't sign out, so I was able to "see" what she was actually writing to boys. All of my girls accounts are being deleted. Nothing good can become of myspace. My girls are mad, too bad! It's my computer, my AOL account, and I pay for the engergy to turn it on. Nope, no more...

Kim wrote on Nov 2, 2005 7:50 PM:I understand the concerns that parents might have in to regards of their OWN children are doing online,thats their job. But Murrietta school, being concerned, about bullying, well thats going to happen online or offline. I think that "Myspace",is a place where you can still practice, freedom of speech and personal expression, this is still the United States, even you Murrietta!!! Myspace should be used with good intentions, no denying that, but please don't blame the website,

william wrote on Nov 7, 2005 6:14 PM:We have caught our daughter on myspace 3 times and deleted the accounts. She now has lost all computer access. If you want your daughters to post suggestive pictures to lure in a pedophile Myspace is the perfect place. Teenagers are not smart enough to hide their profiles. Any caring parent who wants to spend five minutes on myspace will realize it is absolute trash. Many parents say that their child's site is clean. This may be true, but then go and look at what all her friend's are talking about. Myspace is too dangerous for 12-16 year olds to manage. Pull the plug and get your teenager back before their minds are totally polluted. AIM and all other chat rooms are in the same boat. Kid's will type things that they would never say on the phone. It is a different world from 20 years ago. Please protect your kids.

Diana wrote on Nov 7, 2005 10:23 PM:My daughter and most of her friends have a myspace site. I wouldn't let her have one at first but after viewing her friends site over a period of time, I told her she could have one. Anything that goes on her site she checks with me first. I did let her post one of those survey profiles and did a little editing before I let it stand. I did not let her post anything that made her sound wild or unhappy at home since either of those things could attract a predator. So far all has gone well. If a friend starts posting unacceptable things, I make her delete them from her list of friends with access to the site. I must say that she was only 14 when she set up her site and some of her friends who have sites are only 12. She does not have any "friends" with access to her site who we have not met personally or at least were introduced to her by a trusted friend who know them personally. So far so good. I will let her continue to use it because she has been a responsible person always

Pete wrote on Nov 9, 2005 9:26 AM:I have many issues with My Space. My daughter is on it and it appears that content never filtered or controlled. These kids are permitted to place vulgarity and sexual explicit material without regard for content. MySpace, it seems, avoids or does not care about being responsible for anything their service places on the Internet. They can learn from AOL. It is my belief that parents on the whole should unite and get this type of web service removed. There is no need for it. If kids want to communicate with one another thats what they should be doing in their 8 hours in school during recess, lunchtime, and school activities. Lets Unite and fix this.

Brittany wrote on Nov 9, 2005 9:46 PM:Yeah... I deleted mine. Promoting bands through Myspace didn't work, and people are starting to get really crazy on that site. :-/

JOJO wrote on Nov 15, 2005 6:07 AM:I FEEL IN THIS AGE, THAT MY SPACE IS DANGEROUS FOR YOUNG TEENS AS THEY ARE VERY VUNERABLE. I WISH MORE PARENTS REALLY LOOKED AT ALL THE PROFILES AND PICTURES. YOUR CHILD MAY BE INNOCENT BUT LOOK AT THE SEXUALITY A LOT OF THIS GIRLS ARE PORTRAYING. DO YOU WANT YOUR DAUGHTER GROUPED WITH GIRLS BEING VERY OPENLY SEXUAL. THEY HAVE EMAIL AND TELEPHONES AND FEET TO COMMUNICATE WITH OTHERS. LEARN TO SAY NO. AT LEAST YOU CAN STILL KISS YOUR CHILD GOOD NIGHT AND NOT WORRY THEY MAY BE ABDUCTED.

