Frida wrote on Sep 29, 2006 11:07 PM:At this past Wednesday's city council meeting, the trio slate (waldron, abed, and gallo) seemd so hesistant and afraid to reveal the actual costs associated with passing a ordinance to not rent to undocumented people. this proves that they are not working in the best interest of escondido..these three are costing us too much money. they should resign.

Concerned wrote on Sep 30, 2006 12:07 AM:After reading this article I went to the city website and read the ordinance. I am concerned. Neighbors reporting on neighbors? "Any official" can initiate an investigation? Does that include a cop invited into a home to investigate domestic violence or a paramedic who renders first aid? Or a water meter reader who "suspects" something? Evict in five days? Since when is that legal or possible? It takes at least 60 days to evict a tenant in California. Landlords cannot collect rent after that have been notified? What's next? Restaurant owners are held accountable for harboring if they sell meals to "one of them"? Public Parks have ID checkstands? I know by tomorrow the moronic bloggers will be out in force to sing the praisers of the "Three Amigos" (opps...sorry guys. I forgot one of your next ideas is English only.) but bottom line is this ordinance is going to cause a lot more problems than it solves. Good try Mr.Epp. It's not your fault you were given an impossible task by a group of small time small minded mean spirited bumpkin politicians. Get ready to write the checks Escondido. The court costs are going to be steep.

About Time wrote on Sep 30, 2006 3:26 AM:I simply do not see what all the hubub is about ..... if a person is a citizen or legal resident they have nothing whatsoever to worry about .... if they are not, then they are welcome to go home - wherever that may be. Ethnicity has nothing to do with it. Treating our uninvited "guests" as criminals is understandibly distasteful to many and a burden to an already overburdened law enforcement system. That said, intractible problems require creative solutions - and removing the incentives for people to migrate and making it more attractive for those "guests" who are here, to leave, make sense.

It's About Time wrote on Sep 30, 2006 3:41 AM:Thank you Marie Waldron, Ed Gallo and Sam Abed. Finally, we are seeing politicians who have the backbone to start doing something about this problem. Our State and Federal elected officials (as well as our Mayor) should take note. This new ordinance is targeting lawbreakers, plain and simple. It's time for legal citizens to take back our city and stop catering to those who have illegally entered our country.

Welcome to America wrote on Sep 30, 2006 5:39 AM:Thankyou for speaking english!.... As a service tech when I go to a house or an apartment where 9 out of the 10 people hanging out there don't understand basic english terminology ie. don't take the batteries out of the smoke detectors or pour grease down the sink etc.,it's a good bet they're not citizens born and raised here...let's see some legal documentation.

Put a bounty on shopping carts wrote on Sep 30, 2006 5:44 AM:Deputize the land lords. Clean up this hole.

Also Concerned wrote on Sep 30, 2006 6:10 AM:This is not to suggest that all landlords are socially irresponsible. It is not uncommon for a 1200 sq ft home in Escondido to be occupied by 10 people, with 5 automobiles parked in the driveway and on the street. These occupants are NOT immediate family members, but an assortment of adults around the same age. If existing laws are in place, which have "TEETH", and are enforceable, please let us know.

Harry wrote on Sep 30, 2006 6:43 AM:The hatred of the other has led the good people of Escondido to devise an plan to fine and imprison its American property owners. Has anyone in Escondido ever read the Diary of Ann Frank?

Impressed but not convinced wrote on Sep 30, 2006 7:18 AM:I will say this for our City Attorney. He is much more creative and resourceful than whoever wrote that dribble in Hazleton. Read both and compare. We are lucky to have our professional city staff. HOWEVER...if you asked our city staff (Mr. Epp included) if they thought this ventured wise I'm willing to bet they would say no. Even this well crafted document is full of legal and, more importantly, moral obstacles.

Gary wrote on Sep 30, 2006 7:27 AM:It is simply a matter of supply and demand. There are so many Illegal Aliens moving into Escondido, that American Citizens are being displaced. This is simply not right. I would never consider Illegal Aliens in this country as my neighbors.

Robert24 wrote on Sep 30, 2006 7:46 AM:Great job, Escondido! I see my neighborhood, and my property values, on the brink of a comeback in light of this. I have no problem with whatever "hardship" this may impose on the folks who are here illegally, and have been here illegally, and have no intent of becoming legal, that this new ordinance brings. As for the Concerned and Harry's out there, instead of letting us know how "evil" the rest of us in Escondido are, now would be a great time for you to open your doors wide and invite all the folks who will be displaced in to your homes. You both have such generous tales to tell, and I am sure neither one of you would mind an overcrowded home, cars parked on your lawn, music playing loudly for the whole block to hear, etc. Don't forget to apply for your business licenses before you start bringing 'em in!

