Dan From Temecula wrote on Jun 27, 2006 11:34 PM: We don't need illegals they need us. We will survive without them, and they will survive in their own country. That being said these humble illegals aren't as humble as some may think. The problem with pro illegal activist is they don't see the crime rate that illegals are commiting each and every day. While they break are laws just by being here, they also break many other laws that include the sales of drugs, prostituion, rape ,murder, strong armed robbery,ect.... And I know you illegal loving people are getting ready to say well we commit all those crimes and worse as well, my point is your right we don't need any more than what already we have. Another strong point I have is when an illegal commits a crime and is sentence to time. Myself, and all of you pay $40,000 a year per head then when there done serving there time we give them money small I know and then pick the bill up to deport them for them just to hop are fence again. I don't need cheaper flowers, fruits or vegetables, I need security for my family from illegal illegals. I'm not racist and if you haven't been to mexico say a border town they don't care how they live. Some of you might think otherwise but thats probably cause your landscapers are nice, but believe me they are not the majority. Illegals are stealing are country from us. They will work for less even when they become legal because they don't mind sharing a room with6 others so they will take less $ and that means your job to is up for grabs because employers are out mostly for themselves and their familys(nothing wrong with that). This has to stop and we need to regulate are law and find all illegals( all nationalities) fine them and kick them out for good. That way we can reward those who have waited for so long to do it the right way and let them come over with jobs awaiting. Sick of hearing the otherside of it when all you come up with lies and deceit. Your wrong admit it. How can people be so blind.

Realist wrote on Jun 28, 2006 2:02 AM:What it comes down to, is if there is a need for workers our country will provide an opportunity for immigrants to become citizens as the needs arise. As it stands, there are many employment opportunities being stolen by illegal immigrants that do contribute back to society. The only people that want them here, feel that way for selfish reasons. It is that they either have illegal relatives or they benefit by the illegal cheap labor. This approved law is a baby step, which will prbably have a minimal effect. The good law-abiding (other than being here illegally) illegal immigrants will work hard and find a way to become citizens while the criminals will be screened and deemed unacceptable for entry. I don't see why this is such a problem. It probably only a problem because we turned a blind eye for so long. We are eventually going to have to deal with the corrupt Mexican government to help straighten out our neighbor. Mexico is due for a revolution, I don't know why the illegals are so determined to revolt against the United States instead. They have many of the same resources in their country. They just need a little help taking their country back for the people. President Fox is a drug dealer, pimp, and thief.

Wow, Dan ! wrote on Jun 28, 2006 3:31 AM:I can correct your spelling and grammar but your words pretty much say it all. I agree; "How can people be so blind"?

Shauni wrote on Jun 28, 2006 6:11 AM:I am sorry you are sick of hearing the other side, as in truth, there are always two sides to every story. With open minds people can come together to decide what is the most decent and reasonable course of action. Closed minds and hatred divide us as a country at a period in history when it is critical that we band together. Think with your brains, not with your emotions!

El Guero wrote on Jun 28, 2006 6:22 AM:Some dude named 'Chunky' said 'We're not bad people. This country needs us. We're here to work and support it.' True-False-True-False. True, most illegal immigrants probably are not bad people. But the country absolutely doesn't need them. In fact, we don't even want them, but our government isn't listening to us on this issue; it's listening only to Big Money. True, the illegals are here to work, but most definitely they're not here to support our country; they're here to support their families back home in Mey-hee-co. A timely illustration of this appears in today's NCT under the headline 'Residents evaluate their neighborhood.' It can be found here: http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2006/06/28/news/inland/21_02_336_27_06.txt. The same story appears in the crosstown newspaper under the better headline 'Poverty soaring in area of Escondido.' I'll bet most people can figure out why without even reading it. It starts off with: 'A neighborhood just north of downtown [Escondido] is an island of mostly poor immigrants who live in crowded apartments...The study...found that the area languishes under the fastest-growing overty rate in the state. About 80% of the residents never attended college, and more than half do not speak English...Seven years ago, Escondido began pouring money into one of its most troubled neighborhoods...The city has spent about $9 million on affordable-housing projects, child-care subsidies, after-school programs and a 4.5-acre park...' Escondido city fathers promise more taxpayer help in response to the residents' demand for more 'social services.' I wish someone would explain to me why illegal immigrants are such a great bargain. Guiseppi? Anyone?

NO AMNESTY wrote on Jun 28, 2006 6:39 AM:These people are a drain on our economy, our lives and need to be sent home along with all of their anchor children. We need to force employers to verify social security numbers BEFORE they hire them and that would END illegal immigration.... after ICE and the border patrol send them back to their native country.

Robert24 wrote on Jun 28, 2006 6:45 AM:Congratulations Vista! Great work, and about time. Now the rest of the country needs to stand up and do the same. This is not unconstitutional, Mr. Loy, but being here illegally is. Plain and simple. And. Mr. McWhinney, we really do not need illegals. We can mow our own lawns, wash our own cars, clean our own houses, etc. Some have become lazy and taken advantage of the cheap labor, but we absolutely do not need it. Great job again Vista. Please continue to uphold this and do not back down in the face of the few that will call racism or unconstitutional. Illegal is illegal.

Vista John wrote on Jun 28, 2006 7:10 AM:This lawless condition has gone on for a long time, some law abiding Americans want the laws observed. This in no way makes someone a racist or xenophobe. America has helped allot of countries including Mexico, the illegal alien worker has been around for a long time. When Illegal Aliens begin to take over complete communities and start changing laws, some may feel it has gone too far. If the laws of this country are continual ignored I would suspect that the American citizens will finally wake up and begin to first VOTE! Second really want to learn what is happening in California, Arizona and Texas. I would also suggest most states will not want to go along with what California and other sanctuary cites\communities are doing. This is just the beginning of the change back from a lawless condition being corrected because our Federal Government is doing nothing. Bottom line Laws should be enforced or removed the present condition is only going to get worse for all of us. A person standing around shopping malls to get work is not a proper way of getting employment in this country. There must be a better way; Vista is attempting to find a better way to do this. If you are a legal citizen or legal foreign worker what do you care how you get hired as long as you get paid should be the important point. Give these businesses back their parking lot, apply to become a legal citizen/worker in America or please leave.