Judy wrote on Nov 18, 2005 9:58 AM:I have allowed my daughter to have a myspace. Our computer is in our kitchen, which i thought was a good idea, but recently, a good friend of mine told me that she has a friend who could hack into the MySpace back door and find all of the kids personal info that you do to sign up( that is the info that their profile dosent show) Very scary! We are going to talk about it and I am going to let her decide, (she thinks) only so she wont be angry with me. I will present all the info for her, and it should turn out ok. Plus one of her friends recently went to check his MySpace and someone hacked it somehow and changed his pic into a pic of a penis, and told all of his online friends that he was "coming out of the closet" He dosent know how it happened since no one has his password! I dont think we really know what were dealing with.

A.O. wrote on Nov 19, 2005 12:12 PM:My 15 year son is a freshman at Mater Dei and has a page now on myspace.com. He messages his friends, etc. but I managed to get a look at it when he wasn't around and I am shocked and horrified beyond anything I've ever seen by the filth and degredation on myspace.com. My son's 14-year old classmate, a girl I've seen him talk to, has her page of photos of her breasts hanging out and a filthy sex song that plays when her page displays. You can make comments to the photos and boys have left messages about her that I cannot print here. This girl is also a member of the Whore Friends, one of many groups you can belong to on myspace.com. And then there are two "nice" girls he's gone to school with for two years expressing their lesbian love for each other and how they can't wait to spend the night at each other's houses, etc. and all their friends think it's cool and how they're both so hot and sexy (that's what all the teens want to be these days - considered hot and sexy). These girls are 14 years old! But this isn't even the worst. Only a few clicks away are hard core porn images available to anybody for free and undetectable to parents because you're still on the myspace.com website so it won't show up as a look at porn. And the naked models allow access to the boys to comment on their photos and you can see very young boys leaving filthy comments and saying all sorts of things. Rupert Murdoch recently paid a half a billion dollars for myspace.com. And you can add videos and all sorts of slimy things to your own space as well as see every kind of smut and filth that is possible. I don't think parents are aware of this! I certainly wasn't until a week ago. I feel degraded and defiled that I even saw this stuff but I needed to know what was going on.

Shari wrote on Nov 21, 2005 11:34 AM:We deletedmour daughters' MySpace sites a few weeks ago - it was the best decision we could have made. They didn't like it at first but now have more time for other activities and we see a lot less of the gossiping that happens in middle school. We agree that MySpace, while it may have some benefits, has too many negative aspects and possible dangers that outweigh any benefits.

Blondie wrote on Dec 1, 2005 11:22 AM:Myspace has been and can be used in unacceptable ways...but frankly its no worse than AIM or any other porn site. Its not the schools job to contact the parents. Its your job as parents to know where your child is going online. Its sad that schools are having to contact parents about Myspace.You think that you know your children as well as you do. But you dont. DONT BLAME THE WEBSITE.. BLAME THE CHILD.. kids arent as innocent as yall think. There not stupid, there aware of the fact that there are online predators.So dont blame myspace. Myspace is a great tool. But just like anything else in this world it has its pros and cons.

stupid people wrote on Dec 15, 2005 10:04 AM:grow the up. your kids arn't all sweet and inocent it is not like they do not see things like this everyday outside of cber space if you keep your kids confined and unexposed and it cooms time for them to leave you and that time does come quickly what are they going to do they are going to see all these things they have never seen before and dive head first into everything that looks fun and wehther you want to believe it or not there are alot of things that happen now that you could never hope to understand so grow up and let your kids do the same becuase if you don't they will be the first ones to get alchol posining in college i've been there and seen this countless time sheltered kids are the wildest and most out of control in college.

Chris wrote on Dec 24, 2005 2:36 AM:Ok first off, some of these parent's posting here at this forum...need to learn how to spell or use grammar. Secondly, it is your right as parents, was said earlier, to refraim your children or protect them from using myspace. Tell them to use a piece of paper and start writing. Third of all, the Riverside school district has no right at all to try and influence the way a group of people,kids to teenagers, entertain themselves or the way they interpret writing in a Diary. I am a 17 year old male who has been using myspace for over a year. There have probably been some inquiries where certain people have done questionable things on myspace. But that is their own thing. Go ahead protect your kids, but they will only hate you for it, or most of the kids will. This is our time, our time to do things that are fun for us. What was cool for your generation, baby boomers from 1946 to 1965, besides the cell phone? I bet some of the stories you can tell about your teenager years can be some what of as bad as what is happening on myspace. That is my word on this...