Just The Facts wrote on Sep 30, 2006 7:50 AM:Mayor Pfeiler and Councilman Newman, if you are unsure illegal immigrants are sharing living space, use your tax payer car allowance money to drive around Escondido and talk to the people and ask them where they are from. Make sure though you bring someone with you who speeks spanish, because most of them do not speak english. To John Trasvina - Racial Profiling? I do'nt think Escondido has a problem of illegal immigration from Europe or Asia, but if we do, the rental ban will find them too! To Bill Flores - Escondido has no reputation except as a city that harbors illegal residents and gives them free health care and schooling. And Bill, were you around in 1882? because I don't think this Country has suffered any because the caring people of 1882 had the guts to make a stand on illegal immigration then. And finally, no one is going to be left homeless because of this, they can go to "Nasty City" and live in Nick's Hood.

Robert24 wrote on Sep 30, 2006 7:56 AM:I just read this article again, and saw the concern over the costs involved with enforcing this and with the potential loss of business from the mass exodus of the illegal population, assuming Escondido will follow in the same path as Hazleton and Riverside Township. Maybe we can start a fund to contribute to, which will offset this supposed loss of revenue! I think it is comical how people rationalize the cost of a group of illegal people, who do not pay taxes, send a portion of the non taxed pay they receive "home", use our services for free, do not have vehicle insurance, etc. but feel that we are going to suffer some great loss when they are gone! I am willing to take that gamble, in the name of getting this Country back. Again, great job Escondido, and Jeff Epp, for having the courage to take this on! Don't stop here, the whole Country is watching. Let's lead the way in showing that we can clean up and take our cities back! The American people have spoken!

Vista John wrote on Sep 30, 2006 8:08 AM:Something must be done that is a fact. This may not be the best idea but Americans have to start somewhere. The reason cities that are being taken over by other countries citizens is because, the officials in Washington have decided to do away with our borders. Some people are not going to agree with this and will want to stop the invasion of their nieghborhoods. Is their a fair middle ground? Well if someone has the answer please run for office and lets make this right for everyone. I always wonder why Mexico itself is never discussed as being held responsible for what we as people, living on border states, incurring this condition. Is there any legal way to force Mexico into helping with the overburdening of our cities services and responsibilities.

Danny wrote on Sep 30, 2006 8:49 AM:They came here illegally and therefore should not be allowed to live in this country, state, city, neighborhood. How hard is that to understand?

Walker wrote on Sep 30, 2006 8:54 AM:If Escondido wants to rent to legal citizens only then everyone who wants to rent should have to prove their legal status before they are allowed to rent. Yes, everyone. It's the only legal way to do this, anything else is racial profiling and therefore illegal.

The only MORAL obstacle wrote on Sep 30, 2006 9:08 AM:is the ILLEGAL immigrant who drains our resources, over fills our schools, take their kids to North County Health Services for free medical care, (paid for with checks from the state of CA), WIC not to mention all the churches who give them food. I hope Lori goes back home and we elect Tom D'Agosta. We need a mayor who will protect the LEGAL CITIZENS of Escondido.

To Walker from Peter wrote on Sep 30, 2006 9:10 AM:The law applies to everyone, just like all laws in this country do. Why would you think otherwise?

Concerned.... wrote on Sep 30, 2006 9:10 AM:We are writing checks anyway to support these blood sucking ILLEGAL aliens. You have NO idea how they rip off the system and how many people are willing to HELP them steal from us.

Pluto wrote on Sep 30, 2006 9:10 AM:The History Channel had a two-hour history of the Mexican American war on last night. I hope they have it on again, and that everyone watches and learns. People need to get their heads out of their comfortable conceits. Reality is bigger than that.

A Step In The Right Direction wrote on Sep 30, 2006 9:16 AM:I was actually pleased when Mayor Nick Inzunza made recent comments declaring National City a sanctuary for illegal immigrants. I believe that an overwhelming majority of Citizens and Legal Residents of Escondido, and the Nation, would agree that an “Air Head Liberal Idea” such as that, is a "Step In the Right Direction", which is SOUTH of Escondido, and closer to the Border.

anotherview wrote on Sep 30, 2006 9:29 AM:America can get along without illegal aliens. I applaud the Escondido city officials for looking to the city's interests in the matter of housing. Overcrowding of housing obviously leads to other problems, as the article notes. An ordinance to stop the renting of housing to illegal aliens, however, represents only another band-aid to the problem of illegal immigration. The illegal aliens will not return to their home countries, but simply move elsewhere. The U. S. Congress can pass a law, with teeth, prohibiting employers from hiring illegal aliens. Without a job prospect, the illegal aliens now here would tend to self-deport, and the foreign nationals would tend not to come here. Not only the housing problem, but the host of other negative social, economic, and political impacts fostered by the presence of illegal aliens would moderate. The number of criminal illegal aliens would drop. The burden on local, state, and federal budgets would ease. This debate has not ended. Contact your federal elected officials to urge a federal ban on hiring illegal aliens, and to say no to amnesty for illegal aliens. America can get along just fine without illegal aliens.

