Letters to the Editor - 7/24/2006
By: North County Times Readers - | ∞
Irresponsible photo
Printing the photo of a person cooling off in a refrigerator seems irresponsible and dangerous (Back Page, July 19). That could be a deadly suggestion to a child, who could panic and not be able to get out.
JANE FLAMMANG
Encinitas
Definition of a terrorist
I thought Gwynne Dyer's July 9 article on terrorism was very enlightening ("Nelson Mandela, the terrorist"). Dyer says that even the saintly Mandela ññ who, in spite of spending 27 years in prison, became the leader of his people against apartheid in Africa ññ was seen as a terrorist.
George Washington wanted change and was labeled a terrorist by the British.
Likewise, Spartacus and his slave army revolted against Rome. China's Mao Tse Tung was a guerrilla fighter. North Vietnam defeated us with guerrilla tactics. Finally, in Iraq and Afghanistan, the guerrilla fighters have extended the war for over three years.
Dyer further discusses the impact of the global war on terrorism: "Rational discussion of why so many Arabs are willing to die in order to hurt the United States is suppressed by treating it as a support for terrorism. This causes the whole phenomenon to be seen by most people as irrational and inexplicable."
Only by closely studying the history of the region and its people can we understand the Arab mentality. Then we will know how, when and why we got ourselves into this mess. Once we understand that, we'll more clearly understand what we have to do to extricate ourselves.
JOHN NARANJO
Oceanside
Together, America can do better
I have seen days when America was at peace, and we Americans did not harbor fear of attack and invasion. I have seen days when we Americans could travel overseas and be treated with respect for no other reason than that we were Americans. I have seen days when Americans had good-paying jobs and had hope that tomorrow we could forge ahead and have an even brighter economic future. I have seen days when Americans had the hope that we could work hard to raise and educate our children, knowing in our hearts our children would have a better life, better health care and a better world than we had.
I have seen days when we trusted our leaders, believed they had honest advisers and were taking our country in the right direction. I have seen days when we believed in tolerance, justice and human dignity. I know such an America is possible, because I have seen it. I believe we can rekindle new hope, generate a new will and choose wise new leaders who will bring America back together again.
I know in my heart that together, America can and must do better.
J. HOWARD CREWS
Fallbrook
Recognizing the good that is happening
I've subscribed to the North County Times for a lot of years. I read it from front to back. I'm writing in regard to the front page. I'm well aware of the war going on, but too many times we see only the bad that is happening. Well, I wish to change that for one day.
On June 29 I attended a retirement ceremony for a good friend by the name of Master Gunnery Sgt. Ralph Medina. The gentleman retired after 30 years of military service with the United States Marine Corps. It was an honor to be a part of it. We do not recognize the good that happens such as that enough. It was a ceremony I will remember for a long time to come. I wish him and his family many more good years together. God bless.
BEATRICE CHARLOTTE SCHWOCK
San Marcos
Letter writer does have a point
In response to Marianna Settles (Letters, July 2), while I stand by my statement that the speeding analogy is flawed, I really can't argue the fact that people get away with it most of the time (except, of course, when it's you who screws up). I also can#'t argue with the fact that if people can get away with breaking the law, they will. The point I was trying to make was the difference between the two on the chance that the lawbreaker was caught.
As for this quote from the aforementioned letter, "If no one would break the law by hiring those desperate people, they would not come. Maybe we should go after all those people who do the hiring and get them to pay our share of that extra tax money. They are the ones to blame," I am in complete agreement. In fact, if she would refer to my April 14 Community Forum, "Facts missing from rally coverage," found at nctimes.com/articles/2006/04/14/opinion/commentary/19_07_384_13_06.txt, I suggested something along those lines in that piece.
VICTOR CHABALA
Oceanside
Liberals jealous of the wealthy
This is in reply to Elyse Boozer's letter of July 17. Where does she get her information? I am one of the 70 percent who is in favor of abolishing the estate tax.
First, it is double taxation and unconstitutional. But, most of all, these are the people who build this country, and who are the employers and donors of billions of dollars to charities and organizations such as the YMCA. Without them, we would be greatly taxed to pick up the bill.
Ms. Boozer, and all liberals, stop your jealousy and hatred and thank God we have people with the intelligence and talent to amass such fortunes. Remember, wealth brings tremendous responsibility ññ more than I care to be burdened with.
BETTIE HELDRING
Escondido
Israel shows its arrogance?
I simply disagree with Mr. William Dreu of Vista (Letters, July 18). What arrogance? The state of Israel was created in a peaceful and legal process. The U.N. mandated the creation of two states ññ the state of Israel and another state for the Arabs. The Arabs rejected their state and launched a war against Israel.
From 1949 to 1954, 800,000 Jews were forced to leave Arab lands. This was a loss of $2.5 billion in property.
In August 2005, Israel unilaterally withdrew from the Gaza strip, and removed all Israeli settlements.
In 1977 Zahir Muhse'in stated the creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against Israel.
RICHARD HAYES
Oceanside
Bilbray represents oil companies
In the July 16 article by Edward Sifuentes, Brian Bilbray says he voted for offshore drilling because it shifts the decision to local control. But this bill actually makes it easier for oil companies to obtain drilling rights, including removing existing requirements for environmental review, limiting public participation in specifically where and how to drill, making it more difficult for states that want to bar drilling and reducing royalty charges to oil companies.
The bill also limits the ability of the federal government and states to take action under any law that would interfere with oil drilling. Accepting Bilbray's spin on his positions does not give voters the real facts ññ that Bilbray continues to represent the oil companies over his constituents in the 50th District.
VALERIE CHERESKIN
Encinitas
No T-shirts for illegals
I believe that since the federal government is not doing enough to curb illegal immigration, the city of Escondido needs to take direct municipal legislative action. I believe it is a waste of time to petition our federal legislators when, instead, Escondido could pass a local ordinance. I am proposing that the City Council adopt a municipal code requiring all T-shirt vendors to verify the immigration status of their customers before selling them a T-shirt.
This proposal has considerable positive aspects. Illegal immigrants walking around without any T-shirt on would be a dead giveaway to Customs officials.
Bare-chested illegal immigrants would not be allowed in any grocery stores or restaurants. Soon Escondido would be free of these pesky people without T-shirts. The resultant drop in population would reduce school crowding, traffic congestion and housing costs.
No T-shirts for illegals!
RICK PAUL
Escondido
Pandering politicians are criminal enablers
The raging illegal immigration firestorm that is sweeping over our communities and nation has many negative facets, from rampant crime to massive overcrowding in our neighborhoods, hospitals and schools. Most local pandering politicians are criminal enablers and are part of this problem.
Mayor Morris Vance of Vista and Mayor Lori Holt Pfeiler of Escondido are two of the worst. Both communities have serious welfare and safety issues because these mayors have intentionally fostered a hands-off, sanctuary policy toward the thousands of illegals in their communities and have created a climate where gangs, anarchy and violence are rapidly escalating and going unchecked.