Liberal Democrat wrote on Jun 28, 2006 7:15 AM:Thank you, Vista. I am a "liberal Democrat" and have been against illegal immigration since it first started impacting our schools and social services- 20 years ago! Most of the people I know are passionatle anti-illegal immigration, so I don't know who the h--- the Democratic Party is listening to!!! We are NOT the lifeboat for Mexico and Central and South America. This issue killed Francine Busby, and it should have! If you are soft on immigration, my "liberal" vote goes to the other guy of whatever party. After this big problem is fixed, we can move on to other issues.

Vista John wrote on Jun 28, 2006 7:26 AM:Example of other communities making laws: The City Council of Hazelton, Pennsylvania just voted to revoke the licenses of businesses that hire illegal aliens. Additionally, they will impose a $1000 fine for any landlord who rents property to illegal aliens.

Harry wrote on Jun 28, 2006 7:27 AM:"When Adam delved and Eve span, Who was then the gentleman?" In the 14th century this couplet reminded folks that we all have humble origins and all the layers of distiction we add, don't overcome our commonality. It doesn't matter if your forebearers were debtors and prostitutes emptied out of prison and sent to the new world in America, or if they bought passage in the bowels of a ship and came with nothing but dreams or if you made the dangerous journey from Mexico--we are all sons and daughters of Adam and Eve. It is unseemly to get all in a dither about your legitimacy.

Stardust wrote on Jun 28, 2006 7:29 AM:It's about time! As more and more people wake up to the fact that the illegal alien invasion, and oh yes, it is most difinately an INVASION, from the third world corrupt cesspool known as Mexico, is a dangerous plague that is destroying every facet of our nation, these same people will rise up to snatch back their beloved country from the brink of anarchy and destruction. This out of control Mexican Invasion is breeding and disseminating anarchy, lawlessness, crime, chaos and communicable diseases on an epic and Biblical scale and if not eradicated soon, will have the most harmful and irreversible effects. The illegal aliens themselves are the 'effects' of corrupt, greedy and power hungry people on both sides of the border and both sides of the aisle in WDC. The only thing that will stop it is massive grassroots/public outcry and outrage over the issue. Pres. Bush's sick, corrupt and evil OPEN BORDERS policy is the undoing of our nation. Our CIA warns it is not IF, but WHEN we get HIT again by terrorists and w/TEN THOUSAND illegals per day pouring in, along w/countless terrorists, how could any person not demand immediate and total border SECURITY NOW? And since you, the average Joe are bound by the laws of the land, why are illegal aliens given a complete pass on our DMV, labor, tax and IMMIGRATION laws? Why? We need SECURITY and ENFORCEMENT first! Be sure to attend your local CONGRESSMAN'S town hall mtg on illegal immigration this July 5th...check news for location.

EscoResident wrote on Jun 28, 2006 7:49 AM:How long is it going to take before this government starts to listen to the LEGAL AMERICANS!!! We dont want any more illegals, and we certaintly dont need them to survive. I would be more than willing to pay a premium in my produce section for the sake of being able to walk down the city streets of Escondido again and not feel like an ALIEN myself. There is a right way and a wrong way to enter this country so why is it even a discussion, deport these ILEEGAL ALIENS AND LET US GET BACK TO OUR LIVES!!!!!! Why cant the Border Patrol just drive to these day laboror hang outs and start carding these guys????? Round them up and get rid of them!

It is not racial... wrote on Jun 28, 2006 8:07 AM:I am of Mexican Descent...It is not a racial thing. I am against Illegal immigration period. What do they not understand about "illegal"? Not all are bad but there are enough to stereo type the illegal immingrant. By the way I heard the Del Mar Fair is waving a Mexican flag along with the US and California flag. What is wrong with this country??

Ahoward wrote on Jun 28, 2006 8:10 AM:Apartment and home overcrowding is becoming a SEVERE problem across all of North County. Our schools are completely overburdered, our hospitals.. our entire social infrastructure are crumbling under the weight of immigration. These people pay little if any taxes and if they do.. its with a STOLEN social security number. If they fail to pay taxes on the stolen SSN guess who gets stuck with the bill.. the actual owner! Consider the impact of false credit reports.. they are ruining someones life! Every study has shown that illegals are a drain on the economy over the course of their lives. What they take in terms of medical care, schooling and public services far outweigh any contributiont they make over the course of their lives. Here is our message to you.. STAY HOME AND FIX MEXICO, WE DONT WANT YOU AND WE DONT NEED YOU!

Put the employers AND: wrote on Jun 28, 2006 8:14 AM:The illegals in JAIL!

EscondidoRes wrote on Jun 28, 2006 8:15 AM:Great job Vista! We in Escondido, led by Mayor Pfeiler, pander to the illegals. Escondido is running studies to see how we can provide them more benefits. It is a sickening situation.

Rhonda 0'Side wrote on Jun 28, 2006 8:22 AM: They banned smoking in bars and restuarants. We learned to live with it, no big deal. They raised the price of gas, we ajusted to it. You cut off cheap labor, we will get off our lazy butts and do the work ourselves. You only have an illegal immigration problem when it is allowed. Now it is against the Law to hire Day Laborers. America needs to wake up and stop allowing crimes to go unpunished, allowing rules to be broken. Enough is enough. Vista is setting a good example for other cities to follow. Koodos!

