Officials: Cost of illegal immigration 'immense'

By: EDWARD SIFUENTES - Staff Writer | Monday, August 14, 2006 10:49 PM PDT

Following the hearing at the San Diego County Administration Building on Monday migrants' rights advocate Felix Garcia, of San Diego, holds a sign that basically says in Spanish "no minutemen" as Ken Lester, of San Diego, and Chuck Maier, of Valley Center, hold American flags and express their views to stop illegal immigration.
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SAN DIEGO ---- County officials testified during a congressional hearing Monday in San Diego that illegal immigrants extract a heavy toll on local governments and law enforcement agencies, especially in North County. But they said they did not know precisely how much.

Officials said illegal immigrants have strained local education, health care and prison resources. Many of the panelists blamed the federal government for failing to secure the nation's borders.

"San Diego County may be the gateway to Mexico, but my taxpayers in the County of San Diego are the doormat," said Supervisor Bill Horn, whose district includes most of North County.

The panel is part of a series of Republican-organized hearings held around the country on immigration reform. It was the fourth held in San Diego County since July 5, as Congress considers opposing immigration reform bills passed by the House and Senate.

Only U.S. Rep. Tom Davis, R-Va., chairman of the House Committee on Government Reform, which sponsored the hearing and U.S. Rep. Xavier Becerra, D-Los Angeles, participated in the hearing. Previous panels in San Diego have attracted a dozen or more representatives, including most of the county's Republican delegation.

Immigration advocates held a separate press conference in downtown San Diego in response to the hearings, saying the benefits of immigration outweigh the costs.

During the packed congressional hearing in county supervisors' chambers, San Diego County Sheriff Bill Kolender said illegal immigrants account for many of the calls law enforcement agencies receive in North County.

He said:

n Nearly 80 percent of gang-related crimes in North County involve illegal immigrants, either as suspects or victims.

n Day laborers and their migrant encampments are a burden on law enforcement. Residents call deputies about day laborers' aggressive work solicitation, drinking in public and using parking lots as restrooms.

n A recent operation in North County resulted in the towing of more than 100 vehicles due to traffic violations. The majority of the drivers were believed by deputies to be illegal immigrants.

n Protests supporting and opposing illegal immigration cost the Sheriff's Department $489,000 in 2005.

"The cost of staff hours, equipment and administrative work associated with the detention and/or arrest of undocumented, foreign-born citizens is difficult to approximate, but the figures are in the millions," Kolender said.

Horn told the congressional panel that the county Board of Supervisors commissioned a study to estimate the cost of illegal immigration on the county's coffers. His office later clarified that the board has not commissioned such a study but has authorized county staffers to investigate the cost of such an investigation.

"While current law and circumstance make it very difficult to accurately quantify the impact of the problem, it is immense," Horn said at the hearing.

Outside the administration building, several dozen immigrant rights advocates and anti-illegal immigration activists engaged in shouting matches. Immigrant rights activist Enrique Morones and members of his group, the Border Angels, laid small wooden crosses on the grass as symbols of the thousands of illegal immigrants who have died attempting to cross the border illegally.

Anti-illegal immigration activists carried large flags and picket signs that read, "Hire Americans," and "Say no to Chicano racism."

The atmosphere outside was contentious at times, but the number of protesters was much smaller than the crowd of hundreds that attended the first hearing July 5 at the Imperial Beach Border Patrol station.

The number of congressional representatives who sat on the panel also was smaller.

As in previous meetings, Latino rights advocates criticized the panel as a political show aimed at fanning anti-immigrant fervor. Christian Ramirez, a prominent advocate with the human rights group, American Friends Service Committee, said he attended the hearing to watch "the show," but did not participate in the rallies outside.

Members of anti-illegal immigration groups, such as the Vista Citizens Brigade and the San Diego Minutemen, who attended the event said the hearings bring needed attention to the cost of illegal immigration on tax payers. However, one said it's time to stop talking and do something.

"I think it's getting repetitive," said Minuteman Neil Turned of Carlsbad. "I have enough (information) going to four of them. I'm sure something new comes out each time, but its time to get something done."

Contact staff writer Edward Sifuentes at (760) 740-3511 or esifuentes@nctimes.com.

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Jay wrote on Aug 15, 2006 12:22 AM:Wow! After all these decades our elected officials finally have figured out the obvious: Illegal aliens are a drain on us taxpayers. Did you get the part though about financing a commmission to investigate the costs of this burden? Lets save them a alot of time, trouble and more of our tax money. Shout it out to 'em folks. THEY COSTS US ALOT!