Escondido City Councilwoman Marie Waldron recently showed a lot of courage and leadership in suggesting that landlords and businesses be sanctioned for knowingly accepting illegal aliens for business. This trend is sweeping the nation as well and speaks to another dirty secret. That of large-scale squatting in many of our community canyons by huge numbers of illegal immigrants.
Wake up! We're being invaded and colonized. We need new, bold leaders to combat this invasion.
SAUL LISAUSKAS
founder
Encinitas Citizen Brigade
Cherry-picking history
In his letter of July 16, Robert Green of Escondido correctly asserts that the British did not have the legal authority to establish a Jewish state. It is, however, getting increasingly difficult to know from whence legal authority is derived.
The Balfour declaration was accepted by the Zionists as being, somehow, an enforceable promise. Of course that was wishful thinking on their part, but subsequent events appear to have validated their optimism.
The question of whether the Jews have a right to a homeland, whether Israel has a right to exist, especially in roughly its present location, is not likely to be settled soon ññ if at all ññ by rational discussion. The matter that most inhibits rationality is the point in history from which discussion is to proceed. The problem is not about rewriting history, but rather about cherry-picking it.
DAVID HORWITZ
Vista
What's destroying the U.S.A.?
President Bush's mistakes pale in comparison to what is really happening in our country today. Allow me to name a few: 1. The media, for reporting all of the White House's mistakes, and ignoring the fact that their disclosure of anti-terrorism measures have hurt this country's ability to fight terror groups.
2. The unions, which are bleeding businesses dry with their useless demands.
3. The illegal immigrants, who need to enter the country the legal way and not cut in line.
Remember the India bombings, the terrorists' plots in Canada and in the N.Y. subway? There is a real war going on here!
GARY KUEBITZ
Poway
All (humans) guaranteed basic rights
The inmates at Guantanamo are not "guaranteed basic rights" (Nadine Scott letter, July 5), they are sub-humans, brainwashed by the Imams of Islam to kill anyone not already brainwashed by Islam. They are not uniformed members of anything, and they are certainly not signatories to the Geneva Conventions (which they reject outright by their atrocities).
And they are certainly not imbued with any "inalienable rights" by the founders and framers of our Constitution, which these subhumans and their Imam-brainwashed cohorts are trying so desperately to overthrow (both our government and Constitution). That is nothing short of treason, Ms. Scott, and for which both you and I know our founders and framers would have had them taken out and shot on the spot. For sure they would not have given them the courtesies and comforts of Club Gitmo.
So the majority of our Supreme Court has just overstepped their bounds by misconstruing our Constitution and conferring U.S. citizenship rights on a group of noncitizen animals whose allegiance is to Islamofacism (Islam), whose main stated goal is the overthrow of the government of the United States.
NEIL TURNER
Carlsbad
If you can't pay, you can't play
I never really gave a hoot one way or the other about the Oceanside airport. That is until I began watching the parade of crybabies at the City Council meeting last week. A gentleman should not attempt to own anything he cannot afford to properly maintain, whether it is a wife, a car, a horse, a dog or an airplane.
I notice Leon Page conveniently left out the $450,000 in airport arrears cited by Councilwoman Esther Sanchez ("Airport's failure is the council's failure," July 18).
Obviously he doesn't like what is going on. Too bad. I am not exactly bound at the hip to any of them, but I voted for all five of them at one time or other, and there are now three of them that I agree with most of the time. They are doing what I had hoped they would do on every important issue that comes up. This to me is a wonderful experience. It is not often that politicians win elections and actually do what you hoped they would do when you voted for them.
Those pikers who are complaining about the increases in costs at the airport should either sell their planes to a man who can afford to properly own and operate one, or pay through the nose for all the care and comfort their frivolous possession requires. Just as I do with my frivolous Mercedes-Benz.
JOE ELLIS
Oceanside
Bush needs our prayers
We appreciate greatly the writers saying they pray for this country and its leaders. And there's no need to chastise Democrats who also do, and who speak out for what needs prayer in the first place. I don't recall a White House ever needing more prayer, surrounded by false claims from Cheney, world-dominating neocons, swift boat distorters and a double-meaning secretary.
Indeed, Rice said the Israel conflict "has nothing to do with our invading Iraq," but then one minute later said, "Hezbollah Shiite are desperate to attack because our noble effort spreading democracy in the Middle East scares them." This internal contradiction proves it isn't noble.
Please understand that God doesn't force himself on anyone, and neither should we. Helping those who ask for democracy, great, but forcing democracy on civilizations was never our right. Some Shiite asked for help deposing Hussein, but when did that include forcing Middle East democracies and also equipping an anti-Semitic, pro-Iran, Shiite Iraq military? Building up a foreign military is anti-Washingtonian.
Democracy isn't a sure cure-all for terror, jihad cults or cancer. For example, Hamas was elected.
RICHARD
SAUERHEBER
San Marcos
Immigration not the only important issue
It seems as if the most debated topic recently is illegal immigration. The Opinion section of this newspaper is flooded with letters arguing whether we should grant amnesty to those who came here without green cards or deport them, and everywhere I go I see people debating about what should be done. I can't help but wonder why so many people pay attention to such a trivial topic.
It seems as if everyone has forgotten about the war in Iraq, global warming, the AIDS epidemic in Africa and poverty in our own country, and drawn all their focus to illegal immigration. When you compare this issue with many other potentially catastrophic and vital issues, whining about foreigners sneaking into the country and working for next-to-nothing seems juvenile. Maybe the government spends billions of dollars on health care and education to illegal aliens, yet doesn't the government also spend billions on a meaningless war?
Illegal immigration is a controversial topic, but there are many more pressing issues to debate over.
James Regan
Chaparral High School
Students should take opportunities to pass the exam
The California High School Exit Exam was required for the class of 2006 to graduate high school across California. The exam is based upon eighth-grade math and algebra along with 10th-grade English.
I believe that passing the exam should be a requirement for all high school students because it shows a background of knowledge that the student has acquired throughout their education. To have the opportunity to pass the exam up 'til their senior year is a gift, and a majority of students have taken it for granted.
As a senior this last year at Temecula Valley High School, the fear of not receiving my diploma was out of the question because I passed the exam when I was a sophomore. I believe that the requirements for the exam are basic education and that if students cannot pass, they should not be able to walk and receive their diploma for completion of high school.
In comparison, students with disabilities such as not being able to understand the test or those who have learning disabilities have a complete disadvantage when it comes to passing the exam. A majority of students can't comprehend English and this leaves them at risk. A simple suggestion would be to receive help by any means necessary to pass the exam.
Michael Bacarella
Temecula Valley High School
District should really consider recycling plan
During these years at my cherished alma mater, I began to realize the immense amount of litter disseminated around campus. Unlike rival schools in our area, Temecula Valley High School does not have a recycling program. The mere fact that our school has 15 soda machines but no recycling bins is an environmental disaster. Along with three other students, we have decided to establish a recycling program at our school in order to make a difference on our campus. This program will not only help our environment but also cause a reduction in the school's trash bill. Our main goal is to create a better learning environment for the students and help the environment along the way.
Also, I hope that this new program may inspire the school district to adopt a mandatory environmental awareness policy that will encourage recycling in young people throughout the area.