History Lesson 4 Flores wrote on Sep 30, 2006 9:36 AM:For many decades in the late 1800's, the US had a treaty with China to allow free travel of Chinese in the US, particularly California, and of American in China. Unfortunately, Chinese Americans fails to assimilate and fell into isolated communities of poverty. Congress passed the Chinese exclusion act to prevent the problems associated with failed assimilation, and the Supreme Court upheld the act. Similar restrictions exist to this day and have widespead support of the American people. The only way to effectively take part in the "American Dream" is to embrace it. Assimilation into the legitimate economic structures of the US is key to embracing the American Dream. The legitimate American immigration scheme has three main immiration channels: sponsored immigration, immigration based on relation, and diversity immigration based on a lottery. Recent illegal immigrants from Mexico are falling into the same poeverty trap of the early Chinese immigrants by not assimilating into the legitimate economic structure of the US. That is why the Clinton administration passed the Welfare Reform bill to dissuade such immigration. And that is why Congess enacted the harboring prohibition to discourage illegitimate immigration channel.

2 Frida wrote on Sep 30, 2006 9:47 AM:Legal defense cost are not disclosed to the public. (How much has the Crowe case cost the City?) The ACLU has announced that any city that passes this type of ordinance will be sued. Part of their strategy is to make it too expensive for cities to enforce this type of otherwise legitimate ordinance. In support of the ACLU strategy, Neuman wants to set up a rental ordinance 'clock' similar to the US national debt clock, in order to undermine Escondido's legal defense of the ordinance!

Jon B. wrote on Sep 30, 2006 9:47 AM:I see problems. Lets say someone complains about a tenant who is on a one year lease. I ask the tenant to prove he is legal. Tenant tells me to pound sand, as he can, because that obligation is not in the rental contract. I get burned as a landlord. This thing is a knee jerk reaction. Ill conceived and poorly executed. Judges are going to have a field day with this one. But the politicians did their grandstanding, got on TV and made some brownie points.

Newman's Police Fraternity wrote on Sep 30, 2006 9:58 AM:Newman went ballistic when Gallo asked what is the price of the life of Officer Tony Zeppetella--murdered by an illegal immigrant. Newman claims a special dispensation on police matters based on his membership in the police fraternity. An exclusive fraternity indeed. The Escondido web site recruits only select members of the community to be police officers! 'The ideal candidate will: Be a citizen of the United States or a permanent resident alien who is eligible for and has applied for U.S. citizenship prior to application for employment.'

Response to Concerned wrote on Sep 30, 2006 10:01 AM:A landlord should voluntarily check the immigration status BEFORE a complaint is filed. Otherwise, the illegal immigrant gets free rent until evicted!

Toothless Tiger wrote on Sep 30, 2006 10:05 AM:This ordinance will be virtually worthless! The only way a complaint will be valid is if the illegal immigrant confesses, or a family member or close friend makes the complaint. The landlord is not going to make a complaint against his or her interest!

Real American wrote on Sep 30, 2006 10:15 AM:If Ed Gallo, Sam Abed and specially Marie Waldron had some brains, they would call this issue “HOUSING CODE ENFORCEMENT” or something like that. Instead they take the opportunity to turn it into their personal agendas. They say “is not a racist agenda”, “I am not racist”, “is not about race” “they can not call me racist” etc, etc. (we all know Marie’s reputation) they can say all they want. The bottom line is, their actions really look like racism to me and it only fuels the extremist groups such as the M&M’s (minutemen) On the other hand, if they had a brain they could be dangerous. Escondido is going to turn into a city divided by profiling and racist attacks, is that what we want for Escondido?

To a Step in the Right Direction from "I wonder why?" wrote on Sep 30, 2006 10:33 AM:Could it be possible The Mayor of National City made that statement in order to fill the vacancies in the slum rentals he owns there??

YAY wrote on Sep 30, 2006 10:42 AM:If they are not legal, OUT! The border is not that far away and they should look to their own government for help. I wouldn't be able to live in another country without being legal. And why should I have to live in a crappy neighborhood brought down by people who could care less what their yard looks like. They don't respect the hand that feeds them. GO!

3 Day Notice wrote on Sep 30, 2006 10:52 AM:A landlord can use a 3-day notice if the tenant fails to pay rent, or has used the rental property for an unlawful purpose. Harboring is an unlawful purpose. 30 days notice is needed to evict without cause. The 60-day notice law expired on 1/1/06.

