Puzzled wrote on Sep 22, 2006 10:57 AM:Why do people buy raw milk?!

what?? wrote on Sep 22, 2006 11:01 AM:Is there something going on with this E.Coli and our food distribution network? Could this be signs of domestic terrorism? Obviously, our enemies now know how easy it would be to contaminate and distribute. Whats next -- our water source?

Tired of Illegals wrote on Sep 22, 2006 11:30 AM:Maybe the source of the problem is coming from the third world standards we are allowing to occur in our country from all the illegals who are here!!!

kc wrote on Sep 22, 2006 12:19 PM:"Organic" is not so appealing these days. What organ does it refer to? I'm afraid to know.

esteban wrote on Sep 22, 2006 12:37 PM:Relax Mr "what??"....don't start panicking on us.

More puzzled wrote on Sep 22, 2006 1:07 PM:Why do people buy milk at all? Cow's milk is for baby calves, not humans. Besides, it's all blood processed through a cow's mammary glands, pus actually. Disgusting to think about it. Can you imagine sucking on a cow tit? I don't think God/nature intended this. Wonder why there are so many heart problems in this country? Talk to a cow. Nature's revenge. It's not about ORGANIC, pasturized milk can be "organic" as well. That's just for the uniformed kc above. I'm sure everyone else knows that.

From one who knows: wrote on Sep 22, 2006 2:54 PM:Organic-no pesticides, no antibiotics, no hormones in the foods. They way food should be. When you eat an apple sprayed with chemicals, you eat the the apple with the chemicals. You drink raw milk cause that's they way our ancestors drank it. This batch my have not been prepared correctly. Remember "You are what you eat".

Patrick wrote on Sep 22, 2006 3:25 PM:It's the illegals getting back at all you racists!

what planet? wrote on Sep 22, 2006 3:26 PM:are these comments for real? how uneducated is our public anyway? did your grandparents need to even think about this garbage? nope - their food wasn't full of toxins, pesticides, hormones, bioengineered you name it.... wake up people or we will be done without our "enemies" lifting a finger

to kc wrote on Sep 22, 2006 3:31 PM:are you my delusional grandmother who still is allowed to vote AND drive? your thinking is very similar.

A Why option wrote on Sep 22, 2006 3:59 PM:Organic Pastures, besides providing "live milk", also has a "pasture-based mobile dairy (that) produces milk which is naturally low in bacteria. With a mobile milk barn, the cows graze on green pastures and are never required to return to manure-filled pens for milking." For some consumers, this is very attractive environment from which to purchase food, and (supposedly) produces safe milk. I am curious to learn how this happened at this type of facility. Please follow-up.

To what wrote on Sep 22, 2006 4:37 PM:I the terroist never thought of that. Could you and the media give the terroist more ideas.

Organic shmorganic wrote on Sep 22, 2006 7:10 PM:If it's from the earth, it's "organic." While our grandparents might not have had to worry about pesticides, they did die at much earlier ages than we will. If we are what we eat, then I'm quite well preserved, thankyouverymuch.

to Puzzled wrote on Sep 22, 2006 7:14 PM:I think SOME people buy raw milk and other organic foods for two reasons. First, they purchase these items because it makes them feel nutritionally superior. Second, these products are more expensive, which in turn gives them the double opportunity to feel intellectually and economically superior as well. What's not to love about organic?

Puzzled wrote on Sep 22, 2006 10:02 PM:I buy organic when I can, but I prefer ultra-pasturized milk since it lasts longer and I don't have to worry about things like E.Coli. Again, why do people purchase raw milk? Is there any sort of health benefit?

dave wrote on Sep 23, 2006 5:51 AM:To 'puzzled': You need to eat foods that are alive and can easily be broken down and assimilated into your body. Pasteurization and ultra pasteurization work against nature and the ensuing product is a 'dead' product that spoils rather than breaks down into nutrients. Take a glass of raw milk and let it sit out. It breaks down into yogurt. In time it will break down into curds and whey. All foods that are healthful. Take a glass of pasteurized milk and let it sit out. It spoils and becomes rotted. This is the same out come once it is in your body.

dave wrote on Sep 23, 2006 5:53 AM:Enzymes and bacteria are the foundation to our health and vitality. pasteurization destroys both. raw milk has over 100,000 different components. the components are seriously altered out of their natural state when heated. Raw milk is extraordinarily close in composition to blood serum. this is not the case once it is heated. the key to safe raw milk is the cows need to be cared for as God made them. they need to be outside, without pesticides and antibiotics, they should eat nothing but grass and the milk should be tested to verify (just like any other industry). It is correct that E. Coli can not grow in raw milk. The enzymes prevent this activity. Their are studies that show a cow that does not eat grain will not have E. coli in its rumen or manure. E.coli requires a specific pH balance to flourish and without grain the cow's rumen is not the right pH for E. coli growth. E. coli problems are man made industrialization problems not raw milk or other foundational foods problems.