El Guero wrote on Aug 15, 2006 4:32 AM:Yes, it's time to get somethiing done. LIke round up the Mexican agitators and send them home to agitate for higher wages and better living standards and opportunities in their own country.

MEXICAN BS wrote on Aug 15, 2006 7:23 AM:I am sick of all this talk. If they are illegal ship their butts back to TJ. Whats so wrong or racist about that. I dont care if your Cambodian, if you hopped our border get the heck out of here. I cant go anywhere without feeling alienated in my own country. I go to pay for gas and the girl behind the counter doenst even speak english. Dont even think about going through a drivethru in Escondido without being bi-lingual. I have just had it with this place. I love Mexico, its people and food and culture are great. But like the old saying goes, its a great place to visit but I never want to call it home. well I am finding that calling Escondido home is no different except I can call the police here and not be robbed by them. I FEEL LIKE A DOORMAT AND I WANT JUSTICE!!!

Common Sense! wrote on Aug 15, 2006 7:35 AM:Yes, the costs of the Mexican Invasion are 'IMMENSE' and virtually every other negative adjective you can possibly think of: gargantuan, dangerous, lethal, evil, dangerous, out of control, viscious, lawless, anarchistic, destructive, and chaotic. Hundreds of millions of AMERICANS are sick and tired, outraged, and fed up w/this complete LAWLESSNESS by both the Mexican Invaders and American spineless, gutless and corrupt politicians. The negative effects of this INVASION are so beyond the scope of imagination for the average person to comprehend and believe. This invasion will most certainly go down in history as THE single most sinister, diabolical, lawless and evil act against the United States that has ever been commited. This situation is about to go from bad to much worse soon.

John wrote on Aug 15, 2006 7:47 AM:Mayor Pfeiler of Escondido doesn't agree with any of this. Her policy is to encourage as many illegals as possible in Escondido no matter how much it hurts the City and it citizens. If it is a problem, it's, "Not my problem, it's the Fed's or the State or anyone but me," she says.

Concerned wrote on Aug 15, 2006 8:24 AM:We all need to write (again) to our local, state and federal representatives (even Boxer and Feinstine) and demand that they enforce the laws that are on the books. Or, since this is still, for the time being, a democracy the laws need to change. It's up to us. As they said back in the 60s: America, love it or leave it!"

Actual Invasion wrote on Aug 15, 2006 8:25 AM:Illegal Immigrants have actually invaded California!

To Actual wrote on Aug 15, 2006 8:29 AM:Do you really think all these illegal immigrants just showed up today? All of a sudden? Nope. They have been here for decades. People who think there is some sort of "invasion" right now have been duped by politicians and other spotlight-seekers looking for their 15 minutes of fame. After the election, and after these minutemen guys realize that hate doesn't pay the bills, this "invasion" will go back to being what it's been for years -- a border town that has people from all over. People who don't like living near Mexico should move to Idaho.

Sue them wrote on Aug 15, 2006 8:31 AM:Is there a way that "we, the people" can sue our (local) government? Wouldn't that be interesting? I would love to be on that jury panel.....

Daren wrote on Aug 15, 2006 8:39 AM:We love living near Mexico, we just don't want to live in the same neighborhood as illegal citizens of Mexico or any other country. If people from Mexico & other countries want to live in the US, they need to apply for citizenship and wait their turn. When people from Mexico & other countries illegally and criminally sneak into this country, they deserve whatever negativity comes their way, including dying in the attempt.

Hey Concerned.. wrote on Aug 15, 2006 8:40 AM:Dopnt bother.. Feinstein and Boxer have supported nearly every pro illegal immigration bill sponsored.. those two are some of the biggest traitors ever elected to office. You should read their voting records.. if it were up to those two we would all be speaking spanish.

Election Time wrote on Aug 15, 2006 8:58 AM:I guess Mayor Pfeiler, doesn't want to be re-elected, ok by me, I can vote for the other guy. Either she is going to do the will of the people who pay her or she is going to find another job and it won't be here in Escondido. Maybe on the T.J. Tourism Board? I would imagine she is going to attack the voters of Escondido tomorrow at the City Council, just like our Governor, calling the citizens who demand that our laws be obeyed Racist.