Larry wrote on Sep 30, 2006 11:01 AM:Are there not already laws relating to the number of people permitted in a rental unit in relation to the square footage of the apartment? And if so, why has that not been enforced? Another consideration is that the standard of living for a single person in So Cal is $3000.00 per month. in a 170 hour work week that is equal to a wage of almost $18.00 per hour. Who is getting paid? When labores and production employees are being laid off and exexutives are been paid bonus of $200,000.00-what kind of equity is that? Is there a revolution on the horizion, or what?

Black's Law Dictionary wrote on Sep 30, 2006 11:31 AM:harboring, n. The act of affording lodging, shelter, or refuge to a person, esp. a criminal or illegal alien.

Escondeeter wrote on Sep 30, 2006 11:45 AM:Here's what's going to happen: The ACLU will go judge shopping, locating some addle-headed Clinton appointee who'll enjoin the city from acting under the ordinance. The city will then take an appeal, and will get in line with all the other cities with similar ordinances for the trip to the Supremes. Figure three to four years before there's any result. If there's any action in the meantime it'll come from Council members prodding city Code Enforcement into proactively applying the city's current ordinances.

to peter from Walker wrote on Sep 30, 2006 12:29 PM:No, you are wrong. Only after a written complaint is filed would a landlord have to prove that the tenant is legally here. If there is no complaint, then no proof is asked for. I'm saying that to make this fair, everyone should have to submit proof before they are allowed to rent in Escondido.

Ed wrote on Sep 30, 2006 1:12 PM:The cost of this ordinance wouldn't be too high, IF, the Federal Government, the Border Patrol, and the rest of the Department of Homeland Security were doing their job... WHERE IS THE BORDER PATROL???

Al wrote on Sep 30, 2006 1:43 PM:We should all suport this ordiance. It is the right thing to do. These people are ILLEGAL! It is the first step to coverting central EscoMexcico into Escondido, to improving the much taranished image of this town within the San Diego community as a refuge for low-income, Spanish-speaking ILLEGAL's who DO NOT ASSIMILATE into American society. They came here ILLEGALLY and live her ILLEGALLY. Send them away. I'll vote out any council member or the mayor next election if they don't vote for this on Wednesday.

About Time wrote on Sep 30, 2006 1:55 PM:We need lawmakers to step to the plate and show some backbone. We also need to crack down on employers of ILLEGAL aliens and prevent more from entering the country. We must take care of LEGAL americans first, as this is our country.

John wrote on Sep 30, 2006 1:59 PM:Thank you Waldron, Abed, and Gallo!!! We all support you and these ban. It's about time!

vistajoyce wrote on Sep 30, 2006 2:36 PM:the only reason Escondido is a city divided is because our has government allowed a flood of "illegal aliens" into Escondido and all the other southern Califronia towns until the LEGAL citizens are outnumbered. And they call it " A city divided" yeah right

John wrote on Sep 30, 2006 2:51 PM:Sick, sick, sick. If these are American values at work they aren't worth much.

Marie Waldron and her compadres wrote on Sep 30, 2006 2:55 PM:Marie Waldron and her compadres are heros to everyone in this nation that believes in fairness, and doing what is right for the citizens of their communities. It would be much easier for them to stay quiet and go with the status quo. Because of communities like Hazelton, Vista, Escondido and many others finally jumping onboard, the ACLU and other missguided groups will have nothing but an expensive, uphill battle on this issue on many fronts, and for some time to come. Additionally, I won't ever contribute to the ACLU again because of their stance on this issue alone. The old ACLU would be making headlines fighting against troubling aspects of the Patriot Act, the dissarming of legal gun owners and their ability to defend themselves in their own homes in the aftermath of Katrina, and especially 1st, 2nd, and 4th ammendment rights in general. The "new" ACLU has been hijacked and think that by pandering to illegals, their contributions will swell. Oop's, bad call. It's just a matter of time before such ordinances are written in a "bulletproof" fashion and shared and repeated accross the nation. Thank you Marie Waldron and like minded city council members for taking a stand. Thank you for standing up and doing the right thing. To the illegals: Breaking into a neighbors country and refusing to leave, while calling yourselves victims are typical of a people that possess no pride. You don't believe me? Step outside and look around, see all of that trash and graffiti? No pride. That's a pretty good indicator of your groups mindset and exactly why you're being asked to leave. Maybe, if you were good respectfull neighbors.... oh, never mind, usted no intiende

Real American wrote on Sep 30, 2006 3:03 PM:If Ed Gallo, Sam Abed and specially Marie Waldron had some brains, they would call this issue “HOUSING CODE ENFORCEMENT” or something like that. Instead they take the opportunity to turn it into their personal agendas. They say “is not a racist agenda”, “I am not racist”, “is not about race” “they can not call me racist” etc, etc. (we all know Marie’s reputation) they can say all they want. The bottom line is, their actions really look like racism to me and it only fuels the extremist groups such as the M&M’s (minutemen) On the other hand, if they had a brain they could be dangerous. Escondido is going to turn into a city divided by profiling and racist attacks, is that what we want for Escondido?