Mama Holstein wrote on Sep 23, 2006 6:20 AM:You silly humans. Where’s the love?

Mama Holstein wrote on Sep 23, 2006 6:28 AM:You silly humans. Where’s the love?

Pablo wrote on Sep 23, 2006 7:07 AM:Why do people eat beef if you can get e. coli?

I think Tired of Illegals is wrote on Sep 23, 2006 7:38 AM:ON to something. On my way to work this week I TWICE saw mexican men on Centre City Parkway urinating on the bushes in the middle of the road. They think nothing of this kind of behavior.

For all of you wrote on Sep 23, 2006 7:53 AM:"How to Eat Move and be Healthy" this book has made wonderful changes in my life. It can make changes in yours as well as answer questions to why eat organic. Be well!

Thinking.. wrote on Sep 23, 2006 9:30 AM:There is some great unbiased and sound information about the benefits of raw milk here......realmilk...

Thinking.. wrote on Sep 23, 2006 9:31 AM:There is some great unbiased and sound information about the benefits of raw milk here... realmilk...

David I wrote on Sep 23, 2006 11:05 AM: Organic milk offers many benefits to their consumers and their farmers alike. It is under attack. The movement is pulling people away from conventionally produced and conventionally marketed milk. Kraft Foods is putting MPC (Milk Protein Concentrate) in their Kraft Singles and other cheese stuff products yet MPC is NOT an approved food additive in the U.S. The U.S. Government refuses to act upon its illegal use. It is labeled and imported as a chemical. (See Family Farm Coalition's website) Today?s attack on Organic is designed to create disinformation and serves to protect conventional marketers that only worry about slamming an inferior food product down our throat while telling us it is safe because it's Pasteurized or Homogenized or Fortified. Organic Foods marketers are there demanding more money for their products because they have higher costs associated with the safeguards they have in place to protect their customers as well as their selves. Organic producers have a commitment and a love for their customers that the other guys don't have. Don't buy in on the Doctor that won't allow his kids to drink raw milk Because of what "He believes.....? I grew up on raw milk as did my kids. I am still here. The difference in the organic product begins at the farm and that commitment continues all the way to the customer. There are several people who know and understand what adulterated food products can do to your health. Remember that each day there is more organic market share that is taking away business from "the establishment". If you follow the money trail of corruption, you will see that Organic is under attack by companies who have milked all of the profitability out of farming and used the Government's protection to help them out of business. Organic farming hurts sales of Pharmaceuticals, hormones like Posilac, Chemical and Pesticide companies, conventional feed companies, conventional Beef Sales, Conventional Milk Sales and Adulterated Cheese sales. People want to improve the quality of their food intake and have made a choice based on the actual farm practices they condone. There is an established opposition to organic milk sponsored by a hormone company because even conventional processors are starting to demand rBST free milk. So the makers started a website to attack organic milk product. milkismilk... is a worthless and shameless attempt to discredit the organic and rBST free milk product and trying to hurt the farmer?s who haven't sold their souls to stay in business. For those who need info about raw milk and its benefits, look up realmilk...

To Pablo wrote on Sep 23, 2006 11:47 AM:Because it tastes good!!!!

Joanna wrote on Sep 23, 2006 11:49 AM:There was no E.coli found in the milk. End of story. It would be nice if the epidemiologists had taken a microbiology class or learned about the fallacy of spontaneous generation. Perhaps someone needs to refresh their education in the basic sciences so they don't jump to any more erroneous conclusions. Just remember, they're from the government and hear to help us...

TO NCTIMES wrote on Sep 23, 2006 11:50 AM:Thanks for not posting my message to all these people...about reading a book that would help people get healthy. How biased is that. I thought this was open to the public for information and comments.

To Dave wrote on Sep 23, 2006 11:55 AM:GREAT JOB!

For Dave wrote on Sep 23, 2006 11:56 AM:Right on, you have got it so right!

RawMilkDrinker wrote on Sep 23, 2006 12:27 PM:Hi, Thinking is right, check out realmilk...--there are lots of health bennies. For those wondering "how this could happen", I'm not convinced it did--I mean, they test every batch of milk that they produce and that strain is not in it. Epidemiological evidence just means that someone said, "Hey, this person may have eaten bagged spinach, but they also had raw milk. Because we're paranoid about raw milk, we'll draw a connection here to CYA." OrganicSchmorganic, our ancestors did actually live a lot longer than us, but when they started to eat refined sugar and flour a couple of centuries ago, give or take, depending on your particular ancestry, life expectancy plummeted. And plummeted further when people started raising cattle in urban feedlots and giving them garbage to eat instead of pesticide-free pasture. Read "Traditional Foods Are Your Best Mecicine" by Ronald Schmid, ND. for more info.

MORTY wrote on Sep 23, 2006 5:14 PM:I was smart i drank my buttermilk be for the gov could take it. and as for watering the bushes on cener city some body needs to do it.

