Day laborers not prevalent in San Marcos

By: TOM PFINGSTEN and BRENDA DURAN - Staff Writers | Friday, July 7, 2006 10:20 PM PDT

Day laborer Juan Manuel Torrez from Jalisco, Mexico waits for work on the corner of of Twin Oaks Valley Road and Buena Creek in San Marcos.
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SAN MARCOS ---- They wait on street corners until someone picks them up to work for the day ---- hence the tag "day laborers."

In Vista, those who hire them will soon be required to register with the city. In Fallbrook, a vacant lot where dozens once gathered every morning was fenced off by neighbors.

But in San Marcos, it seems that if the angst over day laborers had not occurred in nearby communities, no one would know who they are.

While the issue has spurred public debate in various parts of North County and prompted the controversial registration law in Vista, residents and officials in San Marcos have been relatively quiet about the subject.

There is only one location in the city where a significant number of day laborers gather to await work ---- at the corner of Twin Oaks Valley and Buena Creek roads, surrounded by fields and nurseries.

On Thursday morning, more than 15 day laborers waited there, some huddled near the corner flower stand called "Xochitl's Flowers," others sitting outside of Twin Oaks Market Wine and Liquor Mart.

Juan Manuel Torres said he has been coming to the site for two years to look for work. He said at least five of the men who gather outside the small roadside market in hope of being hired live in a migrant camp near Palomar Mountain.

Torres said he likes the San Marcos site because it has not been targeted by the anti-illegal immigration Minutemen, and it is the only place he has been able to get a steady flow of work without any hassles.

However, since debate in Congress over illegal immigration spurred student protests this spring, Torres, who is undocumented, said there has been a significant drop in the number of employers who come by.

"I only get work twice a week if I am lucky," said Torres in Spanish.

Watching how law plays out in Vista


On June 27, the Vista City Council approved an ordinance that will require employers who hire day laborers to display a registration certificate in their car window and present written terms of employment to those they pick up for the day. The new law takes effect July 28.

City Council members in San Marcos say they are watching how the situation plays out in Vista.

In San Marcos, there are no laws or codes that apply to day laborers, City Manager Rick Gittings said Thursday.

"The only thing that would come remotely close would be a no-solicitation policy, but as far as I know, there have not been any day laborers knocking on people's doors looking for work," Gittings said.

Officials say day laborers are not an issue in this rapidly growing city of 77,000, but seem to be taking notes about how Vista reacts to its new law in case the volatile subject draws scrutiny and calls for action in San Marcos.

"I don't know that we're going to have to act on it anytime soon," said San Marcos Councilman Jim Desmond, adding that the Twin Oaks Valley day laborer site is the only one he knows of. "I'd like to see how it plays out in Vista. If we start getting complaints, we'll have to look into it a little bit closer, but it doesn't seem to be such an urgent issue in San Marcos."

Whether protests and turmoil over day laborers will ever hit San Marcos as they have Vista is anyone's guess.

"It's difficult to predict, but at this point we've not had any indication that it's a burning issue in the minds of San Marcos residents," Gittings said, adding that he sees no need for the City Council to address it.

That there is only one day laborer site in the city is a bit of a riddle, and is also the most likely reason day laborers have not made headlines in San Marcos.

Desmond said the Twin Oaks Valley Road site has probably kept a low profile because of its location ---- close to agricultural jobs, yet isolated from most city dwellers.

"There's a lot of agriculture and nurseries that may have a use for the day laborers, and it hasn't been that much of an issue for the city residents," Desmond said. "If they took up a location on San Marcos Boulevard, it might become more of an issue."

Arcela Nunez, director of the National Latino Research Center at Cal State San Marcos, said that San Marcos is not as populous as other nearby cities with large Latino populations, but that residents and businesses here still hire day laborers.

"We tend to be a passageway, not necessarily a congregation site," she said of the city, nestled between Escondido and Vista with only one agricultural region ---- Twin Oaks Valley. "I think that (San Marcos) residents who draw on the help of day laborers probably go seek them in other cities, knowing where they congregate."

Gerardo Gonzalez, a faculty member at the university and former director of the Latino research center, suggested that establishing a day laborer hiring center may eventually be a good idea.

"I think there's evidence that these centers could be helpful to address employment needs in an organized, coordinated way," said Gonzalez. "It seems to be working in other parts of North County."

At the site off Twin Oaks Valley Road, day laborer Pedro Hernandez, who came from Oaxaca two years ago, said the new law in Vista will only contribute to the decrease in work and will not prove successful in the end.

"It's impossible," said Hernandez. "How are they going to register people who only work one or two days?"