Gary wrote on Sep 30, 2006 3:44 PM:AMERICAN VALUES DO NOT APPLY TO ILLEGAL ALIENS. Our own Constitution and Federal laws have provisions to deport or deny Illegal Aliens. We need to enforce the laws already on the books and just say no to illegal Aliens. The only right they should have, is the right to be Deported.

Skip wrote on Sep 30, 2006 3:54 PM:Hey NCT : This is how I would have titled the story : "ESCONDIDO ORDINANCE WOULD BAN RENTING TO ILLEGAL ALIENS".

To Real American wrote on Sep 30, 2006 4:54 PM:The ordinance says that a complaint is invalid and shall not be enforced if it is based on race. Quit crying racist because you cannot think of anything else to say.

Failure to Launch wrote on Sep 30, 2006 5:01 PM:My children are newly minted adults. I would like for them to stay in Escondido rather than move to Riverside County. The no vacancy signs will not be up very long.

to 3 Day Notice wrote on Sep 30, 2006 5:11 PM:Thanks for your expertise, you obviously know ZERO about landlord tenant law. A three day notice is the first step in a complicated and generally expensive process. The 3 Day Notice can be given for violations of lease terms (such as violation of the law). Being a renter as an illegal alien is not a violation of the law. Anyone already in a rental would be grandfathered in. Being an illegal alien is illegal, but it is not a seperate offense to rent a housing unit. I can hear the howls from the minutemen right now, but rhetoric aside, as a legal matter it is not illegal. The ordinance makes it illegal for a landlord to rent to an illegal alian, it does not make it illegal for the tenant to rent. Do you see some problelms with this law??

Skip wrote on Sep 30, 2006 5:12 PM:Anyone using the following terms is an "immigration reform" scam artist: "Undocumented Persons" - removing "illegal" masks that the alien is a lawbreaker and sounds so much better! "Illegal Immigrants" - an oxymoron. Immigrants obey US laws by applying for and receiving a visa to enter the US. How can someone who obeys the law be "illegal?" "Migrants" - irrelevant to the immigration debate. An immigrant isn't automatically a migrant. As well, a US citizen can be a migrant, totally removing them from the immigration issue. That they intentionally use terms that confuse rather than clarify is automatically suspicious. They'll stop at nothing to stop public discussion of immigration issues. Those who insist on using clear and accurate terms will be intimidated with accusations of "racist", "xenophobic", "hate-mongers", "anti-immigrant", and "bigot", and the rest of their tired litany. In their attempts to manipulate American immigration policy and Americans' opinions, Hispanic-rights groups like MALDEF and LaRaza have dictated that the term "illegal alien" is a "racial slur." Baloney! "Alien" and "illegal alien" are terms found in federal immigration law describing both the individual and the violation.

L.C. wrote on Sep 30, 2006 5:56 PM:To Larry- NO there is no ordenance regarding the number of people living in one dwelling. I contacted the Code Enforcement Unit in San Marcos after three families moved into the 2 bedroom home next door & started dumping all their trash on my property. I was told there are no restrictions on how many people can live in a home & the only reason they would intervene would be if it created a health problem. I'm sorry but 10 people in one very small home IS a health disaster waiting to happen. Let's start taking care of the needs of AMERICANS instead of caring for the needs of "blood sucking" illegals!!!

To real American wrote on Sep 30, 2006 7:03 PM:Wake up. By calling the Minutemen "extremists" or thinking of them as racists or vigilantes only shows that you are 1.Out of touch with reality. 2. Lack any real arguments with merit regarding our (legal U.S. citizens) plight regarding illegal immigration. The Minutemen do nothing more than observe and report to the appropriate authorities that a crime against our nation is occurring, including details of location, time and description of those crossing our border without going through legal checkpoints. They do this with no compensation for their time and out of pocket expenses, and additionally, possibly place themselves in harms way. I consider them nothing less than patriots by aiding law enforcement that are stretched too thin. It's no different then a "Neighborhood Watch" program that focuses on illegal immigration. If that makes them "extremists", then your opinion makes you a "genius". Real American, what america are you referring to? My America is the U.S.A.

Re: Any official wrote on Sep 30, 2006 7:26 PM:From a code enforcement officer to a dog catcher, to your local deputy. The more eyes and ears the better. They'll start doing DUI checkpoints (Federal/state and MADD funded programs) and Drivers licence/insurance checkpoints as they do in other cities and the whole racial thing goes out window. Meanwhile, a whole lot of illegals are ensnared, vehicles are impounded, and the world slowly becomes a more beautiful place. The pendulum is FINALLY starting to swing in the right direction

Look to the Election wrote on Sep 30, 2006 7:49 PM:Citizens of Escondido.... Check out those running for Mayor and City Council seats in November! If they act like illegal immigration isn't hurting legal residents of Escondido - then DON'T VOTE FOR THEM. Many of the candidates for council are more concerned with the rights of the illegal aliens than with the rights of those they say they want to represent. Stop them now!

