Hamdania case hearings begin

By: TERI FIGUEROA and GARY WARTH - Staff Writers | Wednesday, August 30, 2006 6:38 AM PDT

Veterans, from left, Ron Gliden, who served in the Army during the Korean War, Jerry Hinsch, who was in the Navy during Vietnam, and Al Catalina, who was an Armed Guard aboard a merchant marine ship in World War II, sip beers and talk about how they feel about the hearings that are starting for the 'Pendleton Eight,' which get started on Wednesday, while in the San Marcos VFW Memorial Post 3795 bar in San Marcos on Tuesday.
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The first public look into details in the case of eight Camp Pendleton men charged with the kidnapping and murder of an Iraqi civilian is expected today with the start of major pretrial hearings for two of the accused.


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It's a case that will be covered by national media and watched with interest by some local war veterans who said they wonder how it will affect the image of the Marine Corps.

Seven Marines and one Navy corpsman all face charges that they snatched 52-year-old Hashim Ibrahim Awad from his home in the Iraqi village of Hamdania on April 26, took him to a roadside hole, tied him up and shot him. Prosecutors allege the men then planted an assault rifle, spent shells and a shovel at the scene to frame Awad as an insurgent planting a roadside bomb.

The men face the death penalty if convicted.

Today's proceedings are known in military parlance as Article 32 hearings. They are akin to preliminary or grand jury hearings in civilian court, in which the prosecution lays out its case against the accused.

After the cases against the men are laid out, the investigating officer overseeing the hearings will recommend to Lt. Gen. James N. Mattis whether the case should proceed as military trials known as courts-martial.

First in line for the hearings are Pfc. John Jodka III, 20, and Cpl. Marshall Magincalda, 23. The two men will have separate hearings starting at 9 a.m. in separate courtrooms at Camp Pendleton.

Only a small number of reporters will be in the courtrooms because of space limitations. The rest will watch from the media center, where a closed-circuit video and audio broadcast of the proceedings will be aired. That footage will not be provided for public airing because the military justice system, like the federal court system on which it is based, does not allow it.

Besides Jodka and Magincalda, the other accused troops are Sgt. Lawrence G. Hutchins III, Hospitalman 3rd Class Melson J. Bacos, Cpl. Trent Thomas, and Lance Cpls. Tyler A. Jackson, Jerry E. Shumate Jr. and Robert B. Pennington.

Their Article 32 hearings are scheduled for September and October.

The men's attorneys and families say they are innocent.

Accusations about Awad's April 26 death first reached military leaders May 1. Within three days, an investigation was under way.

The men, all members of Kilo Company of the 3rd Regiment, 5th Marine battalion at Camp Pendleton, were put on house arrest in Iraq on May 12, then jailed in the Camp Pendleton brig on May 24.

Charges were not brought until June 21.

Veterans guard feelings on accused

In the heavily military town of Oceanside on Tuesday, emotions ranged from outrage to empathy among some local veterans who have followed the case.

"These guys are not getting a fair shake at all," said retired World War II Marine Sgt. Maj. "Iron" Mike Mervosh of Oceanside. "I'm for them. All we're getting is one side of it."

Mervosh, who retired in 1977 as the most-senior enlisted man in all the armed forces after 35 years in the Corps, said he is inclined to believe his fellow Marines rather than Iraqi witnesses.

"We trust those people, but not our Marines," he said.

Mervosh minced no words in his support for the accused Marines and his anger at "our glorious left-wingers" who assume they are guilty, but also acknowledged that he does not know all the details about the case.

If a group of Marines did kidnap and kill a civilian, not in the heat of combat but in cold blood, Mervosh said they should face the consequences.

"If the Marines did wrong, then take appropriate action," he said. "Then they'll get what they deserve. And of course, I'll feel bad about it, as far as our Marine Corps is concerned. I enjoy all the successes of the Marine Corps, and I'm disappointed in the failures."

He said it is disgraceful if even one Marine does something wrong.

"It hurts me when you have a failure in our Corps," said Mervosh, who fought in the Pacific on Roi-Namur, the Marshall Islands, Saipan, Tinian and Iwo Jima during World War II before serving during the Korea and Vietnam wars.