Puzzled wrote on Sep 23, 2006 5:23 PM:I checked out realmilk and also wikipedia. I'm sticking to organic pasturized. Realmilk cites studies from the 1930s as the basis of much of their facts...that's SCARY. The risk isn't worth it to me, and the other beneficial bacteria and vitimins can be gotten from other foods.

kmm wrote on Sep 23, 2006 6:14 PM:your all organic just cost more it makes the consumer think they are better

hewie,, i still have my butter wrote on Sep 23, 2006 7:02 PM:i don't know how long they are going to pull their product off of market, but i stil hvae a full jar of their raw butter,,,, thanks from my stomach bacterias... gosh,,, all thsoe expensive raw dairy product going to a waste....

Laurie wrote on Sep 23, 2006 7:24 PM:I drink raw milk, and don't go to doctors anymore - all 7 family members. No more ear infections, strep throat, asthma,allergies, kidney stones, gall bladder pain, urinary tract infections, afternoon naps, bedwetting... Raw milk is FOOD. Pasterized milk is not food. How many children had tubes put in their ears yesterday because of our polluted food supply? More than four, I'll bet.

cinzia wrote on Sep 23, 2006 9:04 PM:Dave is sooo right about raw milk. And, this is not the first time Organic Pastures has been "implicated" in producing "tainted" raw milk. Mark McAffe deserves a huge medal for continuing to bring the public white gold--raw milk--despite all of the government's and industry's attempts to shut him down. Thank you Mark McAffe!!(PS I live in Michigan where raw milk is not sold in stores--I drive 150 miles round trip twice a month to see my cows at my farm and to get their milk and cream. My family is healthier than ever, including my two children who drank raw milk as infants!)

Mary wrote on Sep 23, 2006 11:24 PM:Very interesting! Have any of you been on a farm?

To Laurie and Cinzia wrote on Sep 24, 2006 7:05 AM:Great job...keep up the good work taking care of yourself and families. Dr.s are out to drug people up. If you eat organic when possible and get rid of proceesed foods, sugars, glutens, etc. Not only do you feel better you look better and have more energy naturally.

Cindy Organic wrote on Sep 25, 2006 4:16 PM:Key words -- no eColi found in the milk. So where did it come from? Why pull a product off the shelf if it does NOT contain the guilty pathogen? Using that logic, EVERY product in my local SaveMart or Vons should be recalled - after all, it does NOT contain e.Coli!!!

Michael wrote on Sep 25, 2006 9:17 PM:Having researched raw organic milk, I shall remain a faithful and satisfied consumer of Organic Pastures products until evidence, not emotion, sways me. I wince at some of the posts here that so blatantly expose their authors as having done no research, nor having pondered ..., my only supplier. Come on, people, critical thinking requires both being critical AND thinking, and we can do better than indicated here.

Michael wrote on Sep 25, 2006 10:31 PM:Having researched raw organic milk, I shall remain a faithful and satisfied consumer of Organic Pastures products until evidence, not emotion, sways me. I wince at some of the posts here that so blatantly expose their authors as having done no research, nor having pondered ... my only supplier. Come on, people, critical thinking requires both being critical AND thinking, and we can do better than indicated here.

PK wrote on Sep 26, 2006 12:25 PM:Wow, I am amazed at how some of you claim that the drinking of raw milk has eliminated all disease from your family. There are so many of you that are for raw milk and only a few that are for pasteurized milk. I have researched the pasteurization process and personally, I wouldn't drink water without it being processed, I don't know why I would even think about drinking milk without it being processed first. Just one last question to all of you "healthy" people, do you drive cars, live in tract housing, and work in large buildings for companies? Because you are so about going back the "healthy" ways, but don't seem to have any problem with taking advantage of modern technologies. If you truly believe in a natural lifestyle, perhaps you should get off your computer and go move in with the Amish.

selina wrote on Sep 30, 2006 7:42 AM:all of you are stupid here.and all of you growth of artificial food (pizza,hamburger, ready made food),you never had a natural food.you say that to drink raw milk is wrong and you are afraid of E.coli.you are just poor minded people.im in us for 2 months and almost starving for natural food which i had in europe and especially for raw milk which i used to drink whole my life and im more healthier then you all together,you know that if you drink raw milk it you will rare have a cancer or heart disease.in my native place all people drink only natural milk and i never heard they have cancer,heart problem.if you want everything pasteurize go ahead.let me recommend you pasteurize daily that no bacteria will be even on you. sick people. you need psychi medical help.

jc wrote on Oct 4, 2006 3:54 PM:hi, i would like to know if any body who ate the spinach got sick and went to an emergency room with severe symptoms like the e-coli caused. but they were told it might have been something else or something we ate. it wasnt know about the e-coli at that time. but you still feel sick like with stomach cramp and swelling very nasuses and headaches and back side pains. because thats what i'm feeling.