Kenbone wrote on Aug 15, 2006 9:27 AM:Round em up and move em out! Someone mentioned Feinstein and Boxer? Absolutely right! We can't have true immigration law enforcement until we get rid of the democrats who encourage the illegal garbage. Why do they want to give the country over to the Mexicans? Kick em out and keep em out!

Bill wrote on Aug 15, 2006 9:28 AM:I'm sure the immigrants who work their tails off 7 days a week are an insignificant "drain" compared to San Diego's wealthy Republicans whose businesses profit from an exploited labor force, and then dodge millions of dollars in taxes through offshore accounts and fraudulent tax shelters. I think the immigration issue is hyped by the real criminals because they are a weak easy target. Just as with Iraq, it's easier to scapegoat the weakest target than to address the real problems.

AlegalAlien wrote on Aug 15, 2006 9:54 AM:I really don't think those in office really want to know the REAL costs of illegal immigration to the American taxpayer. That is why they don't fund a study to find out, that is why the hospitals don't keep accurate records on their use of health care and that is why schools continue to add more ESL programs. We may be fighting a war on terrorism on Iraqi soil, but we are fighting a war on illegal immigration at home. They are starting to get the message that the American taxpayer works hard too, but they are tired of paying all of the bills. If we weren't paying for illegals, would our schools do better on standardized tests and provide a better education for citizen students? If we weren't paying for the health care of illegals, could we provide health care for those working 2 jobs, but neither provides health care? We have reached the tipping point where the US is over the top of the bell curve heading down the hill and we cannot afford the ride down. We have to decide what are priorities are and fund them adequately. Securing our borders whether from terrorists or freeloading illegal aliens, should be a well funded priority. Maybe, we could take all of the tax dollars spent on the education, health care and social services of illegals to do it! Oh the possibilities are endless!

Joe B wrote on Aug 15, 2006 10:02 AM:The cost of illegals are killing healthcare. Anyone! Go into Tri-City Medical Center and see why are healthcare is too high. You will see the suburbs of TJ.

anayeli wrote on Aug 15, 2006 10:28 AM:OK Bill, I'll bite. What is the REAL problem?

Patrick wrote on Aug 15, 2006 10:28 AM:This stupid article should be titled "Cost of US employers hiring illegal aliens immense!" Why do you think illegal aliens come here??? For JOBS. Why doesn't the county/state/government not punish employers??? It would be a lot easier than going aftr the "illegals".

Concerned wrote on Aug 15, 2006 10:35 AM:When you write Feinstein and Boxer you get very nice letters back outlining their views on illegal immigration. They both say they are against amnesty, as well as "illegal" immigration. They support some sort of worker program. It's all very politically correct and actually sounds rather sensible. One thing for sure is that they are both in office until they choose to leave. Same with Nancy Polosi. Sad, but they have been elected by California voters, and we the people must live with it. That said, write them and tell them your views. Urge them to listen to you. Illegal immigration is a huge problem for California, and like any huge problem there are no easy solutions. I say we try to work together and figure it out. Not everyone will get what they want, but maybe we might get what we need. Did I just go Rolling Stones on you?

Jorge wrote on Aug 15, 2006 10:43 AM:The problem is not a "hard working mexican", its the baggage that comes along with this illegal alien. The roughly 7 million anchor babbies, the uninsured motorists, the bankrupt hospitals, tens of billions of tax payer dollars needed to build schools for the mexicans. How do you put a price tag on all the jobs denied non-mexicans (blacks, whites, asians, etc) who can't work for $10 an hour, or who dont speak fluent spanish. Over 50% of "latinas" teenagers have children out of wedlock. Over 50% of latinos don't complete high school. Should I go on? We are importing 3rd world poverty, and it is increasingly obvious that this state and nation cannot support it. The answer is not border anarchy, but an orderly immigration process. Build the wall now!

Roberto wrote on Aug 15, 2006 10:55 AM:Funny - in the 80's and 90's Americans used to invite illegal immigrants families to come and work for them for a very low wage without having to pay taxes to the IRS. Now they want them out because it’s wasting tax money. But doesn't everyone pay taxes. An illegal still pay taxes on food and other items they buy. Even if they are using a fake social security number they get taxes taken out of there check for doing a low paying job Americans think they are too good for. And now illegal are invading America. A land that once was theirs but taken in a "UNJUST WAR" so said Abraham Lincoln.

