Latino coalition meets to form a human rights committee

By: YVETTE URREA - Staff Writer | Saturday, October 22, 2005 10:56 PM PDT

VISTA ---- Demonstrators carried signs protesting police brutality and demanding rights for Latinos on a march Saturday to the Townsite Community Center in Vista.

The banners said, "Vista: Gang Injunctions or War on Latino Youth. Stop the Violence," and "Police are supposed to protect the whole community."

Approximately 60 people gathered at the center for a forum held by the Coalition for Justice, Peace and Dignity, made up of North County Latino and human rights organizations. The coalition formed after sheriff's deputies fatally shot three Latino crime suspects who officials said were believed to be threatening the deputies.

Sergio Garcia Vasquez, 32, was killed July 28 after he attacked deputies with a dumbbell and charged at them, according to reports. The next night, Jorge Ramirez, 26, was being chased by deputies as a suspect in an armed robbery when he reached into his clothing and was shot by deputies. Deputies said they thought Ramirez may have had a gun, but he was armed only with a knife. On Aug. 1, deputies shot Jesus Eduardo Manzo, 23, during another pursuit as he reached toward his hip for what turned out to be a multipurpose tool.

No sheriff's officials attended Saturday's forum.

Manzo's mother, Maria Cruz Melchor, held up a framed photograph of her son and addressed the group first.

"I don't ask for anything except justice," she said in Spanish. "I just ask for justice and equality for all."

Sylvia Ramos, the mother of Sergio Ramos ---- who was shot and killed by deputies in Vista on Sept. 7, 2003, after he wielded a knife and lunged at deputies ---- told the group she was there in support of the Manzo family and the others that could not be there. She told the group she was going through the same pain as those families, and she urged people to volunteer for a Vista Human Rights Committee.

Among those on the panel were: John Parker from the Citizen Law Enforcement Review Board, American Civil Liberties Union attorney Michael Marrinan, Consuelo Martinez from the Escondido Human Rights Committee, Christian Ramirez from the American Friends Service Committee, and Arcela Nunez Alvarez of Cal State San Marcos' National Latino Research Center.

The meeting was held in English and Spanish.

Martinez told the group the Escondido committee started in response to the U.S. Border Patrol harassing citizens. She said the committee has documented instances of how some Border Patrol agents were contacting people without provocation, and it was able to stop that behavior.

She urged Vista to form a similar group and offered to assist in training its members.

Ramirez then urged people to form a Human Rights Committee in Vista. He asked residents to volunteer just 20 hours to the committee.

"Soon North County will be a great example to follow in the human rights struggle," Ramirez said.

Parker, whose citizen group reviews complaints against law enforcement, told listeners that if they suspected something was improper they should file a complaint.

"Anyone, regardless of immigration status, has a right to make a complaint," Parker said. "We take all complaints seriously. I guarantee an honest investigation. We have the ability to make changes, but only if we are contacted by the people who want to make a complaint."

Resident Hector Muro, 39, of Riverside said he attended the rally because he believes his family has been victimized by police. He told the group that he believes law enforcement talks about gangs to justify its actions.

He told them they should consider that once their children are out in the streets, most are viewed as gang members because they are Latino.

Eli Magana, 21, a former gang member, said he was disappointed that no law enforcement officials were there to discuss gang prevention strategies.

Magana also said he was concerned that, "With this many gang members in the community, a lot of innocent people might be accused."

Anyone who wants more information on forming a human rights committee in Vista or wants to participate can contact Martinez at (760) 470-2725.

Contact staff writer Yvette Urrea at (760) 901-4076 or yurrea@nctimes.com.

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Billy wrote on Oct 23, 2005 10:25 AM:First of all I don’t think the police are the problem here, they are doing a good job protecting its citizens. The problem is that crime in Vista is a disgrace to North County. Why can’t these people get legal jobs instead of selling drugs and stealing from honest citizens? These criminals and gang members need to be dealt with and the vista police are doing the job we are paying them to do. If there is gang activity in my community I want the police to do something about it. These Latino activist groups are fanatical and endorse crime in our city. We have nice community’s here because we clean up our street crime, if they want to live in a corrupt, crime ridden, and violent city. They should go back to México.

Dav wrote on Oct 23, 2005 11:35 AM:I know we would not have this situtation if people would do what they are asked to do by the police Dept. There seems to be a lack of respect for police and law enforcement. If your not doing anything wrong you should have nothing to hide and you do not need to run or reach for a weapon. Less have a weapon!

ProudAmerican wrote on Oct 23, 2005 7:15 PM:In response to this 'protest'---- may I quote something Mr. Ulman said to Jack Torrance in Stephen King's "The Shining" (TV version). Jack Torrance gets the job of caretaker of The Overlook Hotel, despite the fact that he is only six months sober. Mr. Ulman, the manager, says "You are the recepient of these politically correct times." These 'protesters' are also receipents of these politcally correct times. You want 'your culture', but decry those wish to hold onto their culture as well--- namely the American culture, which includes english! Nothing is ever wrong with the Latino culuture, right? BS! If lawas were adhered to and enforced you'd be back in Mexico in a New York minute. (And yes, I want the employers who hire illegals punished as well!!) I am sick of this nonsense with you self-appointed guardians of "Latino" culture. You are all hypocrites! You want the benefits of being in America, but none of the responsibilties. So go ahead, call me a racist if it makes you feel you've won the arguement. You're still illegal! An illegal by any other name still smells the same. (That goes for ALL illegals, not just the ones from Mexico. DEPORT THEM ALL WITH MILITARY ACTION!!!!!!!!!)