Oceanside resident Joe Kratcoski, a Marine veteran who fought on Saipan in World War II, said he and his buddies also have been following the case.

"Some people really think it's a rotten deal and others say, 'Well, you don't know what happened,' " he said.

Kratcoski said the alleged crimes are disgraceful if true, and the Marines should be justly punished if guilty.

"If they're found guilty of what they're being accused of, it'd be really shocking to me," he said. "I just don't think Marines would do that. We're not trained to do that."

Morgan Jones, a World War II Army veteran who survived the Bataan Death March, was cautious about either condemning or condoning the accused Marines.

"I know that in the heat of the battle, things happen that would not ordinarily happen," he said.

'Hell if you do, hell if you don't'

Jones said he has discussed the case with other veterans, and many of them believe it is unfair to accuse the Marines of murder after sending them into battle.

"All they can say is it's a hell of a note to go to battle and then be charged with something," he said. "It's hell if you do, hell if you don't."

In Fallbrook, which borders eastern Camp Pendleton, Dorothy Tanner said the accusations against the Marines would be shocking to her late husband, Marine Capt. Jack Tanner, who served on Iwo Jima and died two years ago.

"He'd be upset," she said. "I think he'd find it hard to believe it's true. There were so many fine men in the outfit. I cannot even conceive of them doing the things I've read about."

Over at the Veterans of Foreign Wars Post in San Marcos, the accusations have made their way into the conversation.

"These kids are being railroaded," member Jerry Hinsch said Tuesday afternoon, calling the accused men "promotion fodder" for officers. "It's a setup. Those people (the Iraqis) don't want us there."

Hinsch said officials from the San Marcos VFW post sent each of the eight jailed men a letter of support and an invitation to fill out an application to join the post. Three of the men did so, and San Marcos VFW members will pick up the membership fee, said Hinsch.

"We told them we aren't standing behind you, we are standing with you,' " said Hinsch, a Vietnam veteran.

Victor Kelley, the civilian attorney for one of the accused, Cpl. Thomas, said his client is among those who took the local post up on the offer.

Sitting next to Hinsch at the bar Tuesday afternoon, World War II veteran Al Catalina, 78, pointed to the stress that the Marines are under, with repeated trips to Iraq.

"They go for six months, they come back for six months," Catalina said. "They are under so much pressure, you can only blame them for half the stuff. There is such a state of confusion over there, nobody knows, what is going on."

-- Contact staff writer Gary Warth at (760) 740-5410 or gwarth@nctimes.com. Contact staff writer Teri Figueroa at (760) 631-6624 or tfigueroa@nctimes.com.

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Ben wrote on Aug 30, 2006 6:02 AM:I will wait for all of the usual suspects to get their 2 cents worth in condemning these men. I am one of those who cannot imagine 8 intelligent men getting together to do what they are being accused of. It is just beyond my imagination that they could collectively loss control to that extent! I for one will pray that facts not yet public will be brought out that will prove this crime did not happen as reported!

o2cool1 wrote on Aug 30, 2006 9:57 AM:My prayers are with these men and their families. I find it hard to believe we've come to a place where we take the word of Iraqi's over those of Marines. On NPR this very morning while taling about Iraq one woman from Iraq called and stated her and many in her familiy still in Iraq believe the American military is supporting the insurgents. Now I ask you do you really want to see these men go to trial based on the statements of an Iraqi witness? Not me.

Ben wrote on Aug 30, 2006 11:43 AM:To o2cool1: Thanks for the posting, I know this entire war and this entire situation is hard on all of us but no where near as hard as it is on the families of the accused! Let justice prevail! Keep up the good thoughts and words!

Ann wrote on Aug 30, 2006 1:54 PM:I think it is a disgrace to accuse these men who have volunteered to defend our country and have been placed in a war where they are not wanted of anything. People would take the word of an Iraqi, people who blow themselves up to kill Americans, over the word of United States Marines. It is a disgrace.