Escondido Politicians take note!!! wrote on Aug 15, 2006 11:06 AM:Anyone running for office should pay close attention to these on-line comments. We will be voting for you (or not) based on issues like this. We are your constituents--we voted you in, and sure as hell can vote you out. We aren't some sort of racist mob. Just reasonable people that have been pushed to the brink. All we ask is that the existing laws of the US be upheld. We don't want our hard earned tax dollars going toward the support of people who have entered our country illegally. Illegal immigrants --country of origin doesn't matter-- drive down American wages (and at the same time are exploited by greedy business owners). Immigration laws exist to protect our national security, jobs, healthcare system, and schools. This isn't racism, it's common sense. That's why all sovereign nations have strict immigration laws. If you've taken the time to write in a comment forum, take a minute and send your comment to the politicians we voted into office.

Native Indian wrote on Aug 15, 2006 11:18 AM:I wish my people had tough immigration laws before the white man came to this country and took it from us. Now you Americans now how my people felt!

Sick of living in "TJ" wrote on Aug 15, 2006 11:36 AM:Here in Escondido, I am a minority. My children are denied some of the school benefits that the illegals get because they are white. Roberto (above) writes that the illegals do pay taxes when they buy things and have payroll taxes taken from their pay even when using FAKE social secuity numbers. The last time I checked...that would be considered identity theft...why isn't anyone addressing that issue? The illegals do not pay State or Federal Income taxes, they claim several dependants so that taxes are not taken from their pay. I'm sick of living near their filth, I'm sick of them talking about me behind my back in spanish (So many would be shocked if they this blond haired blue eyed "juera" speaks fluent spanish, I'm sick of them knocking on my door asking for work, and I'm sick of not being able to go through a drive through where they speak english. The worst part is paying the property taxes for their children to attend the same school my children attend. They drag down the test scores and the teachers are under pressure to spend more time with the illegal kids who don't speak english to get their test scores up, leaving the others on their own. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! Vote these idiots out of office and let's get someone in there who will actually DO something and not just talk about it!

Me Geronimo-How wrote on Aug 15, 2006 12:02 PM:I am racist because my land was stolen from my people by the white man. I am racist because my people were slaughterd by the white man. I am racist because the white man never kept there word by breaking every treaty written. I am racist because my people that were left, were moved to other territories. I am racist because the white man invented scalping. I am racist because the white man burned our villages. I am racist because the white man stole our horses. I am racist because the white man killed our buffalo for their skin only. I am a racist because the white man was the true illegal immigrant. Factual is not racial. Realism is not racism.

Daisy wrote on Aug 15, 2006 12:16 PM:Roberto, the illegals' contribution in taxes is not even a drop in the bucket compared to what they take. California spends $10.5 billion a year on illegal alien upkeep, according to FAIR. Subtract the "contribution" by illegals and it's still $9 billion. We cannot afford to keep bringing in all these poor people, we cannot take care of them. I am tired of giving up my American culture to the Mexicans. The pro-illegal supporters scream about diversity being a good thing...well, where's all the diversity now? Everything's Mexican/Hispanic, Spanish language everywhere. Enough!!! What we need is to dry up the jobs, jail the employers, no more birthright citizenship and build the frikkin' wall. If Mexicans are so brave and wonderful and the men have such big b*lls, then why don't they stay home and fix their own country?

Robert24 wrote on Aug 15, 2006 12:39 PM:To Actual; Guess what, they are in Idaho also. Nobody is saying that cultural diversity is the issue, but illegal entry into our country is. Nobody said they don't like living next to Mexico, they just say they don't want it taken over by illegal aliens. Think you can go to Mexico and move in and expect them to welcome you with open arms? Guess again! Maybe if protesters like Felix Garcia would learn to protest and put their thoughts in English, instead of in Spanish, they would show a little sign of trying to fit in in America. I remember the bumper sticker of some years ago "Welcome to California, now go home". Maybe we could bring that back to reflect todays climate to the illegal folks "Welcome to America, now go home".That would even work in Idaho!

chen wrote on Aug 15, 2006 12:41 PM:Indians attacked white people unprovoked alot even after they had truces. You here of those stories of whites attacking from white people in our movies because we are sorry for it and want to show we are sorry, but it was equal from the other side.. by the way if americans didnt take it the russians would be here not indians ..lands always get taken by the stronger people throughout history look at rome, the monguls, aztecs, egyptians, but your cool with the aztecs sacrificing kids and murduring other indians but whites are the evil ones huh europeans are the best thing that happened to this continent and america is the best thing that ever happened to mexico without it mexico would be like africa a third world and 90% of the rich people in mexico came from spain ancestory anyways ..and i'm asian i just see the truth