Mailaine Patton
Temecula Valley High School
City needs to inform residents of construction
Recently, there has been an increased amount of road construction on Highway 79 South. Construction takes place on certain days and certain times at various locations. This makes it extremely difficult for motorists to get to their destination on time.
I live in the Redhawk community and work across town. Traffic is so bad that it can take up to 30 minutes just to get to my job. A situation like this one can be very costly with the increase in gas prices. Construction causes stop-and-go traffic and this wastes a substantial amount of fuel.
I believe that if residents and motorists in this area were informed about the construction schedule, it would save a number of people a lot of trouble, time and gas.
Fred Reyes
Temecula Valley High School
Web Comments
Vista files response to restraining order application
Readers respond to our July 22 story about the city of Vista's legal team saying that the federal court should deny the temporary restraining order requested this week by two organizations seeking to block enforcement of the city's new day-labor hiring law.
Fair practice
AC: "The TRO should fail, the city should be able to regulate 'street hiring' practices within its borders. Employers have used 'casual help' categories for years -- where does this fall into the scheme of things? If the employers need access to these workers, the employers should set up a legitimate hiring center, just like every other industry in America. Kids with 'lemonade stands' get in trouble but day laborers can stand around anywhere and pander their services? I wonder how many Romanian, Greek, French and Russian day laborers are in those ranks? All from one culture doesn't seem fair, does it?"
Reflects on U.S.
Mark:"If a city can't make and enforce their own laws here then what does that say for the United States as a country? That any cry baby can come along and sue or get a restraining order against someone is ridiculous. Vista, I respect what you are trying to do."
No truck target
Tom: "Hooray for the ACLU and the CRLA! I am a contractor and since I don't feel like hiring 'lazy' (you know who you are) Americans; my business is first so I can feed my family and put food on their table. I mean, who are you kidding? Like I am gonna post a permit on my brand new truck and let the whole racist city of Vista vandalize my vehicle?"
Smoke screens
This Is A Nothing Law: "This so called regulation does nothing to control the problem of illegals & day laborers. It only registers the people who hire them. It's a big dog with no teeth that the city hopes will distract you all long enough to forget about the real issue at hand."
New name for ACLU
El Guero: "The ACLU sometimes has taken courageous stands protecting the civil rights of American citizens, but challenging Vista's day-labor hiring ordinance is not one of them. I see them as actually infringing on the rights of Americans by adopting the cause and advancing the interests of foreign nationals who, in most cases, have broken U.S. laws by entering and residing in the country illegally. Perhaps it should consider changing its name to the un-American Civil Liberties Union."
Unpaid recount fee: no recount for 50th
Readers respond to our July 22 story about voter Barbara Jacobson's request for a recount of the June 6 special election ballots from the 50th Congressional District being halted because the woman requesting the recount did not pay a required fee.
Cough it up
typical: "Like most Dems, whiner Barbara Jacobson fails to put her money where her big mouth is..."
All costs more in SD
Guiseppi: "Can anyone explain why the SD County Registrar of voters arbitrarily set the price of $1.00+ for each vote recounted, but Orange counted charged on $0.14? There is something fishy about this. After all, Orange County is a higher wage area than SD. I think he is stonewalling. He will be hearing lots more about the sloppy way he is running the election process. INTEGRITY in government guarantees our liberties."
What's next
Ron: "Oh, but this is not over yet. She will find at least one judge to say her civil rights were being violated, because she is simply to poor to pay for the recount. The judge will say: It's the cost of good government and fairness, that she be 'entitled' to a recount, and the Registrar of Voters will do the recount, at county expense; the Registrar of Voter's requirement that she, a poor citizen, be required to pay 'a fee' to cover the additional cost, it's not fair to her as a person, regardless of economic status, and in fact is the same as a poll tax, thereby, violating her rights as a voter."
Protesters converge again in Vista
Readers respond to our July 22 story about city employees visiting a popular hiring site to inform people about a new Vista law that would regulate the hiring of day laborers while activists on both sides of the issue protested at the same site, including Claudia Smith, a day labor advocate.
Is it November yet?
vistaresident: "INTERESTING city -- they are protecting illegal immigrants and yet they can stoop to any means to stop a new business from coming in just because they don't like some of their products. These city employees need to educate themselves. I can't wait until election day."
Signs are pointless
Miguel: "The signs [provided by Smith] have nothing to do with the ordinance -- Claudia is such a politician. Nobody is limiting the day laborers, they are regulations on the employers. If this inconveniences the laborers but begins to preclude the illegals from working, it will be fruitful for all concerned. Again, it is a fight to control illegal immigration, not legitimate actions."
Thanks, Claudia
Jeanine: "If the signs were not in English some would not be happy with that. The fact that Claudia explained what the signs said and meant was positive."
For lawbreakers
Angry: "Minutemen, get those illegals out of here! And Claudia Smith, you should be ashamed of yourself. Why are you an proponent of illegal immigration? You know it's against the law to be here illegally, don't you? So why do you want people to break our laws?"
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Pilot Victim wrote on Jul 23, 2006 9:42 PM:The city of Oceanside is a slum landlord. It insists on raising the rent on the pilot tenants for substandard, shack-hangars. This is blaming the victims. Just like the proverbial slum landlords, the tenants are the "problem." No matter how much the tenants complain, the grubby slum landlord continues to ignore their complaints unless the law intervenes. The city slum landlord refuses to make the needed repairs and\or the replacement of these shack-hangars. Sanchez, Wood and Mackin are the slum landlords.
Ron wrote on Jul 23, 2006 9:54 PM:JOHN NARANJO their behavior is irrational and inexplicable. You know, there is nothing wrong with being educated, and psychology is a fine, and comendable science, but. A little common sense here, please. Did these guys murder their own people? Then they are murderers. Have they murdered innocent non-combatants? Then they are terrorists. Motive in any murder is always an interesting part of a criminal case, but it is the act, and not the reason, that concerns us. I think we all understand they hate us. Class dismissed.
Ron wrote on Jul 23, 2006 9:58 PM:And thank you J. HOWARD CREWS for your talking points from the DNC. Can you please give us the web site where you copied all that drival. Try it, Goggle: "Together, America can do better" See where it takes you, and how close Mr. Crews version is to the original.
People Vs Sanchez wrote on Jul 23, 2006 10:00 PM:Letter writer Ellis and his leter about the Oceanside Airport isn't logical and ignores the obvious and that Sanchez fail to see when she voted to increase the rents.Because of Councilwoman Sanchez,the city had already lost some $$$150,000 in federal grant money that would have been used to upgrade the airport!(Free Money)
Ron wrote on Jul 23, 2006 10:13 PM:Thank you BETTIE HELDRING for reminding us all, that with great wealth, comes great responsibility. This was born out recently when Mr. Buffet gave 30 billion of his personal wealth to the Gates Foundation. Again, when Vice President Cheney gave nearly 70% of his income last year to charities, per his tax forms filed this year. Carnegie, Nobel, and many others have given very generously over the years. The erroneous idea, and lies told about many wealthy people simply are not true. But, the Democrats will again break out the old playbook again this year. I got news for them, that dog is tired, and will not hunt.