Justin wrote on Jun 28, 2006 8:26 AM:It's about time. I was beginning to think that in a couple more months there would be hot dog and taco stands on the street corners and 3 year old children selling Chiclets. In the past 10 years, Vista has really given itself a major face lift. I hope this continues and the people who live here and support the local economy stand up for it and fight to keep it an American city and not little Mexico.

Simon wrote on Jun 28, 2006 8:30 AM: What it really, really comes down to is everybody getting their stuff together. Let's start with the illegal non-citizens. Everything they do in this country is founded on a crime - they are here illegally - they are breaking the law. Therefore, there is nothing they can do to justify any of their activities. It appears that the city of Vista has made a smart move. They shouldn't have to do that. Hiring an illegal is a crime. it is a simple matter of arresting the person(s) doing the hiring, and the bosses that sent them to hire the criminals, and hitting them with a stiff fine. Then exposing the names of the criminals to the public. I wonder how many of the "bosses" present themselves to the public as law abiding citizens. Last but not least, where are the law enforcement people? I know where they should be - on the street looking for a job.

Tired of Illegals wrote on Jun 28, 2006 8:49 AM:Shauni - what do you have in mind? Letting them all move in with you? Are you ready to lower your standard of living (you're probably an apartment dweller already) to support the children of illegals? What is your best idea to solve the problem? You sound like a democrat - all "feelings" and have no plan of action to resolve the issue!

You Know What? wrote on Jun 28, 2006 9:13 AM:I do not need illegal labor to improve the quality of my life. Heck, I will like to see a day, a week, a year without illegal visitors in my town just to see how 'bad' my life will be. Has to be a lot better than seeing that circus on Escondido Ave and Santa Fe road every morning.

Everybody wrote on Jun 28, 2006 9:14 AM:Everybody should follow the law!! Good job VISTA... Employers now hide behind the toothless Federal Laws passed by "christian - conservatives". If congress had enough guts and brains to set up a computer based system where employers were REQUIRED to check the legal status of anyone they hired under penalty of say, $1,000 per day per violation, we would have no undocumented problem. This would save us the $$$ we spend on building and maintaining fences. I for one would be willing to have a NATIONAL ID CARD to prove my legal status.

Elena wrote on Jun 28, 2006 9:41 AM:To all of you that are against Illegal immigration, I will say a prayer on the Sunday mass and ask God to forgive you for the cruel things that are about to happen. I just hope that all of you will never need a helping hand of an illegal immigrant. Don't eat your vegetables that was pick by an illegal person. Oh by the way where your ancestors came from, the only AMERICAN people are the NATIVE AMERICAN INDIANS!!!!!!!!! are all of you Native Americans?

Bravo Shauni wrote on Jun 28, 2006 9:45 AM:I hope you live in Vista because I think rather than a face lift Vista needs a heart transplant. I agree with you and I'm glad to hear there are at least two people with some sense.

illegal Juan wrote on Jun 28, 2006 9:52 AM:We still wont stop !!!! keep up the good work my illegal friends!!

Eric wrote on Jun 28, 2006 9:53 AM:I think it is a little premature to claim this as a victory. I would not start popping open the Champagne, just yet. This Ordinance will not go unchallenged. In reality under the 14th Amendment this is Unconstitutional and it will probably die a slow death in the justice system. Anyway for what it's worth go try Vista.

Tired of Illegals wrote on Jun 28, 2006 9:54 AM:Elena - while you are praying, say a prayer for your wallet!

To El Guero wrote on Jun 28, 2006 9:57 AM:Sounds like you have a problem with Escondido and the decisions they have made. You are an immigrant too, that is if you are not a Native American. Stop bitching about Escondido that is not the Vista residents problem. Who says the immigrants are a bargain, you are one and you certainly are not big prize.

To The Man from Temecula wrote on Jun 28, 2006 9:59 AM:Please keep your comments to yourself as you are not a resident of Vista and this is none of your business. You people of Temecula have managed to make Temecula the biggest racist City in all of So. Cal. so shut up already.

To Tired of Illegals wrote on Jun 28, 2006 10:01 AM:Just like I said Vista needs a heart transplant. Elena keep on praying woman of God. If my people who are called by My name will humble themselves and pray, and turn from their wicked ways....Then will I hear from heaven and I will heal there land. Amen!!!

8th Generation American-Irish wrote on Jun 28, 2006 10:03 AM:Answer to Elena: Yes, I am a native American as Dennis Banks has stated. I was born in the USA and that is as native as any American can be. Funny that you refer to "NATIVE AMERICAN INDIANS as AMERICAN" since the word is named after Amerigo Vespucci, an Italian mariner who sailed under the Portuguese flag in the 'new' world.

Ahoward wrote on Jun 28, 2006 10:05 AM:Elena.. instead of wasting your prayer powers on saving us, why dont you spend your energy praying to fix Mexico so these people have a chance in their native country. It appears that even in your prayer you know its hopeless and expect Americans to carry you. Illegal immigrants are NOT our responsibility. We want your misguided prayer about as much as we want your immigrant labor.

o2cool1 wrote on Jun 28, 2006 10:07 AM:Illegal immigrants or invited guests? Seems to me they are not illegal immigrants as much as they are undocumented guests, since we knew full well people were crossing the border on a regular basis and did nothing to stop the flow.I have serious doubts that any of those that own a business and say they want the so called illegal immigrants to be deported would prevent them from spending their money in their establishment. I also have little doubt that many who speak out against our "undocumented guests" take advantage of their being here and have never asked their gardener or housekeeper for proof of legal residency. Here's an idea, let's all meet for margaritas at a local Mexican restaurant so we can talk about how to get rid of the Mexicans.

Mike America wrote on Jun 28, 2006 10:10 AM:hey Elena; Native Americans are a good example of what happens when you have OPEN BORDERS.

Dug wrote on Jun 28, 2006 10:18 AM:In the passing of the measure, from where will the money come and was money allocated in that provision?