Doormat wrote on Aug 15, 2006 1:36 PM:Commissioning a study on the costs of illegal immigration to our county would be a waste of money because the single biggest item, public education, cannot be accurately calculated. We don't know how many kids in our schools are children of illegal aliens because the schools are not allowed to ask. The party in power in Sacramento would like it to stay that way. We are spending unknown billions on new schools and teachers for children of illegal aliens. Now that property tax receipts are no longer keeping pace with the number of children of illegal aliens enrolling in school, we should expect these same politicians to begin offering up new tax and bond measures to make up the difference. The "don't ask, don't tell" policy on immigration status masks the magnitude of the problem, pacifying the taxpayer, growing the ranks of the teachers' labor union, and securing the jobs of these corrupt Sacramento politicians.

Ed wrote on Aug 15, 2006 1:37 PM:Where is the Border Patrol? Why are they not allowed to patrol the county and cities and arrest people who obviously need arresting? Why are illegal aliens allowed to roam the streets in plain view for all to see??? Where is the political will to fix the problems we have in this country???

ColorBlind wrote on Aug 15, 2006 2:00 PM:To those lamenting the "racists". This is not about race. It's about breaking the law and forcing legal U.S. taxpayers to foot the bill. If instead the illegal aliens were all French-speaking Canadians from Quebec, and EVERYTHING ELSE REMAINED THE SAME, it would be exactly the same problem. If you see this as white vs. brown, you do not understand the problem.

Fred wrote on Aug 15, 2006 2:47 PM:I don't now why everyone is make such a big deal about this. Once D.A. Bush starts WW III, Americans are going to need the illegals help. And then they will be accepted and given green cards.

fedup wrote on Aug 15, 2006 2:55 PM:Just think how many other problems that we could take care of if we didn't have to spend all this money on these damned illegals!

Patrick wrote on Aug 15, 2006 3:02 PM:AMERICANS are BREAKING the LAW by HIRING ILLEGALS. Why are we NOT jailing these AMERICANS??

Lou wrote on Aug 15, 2006 4:01 PM:Is it any wonder why Americans are hated throughtout the world? It is things like this that causes militant groups, such as Islamic fundamentalist, to attack and kill American citizens throughtout the world. American society has deteriorated to a point that we are now the laughing stock of the world. Whatever happened to common sense? If illegal immigrants (and we all know who we mean...Mexicans) are such a drain, then we should stop charging them taxes and fees. They should no longer have to pay sales tax, fuel tax, cigarette tax, liquor tax, or any admission fees to anyplace that charges such fees. I suppose that everyone here is not Christian or Catholic, or even believes in a higher being...God. The bible teaches us that "he who is free of sin, let him cast the first stone." Everyone here commenting about illegals has obviously never broken a single law...never been over the speed limit, or has ever stolen anything.

to Lou wrote on Aug 15, 2006 4:37 PM:Islamic fundamentalists want us dead because we are capitolists, we are NOT MUSLIM, and we advocate another religion. We are laughed at because our own media is disloyal. Illegal immigrants are mostly Mexicans, Americans of Mexican descent are not illegal. I can see why you want to know what happened to common sense, you wouldn't know it if it hit you in the face.

American-Irish Resident wrote on Aug 15, 2006 4:37 PM:Are the property owners in the hospital focused Tri-City area of North County listening? Approve your property tax hike and just sit back and wait for the next request for more illegal immigrant money. The maps found on people illegally crossing the border will include Vista-Oceanside-Carlsbad. Good luck to Tri-Cities from the good people of Encinitas. As Lou preaches to this blog, you people of the Tri-Cities should sacrifice to pay for all of the illegal aliens and sacrifice your children's education to pay for all of Lou's wonderful people. Pay Tri-City...Pay for illegal aliens that the Mexican politicians have thrown away as if they were trash.