3 Day Notice II wrote on Sep 30, 2006 8:04 PM:Some have too narrow of a view of the conditions leading to overcrowding. Responsible landlords do not desire overcrowding in their housing units. Often a named tenant will bring in other 'tenants' without the knowledge or permission of the landlord. As set forth in the findings, the targeted illegal aliens often 'reside in dwelling units without typical leasing, payment, and other tenancy arrangements that enable the civil and regulatory processes of the this City to be effective.' The named tenant's informal tenancy arrangements lack 'written leases, records of rent receipts, and related documentation'. Some critics believe that illegal aliens who do not have any written tenancy arraignments will march into court to protect their rights as a tenant! Hogwash! Further, it is likely that the named tenant is not going to fight for the tenancy rights of the illegal aliens because that would expose the named tenant's illegal subletting activities, and would expose the tenant to enhanced federal criminal liability (up to 10 year imprisonment and/or fines) because the federal harboring offense 'was done for the purpose of commercial advantage or private financial gains.' The eviction process will be complicated and expensive only if a named tenant wants to fight for his or her 'right' to harbor an illegal alien. Finally, the ordinance does not make it illegal to rent to illegal aliens! It makes it illegal for an owner to harbor illegal aliens. Harboring is an unlawful act under Federal law. Soon it will be an unlawful act under Escondido municipal law if committed by an owner of a dwelling unit.

Al to Look to the Election wrote on Sep 30, 2006 8:21 PM:Right on! That's what I said e\in my ealier comment. VOte any councu\il members who don't vote for this ordinance to protect the welfare of teh USA FORM

Al to Look to the Election wrote on Sep 30, 2006 8:23 PM:Right on! Vote each one out if they don't vote for this needed ordinance.

TO ALL ILLEGAL ALIEN SYMPATHIZERS wrote on Sep 30, 2006 9:12 PM:I have a great idea to get all of your illegal alien buddy's' citizenship. One that I think even the hardened no immigration people would be behind. We take a vote and everyone writes their names under whether they support illegals are to become citizens or not. Those people who vote to allow them to become citizens have to support any and all services that are provided to the illegals and their families. If junior needs to go to the dentist you pay. When they pump out kids at a rate that is much higher then real Americans you pay the hospital. If illegal mom hits a guy with her car and has no insurance you fix it. When their kids get our $10,000 a year public school educations you pay. We could set up a trust fund that you pay into and all costs are billed directly to you. If you can't or don't pay then you are deported along with the illegal you are responsible for. Granted you will go broke doing this, but hey if that's what you want then you should foot the bill, not me. It so simple and how could you argue - you get what you want, and we get what we want. I did not vote for my tax dollars to go to third world people, who illegally broke into this country. R/ Skip

Roberto the Land Lord wrote on Sep 30, 2006 10:21 PM:This is nothing but political grandstanding and is like a chain link fence full of holes. Xenophobes throw numbers around like they know what they are talking about...I say where's the beef? Your unproven statistics don't show a ledger with a net cost (loss for you less educated) or gain (plus for you less educated) for the economy. Immigration reform isn't the discussion here, its a bunch of clueless grandstanding by America's moblie home association IMHO. A real diologue would discuss how to mange our economy without undocumented workers. Come on over and have me find out the legal resident status of working people...I'm waiting.

Tom wrote on Sep 30, 2006 11:00 PM:Roberto, Your an illegal alien lover who cares more about law breakers then Ameridcan citizens. You ccall us Xenophobes. Well here is one back at ya. Your a Xenoholic who does not when to say no to illegal invaders who work for salve wages that in turn bid down wages to hard working American citizens.

To Roberto the Less Educated wrote on Oct 1, 2006 12:21 AM:The issue is about enforcement, not immigration reform. Xenophobia is what Mexicans experience when an American goes to Mexico and tries to buy land. Mexican Xenophobia is enshrined in the Mexican Constitution. Mexican illegal aliens have quit worrying about working and now want to get involved in American national politics demanding amnestry under so-called comprehensive immigration reform. Now unsponsored illegal immigrants from Mexico go around waving Mexican flags claiming that the US stole California. Regarding statistics, as long a one Mexican 'peaceful' Reconguista advocate exists, I am vigorously against Mexican illegal immigration.

Roberto the Land Lord wrote on Oct 1, 2006 8:49 AM:To the less educated, The answer is somewhere in a a comprehensive immigration reform...not chain link fences, landlords being asked to to the job of the federal giverment, social security only for workers etc. Not a bunch of placebo filled redneck diatribe that has as many holes as a chain link fence.