Mexico wrote on Jun 28, 2006 10:22 AM:It appears that former Mexico City mayor Lopez Obrador of the Party of the Democratic Revolution is on the verge of becoming the next President of Mexico. He is an admirer of Venezuela President Hugo Chavez, a man that follows the philosophy of our good friend Castro. If we do not control our borders now, how will we fare with a pro-communist Mexican government?

to 8th generaton wrote on Jun 28, 2006 10:28 AM:you are right!!! everyone that is born in the USA is consider native American. In few more years my sons, daughters, nephews, nieces, couisins that right now are less than 16 years old (all of them born at Tri-City hospital) will go out and vote and guess what I'm mexican, a legal resident, thanks to my parents that work all of their lifes in the fields picking up strawberries and all the vegetables and on 1986 were able to become legal residents too. In the future all of those kids will go out and vote and guess what for sure they will not vote for your stupid ideas!!!!!

Pete Nice wrote on Jun 28, 2006 10:30 AM:Yes, let's get rid of all illegal immigrants & pay $5 for one apple, because nobody else is going to do the cheap labor that they do. I like how Rhonda in O'side said that she is going to get off her lazy butt & do something, I'd like to see her pick strawberries in 90 degree heat for $5 an hour. Don't be so stupid, if we didn't need them, they wouldn't be here.

LLoyd. wrote on Jun 28, 2006 10:30 AM:When you see the endless parade of Mexican mothers pushing strollers doubled-up with kids along the streets of Vista, I recall my parents. In 1955 they waited three years to have me because they could not afford it. The Mexican mentality is to have the baby first,to "anchor" their stay here, then apply for welfare so we pay for it all.

Way to get going Vista wrote on Jun 28, 2006 10:35 AM:Harry and the rest of the yahoos supporting law breakers can take a HIKE down to Mexico and put your efforts into fixing that country!!

Ed wrote on Jun 28, 2006 10:46 AM:This is ridiculous! Why don't we treat illegal immigrants like illegal immigrant? Because we are afraid? Maybe. In Escondido, check out Interfaith Community Services and their hiring hall. See their webpage at www.interfaithservices.org and go to Programs then go Confi en ti. This type of thing has been happening here in Escondido for several and has got to stop.

Tired of Illegals wrote on Jun 28, 2006 10:47 AM:Hey Shauni - where's your plan for the solution? After you get done eating your oats and sprouts, please write back with your plan - don't forget to ask francine and claudia their opinions as well, after all, they know what's best for the poor downtrodden oppressed overpopulators! I'm anxiously awaiting to hear your plan, maybe it will be elena's prayer being answered!!

Robert24 wrote on Jun 28, 2006 10:50 AM:Eric; what part of the 14th amendment protects illegal activity? I love how people are so quick to quote the law that fits their particular application, but choose to ignore the rest of the laws! Maybe a quick look in the dictionary under "illegal" is in order here.....

Justin wrote on Jun 28, 2006 10:50 AM:Elena, illegal is illegal. Period. We (Americans who live here legally) like to "pick" what comes into this country.....like educated people that will actually contribute to our society, rather than leach off of it. But thanks for the prayer anyway.

American woman wrote on Jun 28, 2006 11:08 AM:Does anyone else notice the literacy level here? I applaud folks for trying to express themselves, but my gosh, what a mess, trying to figure out what it is they are attempting to say. It's embarrassing to think that this is what we have to show for millions of tax dollars spent on educating folks! It remains to be seen whether or not the decision of the Vista City Council will amount to anything. They have made a half-hearted attempt by this recent action. We are a country of wimps, and Mayor Vance and his flock are a great example of our local elected officials' reluctance to stand up for the rule of law, even in a nation frantically treading the waters of political corruption to somehow preserve the sovereignty of the United States of America. Have another hit, Harry! What a waste of a human being.

Ron wrote on Jun 28, 2006 11:11 AM:I especially like the phrase: ..."the "whole thrust" of the ordinance was that it would protect workers from unscrupulous employers." Man, that's rich. Total sellout. Hey day labors!!!! LABOR READY IS ON MAIN STREET!!!! Need the address?

From Temecula, but... wrote on Jun 28, 2006 11:17 AM:For those who think that just because you are from a different city, you can't have an opinion about "Vista." I say to you...I used to live in Vista, I have family & friends in Vista and I occasionally work in Vista. So... I know about Vista, its politics and ILLEGAL population. We all have a stake in political decisions made by even the smallest of cities, especially when it comes to ILLEGAL immigration. Something needs to be done and the steps that the city of Vista has taken is a start. It not only helps those LEGAL day laborers but it may even help curb the hiring of ILLEGAL day laborers, among any other effects it may have on cleaning up the streets and parking lots where these day laborers congregate. On another note, how is Temecula the biggest racist city in So.Cal.? What an ignorant statement from an ignorant person.

ashamed of Vista wrote on Jun 28, 2006 11:20 AM:If any of you proud legals think for a second or two, you just might see the hate and racism peeking through all the phony 'We only dislike ILLEGALS' rhetoric. Every other sentence from you guys is a racial or cultural slam against Mexico and Hispanics in general. All this 'leechers' and 'disease-ridden' talk, the extended families in single houses, the junkers in the front yard. You guys just about flat-out say that you want an all-white world. I was born in Texas so listen up people. Mexicans are and always have been a major part of Texas and the Southwest. They were here before all of you guys. What this Republican-led tirade is becoming is out-and-out racism and prejudice. It's turning ugly out here.