Ron wrote on Jul 23, 2006 10:25 PM:Then might I suggest VALERIE CHERESKIN not drive, at all. Short term drilling, while expanding investment into alternatives is the way out for us. By securing more of our own oil at home, we are less dependent on foriegn sources, thus removing us from "bad" countries. Overtime, we will grow alternative sources, turn them into retail establishments, and become truly independent. I'm sitting here wondering if she's pro-alternatives? And if she is, would she be willing to have an ethanol refinery in Encinitas? I'm betting she doesn't.
Recall Her wrote on Jul 23, 2006 11:27 PM:Esther Sanchez is not the champion of the people. She only cares about herself. She has a full time job and is a very part time council member. She tries to wing it at the meetings when she is not prepared. She wants her way about everything. Wood and Mackin should stop giving into the spoiled child who will hold her breath until she gets her way. Let her turn blue or better yet, let her be recalled.
WORTHY PRECEPT wrote on Jul 23, 2006 11:39 PM:- "Together, America can do better" resonates so true to the heart I decided to google it, as someone suggested. It seems to have originated from the Democrats, though I think it really originated from the heart of America. I doubt that it is a new phrase, but if the Democrats are hailing this as their new mantra, I will sing it with them. God bless America. We can certainly do better.
Guiseppi = wrote on Jul 24, 2006 1:17 AM:…The most commonly heard argument against the estate tax - that it represents unfair double taxation - is fallacious. First, the estate tax does not even kick in until the assets left at death exceed $1.5 million, or $3 million per married couple - and those exemption amounts will more than double by 2009. Only relatively few Americans will even have to think about the estate tax, let alone worry about it coming on top of some other tax. Also, much of the wealth transferred at death has never been taxed to begin with. That's because capital gains on assets like houses, stocks and bonds are not taxed until the asset is sold. So, if it was never taxed in the first place, how can it be classified as double taxation? Obviously, if you inherit, say, a house, its owner didn't sell it, so never paid any capital gains tax on it. Furthermore, the we are in a critical state of war, and the nation desperately need the estate tax money. Bettie Heldring is repeating a lie often heard from the greedy who do not want to do their patriotic duty. Most of the profiteering from war has gone into the pockets of the rich. If a rich man doesn’t pay his share of war taxes, he shouldn’t object finally doing the patriotic think after he leaves this realm. “Unto whom much is given, much is required.” If the poor are willing to sacrifice their sons and daughters for war, then the least the Heldrings of the world can do is share some of their estate taxes. Fair is fair. Many of those who have been blessed with abundance simply do not want to pay their share. Never in the history of this country have we gone to war and simultaneously reduced taxes. Bettie claims that the estate tax is unconstitutional. I couldn’t find one word in the constitution about estate taxes. I know greed when I see it.
Wealthy Pilot wrote on Jul 24, 2006 3:48 AM:I will not pay more hanger fees; Do not raise them, if you please. I am wealthy, you can see; I only care about me, Me, ME!!!
Resident wrote on Jul 24, 2006 3:54 AM:The issue in the Oceanside City Council recall, spearheaded by LAWSON CHADWICK, is LAWSON CHADWICK. He felt personally offended. He stubbornly refused to deal with a personal offense, like a man, by forgiving and forgetting. Instead, he wants to drag all of us into his personal vandetta. Earth to LAWSON CHADWICK: grow up! You're not in Kansas anymore!~
Just a SLOGAN? wrote on Jul 24, 2006 6:47 AM:. I hope it is more than just a slogan. We need a real leader in America who can bring us back together again. I also remember when Americans could travel abroad and were respected and treated with deference. In the sixties and seventies I traveled all over the Middle East and Asia on business. I never feared being attacked (with normal precautions you would take in Detroit or Los Angeles). I remember sitting in outdoor cafes at night, dining with business partners, sightseeing alone with my camera in remote areas of Cairo, Amman, Damascus and Pakistan. I traveled hundreds of thousands of air miles to numerous countries in the course of my job. In most places in the Middle East I felt much safer than I did back home. I remember going into a bank in Morocco, and the people in line stepped aside to let me go first - because I was American. Boy, are those days long gone. How did America become such a hated country around the world? It all began to change in the eighties, but since Mr. Bush changed the world, I would never travel to many of the places I used to frequent. It’s just not the same world anymore. But then I don’t feel all that safe in in Atlanta anymore, either. It is my hope that somebody can bring us back together again. I wonder if America can become again the way it used to be.
Jack wrote on Jul 24, 2006 7:10 AM:Where did this slogan “Together, American can do better come from?” Looks like it came from the Democrats. Google pulled up names of people who are using this slogan and produced the names Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Mark Pryor, Dick Durban, Maria Cantwell and John Kerry. ALL DEMOCRATS. I think they are leading in the right direction. I’m glad one of the parties is talking about bringing America back together again. I wonder if history will record George W. Bush as the great divider or THE GREAT DESTROYER.
crews brothers wrote on Jul 24, 2006 8:08 AM:We have been blessed with a letter by each Crews brother in the last 7 days - everyone a masterpiece. Today's by J. Howard is one of the best I have ever seen in our NC Times. We CAN do better, America.
GFN wrote on Jul 24, 2006 8:23 AM:Guiseppe, you said it so well, there is nothing to add but, excellent job. Mr. Crews, I agree with your letter and I too remember, and yearn for, that America. For someone to chide you because of where it originated is shallow and specious, especially since you made no political reference at all.
Is this Christian ethics? wrote on Jul 24, 2006 8:26 AM:According to our President, if a group of people is perceived as a threat, it gives us the right (the duty!) to preemptively attack them, with shock and awe and much "collateral damage". Since this "enemy" does not wear a uniform, we have the right to kill those that might be the enemy. What if this ethic and logic were the guiding rule for all of us? If I were a person of color or a jew, knowing what the white supremacists think about me, killing any man that looks like he might be a bigot would be a right and duty. If I were white, and knew about La Raza, well going after all Latinos would be my right and duty, and of course the reverse is also true. Women know that almost all violence directed at them comes from men, so they are entitled to gendercide. Welcome to Bushworld, where Christian love reigns supreme.
subhuman Islamofacist wrote on Jul 24, 2006 8:31 AM:I am sure glad our letters page is full of intelligent reasoned arguments based on facts - such as Neil Turner's erudite essay of today. I think he could have put in a little more name-calling however. I did like the 'non-citizen animals' line and also 'Iman-brainwashed cohorts'. The word 'subhuman' is so old though. I haven't seen that used so much since - oh, say the 1930s in Germany. Think of some more up-to-date slurs, Neil!
GFN wrote on Jul 24, 2006 8:32 AM:"I see dead people", famous line in a great movie. "I see Prop F people", in the letters section. It seems the same old group of writers, same old pattern, relentless for sure, are now amusing themselves with the recall of Ms. Sanchez. I don't think they win this one.