Korean-American lady wrote on Aug 15, 2006 6:09 PM:I for one am sick and tired of the illegal aliens that have and are bombarding the schools, hospitals, housing, freeways, and etc. I am really tired of working my tail off while illegals get free everything with the taxes that come out of my paycheck, I came to this country with a visa and have had to work hard to speak the english language perfectly and to work hard until I was allowed to get my citizenship, I never asked for a handout, never asked for anything free from the government, I did what it took to become an American citizen, so why should these illegal aliens who are mostly out of Mexico demand anything but a swift kick in the pants back to the border and to take away any kind of benefits that they have been getting, I and the nation cant afford it and we dont need anymore people killed or hurt by the criminals that cross the border everyday something needs to be done not just all talk, we all need to take action, picket, marches, letters to the congress, senators and etc. whatever it takes to makes sure that only legal citizens are left to run this country.

white minority wrote on Aug 15, 2006 7:25 PM:vote in November and say no to illegals. 11 million illegals who are criminals for just entering our country will be rewarded with citizenship if we the americans dont vote against this garbadge immigration act. We the americans have the power in voting numbers so don't be frustrated with all this protesting be mexicans and illegals because thats there only hope because they can't make us not vote and I think they know that americans will win come november. lets take back our counrty before its becomes mexico. they say its impossible to deport 11 million illegals and I laugh because we let 11 million illegals in over 15 years and why cant we get 11 million out in 10 years if we wanted to. its just a tactic illegal right activists are trying to use but its stupid. if we want third world country just let 11 million criminals get hold of the american system and just watch the chaos start if it hasnt yet.

Robert24 wrote on Aug 15, 2006 8:20 PM:Fred; What makes you think that they will stand up for this country in your WW III post? They aren't even big enough to enter the country legally now, or attempt to assimilate into our way of life. I say there is no way in $%#@ they will fight for this country, and that is another part of the problem. Once the free hand outs and other "percs" that we give them now dry up, they'll be on to greener pastures. Hard to have loyalty to a country that you can't even speak the language in, let alone participate in by voting, paying taxes, etc.

fedup wrote on Aug 15, 2006 8:47 PM:And how does one factor in the loss of $$ that is not put back into the economy in the U.S. but sent back home to families there (mostly Mexico)?

Roberto wrote on Aug 15, 2006 8:56 PM:There is no sales tax on food unless the food is sold hot or for consumption on the premises. But there is sales tax on beer so illegals are paying some sales tax!

Same problem in Penasquitos wrote on Aug 15, 2006 9:14 PM:If we could take care of the Illegal Immigration problem in San Diego County our crime rates would drop. Remember it was a TWICE DEPORTED ILLEGAL ALIEN that shot and killed Oceanside Police officer Tony Zepetella.

Willie wrote on Aug 15, 2006 9:14 PM:Our border has a front door where people can stand in line (sometimes for years) to enter legally, and a wide open back door with no line where people (including terrorist) and goods (including illegal drugs) can enter freely. Only a fool would waste their time standing in line at the front door when there are no penalties for using the back door. IT IS TIME TO CLOSE AND LOCK THE BACK DOOR.

Same problem in Penasquitos wrote on Aug 15, 2006 9:16 PM:Anyone ever go To PaloJuana ( Palomar ) Hospital??? have border patrol stationed at the hospital then the waiting room in the ER would be empty and waitt imes would be minimal

Waynebiz wrote on Aug 15, 2006 10:52 PM:To Mr. Geronimo How: Perhaps you missed the lesson in American History or were asleep or something that week, but the Spanish sold your supposed land to the United States during the period of time that they claimed Mexico as part of the Spanish empire. So any claims to any United States territory that you or any other misguided master of revisionist history mistakenly think belongs to Mexico should be addressed to the Spanish government. Don't blame the United States or the white man because your ancestors could not then or now organize themselves to self-govern and self-protect. Further, your victimization claims from the white man happened many centuries ago, so it may be time to get over it, get after it, and live the remainder of your life as a productive human on God's Earth, rather than a whining victim crying about the past that cannot be changed. Plenty of people who come from cultures that met hard times went on to thrive despite their hardships. It's time for everyone crying about the past and looking for reparations to do the same.

Dan (Temecula) wrote on Aug 15, 2006 11:26 PM: You know all these pro illegal activist are really fighting for the American Tax payer to continue carrying illegals on there back, when really if they would like to throw some water on the fire maybe they could come up with a few ways to make it fair for the tax payer instead of helping illegals beg for handouts they do not deserve!!! Like illegals and there employers would have to pay twice the amount in taxes that we do to help carry there own who take advantage of are giving system. Wait what am I talking about thats no good either just ship them out and deport them with no chance of citizenship ever. Then give all the ones who have waited in line there jobs, houses, and cars.