Patrick wrote on Jun 28, 2006 11:42 AM:Supply and Demand.. you guys don't get it. We have a demand (employers willing to hire) and the supply (illegal workers). As long as there is a demand you will NEVER fix the illegal worker issue. Get a clue, prosecute employers and the supply will go away.

o2cool1 wrote on Jun 28, 2006 11:46 AM:You do realize that 11,000,000 people didn't cross the border overnight don't you.That's more than live in New Mexico and Arizona combined. Everyone knew what was going on and yet nothing outside of a token effort was done to stop it.Now all the sudden this has become the hot issue for this country.Well what's done is done,as you've been told from an early age no need to cry over spilt milk.I say let those that are here stay, provided they do not have criminal records in their country of origin and they are currently employed and lets get on with closing the border and assisting Mexico in becoming a country others won't want or have a need to leave.

Justin wrote on Jun 28, 2006 11:48 AM:There is nothing racist about not wanting the city I live in to look and operate like a third world country. If you want to live in an environment like that, move to Mexico. By the way, a Mexican can be a white person, a black person and all the shades in between. Ethnicity and Citizenship do not go hand in hand. And as far as trying to pull out the racist card (because you have nothing else to stand on), I am a white person in a relationship with a non white person. Does that mean I am racist against myself? You probably know better than I do, so please let me know! Have a nice day.

dario wrote on Jun 28, 2006 11:48 AM:my thing is this, yes SOME illegal immigrants commit crimes. but there is no way the majority does it.. youre talking about millions and millions of illegals. how can you say most of them or a big percentage of these people are doing these things.. yes they are breaking the laws by just being here. yes our people are known for sharing a house with a bunch of other families, not because they like to, but because they have no other choice.. remember they get paid minimum wage. im sorry but im one that thinks the real problem is the "AMERICAN" business owners hiring these people for cheap labor. if i was living in mexico, had no job, had no money and had a family to support, you bet i would jump or swim or do whatever it took to get to the land of opportunity where there is hope for a better life. any of you people who site behind your computer screens and say you would wait 5, 10 15, or whatever years to do it the right way are liars. dont blame the people blame the real problem.. we have money to throw away in iraq and get our troops killed but we dont have money to help our neighbors to the south to try and better their economic status. last but not least, just remember our history. dont ever forget where every single one of you so called americans came from. you fled your own country to search for a better life. killed off the indians. took africans from their land, enslaved them, killed them, raped their woman. took part of mexicos land by going to war after you tried to settle in their land known as texas. dont ever forget your past.. im honored to live here and to have been born here. but im glad i had nothing to do with any of that and i will never forget. makes these immigrants look like saints compared to the USA.

Tired of Illegals wrote on Jun 28, 2006 11:59 AM:Ashamed of Vista - go back to Texas!

John wrote on Jun 28, 2006 12:37 PM:If the 10 to 20 million illegals are allowed to stay another 50 million will come. Illegals have not only violated immigration laws they usually have committed identity theft, re-entered the U.S. after being deported (which is a felony), conspired with smugglers to enter the country and filed false tax documents. Many of these crimes are felonies. We don't need or want 20 million criminals or another 50 million to follow them.

Shauni wrote on Jun 28, 2006 12:47 PM:Actually, I am a single mother, caucasian, native-born Californian and a proud homeowner in Vista. I love my Hispanic neighbors; I love Mexican food; and I have spent many happy vacations on the beaches in Mexico. I was raised to believe that hate serves no one and I am appalled at the anger currently being directed at the Hispanic population . I am in favor of legal immigration and believe the true criminals are the employers who continue to break the laws already in place. I am neither a Republican or Democrat and do not vote party lines. I am not a Christian but I believe what Jesus said when he told us to love our neighbors. It saddens me to see our country returning to the racism of the last century and the misdirected anger against people who are here to make better lives for themselves and their families. As has been stated, it is supply and demand. Get out there and start digging your own ditches and cleaning your own toilets and stop soliciting businesses that hire illegal workers. Stop voting in representatives that sign bills for social services for non-citizens. It is sad and small to blame the powerless when the powerful are the ones at fault. And I keep hearing this is not a racial issue? BS! There are people in the US illegally of all races. You tell me if this is not a racist issue, why are all the angry posts referring to Mexico, tacos, hasta la vista, Mexicalifornia and the like. Quit fooling yourselves, you are racists. I stand by what I say. Much more can be accomplished by open minds and thoughtful process. We should all be striving for the higher ground, not descending into hatred. I promise you, this hate you are all putting out in the world will come back to haunt you later.

Tired of Illegals wrote on Jun 28, 2006 12:49 PM:You can do something! I call the POLICE everytime I see them drinking in public and urinating on our cars and I call the POLICE everytime they give me threatening looks, we don't have to live in fear, I sign whatever the POLICE bring and the POLICE haul them away! If you feel afraid call the POLICE on every illegal you see that you have a concern might do you harm. You will be surprised,they just start moving away from the neighborhoods!

To Vista John wrote on Jun 28, 2006 1:15 PM:When you say "please give these businesses back their parking lot" are you speaking to the Vista Citizen's Brigade because they really are the only ones who invade the parking lot in Vista. The day laborers are on the sidewalks. Which I always thought was public property. I hope the VCB's take your advice.

To it is not racial wrote on Jun 28, 2006 1:17 PM:The Mexican flag at the Del Mar fair was being flown because Mexico won a soccor match at the World Cup games. Please will someone explain to me why a Confederate flag was being flown at a City event in Temecula?

Vista resident wrote on Jun 28, 2006 1:18 PM:Elena, Vista needs more than prayer and heart transplant as a Christian women you know that unless there is REPENTANCE there will be no forgiveness. The mayor is a two faced Christian like most of Vista residents. They go to church on Sunday and beat their hearts and brag about the good they are doing when in reality they are stabbing their own God in the heart with their sins. I went to the Vista meeting last night and it was very planned orchestrated and manipulated by the city, sheriffs, Minutemen and Brigade or what ever they call themselves. Based on what my eyes witnessed no one will convince me that the city and sheriffs does not favor the Minutemen. They may find them amusing and more entertaining then a three ring circus. As an observer one can really see and feel them siding and connecting with this group. Channel 8 was very biased, their reporting focused on comments from people that lived in Orange County and the news reporter kept saying and reassuring people that it was not a racist ordinance.