RACHEL wrote on Jan 3, 2006 8:55 AM:MYSPACE IS THE BEST!! I LOVE IT!! SO STOP SAYING ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT ARENT TRU!!!

the mels wrote on Jan 16, 2006 7:56 PM:i think that it's the parents' job not the school to teach kids about the dangers of the internet. myspace is just something for fun and some people take it too seriously. also parents should talk to their kids opposed to having the school system watch out for them

Karen wrote on Jan 30, 2006 5:12 PM:Hello, my name is Karen. I have a 15 year old daughter who is on Myspace. Also having a few neices and nephews on it as well. Me and my husband have found that deleting your childs page, there only going to come back to it. We were all young once too. From what I have personally looked at on this website is that when a child of the age 16 or younger is making an account, It is set to private automatically, and can not be seen but no other then there friends. It's a harmless thing. It is the parents responsibility to talk to your children about strangers. And weather to talk to older and dangerous people. You just have to trust them. Being strict about the whole issue, is just going to make them more rebellious. I look at myspace as a diary with friends and pictures. A place where your child can sit and relax talking to there friends without tieing up the phone lines or having a bunch of teens at the house. Jeeze all you people and articles talking about children getting bullyed. If there getting bullyed and myspace wasnt around, don't you think they would get 10x bullyed worser in school, in personal contact. It's your own childs problem. Let them do what they want with it. It's just a fad like Pokemon, and bellbottom pants. Let them enjoy it. Please.. remember what you were doing at there ages. No we may have no had computers, but i know sure as hell and don't tell me you havnt smoked some of that reefa, or drank some of that liqour. Or maybe even throw on something sexy to impress the hot football player. I really hope you do realize that ALWAYS invading in your childs social life, isnt going to get you any closer. And im not saying to completly stay out of it. Ofcourse we have to keep our children safe, but thats that stranger and bad people talk your suppose to be constantly giving them. Give your kids a break. Let them be free of parents for a while. So how long did Pokemon last? Now you tell me something.... how long do you think myspace will be around for? Thankyou for your time in reading this. Hope this gets out to you. Yours truely. Karen

IHATEPARENTS wrote on Feb 10, 2006 8:14 AM:WAAH WAAH! YOUR KID DID THIS YOUR KID HAD THAT! WELL IF YOUR KIDS WERE RAISED RIGHT BY YOU (YEAH YOU YOU LAZY ROTTEN PARENTS) INSTEAD OF RUNNIN OFF TO YOUR LIFE INSTEAD OF SPENDIN TIME OF YOUR PRECIOUS DAILY LIFE WITH THEM THEY WOULDNT DO THIS SHILIZIT AND ITS OUT THERE EVERYONE SEEZ IT THEY LEARN OF IT IN HEALTH SO DDDDDEEEEAAAALLLLL WWWWIIIITTTHHHH IIIIITTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!

ALICIA wrote on Feb 19, 2006 11:41 AM:this is so so so so BAD!

PaNhia wrote on Apr 3, 2006 8:48 AM:My Space is a very dangerous site for young childrens and teenagers. I hope that parents are able to see what their childrens are doing and know that it is very dangerous and they should spend the time to talk to their kids and tell them that it is very dangerous. I totally agreed that it would reduce the crime rate of sexual preditor on teenage or young childrens.

Name wrote on Apr 10, 2006 6:34 PM:You guys are making myspace sound like a bad thing...there's a reason it is so popular. they're comunicating and acting like teenagers...they're not going to be the sweet little angels that never swear or never see the kinds of things that are on there or have sex...