old news wrote on Aug 16, 2006 1:00 AM:Cheap Labor *Isn't that what the whole immigration issue is about? Business's don't want to pay a decent wage, consumers don't want expensive produce, Government will tell you Americans don't want the jobs, but the bottom line is cheap labor. **The phrase "cheap labor" is a _myth_, a _farce_, and a _lie_. There is no such thing as "cheap labor." Take, for example, an illegal Mexican who sneaks in here with his wife and five children. He takes a job for five or six dollars an hour. At that wage with six dependents he pays _no_ income tax, yet at the end of the year _if_ he files income tax he gets an " _earned income credit_" of up to _$3,200 free_. He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent, he qualifies for food stamps. He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care. His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school. He requires bilingual teachers and books. He qualifies for relief from high energy bills. If they are, or become, aged, blind or disabled they qualify for SSI. ** Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for medicaid.* ** *All of this is at that taxpayers expense. He doesn't have to worry about car insurance, life insurance, or home owners insurance. Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material. He cannot be fired, harassed, or sued. * *He and his family receive the equivalent of $20 to $30 an hour in benefits. Working Americans are lucky to have $5 or $6 an hour left / _after paying their bills, and his_/**.** ** They also pay for increased crime, graffiti, and trash cleanup. * *Cheap labor? YEAH RIGHT! Work hard and pay your taxes. 12 million illegal aliens are counting on you!*

to Roberto wrote on Aug 16, 2006 6:26 AM:What percentage of California's annual collected Sales Tax is contributed by Illegals buying beer? Are you saying California's economy would collapse if they weren't? You sir, continually project ignorance and racism behind the mask of xenophobia. Work with facts, not your heart and maybe someone will listen instead of respond with comments like this one.

educated idiot wrote on Aug 16, 2006 7:15 AM:The thing that I find most amusing about people that say that Mexico is taking back what was taken from them simply because evil white man took it in a war that Mexico fought and lost. There were only some 10,000 Mexicans in all of the territory when it was fought for. It was an undeveloped territory that most had no interest in living in. Those that were here after it because US soil were made United Stetes Citizens. It is not the mere idea of taking the "land" back. Illegal Immigrants come here for what United States citizens, slaves and legal immigrants have created. If the land was dirt, like when they were in control of it, would they be so eager to flock to it? The jobs and the free benefits is what they want. I don't blame them, their own country leaders suck worse than ours do. It is the communist activists that use these hardworking people to fight for their racist agenda that really annoy me. Check out Mexico's own immigration policy if you want a real laugh. The treat people to their south much worse than anything US has mangaed to do to their people. I say we use their own policy on their people so they can understand the idea of a sovereign country.

Educatedidiot wrote on Aug 16, 2006 7:18 AM:The thing that I find most amusing about people that say that Mexico is taking back what was taken from them simply because evil white man took it in a war that Mexico fought and lost. There were only some 10,000 Mexican families in all of the territory when it was fought for. It was an undeveloped territory that most had no interest in living in. Those that were here after it became US soil were made United Stetes Citizens. It is not the mere idea of taking the "land" back. Illegal Immigrants come here for what United States citizens, slaves and legal immigrants have created. If the land was dirt, like when they were in control of it, would they be so eager to flock to it? The jobs and the free benefits is what they want. I don't blame them, their own country leaders suck worse than ours do. It is the communist activists that use these hard working people to fight for their racist agenda that really annoy me. Check out Mexico's own immigration policy if you want a real laugh. They treat people to their south much worse than anything US has managed to do to their people. I say we use their own policy on their people so they can understand the idea of a sovereign country.

Me Geronimo-How wrote on Aug 16, 2006 8:56 AM:To Wayneditz-The American Indian didnt sell anything to any Spaniard, Mexican or American. It was brutally stolen primarily by the white man. You and your ancestors must be knew to this country. Try and learn the real history of the American Indian. We are the true natives are you are the true immigrant or your ancestors were!

ColorBlind wrote on Aug 16, 2006 1:28 PM:And so the race-baiting goes on and on. Give it a rest already! This is not about the "white man" stealing something from a person of color. This is about United States citizens defending our soveriegn right to determine who immigrates into our country. The illegal alien deprives us of our right to screen that person based on what skills, education, national allegiance, criminal background and diseases that person brings along. Conversely, legal immigrants disclose these facts first, and if we determine it to be in our national interest to admit them, we welcome them in. This is our sovereign right; the illegal alien has no right to demand exemption from this process. If you snuck into this country illegally, you need to go home, then go get in line at the U.S. embassy behind your fellow countrymen. We welcome thousands of honest, healthy, skilled, educated people of color into our country each year who affirm allegiance to our country. Perhaps you can be one of them. It is our right to choose. That is why we have immigration laws.