GFN wrote on Jul 24, 2006 8:35 AM:Great points, Mr.Sauerheber and Ms. Patton. Get the school district on the recycling program. It's unbelievable that they are not already!!
to Gary Kuebitz wrote on Jul 24, 2006 8:36 AM:Let's all think about the world that Gary K envisions as America restored. The media would be owned or controlled by the government, to ensure that no anti-governmental or unpatriotic stories were published. Unions would be outlawed so that all working conditions would be set by employers. And, finally and redundantly, there'd be no illegal immigration, no foreigners here that the government didn't approve. Gosh, this sounds familiar, but I can't remember where this has been tried. Can anyone help me?
Ron wrote on Jul 24, 2006 9:23 AM:Estate taxes are not a new phenomenon; they date back almost three thousand years. As early as 700 B.C., there appears to have been a 10 percent tax on the transfer of property at death in Egypt. In the first century A.D. In the United States, the tradition of taxing assets at death began with the Stamp Act of 1797. That set a pattern for the next hundred years or so in which estate taxes were used as a sporadic, and temporary, way to finance wars. When hostilities ceased, the tax was repealed. The Revenue Act of 1916, which introduced the modern-day income tax, also contained an estate tax with many features of today's system. However, this time the estate tax did not go away after World War 1 ended. Despite sizable budget surpluses, Congress increased rates and introduced a gift tax in 1924. Like the estate tax, the gift tax is a levy on the transfer of property from one person to another. During the 1920s through the 1940s, estate taxes were used as another way to attempt to redistribute income. Tax rates of up to 77 percent on the largest estates were supposed to prevent wealth becoming increasingly concentrated in the hands of a few. Internal Revenue Code of 1954 overhauled the federal income tax, specifically; it expanded the tax base to include most life insurance proceeds, which could substantially raise an estate's tax bill. During the late 1960s and early 1970s loophole closing preoccupied tax reformers. These efforts culminated in a 1976 tax bill that overhauled estate taxation, giving us the system we still have today. Perhaps the biggest change was combining the previously separate exemptions for estate and gift taxes and transforming them into a single, unified estate and gift tax credit. The 1981 tax bill brought some relief. The top rate went from 70 percent to 50 percent. In 1997, Congress provided some relief with the first increase in the unified credit since 1987. Gradual increases, which began in 1999, are slated to raise the unified credit to $1 million by 2006. The Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 was the first step toward totally eliminating the death tax. I go through this history to show, that taxation by the government has become less about “paying the bills”, and more about accumulating power, and social engineering. Not to mention, a small family business is greatly affected by estate taxes, due to the low unified estate and gift tax of $3 million. A small business owner with a gross business income of 2 million, with a $500K house in Southern California, a 401K plan, and life insurance can only expect to pass on 45% of his business. In my particular case, I carry enough life insurance to pay the estate taxes, and business debts. Which, isn't cheap, I can assure you. If that business includes inventory, it is taxable, and the heirs must pay the fair market price of that inventory. Most heirs simply do not have the ability to pay the tax, so they sell the family business in order to pay the tax. Keep in mind, the original idea of estate taxes in America was to pay for wars, after which, they were repealed. Not anymore, they are now considered part of the tax base. I want to also say, my Dad was a career Navy enlisted officer, now retired. My Dad wasn't rich in money, but he gave me something worth more, "Want To." I'm no Paris Hilton, my Daddy didn't just give it to me. I worked hard and earned it. People like Guiseppi like to say the rich don't earn it, they inherit. You take a look around, most millionaires today have made it by having a good idea, and successfully marketing their ideas. This is why America is so great. I know an Iraq man, came here in 1991 with nothing. Now, he owns three conveinence stores. Hard work and long days, my friend, Hard work.
Must be a Liberal organization! wrote on Jul 24, 2006 9:42 AM:In today's SF Chronicle: QUOTE 07-24) 04:00 PDT Washington -- A bipartisan panel of legal scholars and lawyers assembled by the American Bar Association is sharply criticizing the use of "signing statements" by President Bush that he applies as a means of ignoring or not enforcing laws passed by Congress. In a report to be issued today, the ABA task force said Bush has lodged more challenges to provisions of laws than all previous presidents combined. The panel members described the development as a serious threat to the Constitution's system of checks and balances, and they urged Congress to pass legislation permitting court review of such statements. "The president is indicating that he will not either enforce part or the entirety of congressional bills," said ABA President Michael Greco, a Massachusetts attorney. "We will be close to a constitutional crisis if this issue, the president's use of signing statements, is left unchecked." ENDQUOTE I've seen some on this blog say that this happens all the time, that all Presidents do it. The ABA feels differently.
Ignore Ron wrote on Jul 24, 2006 9:47 AM:Sorry for my absence, but I actually have a life. DON'T FORGET - Please do not respond to Ron. His comments are repetative and seriously flawed. He only tries to get a response out of others. He cannot possibly be as ignorant as his comments reveal."
To Ron wrote on Jul 24, 2006 9:53 AM:I find it amazing that a human being could call a letter about peace, respect, good jobs, the future, trust, honesty, tolerance,justice, human dignity and hope drivel. Boy, does it take all kinds!
To the North County Times wrote on Jul 24, 2006 9:56 AM:You should be ashamed that you published a letter from Neil Turner calling human beings sub-human. I guess you allow anything.
To Ron wrote on Jul 24, 2006 9:59 AM:In my book, you're right up there with Neil Turner, Ron. And as for what you set out to be a compliment to Mr. Crews, then cut him down--absolutely uncalled for. As for looking up "Together, America can do better", more smoke screening. Again, Ron's Delicatessen of Deceit serves up a stupendous baloney sandwich.
To James Regan wrote on Jul 24, 2006 10:00 AM:If only the writers to the North County Times had half your intelligence! Thanks for giving me hope for the future! Thirty to seventy year olds don't seem to have a clue about what's important.
A revision wrote on Jul 24, 2006 10:05 AM:Gary Kuebitz needs to make these revisions: 1. The media, for being in Bush's hands 2. CEO's for making 350 times what a worker makes 3. Businesses that hire illegals
Abolish the Paris Hilton tax? wrote on Jul 24, 2006 10:11 AM:Why would anyone in their right mind want to give the rich yet another tax cut? FYI, Bettie Heldring, it was 100 years ago that intelligence and talent were used to amass fortunes. They didn't make nicey-nice while doing it either. Now their offspring want to get away scot-free and you're all for it!
DreSide wrote on Jul 24, 2006 10:12 AM:Mr.Turner, I would have to respectfully disagree with you on a couple of points. First point is that it doesn't matter whether they signed the Geneva conventions or not, we did and it behooves us to use them so that our standing in the international community is above reproach. We are governed by the rule of law which seperates us from the religious theocracies that are promoting these fanatics. Secondly, some of these individuals aren't terrorists and unless they are tried openly to present their defence then we as a government are no better than many third world didtators. I believe many of these men are in Guantanamo for legitimate reasons and should be jailed, but that doesn't give our government the right to throw all of the laws that our founding fathers fought so hard for right out the window. It's called throwing the baby out with the bath water. From your letter you seem intelligent enough to understand these nuances.