Tim wrote on Apr 19, 2006 11:37 AM:It's a fact that what you experience in life influences your behavior. A 30 sec. Victoria Secret add during the Super Bowl a few years back sent over a million people to their website during half time. Most media out today tends to be a negative influence when it goes mainstream. People are corrupt. It's going to continue this way when the parents themselves have absolutely no standards in their own lives! Parenting has turned into who can become the closest friend with their child instead of guiding them through (which involves discipline and consequences) the most influential years of their life. More importantly than pulling the plug on myspace is monintoring it. Set that as a general rule over all internet use from the start and then myspace simply falls under that rule. Parent your child out of love and a consistent standard of living youself. Communicate with your teen. Love them. Value their opinions. Be a family. Set family values as a high standard. As we become more advanced as a society, "my right to be entertained" is all that seemed to matter. What's wrong with that kind of thinking? We've become lazy, self-centered society, who no longer cares about the consequences of our own actions, but what "I've got com'in to me". Without God, the heart of man is hopelessly lost.

Bernadette wrote on Apr 26, 2006 4:30 PM:Hey everyone, I didn't get a chance to read every comment posted but as a student with a myspace account I would like to say... I realize why parents are concerned but if you want your child's respect and trust, going to their cite when asked not to probably is not the best thing. Sit down with your kid and explain to them the reality of online communities and why they can be dangerous... they'll listen even if they act annoyed and they will remember what you said when the time comes. Explain why they can't give out personal information. As far as their mind-set goes (I'm refering to a comment above) maybe your child needs to express the thoughts they're having but the home and school aren't the places they feel comfortable doing that. Anyway, I appretiate myspace because it allows me to communicate with long-distant friends, share what I'm up to with my friends, discover new bands and artists, and just see what people are like.

William wrote on May 9, 2006 6:30 PM:I'm a teen and i have Myspace, i agree what all of you parents are saying but i see no point in arguing about this site. All the things you mention can happen in real life, instead i think Myspace should have people monitoring blogs etc, not parents. I wouldn't like my mom and dad reading stuff about me.

HelpMeUnderstand wrote on May 15, 2006 5:26 PM:Is there any MySpace official that can help me understand what my son and daughter are doing on this site that benefits your program? How do you possibly keep this site going if you get so many people that dislike it? I myself am not very fond of it, but I will give you a chance to explain yourself to all of us here why you keep it going.

Logan wrote on Jun 2, 2006 1:48 PM:hey i am a myspace user for over a month and i have seen many dicusting things on the web site parents should block this kind of stuff. i found a website on there called: penis galore

Brittney wrote on Jul 10, 2006 8:46 AM:I believe that a parent shouldn't have to stand by their teen while they use myspace.If the parents feel they don't have trust for their teens, they shouldn't let them on that website.I mean whats the whole point of having your teen be able to use the website when all your going to do is monitor them the whole entire time.

matt wrote on Aug 9, 2006 9:15 PM:ive had myspace since november all you parents are stupid shut up i mean god in the 70's when yall were young all you did was smoke weed all the time kids these days days are alot less likely to do drugs all myspace is is a way to communicate with friends if your gonna bitch about this its just like a phone

chelsea wrote on Sep 21, 2006 7:59 PM:haha saying "teens arent smart enough to make their profiles private" is stereotyping. get a life and stop protecting your kids, theres no point. we all know about sex by like 6th grade.

Hellen wrote on Oct 18, 2006 12:06 PM:I personally don't have a Myspace; I am not allowed to have one and frankly it doesn't bother me. I have AOL to talk to my friends and it's a much safer environment than Myspace. I think it's sad that so many teens my age are posting provocitive pictures. Why can't people just grow up and stop being imature. As for some of the other comments that some kids wrote that were rude and unrespectful twords parents...you're not helping your case. You are just showing your parents how imature you are and you are letting them know that you can't be trusted to go off and have your own website to do what ever you want on.