Jay wrote on Aug 30, 2006 2:51 PM:Why is it that people cant imgaine these men committing terible crimes when it occurs in our society everyday right here at home? Surely the oppurtunity to commit homicide is even more likey in a war zone. Sorry, I cant buy the many arguements that our military men are either too well trained or discilpined to do such things. These kids often come from the same families, mind set and neighborhoods that breed our bad seed. Face facts people, a uniform doesn't make you a boy scout any more than a collar makes you a priest. Why dont we just wait for the evidence, if the defence will allow it?

JD wrote on Aug 30, 2006 5:32 PM:To Jay your posting above is proof that you have already convicted these men and the entire military! Like I said before about you and some others people should DISCOUNT what you write as the words of a person so slanted that they have lost all objectivity! Hate America First fits you to the tee! I rest my case! I again encourage everyone to ignore your rants and hate!

Harry wrote on Aug 30, 2006 8:39 PM:Hang in there Jay and don't let JD's "rants" get you down. He clearly takes his own advice and doesn't read your posts, or can't comprehend them, because he accuses you of "convicting" these men and the entire military, because you are willing to consider the fact that if the military is bringing serious charges, somebody might be guilty of something. Why you are singled out for his dirision when it is the Marines that is bringing the charges. I am afraid that logic is beyond JD's capacity, and it is futile to bother to address him directly. He just doesnt get it and uses slogans in place of thought.

AW4CRYINOUTLOUD wrote on Sep 1, 2006 1:42 PM:To:Jay. I'm a female;a civilian. I've read your views on another page. You're right "down" there with ROACH. I've watched our military ever since we went into Iraq. You're right about one thing:"a uniform doesn't make you a boy scout.." Yep; what that uniform does is signify that you are the Best of this country. It signifies that you have gone through hell to earn the right to wear that uniform, and the Eagle, Globe and Anchor pin. It signifies that you will go through hell to defend this country; even jerks!! It signifies Discipline, Honor, Courage, Valor and Strength. Grow up Jay. Are you really an American citizen? Can't be! NO true American would ever take the word of any Iraqi over the word of a United States Marine. Read the Washington Post June 5, 2006 article by your own Liberal journalists at their best. I worked for the FBI years ago. We had to proof read everything before final print. If you REALLY care about the truth you will see two different testimonies by the same so-called family members and so-called witnesses. Big as life. Right there on the same page, in the same report, by the Post's special investigative journalists. Have you seen the photo of Hashim? Not exactly a loving family shot. Looks more like a mug shot. The kind the "Insurgents" take. As for waiting for the evidence; Wouldn't it be wonderful if the 'Persecution' would allow it? What happened Jay? Did the Corps turn you down? OH,FYI; I spelled prosecution the way it should be spelled!

to cryin'out loud wrote on Sep 17, 2006 9:34 PM:Those who attack others' patriotism for questioning the government are confused about what it means to be a patriot in America. This land was built on questioning the government -- and that includes the military. Am I glad we have Marines? Yes. Does that mean I'll take their word for it whenever something comes out of their mouths? How very silly and un-American that would be.

AW4CRYINOUTLOUD wrote on Sep 18, 2006 4:56 AM:Hi to whoever responded to my blog of September 01, 2006 1:42 PM. Excuse me, but next time you may want to 'READ' it first. I didn't say anything about questioning the government. I said, "NO true American would ever take the the word of any IRAQI over the word of a United States Marine." This is OUR military. It is part of OUR government. Why in all that's holy would you take the word of an Iraqi over a U.S. Marine? Especially when there's the great possibility that the Iraqi's in question could be insurgents. Sorry, but I trust those who defend this country first.The rest can PROVE it to me.

Spin Boldak wrote on Mar 27, 2007 4:22 PM:Glad to see that today the old "geezer vets" are standing behind the "kids", today's troops who have to launch the bullets. Thirty-five, forty years ago, the WWII geezer vets had only scorn and condemnation for the "kids" of then, the Vietnam Vets. Heck, where I hail from, NE Pennsylvania, the old geezers of 2007 STILL hate the Vietnam vets and also the troops of this war

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