To Richard Hayes wrote on Jul 24, 2006 10:23 AM:You're talking about things that happened over 50 years ago. Both Israelites and Palestinians have a right to be there. The problem is, the US has been suppyling Israel with state of the art weaponry that is being used against the Paletinians.
to "subhuman" wrote on Jul 24, 2006 10:26 AM:"We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal. That they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights." I can't see in this basic statement of American philosophy anything that only refers to citizens. So you see, Neil and people like him MUST have the "enemy" be subhuman, or else their entire point of view falls apart. It's downright creepy how easily people judge others as subhuman, allowing all kinds of horrors everywhere. It's a special talent of humans, I think, to justify barbarism in this way.
DreSide wrote on Jul 24, 2006 10:36 AM:Mr.Kuebitz, I find it diheartening when I read your letter. I cannot possibly imagine how people in unions who are fighting for higher wages and better health care for their families while CEO's of major corporations are walking away with 400 times the wages of their employees can possily be what's destroying the U.S. How about our government consolidating power into the executive office at an alarming rate not to mention illegal wiretapping of Americans,healthcare costs that are triple that of anywhere else in the world and a minimum wage that hasn't changed since 1997. All the while house and senate do nothing except give themselves yet another raise. Somehow I feel like your argument doesn't hold much water.
GI Joe wrote on Jul 24, 2006 10:48 AM:RON: You might want to enrich your perspective of global warming by reading Bradley J. Fikes article (Silicon Beach) in Sundays NCT.
GI Joe wrote on Jul 24, 2006 10:50 AM:J. HOWARD CREWS: In my opinion, the hatred toward US citizens overseas began to grow during the Ronald Reagan administration and is reaching it's zenith under GWB. The young people of this country will never know that freedoms we once had.
Ron wrote on Jul 24, 2006 11:04 AM:There was a going back and forth yesterday, about the accuracy of exit polling, that still bugs me. Now, I'm no math genius, I'm the first to admit, but. If your science depends on humans to answer your questions honesty, and accurately, how can you possibly insure your getting the right answers, since we have secret ballots. You can't possibly know, how they voted. You might be able to look at their sample ballot, they take with them inside the booth, but it may differ, from how they actually voted. (oh, my god, I've gone crossed-eyed)
To Ron wrote on Jul 24, 2006 11:08 AM:On terrorists you state: "Have they murdered innocent non-combatants?". Where does that put us in Iraq as the 100,000 (plus or minus) can't all be terrorists. The Israelis kill hundreds of Lebanese (innocents) to kill a handful of "terrorists". It's call gerrymandering definitions!
to Ron wrote on Jul 24, 2006 11:28 AM:People are just more likely to tell the truth about what they just, a minute ago, did than when asked at any other time or place. Of course it's not 100% accurate, but think about it: they are being asked a very simple question (who did you vote for just now?), you are being assured the answer is just tallied and is anonymous. There just aren't many reasons for lying in this situation, and no time for forgetting, and, unlike pre-election polls, no effect of changing your mind. Can you see why this is so likely to be very accurate, even if not perfect? On top of this logic, there is the empirical fact that in probably thousands of elections at all levels in many places, the percentages that exit polls yeild are, in fact, very like the results when the ballots are counted. You really should at least read a textbook on this subject since it seems you might genuinely want to understand it better. Look at any local college catalogue, find the classes that are offered in Research Methods in Social Sciences, then call their bookstore to find out what textbooks are being used. You might enjoy it!
CR&R wrote on Jul 24, 2006 11:55 AM:Ideally, all public schools in the state should have manadated recycling programs. They do not. The good news: Temecula Valley High School adminstrators and students met with CR&R Incorporated two months ago and started the process of creating a school-wide recycling program. It will be begin during the 2006-07 school year.
Grant wrote on Jul 24, 2006 12:47 PM:Bettie Heldring is correct. The estate tax is not only double taxation, it possibly, and quite probably, represents a final fourth layer of taxation imposed upon the deceased. "The argument that the estate tax only affects the rich is absurd ... $1.5 - $3.0 million is nothing in today’s economy ... farmers, ranchers, and small business owners are hardly rich, but still would like to pass on what they have to their children. Yet when they die, their children rarely have the liquid cash needed to pay the death tax bill. Often the business and/or property must be sold or divided to raise money for the IRS. Many family farms across this country have been bought by large corporations because of the estate tax. Loss of jobs and the subdivision of open space for development are just two of the unintended consequences of the estate tax. But, ultimately, the argument against the estate tax is (if not a Constitutional one) a moral one . People should not be punished for working hard, saving, and building wealth. Our society should respect the most basic property right, namely the right to dispose of one's property as one wishes. The American dream is based on making a better life for one's children, despite the Marxist, egalitarian, class-warfare rhetoric of clever politicians who have somehow convinced the covetous that it is “greedy” to want to keep what one has worked their butt off to acquire. Building wealth is not sinister, it is admirable. Our tax rules should encourage the virtue of hard work and saving for the future.
Ron wrote on Jul 24, 2006 12:52 PM:On the terrorist issue, I did fail to use "intentional" in my definition. People intentionally target non-combatants sitting drinking coffee in a cafe, for example, are both murderers, and terrorists. They don't know these people, they want to make a statement. They attempt to instill fear into citizens from going about their normal activites. As opposed to, mistakeningly hitting a wrong target, a malfunction, or flying debis. All unintentional effects. Now, you can argue, that by sending the plane, to drop the bomb, with the knowledge you might create innocent victims, although your targeting combatants, I understand your point. You don't believe in war, or your a pacifist. I accept your thinking. You believe in talking and compromise, I think some people only respond to a show of force. We agree to disagree. You disagree with the war in Iraq, and along with that viewpoint, you believe our killing of innocent Iraqi's is intentional, and that makes us terrorists. I believe our intentions are to only kill terrorists, and not civilians. It is the intent, which defines the act.
on science wrote on Jul 24, 2006 12:55 PM:I've noticed that some bloggers to NCT scoff at the support of the human-global warming link that is endorsed by all the major scientific organizations in the field. The bloggers say something like, "I remember how the scientists were wrong about global cooling" or something else as their reason. This seems a terrible reason! If you think about all the things you do each day that, just by your doing them, endorses science: use your computer or car or air conditioner or cell phone or satellite tv or, or, or...clearly science is right about a whole lot of stuff!! And your behavior says you believe it, too. But along comes an issue that has been politicized by the right and suddenly, on this issue only, "Oh, I am so skeptical of these so-called scientists...look how wrong they've been!" Transparently bogus thinking...and it screams to me that anyone who argues this way is either an Exxon executive or a dupe of same.