To Geronimo wrote on Aug 17, 2006 2:39 AM:Should I hit or hold on a 16 when the dealer shows a face card? What's it take to get a room comped here? Got any firewater? Indians have been receiving and accepting government assistance and in some cases preferential treatment from the devil white man longer than any other group of people, so you can complain if you want to, but it's kind of hollow. If you continue to hold a grudge for the perceived transgressions that occurred generations ago, you only hinder and alienate yourself. Got peacepipe?

To: Me geronimo wrote on Aug 17, 2006 7:31 AM:If you want your ignorant statement to have more punch........learn to spell....it's "new" not "knew". Geepers.....wonder where you were educated if at all. I highly doubt you know the true history of the American Indian. Why is it when, some can't think of a good argument to promote their view point, it's always a racial slur to whites. Hey buddy......if it wasn't for whitie...you would still be living in a paper shack....

Nick wrote on Aug 17, 2006 9:12 AM:Don't let Geronimo get your feathers ruffled folks. As a card carrying Native American, I can assure you he does not speak for all of us. I'm willing to bet he's not even a member of a Federally recognized tribe, or he wouldn't be hiding behind a name like Geronimo. My father, uncles, and grandfathers were raised on the Reservation and still loved this Country enough to fight for it and give their lives for it. I'm proud to be brown, and I don't hate the white man.

Tax payer wrote on Aug 17, 2006 9:37 AM:If it costs the US 80 billion a year, to care for the illegal worker and his family, in government services. And the illegal only come to this country to work sending 20 billion to Mexico. Then why don't we pay Mexico the 20 billion to have then stay home and save us tax payers 60 billion per year. While at the same time releaving the burdon on school, healthcare, uninsured motorist trashed neighborhoods, prostitution ect... The benifits would be staggering.

TO TORoberto wrote on Aug 17, 2006 1:55 PM:i think roberto was just saying that illegals even avoid taxes on a lot of food items but "at least" we get to tap them for the beer tax

Nick wrote on Aug 17, 2006 4:26 PM:Taxpayer, now thats an idea I like.

Nick..you are a true american wrote on Aug 17, 2006 4:49 PM:Nick, you are a true American! The point here is that we are all here together LEGALLY! Anyone who wants to come in...come on in! LEGALLY! This country is great because we all work together..the illegals are not cooperating or contributing their fair share and it's a drain to the rest of us. All of you fools claiming this is discrimination need to be educated on the real issue. The economic drain!

k wrote on Aug 17, 2006 5:45 PM:Roberto was just spouting more ignorance. At least he stopped using the word xenophobe.

Al wrote on Aug 18, 2006 9:27 PM:I don't need a bunch of political hacks to tell me the blatant obvious. The net affect of these ILLEGAL's is a drain on the SD county balance sheet,i.e. a financial liability, not an asset! Just visit Palomar Hospital ER some weekend. View the waiting room filled with Mexican families with their 5 spanish-speaking kids, getting FREE medical aid for a sore throat and runny noses. It is a pathetic site. I work, pay huge taxes and health insurance. These thieves don't. This is the crap that irritates many LEGAL American citizens. Enough of this nonsense.

There won't be any Illegals wrote on Aug 20, 2006 6:01 AM:http://spp.gov/

Not another study! wrote on Aug 22, 2006 6:09 AM:So the politicians want to do another study? For what? Look around. Drive down East Valley Parkway any hour of the day. It's Tijuana. We are sooooo out of this dump. Our house is for sale. Adios Escondido. This places sucks.

dude wrote on Feb 20, 2007 12:04 AM:The story of the korean-american's struggles should be a prime example for all others who want to get into this country to follow.Getting into this country(The legal way of course) and also intergrating into it may be tough but it can be done.

re: true american wrote on Feb 20, 2007 12:33 AM: I have to agree with the man as he says if you want to come here LEGALLY then come on in.This is what America is known for.If you are not here legally than that means you have done something illegal which makes you a criminal and you should be treated as such.

illegals go home wrote on Apr 11, 2007 8:54 AM:To the person who wrote that living near Mexico you must expect what a border town has for inhabitants and move to Idaho if they don't like it: Anyone that is aware, realizes that we have all become border towns. Even up here in Bel Air, Maryland... Wake up, you fool!

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