Hernandez said he believes anti-immigration sentiment is behind the drop in work in the area and that the new law in Vista will only make it worse.

"It's getting very difficult," said Hernandez, as he waited for work Thursday morning. "These are hard times."

Contact staff writer Tom Pfingsten at (760) 761-4414 or tpfingsten@nctimes.com. Contact staff writer Brenda Duran at (760) 761-4408 or bduran@nctimes.com.

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Put them: wrote on Jul 8, 2006 5:25 AM:In JAIL!

Tom wrote on Jul 8, 2006 5:44 AM:Hiring halls for day laborers are not a good thing. There is a federal law that prohibits federal agents from checking the legality of workers in church related hiring halls. And the taxpaying citizens should not be burdened with paying for city supported hiring halls that are used by illegal aliens. Illegal aliens should return to their home countries and work to improve their conditions there. Due to NAFTA and CAFTA competition from multinational corporations have reduced the number of subsistence farmers in Mexico and Central America, thus they come here for work. The next disaster will be the CFR and SPP designed open borders North American Union coming in 2010, where Mexico, Canada and the USA are joined like the EU. Not good. Look at wwww.eagleforum.org for details on SPP and the North American Union.

This is sickening! wrote on Jul 8, 2006 5:52 AM:This criminal sits there in broad day light and does not even fear that he goings to jail or get picked up! Presiednt Bush why aren't you doing something. Arnold what are you doing? Nothing! Hey all Americans for the enforement of American laws, vote Democrat! Get these two chuckleheads out of their executive offices!

Conservative wrote on Jul 8, 2006 6:24 AM:Some of the language in this article should be clarified. Here are a couple translations: Undocumented or undocumented worker, this means: illegal, the person is called an illegal, it means a person who has entered the United States illegally and likely also committed identify theft and violated numerous tax laws among other crimes, some of them potential felonies. Anti-immigration, this means: Anti-illegal or anti-illegal immigration. Immigration has essentially nothing to do with the current controversy and the use of the term is misleading. It insults the millions of people who have entered and continue to enter the United States legally. Millions of people are entering the United States illegally, essentially they are invaders. They break numerous laws, lower wages by as much as a trillion dollars per year and cost taxpayers billions of dollars. The controversy is whether these invaders should be allowed to stay in the United States and be rewarded for their crimes as proposed by President Bush and the United States Senate, or should the invasion should be stopped and the criminals already in the Country be returned to their home counties as proposed by the United States House of Representatives and supported by a vast majority of legal United States Citizens.

Robert24 wrote on Jul 8, 2006 7:23 AM:"In San Marcos, there are no laws or codes that apply to day laborers, City Manager Rick Gittings said on Thursday". Torres, who is undocumented, per the article, and is a day laborer, is ILLEGAL Mr. Giddings! Is there a law against that? That is like me trying to fight a speeding ticket by saying there is no law against my wheels rolling, but ignoring the speed. You guys drive me crazy with all of your politically correct speak, always afraid to make a stand and enforce the law. How about loitering? Is there a law against that? How can an intelligent person make statements as ridiculous as this? Good luck, San Marcos. I certainly hope that your City wakes up and doesn't become another Escondido with your weak back boned City Council making statements such as this.

Ray wrote on Jul 8, 2006 8:02 AM:Want to know why? Because they all ride their bikes or walk to Vista.

Ron wrote on Jul 8, 2006 8:35 AM:If the law in Vista goes through, next, they'll be asking to be bussed in.

kc wrote on Jul 8, 2006 9:21 AM:Not all of the migrants looking for work are undocumented and it is not a crime to want work. If someone wants to hire one all they have to do is ask for papers. Being a migrant worker is not a crime, not having the proper docs is.

wake up wrote on Jul 8, 2006 9:33 AM:Come on city council, wake up! Don't just turn a blind eye to this. Vista has the right idea. I would check out Chico's Restaurant on San Marcos Blvd. and I am sure you will find a lot of illegals there waiting for work. Rick, you picked a perfect time to retire so that you won't have to address this issue.

Mark wrote on Jul 8, 2006 9:46 AM:Anyone thought about picking up a few to do some drywall work.....tell em you need to buy some drywall...head to the home depot in ensenada....and leave them in the parking lot!!!!

CS wrote on Jul 8, 2006 10:09 AM:If we know where the ILLEGALS hang out every morning, why don't they get a bus, pick them all up and bring them back to Mexico!