Another on global warming wrote on Jul 24, 2006 1:06 PM:from the LA Times today: QUOTE: Global Warming-- Signed, Sealed, and Delivered Scientists agree: The Earth is warming, and human activities are the principal cause. by Naomi Oreskes An Op-Ed article in the Wall Street Journal a month ago claimed that a published study affirming the existence of a scientific consensus on the reality of global warming had been refuted. This charge was repeated again last week, in a hearing of the House Committee on Energy and Commerce. I am the author of that study, which appeared two years ago in the journal Science, and I'm here to tell you that the consensus stands. The argument put forward in the Wall Street Journal was based on an Internet posting; it has not appeared in a peer-reviewed journal — the normal way to challenge an academic finding. (The Wall Street Journal didn't even get my name right!) My study demonstrated that there is no significant disagreement within the scientific community that the Earth is warming and that human activities are the principal cause. Papers that continue to rehash arguments that have already been addressed and questions that have already been answered will, of course, be rejected by scientific journals, and this explains my findings. Not a single paper in a large sample of peer-reviewed scientific journals between 1993 and 2003 refuted the consensus position, summarized by the National Academy of Sciences, that "most of the observed warming of the last 50 years is likely to have been due to the increase in greenhouse gas concentrations." ENDQUOTE The journal "Science", BTW, is probably the most prestigeous journal in the Scientific community. So, as I've sent before, to strongly disbelieve this at this time (no one would suggest that new data wouldn't change opinions) would be either to suppose that thousands of the best scientists in the field in the world are somehow in a vast conspiracy to delude the world, or else to suppose that you somehow know better than they do, maybe because you can find someone with a PhD who agrees with you. Sorry, but either way it seems downright foolishness.
Mr. Conservative wrote on Jul 24, 2006 1:29 PM:Crank up those air conditioners, it's really hot out there.My SDGE stock is going up and up.
Ron wrote on Jul 24, 2006 1:32 PM:on science: Science is a process, trial and error. Failure, sometimes followed by success. You start with a theory, then prove it demonstratively. I'm one of those who point to past failures only to point out, it's been wrong before. Doesn't mean I don't see smog, and that's bad. We need to cut down on smog pollution, I'll go for that. I see it, ok, proven. I'll even go for reducing fossil fuel consumption if only for the reason, it gets us out of places like Saudi Arabia. I point to simple things like eggs, oatmeal, and coffee to make the point that even simple things, they get wrong. How much more about an atmosphere, no scientist claims to know "exactly" how it functions?
Ron wrote on Jul 24, 2006 2:20 PM:Hey Mr. Conservative....... I was just wondering? How many global warming believers out there are running their air conditioning full blast today? I'm with you, it's like hell out there. Crank them up!!! When that little dial spins, it's like money in the bank.
GFN wrote on Jul 24, 2006 2:20 PM:I do believe in the estate tax, mainly because much of what is accumulated has not been taxed, however, I believe the rates should not so punitive that a family has to sell the business.
another course wrote on Jul 24, 2006 2:41 PM:Ron, you also need to get a more informed or sophisticated notion of how science works. Many colleges offer classes in the philosophy of science that you might find enlightening. Theories in science are rarely if ever proven, because much scientific activity is devoted to trying to DISprove theories...that's how they improve and better ideas replace worse ones. It's also why, at any moment, betting on the scientific consensus is a best strategy even if it's never perfect. But why, of all things scientific, do you doubt this particular idea (the human-warming link)? Clearly it's not based on your own reading of the scientific literature. So what is your doubt based on? My guess is that it's because either a Democrat was in favor of it, or because you've been sold on this doubt by the right-wing, vested interest media people like Rush, or both. What other explanations could there possibly be? Both are dumb reasons, even you would have to admit, to make a judgment about science.
kc wrote on Jul 24, 2006 2:52 PM:You know Ron, you seem to piss alot of people off. I love it. While sometimes wordy, and sometimes I don't agree, I enjoy reading your stuff. I mean that. You make all kinds of sense to me. I'll just sit back now and wait for all the venemous assaults directed at me because I happen to agree with you. Keep up the good work Ron, keep up the discussion, no matter what side you're on.
To Ron wrote on Jul 24, 2006 3:12 PM:Do the dead inoscents know that you meant well, and well, gee whiz I'm so sorry that I killed you by accident? Justifiable homicide huh!
Intentions wrote on Jul 24, 2006 3:19 PM:When we imposed severe economic sanctions on Nicaragua, Cuba, Iraq, etc., would you say that the incredible suffering this caused innocent civilians was intentional or that we only wanted the bad guys in these countries to suffer?
Wake up Ron wrote on Jul 24, 2006 4:57 PM:By the time you feel global warming it's tooooooooooo late!!!!!!!
Again! Ignore Ron wrote on Jul 24, 2006 5:01 PM:Please do not respond to Ron. His comments are repetative and seriously flawed. He only tries to get a response out of others. He cannot possibly be as ignorant as his comments reveal.
Ron wrote on Jul 24, 2006 5:22 PM:Another course, question? The scientists that do not agree with the consensus of other scientists, are they right wingers too? Bought off by Big Oil? or just plain dumb? I laid out my case, I see smog, I agree it's bad for us, but I'm not willing to take the leap required to equate carbon found in 10,000 year old ice, with our carbon output. Somehow, I get the feeling that I'm not allowed to think here. If I'm not totally in agreement with your position, and the other smart guys, somehow I'm...a what? Dumb right wing, Rush follower, can't think for myself, kinda guy? Try to look at me this way, I'm a moderate. I'm with you as far as I can accept, but I still hold the right to go the other way. Kinda like an agnostic, there might be, but I don't know for sure. I've said before, there is the possiblity humans are partially responsible for global warming. Little different suject, by still science. I was watching a program last night about fetal stem cell research. Everyone's supposedly for it, yet, did you know there are scientists saying fetal stem cell research could have unintended consequences? He liked it to genetic research on fruits and vegetables. We still have people fighting this, and some are actually banned for entering the U.S. Now, I'm all for smart guys, I have many friends that are very smart guys, highly educated. But these same smart guys, couldn't engineer their way out of a wet paper bag. In their area, super smart, common sense, lacking. Get my drift. I'm not quite ready to make that kind of commitment, romance me first. (now, that last line was funny, I don't care who you are!)
MB wrote on Jul 24, 2006 5:23 PM:To Mr Joe Ellis: You are one of 25 appartment renters paying $400 per month. The roof starts to leak; you call the landlord to fix it. The landlord doesn't fix the leaky roof, but rather raises you rent to $550 per month. Guess what you are going to do? The airport is in the same fix BUT it can repay the $450,000 to the city. Really. The city staff have shown that if the hangers were built, the $450,000 would be REPAID. All the hot air by Mayor Wood, Sanchez and Shari Macken is just that HOT air. I can't call it what it really is, but it smells - get it? Any good business man will make every effort to MAKE money - not Mayor Wood, Shari Macken. Sanchez makes every effort to defeat the profitability of the airport. The airport can make $1 million per year - hands down..
hotty town wrote on Jul 24, 2006 5:23 PM:Nice job by Saul on the pandering politicians. We sure have plenty of them locally like Mexcondido's Mayor Pfeiler, the best friend any illegal alien ever had. This Mayor has ruined Escondido with her liberal, soft policies towards illegal aliens, grafitti and over crowded housing and apartments w/too many people, vehicles, crime, etc. Thx...Saul.
David wrote on Jul 24, 2006 6:34 PM:To "Abolish the Paris Hilton tax?" - Is the suggestion here that everyone who has large sums of money is corrupt or dirty? Then what is considered rich? Many people of other countries would consider some of our poorest people to be rich, let alone our middle class and above. I'm sure there are a few out there who actually earned their wealth. Maybe even you.