Jay wrote on Oct 1, 2006 11:13 AM:It's about time. It's already a federal felony to aid and abet invaders, and renting to them is doing just that... it helps them to remain illegally in our country. Ferret 'em out, round 'em up, and deport their butts without hesitation. Once the dust settles Escondido will become a peaceful town with a low crime rate once again.

Al to Roberto wrote on Oct 1, 2006 11:40 AM:Xenophobes? I have a right to protect the culture and quality of living hed in America. I don't want it deteriating to the 3rd-world slum conditions of Mexico. Ny stopping the continued horde of ILLEGAL's into Escondido this will be the needed first step to cleaning-up EscoMexcio, It's the right thng to do for this town, for AMERICA. Why not criticze Mexico for it's army that is positioned along it's southern border with Central American to stop migrants entering Mexico for work? Why not criticize the ILLEGAL's for sending their money home to Mexico without paying US taxes while using free medical, schooling and social services for thier 6 babies? Why not criticize your Mexican brotheren for maintaining 3rd-world living standards? We don't want this crap any more.

John wrote on Oct 1, 2006 12:23 PM:If your a Mexican national unlawfully present in these united States, go back to Mexico.... and take a friend.

John wrote on Oct 2, 2006 5:17 AM:I rent a place here in Escondido.When I applied for the lease I was required to provide a list of past residences,referances 25 dollars for the credit check and a valid form of ID,also the deposit and first months rent.They actually contacted my employer to see if i was real.Do they even do this anymore?it would thin out the ranks considerably.

quinnie wrote on Oct 2, 2006 2:31 PM:Alright lets stop whinging and get down to business. How do you go about reporting someone? what profile fits an "illegal alien" hmmmmmm since this law allows people to snitch on other people how are you going to be able to come up with a valid complaint? "i saw this mexican lookin guy goign door to door looking for work" "i saw this guy standing next to carls jr he's obviously illegal" what is the criteria for reporting? HA HA HA you cannot report without the race issue creeping in. All complaints will be tossed. the system will fail and be bogged down. The wife and I are going with the "report everyone" approach. be prepared to produce your papers. if we can't stop this horrible law then we can slow it down to a snails pace and cost you precious taxpayers more money than its worth.

To John wrote on Oct 2, 2006 3:07 PM:Go by Elder Place. It is off of Mission between Grant Middle School and Fig. That will give you an idea of the type of landlord the City has to deal with in the Mission Park area!

Great News For Escondido! wrote on Oct 2, 2006 9:40 PM:Can't wait until this passes, can't wait! Long overdue! Every council member who votes for this gets my vote! Time to take back our city,and our country,from these law breakers and slum dwellers.

Why Rent To Undocumented? wrote on Oct 2, 2006 9:41 PM:Why would a landlord rent to an undocumented alien. No credit check! No ID! Why?

Lola wrote on Oct 3, 2006 10:57 AM:ignorant people why u think all illegal immigrants come from Mexico? hello? knock knock !!!It is really unconfortable when people refer to Mexicans as only illegal aliens. Hey we have illegal whities and asians and others..the waldron's proposition is escondido is just an ignorant proposition... if waldron, Abed, and gallo really want to improve the city. Why they don't give housing to the homeless people that live in Grape day park? Why instead of raising their salary they give food to those people in the park? illegal aliens at least pay for rent. The truth is that u don't like brown people and u are afraid that u will get contagious with our poverty. Good see u at my getho..by the way...I'm a US citizen with parents that came legaly to this country...but I'm poor..hope u get poor soon...because only real economists and real politicians should be running this country..if illegal aliens are intruders.what is our army in IraK? A guest? probably..because ignorant people want to see just what they want to see...but no hope u get into reality soon.

Shirell wrote on Oct 3, 2006 1:15 PM:As an African American woman I really don't see what the big issue is. Illegal means,illegal. You have not been identified as a legal resident because of the way you came in. Do it the rght way! African Americans were forced to come here in past years that started our citizenship no comparison at all. So stop using our bad situation for your own purposes. You can't come into my house and demand I allow you to stay. And I pay! NOPE. We have enough children to do the work that needs to be done for the correct, right pay. Our government needs to change the law about babies being born over here, it's done just to stay, not because they want children. Enter in the right way and stay, become legal. Laws, rules, standards are made for our protection, and thats that. Get right or get gone! City Council got my vote!