ICE wrote on Jul 8, 2006 10:31 AM:How about we cut a small percentage of budget from The Defense Department and use that money to boost the ICE budget. Then we could have a system where anyone could call an 800# and get ICE to respond to any instance of illegal hiring, be it on the street corner, a job site or at the offices of a multi million dollar corporation? Back this up with REAL PROSECUTION OF EMPLOYERS of all stripes [large and small] with real fines $1,000 per day per employee. Then we will see our this problem take care of itself .....

Terry wrote on Jul 8, 2006 10:40 AM:All except Native Americans are recent immigrants to North America, and even indigenous people appear to have immigrated here 10,000-20,000 years ago. Are you sure that all YOUR ancestors came here LEGALLY? Some of them were shipped here as criminals. Many came here as indentured servants and fled their contracts before they were finished, ILLEGALLY. Was it LEGAL for European royalty to take almost all the land of the native peoples and hand it out? How many "Americans" moving west broke Indian treaties and simply claimed land by homesteading--a lot of your ancestors did that! (Read your U.S. history!) And haven't ANY of you figured out that most of the people you keep calling "ILLEGALS" (as if they weren't people, by the way) are mostly of Native American ancestry? So we haven't quite finished our war on Native Americans, have we?

AlegalAlien wrote on Jul 8, 2006 10:49 AM:San Marcos residents are lucky that they don't have illegals knocking on their front doors looking for work yet. Living in Escondido, it happens all of the time! I actually had a man who spoke no English peering in my living room window! Thankfully, my neighbor saw him and called the police. He was illegal, had no identification and said he was just looking for work! At least Vista is trying to do something about the illegal day laborers, Escondido panders to them. And, why does the NCT refer to them as "Undocumented" they are law breakers, ILLEGAL. It is a slap in the face to every LEGAL alien who played by the rules and followed the laws!

FreeRide from SM wrote on Jul 8, 2006 2:28 PM:I give them free rides on my way to Escondido from San Marcos. I tell them (illegals & homeless) that they are loved in Escondido and there are many programs available to them there...Thanks Escondido for keeping San Marcos clean.

Getting the message wrote on Jul 8, 2006 5:12 PM: Its about time Day Laborers and Illegal immigrant Activist, You getting the message. You are losing your fight. We don't need Day Laborers. When they are taken away from us to use as modern day slaves, we hire High school kids and college kids. We lived with out the once we will live without them again!

Blame Mexico wrote on Jul 8, 2006 5:15 PM:Blame Mexico for Obesity. Its all Mexico's fault we are all over weight. We need to mow our own law, watch our own kids, wash are own cars. Maybe we can even grow our own tomatoes.

Drilldeep wrote on Jul 8, 2006 5:27 PM:Escondido Mayor Lori Holt Pfeiler has literally and single handedly destroyed...ruined Escondido for all the law abiding people. Pfeiler is as soft of illegal aliens as they come and she does everything w/i her powers to make Escondido a sanctuary city for all their criminal activity. She needs to be voted out.

responce to drilldeep wrote on Jul 8, 2006 5:55 PM:Glad you feel that way. Now Take that energy and do something about it. We all will support you!!!!

Robert24 wrote on Jul 8, 2006 6:49 PM:Time to wake up and get in to this century, Terry. The past is over. Is your Mommy still wiping your butt, too, or have you grown up enough to do that yourself? This is today, and there is a problem. Just as I assume you are able to go potty for yourself, we need to address this very real problem. Illegal is illegal. Pretty easy, in fact, even a 3rd grader can probably understand that. Once folks like you and our elected officials understand this we'll all be better off.

HaHa! wrote on Jul 9, 2006 9:19 AM:In response to "free ride from SM"...that is hilarious! I think it's helping, keep up the good work! :)

Terry wrote on Jul 9, 2006 9:20 PM:Robert24--You can't live the present if you don't understand the past. It's ignorant, no-nothing, racist people like you that are tearing this country down--not people who like your ancestors and mine--came here to work and contribute to this nation. Just read this sorry collection of letters and you can see that 95% of the comments are based on hate, ignorance and fear. We have seen this SO many times in our history. The REAL problem TODAY is that we taxpayers are being forced to spend $1 trillion on Iraq (which, unlike Afghanistan, never attacked us and wasn't, pre-war, hosting Al-Qaeda) when if we had spent 20% of that sum here in the US and working with our neighboring countries to create more economic opportunities we could stop a lot of the illegal immigration. Your pal W has never had his priorities in order, has led us completely in the wrong direction based on complete lies--now THAT'S a PROBLEM TODAY!

Here's a start wrote on Jul 11, 2006 8:03 AM:Make it illegal to "press 1 for english". There should be fines for companies who offer spanish as an option. I thought english was our language in the USA. Bills and other statements from telephone and electric companies should be priinted in english only also. Learn the language julio.

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