To Justin wrote on Jun 28, 2006 1:23 PM:Do you want a medal because you are with a non white person? Are you bragging or complaining, my friend. As for playing the race card...perhaps these folks are playing the hand they were dealt and it just happens to be racism. If it makes you feel better to think this is not a race issue. Get a clue. This has racism written all over it. Did you happen to see the guy with a gas mask on and a sign that said: "immigrants = and he had a list of diseases. What in the heck was that ignorance about? RACISM IS ALIVE AND WELL AND SO ARE THE RACIST.

Escondido Resident wrote on Jun 28, 2006 1:23 PM:I want to know how I too can get rich like the illegals do. You go into any laundermat or see the signs posted on telephone booths, mailboxs, etc. offering a space on the floor in an apartment for $450.00 each mexican! I thought Escondido had a Code Enforcement Division but I was wrong! Where I live one Mexican comes in signs for an apartment and then sublets it out to 12 other Mexicans, after he makes his pesos he sells his lease out and moves on to buy 2 more apartments! Wake up City of Escondido before you find yourself involved in law suits the likes of which you haven't dreamed of yet! These apartments are dangerous to the citizens of Escondido as they breed crime and flith and we the Citizens are demanding you do something before its too late!!

To Dug wrote on Jun 28, 2006 1:30 PM:Your question is a very good one. The costs will be huge. First the City needs a clerk to register the employer, then file the paper work and give the employer his certificate. The big problem comes in when the Ordinance has to be enforced. Enforced? by Whom? The Sheriff's Dept? The City? Maybe Mayor Vance or the Vista Councilmembers will be down there enforcing it. Either way it is going to cost lots of money not to mention the attorney's fees for defending this ordinance. Again good question.

To o2cool1 wrote on Jun 28, 2006 1:33 PM:You are 2 cool. What is your idea for getting rid of the Mexicans?

Tired of Illegals wrote on Jun 28, 2006 1:36 PM:Just to clear the air, would someone please define the word racisim?

Peter wrote on Jun 28, 2006 1:38 PM:Thank You Vista - it's a small step in the right direction... with each small step, the larger issue becomes smaller and smaller and a solution is that much closer.

Just Asking wrote on Jun 28, 2006 1:42 PM:How is this Ordinance going to stop the Day Laborers from going to that parking lot? Does this Ordinance have a stipulation about where the registered employers can pick up the workers? Why all the excitement if the goal is to clear that parking lot of those men?

So Cal Native wrote on Jun 28, 2006 1:56 PM:Mexicans are here to stay period! They are on the brink of expanding into our congress and other political positions not to mention, corporate positions. You will all see soon enough or your children will see once they are in power position. This is what most of you are afraid of becoming the minority yourselfs. ITS AROUND THE CORNER! Let not forget the Indian is the true native who had there land stolen barbarically by European immigrants that were here illegally.

o2coo1 wrote on Jun 28, 2006 2:02 PM:It was an attempt to show hypocrisy in a humorous way.

To the Escondido Resident wrote on Jun 28, 2006 2:05 PM:Why don't you go to a City Council meeting and air your complaints. You are very funny though the lot of you are complaining because the Mexicans take, take and take, and you are complaining because in your mind they are rich. This whole thing is so damn confusing. Again, this is not the forum for your complaints about your City. We have our own problems in Vista, what with the lawsuits they are about see the likes of which they haven't dreamed of. Keep your Escondido issues to yourself we are not interested.

To Dan not as blind as you are wrote on Jun 28, 2006 2:21 PM:Please prove your allegations of the crimes you listed. Why do you say "illegal loving people" maybe they just love people. I think the immigrants nedds security from you not the other way around. Your comments show your true colors and your agenda. No you are wrong, so just admit it. From what I hear Temecula is doing a fine job of getting rid of the immigrants there I am sure you and your family are very safe.

Ahoward wrote on Jun 28, 2006 2:23 PM:RACIST OR NOT.. it DOESNT change the fact that these illegal aliens are leeching off a system they do not contribute to. How many times must it be said for you ignorant liberals to understand, that they pay NO TAXES and if they do its under an ILLEGALLY OBTAINED SSN! To make matters worse even if they could pay taxes most of them make so little money because of a complete lack of education they would get all their money back in refunds. They do not practice birth control.. thanks to their wonderful religion which forbids it.. forcing the rest of society to carry the financial burden of their endless supply of children. They use false names when they go to the hospital so while we take a hit on our credit for not paying a hospital bill they get a free ride. Stop justifying them as honorable.. they know what they are doing is illegal and parastic. As far as "Racism" which seems to be the catch word of the liberal zealot.. if you think we would be any different if these were white Canadians you are dead wrong.

To No Amnesty wrote on Jun 28, 2006 2:28 PM:Dream On.....Those children are actually not called "anchor babies" that term was made up by some crazy, neo-nazi, racist hate group. They are actually children who are protected under the 14th Amendment and who are actually Citizens of these United States so you should probably show some respect. Stop the hate they didn't write the Constitution.

To tired of illegals wrote on Jun 28, 2006 2:28 PM:Why are you NOT tired of your fellow patriotic Americans who hire illegal workers? Or you just a plain old racist?

To Ahoward wrote on Jun 28, 2006 2:33 PM:Oh don't kid yourself. If these people were white anything it would be different.

To Robert24 wrote on Jun 28, 2006 2:36 PM:Maybe you ought to read the 14th Amendment and really focus on the Equal Protection clause. Legal or illegal they are protected. So yes this Ordinance is UnConstitutional and there will be litigation so don't start celebrating or patting each other on the back just yet.