Grant wrote on Jul 24, 2006 6:34 PM:GFN, re. Your 07242:20PM post: You believe “what is accumulated [estate property] has not been taxed.” Then let me count the ways: (1) the income is taxed when it is earned. (2) when after-tax income is saved, the returns on the saving are taxed ... double taxation. For example, if the saver puts his income into a bond or bank account, the interest earned is taxed. If the saver invests directly in a small business, his investment income from the proprietorship or partnership is taxed. If the saver buys a share of corporate stock, he must pay personal income tax on any dividends that the corporation distributes to him, and a capital gains tax on any increase in the share value (as occurs when income is retained for reinvestment) when he sells the asset. (3) even before the shareholder receives his dividend, or the corporation retains income to reinvest, there is the corporate tax that must be paid on the corporate income, which is really the income of the shareholder. (4) if any unspent assets remain above a modest exempt amount, the federal unified transfer (estate and gift) tax imposes another layer of federal tax on the already multiple-taxed saving. This added layer of tax is also imposed on tax-deferred savings, which are subject to the estate tax and are taxed again as income to non-spousal heirs. Thus, all saving in estates has already been or will soon be taxed under the income tax, and any taxation of estates is an added layer of tax on saving. Like an iceberg, GFN, just because you don’t see (or don’t want to see it) it doesn’t mean it isn’t there.
Ron wrote on Jul 24, 2006 7:48 PM:You know, you guys kill me. OK, so your opposed to the war, I get the point! But, it should interest you, that even at Nuremburg, the Nazi's on trial were only tried for the crimes they intended to commit. If the Hague, or Supreme Court had a warrant out for George Bush, then I would agree, he is a war criminal. Just because you believe it, doesn't make it so. You have a right to your opinion, but everybody's got one. It might also interest you, that we pay families of Iraqi victims, when U.S. forces kill by accident. It doesn't matter whether we dropped a bomb, or hit em' with a skateboard. And I hear some are working it like a slot machine, kinda like some so-called Katrina victims. You think Saddam spent any money after his sons had raped, then had the husband killed because he objected to the raping of his wife? Not on your life. In Arab society a "spoiled women" is no longer wanted, she is left to do whatever she has to to survive, and usually that meant prositution. The difference, even if your not willing to see, or admit it, is when we do kill an unintended victim, we try to make amends. It will never bring them back, that's true, but we try, and that's the difference. We helped rebuild Europe after the 2nd World war, why? Obviously it was going to help the Germans, the French, etc. But it would also help us. It would help to prevent an angry mob coming after us later, and economically, they couldn't do it. All destroyed. How would people work, and live? We owed it to all of the innocents who were affected because of that nut case, and our bombs trying to get rid of him. Ever heard about family revenge? Very prevalent in Arab countries. You kill the father, years later, the son comes after you. They also believe in reparations (money) for killing a family member. Although not the best solution, they understand it to be an apology, and they accept it. It's been a tradition of Arab people's for hundreds of years. And other societies as well. On sanctions, they never work. The bad guys at the top still get fed, while the weaker starve. But, it's the favorite method of the U.N., so at least they like it. They won't sanction just going in, and cutting out the sickness, they punish the whole body. And sanctions are always violated, countries still wheel and deal under the table, on the black market. Oil for Food should have taught you that. And, by the way, that was failing too. So, no war, ever. And no sanctions, right? So, we do nothing. That's funny, cause in Bosnia we were told about the genocide from the U.N. and Bill Clinton. They said we needed to stop it. Most of that war was fought from the air by American bombers. And I understand we accidentally hit the Chinese embassy, killing several chinese citizens. Still a good war, for good reasons? Think sanctions would have worked? Doubtful. Keep em in the box, and let them continue to kill their own citizens. We allow that, how can we call ourselves civilized?
Kerry wrote on Jul 24, 2006 8:04 PM:Guisuppe and Tom: Give me a break.You think that 3 million dollars is a fortune? That is ridiculous. It takes most people a lifetime to amass that much in property or cash. It is absolutely unfair to give the government more money; or that the heirs should have to sell an asset to pay the taxes. Ridiculous. You obviously have never taken a risk to own property or make money. If you had, you wouldn't be suggesting to give it back to the government. You should read the history of taxation in this country, and you will find that the government has over-extended its bounds on taxation. You might even agree with the Fairtax plan. Oh, and Tom. Those American you think are lazy, are just not willing or able to take the wage you are offering because it is not livable unless you are living 10 to an apartment and send the money to Mexico where it is worth 3X that amount! You have no right to have a business if you can't compete in the American marketplace with legal workers! You are a discredit to American businesses and a cheapskate!
More than a slogan again - wrote on Jul 24, 2006 8:48 PM:- To GI Joe. I have to agree with you that the hatred toward US citizens overseas began to grow during the Ronald Reagan administration. During my many trips to so many countries, I began to notice the loss in respect shown Americans abroad began in the mid-eighties. My business travel was such a rich time of cultural learning for me then. It is tragic that today’s American youth are not free to travel to those parts of the world today to see and understand other people and exchange ideas with them. Truly sad.
I give up wrote on Jul 25, 2006 7:04 AM:Ron's response to the science question was a predictable cliche: I know educated people and they have no common sense. Only Ron, and people like him have that perfect balance of education and common sense that puts them way ahead of the pack. I'm joining "Ignore Ron" now. Pointless. And, as an aside, if you look at the scientists who strongly oppose the human-warming link, you do tend to find conflicts of interest and oil money...but why am I even bothering? G'bye Ron.
Lynnette wrote on Jul 26, 2006 6:49 PM:I see that the Vista School District wants to float a bond. Probably the same people who pay $30.00+ per hour to School Bus Drivers with full benefits, janitors nearly that much. Lets dump this bond like prop F...No education for Illegals..Sounds like a job for Randy Horton!!
Vista Granny wrote on Jul 29, 2006 8:26 AM:Have to reply to Betie Helding and Ron's standard "double taxation" and "generous donations" claims. First and foremost, most inheritance taxes are on previoulsy untaxed capital gains. Lest you be ignorant of tax laws, this means that the house you paid $30,000 for, now "worth" $400,000 falls in that capital gains territory. Unless you sell that house, you do not pay tax on the $370,000 capital gain. Of course, with houses, even then you only pay tax on a portion of the gain. The untaxed amount depending on whether you're single or married. Great wealth is most commonly accumulated through capital gains. People don't "save" billions of dollars out of their salary in 4% CD's. Second point, very few if any farmer's or small businesss owner's heirs need to sell the business to pay taxes. If they sell, it's probably because they'd rather have the money, than the work of running the businss. Banks readily loan money to successful businesses, if they qualify for captial gains tax. As for the huge donations to charity, that too can be misleading. If a very wealthy person does accumulate millions in EARNED income in a year, he can elect to give half of it away, get good karma from the gift and pay less income tax. Despite Bettie's rather artistic spelling of her name, I seriously doubt that she and her's have estates worth more than $3,000,000. Estate taxes are NOT DOUBLE TAXATION, that's a little bit of nonsense put out by wealthy right wing tax dodgers and the congressmen they treat to special goodies.
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