Heather wrote on Oct 23, 2006 8:22 AM:Some kids need for their myspace or other web site to be checked upon. But I think if the owner of the account is stupid enough to put revealing photos, and other things that arn't appropriate for the web site, it's their own fault. Most kids now know not to post things that arn't appropriate. Personally my parents do not check my myspace, and my page is just fine. So I think if the adolescent acts normal and doesn'seem to have any problems at school or at home, then don't worry about there online accounts. It's their own buisness and they need their privousy. **sorry if some words are spelled incorrectly, im at school doing research on a laptop.**

JESS wrote on Nov 7, 2006 9:23 PM:I HAVE HAD A MYSPAXE PROFILE FOR A MONTH NOW, AND I DONT SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THE SITE . IT'S A GREAT WAY TO MEET NEW FRIENDS, AND ONCE YOU CREATE A PROFILE IT IS AUTOMATICALLY BLOCKED! BEFORE ANYONE CAN SEND YOU A MESSAGE YOU( NOT THE WEBSITE )HAVE A CHOICE WHETHER TO ACCEPT THE MESSAGES AND ANY FURTHER MESSAGES FROM THE CERTAIN PERSON OR DENY THEM .. PERSONALLY I LOVE MY SPACE IT'S REALLY FUN TO DESIGN A PROFILE AND CHAT WITH FRIENDS!

Jordan wrote on Nov 14, 2006 5:43 PM:I am a regular myspace user and I believe that myspace is not a bad website alll of these people are saying that it is bad and filthy but it reallly isnt and its not like you cannot make your page "PRIVATE" its much more safer...I LOVE MYSPACE!!!!

Rebecca V. wrote on Nov 30, 2006 2:01 PM:I think that if the students use mysapce correctly and dont go to their enimies Myspace they will aviod the myspace fights. The Kids also should'nt add anyone they dont know in the first place. Myspace is fun and safe to use if you use it correctly and dont post any personal information.

Bon Bon wrote on Feb 5, 2007 4:00 PM:My parents are so uptight and they won't let me have a myspace! i really want one but when I try to talk to them about it they won't even listen to me. Tey think they know everything, but my dad hasn't even been to myspace. myspace is only bad if you choose to make it bad.

aly marie wrote on Feb 8, 2007 12:22 PM:i am doing a report about myspace for my skool research paper. and as i read threw this webpage, i do realize that there are many differant opions by many people but myspace is a place for teens to talk to friends they already know. talk to people that they used to know when they were younger that they may not see anymore. and to meet new people. we put on new pictures so those people we dont see us anymore know wat we look like and some people do it just because they like people to comment them saying good things about them. most people if you dont like them you wont add to say rude things to you'll just ignore them. so i really dont see what the problom is. if there is a problom with people getting taken or something by older men/women, then its not to frequent. most people dont add anyone they dont know. and if you have your profile set to private there is no way for them to see your information unless you are stupid enough to add the people that you dont know. so whats the big deal?!?!

Meeh wrote on Feb 23, 2007 12:36 PM:Hello!!! its not like if you tell your child or student to get off and stay off of myspce they will stay off! myspace is very much addicting. and if ur not old enough or smart enough to kno not to talk to stupid people like the predators, then maybe ur not old enough to even have an account. And parents you can look at theyre page it aint hard. Youd be surprise on how many parents already have a myspace of there own!

TeeTee wrote on Feb 23, 2007 12:39 PM:Hi. . . Well I know all about the harms and violations of myspace but since I have been on myspace so much I know how to get around and protect myself from the people who are bad but if you aren't that smart then maybe you shouldn't be on myspace because people are just going to take advantage.

Chandah wrote on Feb 23, 2007 12:42 PM:Well i learned about things like this but as i was reading the other comments i found out that there are just some much wrong things about myspace. Although i have a myspace i have never put any of those unnessesary pixs and blogs on it i no how to be clean and not dirty like those filthy kids. I heve learned so much and will deffinetly keep a look out for those kinds of people cause i get new freid requeses everyday. Thanks alot and keep up with the good work!