Robert24 wrote on Jun 28, 2006 2:43 PM:Pete Nice: You don't think we are paying $5 for an apple now? You say don't be stupid, but you need to wake up. I will pay $5 for an apple once I am done paying all of the other expenses that I am paying for the illegals to be here and suck my tax dollars. Ever heard of "uninsured motorist coverage?". What do you think that is for? BTW, it is a law to carry vehicle insurance, but many, if not all, illegals have none, so we pay this extra coverage to cover us against them. Ever go to the hospital/doctor and hear the receptionist ask an illegal if they have insurance? Guess who pays for them to get coverage, since we will not turn anyone away who needs medical attention here in America. How about standing in line at Von's and seeing the WIC coupons come out (and ever count the number of kids with the WIC mother?). Who do you think pays for them? C'mon, Pete, nap time is over, it's time to wake up. $5 for an apple would be a bargain if all of this other stuff was gone......

Lester wrote on Jun 28, 2006 3:06 PM:To Elena - my ancestors came here in 1640 at Jamestown, VA and I have all the documentation needed to prove it. While you are feeling sorry of the illegal non-citizens please refrain giving my money in in the form of taxes to support criminals. If you want to really help them put pressure on the Mexican Government to improve the living conditions in that country instead of sending their very poor up here to send money back south. Try to learn something about the money multiplier: Every dollar that goes south drains our money supply by five dollars. If everybody would just do as they are suppose to do things would be much better, but we have people like you that haven't the slightest idea of what is going on.

To Robert24 wrote on Jun 28, 2006 3:13 PM:How do you know the people at the doctor's office, or in line at Von's with all the children and the WIC coupons are illegals? Please don't tell me that you are assuming they are illegals because of the color of their skin? I carry uninsured motorist coverage on my car because last year a young kid took his mother's car without permission and they did not have coverage for him driving so guess what....I am still waiting for the payment from this nice white single mother for the actions irresponsible son. Please don't make try to make ridiculous arguments from your prejudices and stereotyping. Stick to the facts as they really are. I can at least respect your opinion if you do that.

Vista John wrote on Jun 28, 2006 3:16 PM:Typical conversation in Mexico: They sit at home over the dinner tables in Mexico...and laugh..."you mean you guys went there, got jobs, free medical care, bought cars and drove without licenses or insurance, free school for the kids, unemployment when you dont work....hey man, those gringo's are stupid man, let's go take advantage of them..." They are taking us for the biggest lot of fools in history.

14th Amendment wrote on Jun 28, 2006 3:22 PM:Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. Ok folks see if you can comprehende, you and your wife are visiting in Iraq, your wife has a baby, is your baby an Iraqi or an American? This will be the next question for our Government to hash out, just watch!

to Tired of illegals wrote on Jun 28, 2006 3:34 PM:Here you go here is the definition of racism. prejudice or animosity against people who belong to other races. A racist is one who practices racism. Perhaps the idea of not wanting illegals immigrants here is legitimate, some valid points are made. However, when it goes over the top and lies begin to fly and the name calling and tactics used by some that is what brings this issue into the racism realm. I am for secure borders, I am against illegal immigration not illegal immigrants. I think some of the comments on this forum do lean toward the racist side. Sorry you asked.

El Guero wrote on Jun 28, 2006 3:37 PM:To the moron who wrote this: 'Sounds like you have a problem with Escondido and the decisions they have made. You are an immigrant too, that is if you are not a Native American. Stop bitching about Escondido that is not the Vista residents problem. Who says the immigrants are a bargain, you are one and you certainly are not big prize.' Thanks for the compliment. I have a problem with illegal immigrants, and Mexicans in particular. They (you?) seem to demand so much from a people who don't like you and didn't invite you. So why should I stop bitching?

Samuel wrote on Jun 28, 2006 3:50 PM:I have read all the other statements from what people have written. There is a pattern between those who are against illegals, and those who are for illegals. Those who are against illegals are looking out for the benefit for this, so far, great country. Those who are for illegals, are (in their pebble sized minds) 100% right, and those who oppose their beliefs are Racists, and Followers of the anti-christ. You really have to get yourselves together into your we love illegals propaganda groups and come up with some actual good arguments. OK, why can't those who want to enter into the USA to work, do it legally. I know someone is going to have a "He's a racist or anti-christ" comment about this, but GET A RESIDENT CARD! Thats all you have to do. "To Robert24", read the 14th Amendment again. Oh wait, go read it the first time. It does not protect illegals, only citizens of the United States.

Dan(temecula) wrote on Jun 28, 2006 3:54 PM: To the commments about Temecula. Your wrong my friends. I for 1 lived in vista and grew up in Oceanside. I moved this way when I had a child for many reason's but I will not go into that because everyone seems to pick on my last comments. Sick of hearing the other side. Were is your statics? How about this one 2,100 illegal immigrants detained nation wide by ICE.(mostly latino) 3to 4 weeks ago for repeat sex offenders who came back after deportation. Where do you get off thinking Temecula is a racist city. If your so full of facts then why is there a big population of African american, Asian, mexican, AND YES ILLEGAL LATINO's. Now I will admit after reading my comment earlier I may have sounded in some, like a racist. My son is half mexican, I consider 2 full blooded latino childhood friends as my cousins. So my apoligies to those who have nothing else but to pin me as a racist. It is racist not to prosecute illegals. That being said I live in an apartment complex where(here's some facts for you)36% of Temecula's crime rate is commited right here. Once again I am the minority. (not racist the truth) And like someone else said this has been going on for years and all the sudden people want to make an issue of it. DUH DOOD! When they started to protest and wave their flags (were they ran from) and demand rights, and to show us how we could not live without, is when America said enough is enough. Everyone's opionion here counts, racist, incorrect,shoot even if your an illegal now a days, but lets not forget why. ARE SOLDIERS WHO HAVE LEFT THERE FAMILYS FOR LITTLE PAY, AND THERE LIVES, ARE VETS. WHERE IS MEXICO'S HELP IN THE WAR ON TERROR. Illegals help us in no way shape or form. It cost me a bundle every year just in taxes, and I'm sorry to say the school system is slowed down by non english speaking students. And I as a an American will never support any kind of illegal activity. Not racist just pissed off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

to Elena wrote on Jun 28, 2006 3:57 PM:What do you not understand about the word "illegal" Can I come into your house and you will feed me and my family and give us medical care? Why have laws if we only follow certain ones? As for the prayers I thought somewhere in the Bible it says about following the laws?? How far in history do we have to go back. Who cares who was here we can't go back and change history.

