50th District candidates spar at forum
By: WILLIAM FINN BENNETT - Staff Writer | ∞
SAN MARCOS ---- A group of about 150 seniors finally got a chance Saturday to see a full-scale candidate debate, just one month before the June 6 runoff to pick a temporary replacement for the 50th Congressional District seat formerly held by Randy "Duke" Cunningham.
The seat has been vacant since late last year, when the Vietnam War hero pleaded guilty to his role in a massive scam in which he received $2.4 million in bribes to steer government business to two defense contractors. He is now serving an eight-year, four-month sentence in federal prison for those crimes.
Saturday's face-off between Republican Brian Bilbray and Democrat Francine Busby didn't disappoint, as the two hashed out their positions and criticized each other on everything from abortion and lobbying to illegal immigration.
Busby, who has made ethics reform the main plank in her campaign platform, began with that issue.
"I am talking about restoring integrity to a legislative process that has given drug companies a Medicare bill, has given oil companies an energy bill, has given credit card companies a bankruptcy bill and has really stuck the American people with the bill," she said. "People feel like they have nowhere to turn ... they feel like they have been sold out."
In his opening statements, Bilbray stressed that as a congressman, he would represent local interests "not representing a party, not representing somebody in Sacramento or Washington."
He also touted his experience as a local elected official, having served Imperial Beach as a councilman and then mayor, then on the county Board of Supervisors, and finally as a congressman, representing the 49th District from 1995 to 2000.
He said his years in Congress will give him the seniority he needs to do a more effective job than Busby.
"We can't wait five years to address the illegal immigration issue," he said. "We can't wait for somebody to learn and gain seniority."
The moderator, Channel 10's Nina Jimenez, posed questions submitted by audience members. Each candidate had two minutes to respond, and their opponent was allowed one minute to rebut.
Abortion differences
Clear differences emerged between the candidates' positions on abortion.
Bilbray said that while he supports current federal law that allows women to get abortions during their first trimester, he opposes late-term abortions, and while in Congress he voted to prevent them.
"I do not support infanticide, and partial-birth abortion is infanticide," Bilbray said.
He added that he also supports requiring doctors to notify parents before performing an abortion on minors. Some states have such laws.
Busby said that while all people would like to see fewer abortions, she believes that should be done by giving women greater access to family planning and birth control.
"That's the most humane, the most reasonable and rational way to reduce the number of abortions," Busby said.
She said that those who make the decision on a late-term abortion do not do so on a whim. They do so because they are in a "tragic situation," where the child "has a problem" or the mother's health is at risk, Busby said.
"That family should have access to making the decision," she said.
Lobbying: 'What's the big deal?'
Things got a bit dicey when the question was posed: "What is the big deal with Brian Bilbray being a lobbyist?"
Busby said "you and I" don't have as much access to Congress as lobbyists.
"Our Congress is selling out to an auction house, instead of (being) the house of the people," she said.
Since leaving Congress in 2000, Bilbray has worked as a registered lobbyist in Washington. However, he has defended himself from that label and its implications, saying that most of his lobbying work was advocating for the Washington-based anti-illegal immigration group Federation for American Immigration Reform, or FAIR.
In response to Busby's statements, Bilbray said he decided to run for Congress because, "I believed strongly that illegal immigration ... needed to be addressed."
Tax cuts
Another question was how would Bilbray vote on a proposal by President George Bush to renew tax cuts. Conservatives say the tax cuts that Congress and Bush enacted in 2001 have been one of the main reasons for the country's strong economy.
Many Democrats, however, have criticized the cuts as mainly benefiting the wealthy, not low-income Americans. They have also blasted the tax reductions as one of the chief causes of the mushrooming national debt ---- a debt they say poses grave risks to the nation's economy in the years to come.
Bilbray said he would vote for making the tax cuts permanent.
"The argument that we need more money, more money in Washington, is an argument that says we need less money in San Diego County," he said.
Busby said she would not vote for renewing the tax cuts. She said that with the unprecedented debt the country now faces, allowing the tax cuts to continue "would be irresponsible, until we start talking seriously about trying to balance the budget."
"If we are going to have them, they should go to working families ... and not to the wealthiest," she said.
Illegal immigration
Asked what he plans on doing about the problem of illegal immigration, Bilbray said he plans to continue to push for a crackdown.
"The House gets it," he said of a bill approved by the House of Representatives last year that focuses on beefing up the border and increasing penalties on those who employ illegal immigrants. That bill, however, makes no provision for a guest-worker program that would allow illegal immigrants to temporarily live and work in this country.
A competing Senate bill stalled last month that would have allowed many of the estimated 11 million to 12 million illegal immigrants living here to begin a path toward legalization, with certain restrictions and qualifications.
Calling that proposal nothing more than amnesty, Bilbray said it would have rewarded people for being in the country illegally.
"We need to crack down now," he said.
Busby said that she has yet to hear Bilbray make any concrete proposals for dealing with the problem.