Andrew wrote on Feb 23, 2007 12:47 PM:First of all, I don't have a Myspace but I think that myspace isn't a bad website but I think the dumbest thing you could ever do is meet somone you know on myspace in public.to meet a random person you meet on myspace to me is stupid because you have no idea how that person is. For all you know it could be a 40 year old man posing as a 15 year old boy. You woulden't know so don't try.

chandah wrote on Feb 23, 2007 12:47 PM:Hey its me again just wanting to say thank you again for this article now i can tell my aunt so that nothing happens to my brother. thanks alot again. Bye Bye now!

Tiana wrote on Feb 23, 2007 12:47 PM:I dont think myspace is bad because it is nobodys fault but yourself if something bad happens to you. If you dont want anything bad to happen to you-you should only add people that you know. Myspace can be good or bad just like everything else in this world.It is just the way you make it.

sierra wrote on Feb 23, 2007 2:29 PM:well first of all i think myspace is cool because you can find all of your old friends and in other way myspace is bad because rumors...bye now PeAcE...

jhanea wrote on Apr 23, 2007 12:29 PM:i honestly think that myspace aint all that bad. at first i thought it was dumb and had no meaning to it but i thought about and made up my mind to make a page...now im addicted to it. ppl do what they wanna do on myspace..u can be smart and not tlk 2 juz n*e*one who wanna b yo friend or meet a pervert and thatz all on u...like i said before if you're smart about the situation then u can trust the website!!!!!!!!!!!

Sabrina wrote on Jul 19, 2007 8:25 AM:I have a myspace page, and my mom checks it regularly. I never accept friend requests from anyone I dont know, and I dont post my real name or anything. I use anime pics instead of real pics, and I have it set on private. In order to add me you have to know my last name or email. My mom checks my friend's pages too, and we all have the same security options set up. If you take the right precautions, and listen to your parents, then it's okay to go on to keep in touch with friends and family.

Jan wrote on Nov 19, 2007 7:56 PM:I am a college student researching the pros and cons of MySpace for a paper. I had never been exposed to this media until now and really couldn't write an intelligent paper without reading what others had experienced and gleaming from the knowledge of those who use it. Wow! I am amazed by all of the above comments. They seem to range from parents who are active and involved in their children's lives to ignorant parents who think that children have enough wisdom and the ability to think logically in situations where many adults fail to make the "right" choices. Then, as I read the comments made by the teens defending their right to participate in this MySpace arena, I was blown away by their spelling and grammar. Maybe they should spend a bit more time on their homework and less time exposing themselves to the evils out there. (Sorry for the slam, but just look at what you wrote.) And I'm not only talking about the sexual predators lurking through your photos. You're setting yourselves up for pain and problems. Some may say that we learn from our mistakes, well guys, learn from the mistakes of others and be survivors. Moms and dads who want to turn away and allow your children their "privacy" are the same parents who will be crying out "Why my child, why did it have to be my child?" You are responsible for your children, to protect them and to guide them - this includes watching over them even if it means invading their privacy. I'm not attacking this website or any of you. Please remember that they are called our "children" for a reason - they cannot be expected to act or respond to situations in an adult manner. The MySpace pages are suppose to be for those 16 and older, but even some of you parents admitted that your "teens" are much younger than that. Keep in mind that a pervert will find a backdoor open and will take advantage of it every time. Check the news about the young teen who committed suicide over comments on MySpace.

David wrote on Dec 13, 2007 9:01 AM:this is Ridiculous you parents are all in Denial your kids are not just doing those things to fit in did you ever stop to think maybe they are that way that maybe there friends are the only ones who accept them for who they are? you raised them they didnt learn about suicuide and sex and vulgar language from myspace. its not the website thats bad its the people and it is your kids have the choice to get rid of friends that are not really there friends. its a place for kids to go and express there feelings to there friends because there is nobody else around to care or relate to.

Ricky... wrote on Jan 11, 2008 9:12 AM:If your not first your last!