Dan (temecula) wrote on Jun 28, 2006 4:05 PM:One more thing I don't mean to clog this up any more than some of you may think I should. But some people here who are more intelligant than others including myself. May seem to think your opionion counts more than mine because I may not spell every word right, or my grammar and punctuation sucks but I grew up around all of this I know 1st hand what people in places like vista, escondido, oceanside, are going threw. My opinion leads me to believe that most supporters of illegals are school teachers. I'm not trying to downgrade your profession as I would not have the courage to do what you do, but if there were no illegals, alot of you would be out of jobs. Not to mention most of you have bleeding hearts for the unfortunate. I do to just not when you come here and protest, wave your flags around, and act if you have some rights.

La Tetona wrote on Jun 28, 2006 4:11 PM:Well it is about time!!!!

To tired of illegals wrote on Jun 28, 2006 4:16 PM:See the comment made by El Guero on June 28 at 3:37 p.m. that is the very definition of racism and he is a racist. I know he won't deny it because he seems to be proud of that fact. RACISM IS ALIVE AND WELL!!!! Go figure in the 21st Century one would think we would have progressed.

To Samuel from Carrie wrote on Jun 28, 2006 4:21 PM:So sorry Samuel but no where in the 14th Amendment does it say it only protects citizens of the United States. It actually says any PERSON. Are you trying to say that illegals are not persons? As far as your rude comments towards the people who do not think the same way you do your immaturity is evident. So I will not even respond to that only to pose one question which are you the racist or the anti-christ or are you both?

Escojuana wrote on Jun 28, 2006 4:22 PM:You know if I wasn't wanted in a country so much as the Mexicans are not wanted here in the U.S....I would just go home!! Go home and show us Americans how bad are lives will be without you!

Dan (temecula) wrote on Jun 28, 2006 4:26 PM: My apartments are full of illegals and mexicans who provide housing for illegals.

To Dan wrote on Jun 28, 2006 4:27 PM:Oh Dan you were doing so well for a moment there I was almost starting to believe you were some what of a nice guy then you blew it at 4:05. I am pissed off too. The one term that just disgusts me it the "bleeding heart" what does that mean. Do you not have blood running through your veins into your heart. Or did your blood dry up along with your compassion. Anyway thank you for your offer to stop clogging up this forum with your comments please do so.

Lorena wrote on Jun 28, 2006 4:29 PM:La Tetona means big breasts in a derogatory way in english. I find that offensive.

To Dan wrote on Jun 28, 2006 4:30 PM:Why don't you move then. Gosh stop complaining to us. WE DON'T CARE.

To escojuana wrote on Jun 28, 2006 4:33 PM:I am an American Citizen of Mexican descent can you please tell me why I am not wanted here in the U.S.? While you are at it can you please tell me where my home is if it is not in the United States?

Ron wrote on Jun 28, 2006 4:37 PM:You ought to come over to my side of Vista. Just the otherday, a guy with a large pole, with cotton candy stuck to it. You know, just like down at the border? Now, I thought, I wonder if this guy has a health card? I keep looking, maybe next week I'll see something else, I'll let you know.

CC wrote on Jun 28, 2006 4:40 PM:The people of Mexico are in the process of taking back their country. Elections this Sunday are leaning towards Obrador. Obrador says he does not want the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer in Mexico. He instituted a $70 per month pension in Mexico City as Mayor of Mexico City. Hopefully, Mexicans will not be cowed by scare tactics and will get this new leadership. What Americans really need is for Mexico to be fair to Mexicans. And, we need to take back our own government too. Our government is attempting to sell out the American worker by seeking to allow a huge jump in legal immigration in the McCain-Kennedy immigration bill. Some have estimated that there will be 100 million more LEGAL immigrants in 20 years under this bill. And, it allows a HUGE increase in H1B visas - which allows foreigners to come in and take our best jobs and drive down wages. Our government also does the American worker no favors when it negotiates trade laws that put our businesses and workers at a disadvantage. This is trade union busting tactics. This illegal immigration problem is not the immigrant's fault since they are apparently starving at home. It is a problem engineered by the super rich for the benefit of the super rich. Bush has not enforced our immigration laws by sanctioning employers and that is why we have illegal immigration - plain and simple. If we need cheap workers for our farms so that they won't go out of business - maybe we need to go back to how taxes were collected before the federal income tax started in the 1920's. Then we got our tax income from tariffs. Tariffs provide a huge protection to American business. We could protect our farms with tariffs. Then, an absence of below-minimum wage workers would no longer be a problem because Americans would buy produce from American farms.

CC wrote on Jun 28, 2006 4:43 PM:The people of Mexico are in the process of taking back their country. Elections this Sunday are leaning towards Obrador. Obrador says he does not want the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer in Mexico. He instituted a $70 per month pension in Mexico City as Mayor of Mexico City. Hopefully, Mexicans will not be cowed by scare tactics and will get this new leadership. What Americans really need is for Mexico to be fair to Mexicans. And, we need to take back our own government too. Our government is attempting to sell out the American worker by seeking to allow a huge jump in legal immigration in the McCain-Kennedy immigration bill. Some have estimated that there will be 100 million more LEGAL immigrants in 20 years under this bill. And, it allows a HUGE increase in H1B visas - which allows foreigners to come in and take our best jobs and drive