MARIBEL wrote on Oct 3, 2006 3:03 PM:What is next? Are these politicians not thinking about innocent children that will be left without a home are they going to be living in the street? What if that was their children? Next thing you now they are going to be out of an education! Did they forget that this is America the home of free. This country was built by immigrants and they are never going to get rid of illegal aliens.

carla wrote on Oct 3, 2006 4:02 PM:Shirell is right. Illegal is illegal! That means ANYONE who came ILLEGALLY qualifies. Just stand in line like most moral people who wants a better life and do the right thing. I agree with the City Council also. National City 's Mayor should be ousted, he's a lawbreaker and a disgrace to our national law. We can't harbor anyone who knowingly breaks the law of this country. It's to bad America doesn't do as the Chinese and Japanese or other country governments when it comes to handling lawbreakers. We are TOO free on alot of things.

native American extremist wrote on Oct 3, 2006 6:07 PM:hey the solution is start over..lets deport every single body those who have any part of immigrant..including those who are children of children of children of immigrants...I don't want anybody here.Lets see how they would come back hopefully all do it "legally" ..because this country is mine..the land you step on is mine, the air you breath is mine, the sky you looking at is mine...jejeje to be simple and clear all comments are as stupid as this one...

Stanley wrote on Oct 3, 2006 6:14 PM:I hope this ordinance catches on. Can you imagine the amount of illegals that would be kicked out if the city of Boston or NYC passed a similar ordinance? All those Irish would have no where to go, never mind the Russians. Anyone have an idea under this ordinance if the inn keeper who rented the manger to Mary & Joseph back in the day would have been fined? Hmm...does this make Christianity an illegal religion?

THIS SAYS IT ALL ...... wrote on Oct 3, 2006 8:08 PM:NCT POLL: Do you think renting to illegal immigrants should be outlawed? 89.9% YES , 8.2% NO , and 1.9% DON'T KNOW. Of the 378 people who voted, about 340 of them said NO to renting to Illegal Aliens. I am sure there is some room for error, but I think this poll and the amount of discussions about the Illegal Alien issues, are showing that American Citizens are getting fed up with their government over the lack of action in dealing with these problems.

Melissa wrote on Oct 3, 2006 8:31 PM:How long are these people going to hide behind their children? A lot of them come here just to have children and live off the system. If you allow the law breakers to go unpunished, then why not release all the people in prison that have children that are now suffering because their parents commited a crime and got punished? How long do the taxpayers have to keep paying for rising healthcare costs because illegal immigrants use hospital ER's as their family doctor's office? People are worried about their children, what about our children who don't get the neccesary programs in school because the money is going to teaching the children from illegal immigrants how to speak and read english. If you don't want the children to suffer, then tell the parents to come into this country legally.

To Melissa wrote on Oct 4, 2006 9:51 AM:Jesus said: Mark 10:14 Suffer the little children to come unto me and forbid them not, for of such is the kingdom of God.15 ... Mt 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea. Mt 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven." Melissa you might want to rethink your attitude toward the children or perhaps take up scuba diving with millstones, as a hobby.

To To Melissa wrote on Oct 4, 2006 12:46 PM:Quote scripture all you want. The fact remain that she is right. It is time for the these people and you to quit using their anchor babies as an excuse and to return to their own countries. We have no further sympathy for them or their kids. Maybe you should bethe one swimming with the millstone.

CHERIE wrote on Oct 4, 2006 1:42 PM:GOD ALSO GAVE PEOPLE THE SMARTS TO USE BIRTH CONTROL. TRY IT YOU'LL LIKE IT! lOTS BETTER THAN BRINGING IN YOUNG ONES INTO A POOR FAMILY PILED INTO A ONE BEDROOM HOUSE. I AM SICK OF THE ABUSE OF THE CHILDREN. THEY ONLY WANT THEM FOR LEGAL STATUS

L.C. wrote on Oct 4, 2006 1:44 PM:TO THE PERSON WRITING "TO MELISSA." Keep your religion OUT of these posts!!! It doesn't belong here.

R wrote on Oct 4, 2006 3:10 PM:I agree with Melissa, my daughter used to be in A.P. classes which THEY NO LONGER OFFER. My son who is smart also, has to sit in class with dummies because they no longer offer these programs. Can you imagine, being in junior high and NOT having any homework? I'm worried he won't be prepared fo high school.

Landlords stand by to loose your money! wrote on Oct 7, 2006 7:21 PM:With this new ordinance all landlords will struggle with money issues. No money to keep the apartments looking nice and clean. OOPS! Nevermind, since there won't be anybody there to cut your grass anyways.hahah. Think about this, I have seen bums on the street with no shelter and no food, yet you do not care not even a penny to spare. However you are willing to support a law that will make thousands homeless...what would you prefer? People in a home...or people on the street? you tell me! You say we take your jobs....NO!!! You are just lazy and want to be LAZY but getting paid $35 an hour. While an "Illegal alien" goes and does the most horrible jobs getting paid $6 an hour...do u still think we are bad....I sure Dont!!

Ruben wrote on Oct 13, 2006 9:08 PM:I challenge the 3 board members to put signs on their busnesses that they do not welcome the business of illegals print it in English and spanish and hang it high, they're hypocrits they'll never do it.

javier wrote on Oct 19, 2006 6:27 PM:is this for real i will be standing outside your house in this cold weather with my 2 american kids and you tell them whats up