"You can't just build walls ---- we've got the 'for hire' sign out, we've got the 'keep out' sign out," she said.
She blamed the current immigration crisis on the ongoing failure of Congress to enact comprehensive immigration reform that protects the nation's borders and cracks down on employers, while not allowing illegal immigrants a pathway to legalization.
Clearer picture of candidates
After the debate, several members of the audience said they really enjoyed seeing the give and take between the candidates and the opportunity to see how they handled themselves when confronted by tough questions.
"It's always good to hear it from their mouth, instead of something that was written for them by someone else," said registered Republican Anne McCain, 81.
Registered Democrat Al Rodbell, 66, had a similar take.
"We were able to ask pointed questions that could not be answered by sound bites or tested by consultants," Rodbell said.
Contact staff writer William Finn Bennett at (760) 740-5426 or wbennett@nctimes.com.
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John wrote on May 6, 2006 7:53 PM:Knock 'em dead Francine! I can't believe that the Republicans settled for a retread like Bilbray. There were at least 2-3 other good candidates in the first pass. Maybe North County is suffering from battered voter syndrome. Like a woman who goes back to the man who beat her, North County voters seem to keep courting the same ilk of good old boy politicians. I hope Busby takes this just to shake things up and let the fat cats in Washington know they don't own us and can't buy a seat for one of their lap dogs.
Skippy wrote on May 7, 2006 8:33 AM:My wife and I attended this debate. Francine greeted us and I told her that there are two main issues that concern me: 1) Shut down that border, immediately, with the military and 2) Stop this dependence on foreign oil by drilling for our own. She said, "I guess you won't be voting for me." But it was her absolute refusal to condemn partial-birth abortion that was most appalling. She is sincere but she is sincerely wrong. She is a far-left liberal, naive at best, and a complete rookie. To come into a meeting of mostly patriotic Americans and spew the liberal mantras demonstrates complete disconnection with reality. Brian showed compassion and a capacity to deal with what is really our main concerns. Reject Busby, she is clueless.
Harry wrote on May 7, 2006 9:59 AM:Bilbray: the best politician that lobbiest money can buy! Busby is the candidate that stands for change and I don't care how they try to bait or misrepresent her, she is not a crazed liberal, she is not a mouthpiece for any special interest. She is the best alternative to the status quo and the shameful legacy of Cunningham and his ilk.
gimmeabreak wrote on May 7, 2006 11:53 AM:"Skippy", you're looking for excuses to justify reflexively casting your vote for the Cheese Sandwich with the "R" after it just like you presumably did 8 times for Duke-the-war-hero Stopping dependence on foreign oil by drilling for our own presupposes we've got large surpluses of it just waiting around to be tapped. Dream on. Ending "dependence" for certain involves "oil" too, therefore meaning alternative fuels. And what Military are you going to use to shut down the border? It's overextended right now, thanks to Bush-Cheney, and with the tacit approval of the GOP dominated Congress - who beat your same "patriot vs. liberal" drum to make that fiasco happen. No simple solution to the immigratino problem; but there's a virtual guarantee that if we don't change directions, we're headed further down a dark hole . . .
A voter wrote on May 7, 2006 12:28 PM:Why would anyone vote for Bilbray? He is the same ole, same ole as his Repub supporters who are stumping for him. The abortion issue is a red herring- families need to make their own choices with competent medical care. The border issue is also a red herring-we all know that migrant labor is necessary and the vast majority of these workers are not nor should become felons. The real issue is whether or not you want to vote in someone with the same old mentality as the Duke, DeLay, and other crooked Republicans.
Independent Voter wrote on May 7, 2006 12:40 PM:Here's a new idea: just because a child is born in this country to people who are not citizens, don't make him a citizen simply by an act of birth. This would eliminate one route of immigration. Note to Skippy - we don't have enough military left in country to close the borders -- they're all overseas in Bush's tidy little wars.
Penny wrote on May 7, 2006 3:50 PM:Harry, you are looking past the facts... Bilbray has been a lobbyist and a consultant. Both of which make can make up to millions of dollars a year. If Bilbray was so interested in gettin paid... why would he bother with losing the opportunity. Bilbray is concerned about the issues, and wants to make a difference. And as for the independant voter... He is also making it clear that he wants to change the birthright amendment. I do agree with you about the military and borders, however. I believe we should stop regulating the border patrol and allow the law enforcers to enforce the law.
Al wrote on May 10, 2006 5:22 PM:The Union Tribune reported Bilbray said, " I consider my self in the Pro Choice camp" And that same paper put him in the same catagory of opinions on abortion as Busby. The "partial birth ban" that he advocates has been ruled unconstitutional because it does not allow an exception for the health of the mother. Any normal human deplores terminating the life of a near full term fetus. But when the mothers health is in danger or a grave birth defect is discovered, in rare occasions it is the best for all concerned. And definitely it is not the Government's business.
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