Carlos Acuna wrote on Oct 24, 2005 1:41 PM:Police brutality??? Are they joking? If you charge at or attack a cop, he is going to shoot you. I am latino and these people give all latinos a bad name. What they should be doing is spending their time talking to the parents and figuring out where they went wrong with their kids. The cop is just doing his job, don't blame him, blame the parents.

Rachel wrote on Oct 24, 2005 7:11 PM:95% of all homicide warrants issued and two thirds of all felony warrants were for illegal aliens last year in LA County. So much for statistics. These people want laws to apply to everyone but themselves. I not only condone what the officers did, I applaud it. I have been stopped by officers and searched one time when I happened to be in an area where there was a robbery by a person wearing similar clothing to what I was wearing at the time. When the officers approached me with their guns drawn, I cooperated and identified myself, and of course I was free to go later when the actual robber was spotted. No harm no foul. They did their job, and in their position I would do the same. Their job is to stop criminals and protect themselves enough to be able to go home at the end of their shift. The people listed above are criminals, regardless of what thier nationality is, who attacked the police officers and/or were threatening them. I have no sympathy for them whatsoever. If their parents had taught them to behave correctly towards officers and to respect the law, they would probably be alive today.

PROUD MEXICAN wrote on Oct 24, 2005 7:30 PM:First of all Proud American you are going about the issues the wrong way. You are right about MexciaNS WANTING EQUALITY AND yes some of them are illegal but we are not here to steal. We come in search of a better life and then again there are those that adapt to a new lifestyle through crime. I agree with you that if you are an illegal you would be back there in a second but there are those of us who are citizens that cause no harm. You need to look at history and realize how important mexican immigrants are to the U.S. economy. In regards to this kid getting killed by a cop, he may not have been the model citizen but he did not deserve to die that way. The cop proves nothing to the community in having acted that way, instead he imcrements the fear in that community and leads for an increment for more citizens to respond that way. So please educte yourself and ten make a valid statement.

Pat wrote on Oct 24, 2005 7:35 PM:It doesn't matter what color you are, if you reach into your clothing, your are a dead man. How stupid do you think cops are?

John wrote on Oct 24, 2005 7:48 PM:So what would happen if you were in Mexico and a cop thought that you were reaching for a weapon? Your body would be Swiss Cheese and the cops would charge your family for the bullets.

Tom wrote on Oct 24, 2005 9:49 PM:LOL! It is funny that some blast Mexico for being a cesspool of corruption while the U.S. government allows illegal immigrants to work for businesses importing cheap labor. These employers give big donations to the politicians to make sure the cheap labor keeps rolling in. Meanwhile, American taxpayers get to foot the bill for the education, health care, housing, and food stamps of the cheap labor. What a deal! Taxpayers foot the bills while businesses employing illegals get cheap workers and drive down the wages of American workers! How is THAT for corruption? Tens of thousands of workers are using the SSN of 000-000-0000 and our federal government does nothing. Our federal government has the names of thousands of employers with workers who have names that do not match their SSN but do nothing about it. There is a pretty good chance that some illegal is using YOUR SSN but the U.S. government (and the credit reporting agencies) will refuse to tell you about it. How is THAT for corruption? The U.S. government is just as corrupt as the government of Mexico. The plan for a "guest worker program" is just an attempt to "legalize" the corruption of the U.S. government. At least their is some entertainment value in watching the politicians coming up with lies to cover up their sellout of the American middle-class. The Mexicans simply have less money to spend on PR.

Madison wrote on Oct 24, 2005 11:22 PM:The fact is White people are being ethnically cleansed from our neighborhoods, towns, cities and now states. It isn't crime or culture or language although these things are important but it IS race. Why should White Americans support their own genocide and disenfranchisment? White people as of 1965 were over 94% of Americas population...THEN came the horrible 1965 Immigration Reform Act...and NOW White Americans have been reduced to just under 70% of the population. The truth is NOBODY would care if 20 million White Swedes or English or any other Europeans came hear and obeyed the law as it would NOT destroy our racial population. Why on Earth should we openly support ethnica cleansing, job loss, land loss, money loss, culture loss, language loss, and the MASSIVE crime because these people "only want a better life" WELL TOUGH CRAP!! ALL 6 BILLION PEOPLE ON EARTH WANT A 'BETTER LIFE" But YOUR seach for a better life does NOT trump the survival of an entire race of people and their heritage and culture!! So get out NOW!! Before the shooting starts...because it IS going to start.

Thinker wrote on Oct 25, 2005 5:45 AM:Get a clue, Mexican is not a race. Neither really is Hispanic for that matter. it was invented by the Nixon Administration to categorized a growing Spanish-speaking part of the population for census purposes. For all intents and purposes THEY ARE WHITE! Nobody is cleansing anybody's race. If you want more "White" people have a bunch of kids instead of complaining about a culture that puts more emphasis on that than we do here in the U.S. We raise money, not kids.

Frida wrote on Oct 27, 2005 3:19 PM:Violence and death are never justified. If you child was killed by a cop, you would understand. It's not about pointing fingers its about a politcy of violence, and no accountability to police when they should be accountable to the people, the community. The cops work for us and they are supposed to protect, not kill!

truth teller wrote on Nov 22, 2005 3:26 PM:1st of all you need to do a better job at screening these emails. How could allow people to be openly racist, hateful, and proponents of violence against any community of people. by allowing hate mail by closet KKK memebers in your forum, your are condoning bigotry and condoning violence and in the worst cases murder. you are doing a diservice to yourselves and to all members of the human family whatever skin pigmentation they may be.

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