John wrote on Oct 3, 2006 5:01 AM:Why the debate on something thats right.

Put the Blame Where It Belongs wrote on Oct 3, 2006 6:30 AM:I'm sick of the argument repeated by "El Groupo" saying that it is unfair to "throw..U.S. child citizens out on the street." The parents of these children CHOSE to put their kids in this position. They broke the law illegally coming to this country and, in doing so, placed their children at risk. Apparently, they felt that it was a risk worth taking. However, I'm not sympathetic when they get caught and now have to face the consequences. It's unfortunate that children are caught in the middle of this, BUT IT WAS THEIR PARENTS THAT DID IT TO THEM, NOT THE LEGAL CITIZENS. Let's put the blame where it belongs!

April wrote on Oct 3, 2006 7:08 AM:Why is it that all these "Groups" only try and protect the illegals? Why do they threaten lawsuits? Illegal is Illegal!! Maybe us Legal law abiding citizen should get together and threaten law suits for our cities are not abiding by the law. It is a "Shame and indecent" that I as a American have to put up with illegals breaking the law and nothing happening. Aren't my rights being violated. This vote and ban could be "historic" and many other cities will follow. Enough is Enough of these groups calling Racism,having a Legal immigrant as a neighbor is not the issue,it's having a law breaking "Person" is what is the problem and it's a huge shame that so many hispanics have thought this to be okay and are showing their children to disrespect the law, plain and simple. These parents would be prasied if they did the right thing, lead by example. Mexcio has many tourist areas where Americans spend the dollar and they could have a nice legal living in their country, but they choose the illegal way by comming here and draining our systems. Because nothing has been done in so many years they have spread the word and we now have this problem. Escondido NEEDS to raise up their standards and lead by example.

Robert24 wrote on Oct 3, 2006 7:12 AM:The great day is almost here when Escondido makes a stand and takes the first step in taking not only our City, but our Country back. Mr. Perez says that this is dividing our neighborhoods, but, in reality, the areas of Escondido where English is spoken rarely, if at all, is really where the division starts, as well as printing materials in spanish and other catering to a group of people who have decided not to fit in to American culture. I've said it before, and I'll say it again; if you are here legally, contributing to society and not just being a taker, and are trying to assimilate into this great country, welcome. If you are here illegally, and on the take for all of the freebies you can get, the ride is about to end. Great job, Escondido! Let's not stop here, let's keep going and lead the way in taking America back, and putting it back into the hands of the people who respect her and truly want to be here and make her our home.

Sue the UCLA and others wrote on Oct 3, 2006 8:05 AM:for Extorsion, and strecth and bend the RICCO act and go after them for that!

Sue the UCLA? wrote on Oct 3, 2006 9:05 AM:Where in this article is the University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA) getting involved in this dispute?

Pete wrote on Oct 3, 2006 9:28 AM:I believe its the ACLU, not the UCLA. This proposal should also include Vietnamese, Russian & other illegals in Escondido. Mexicans aren't the only ones entering the country illegally. Go ahead & ban the illegals, I don't know of anyone else who will rent the beat up houses with lousy plumbing. Good luck, Escondido.

NCT Calls Out The Mob wrote on Oct 3, 2006 9:32 AM:This article is call for mob action by local latino activists at 7 pm in Grape Day Park.

Mexican Mob Violence in Escondido wrote on Oct 3, 2006 9:49 AM:Last May 1st, a largely Mexican mob threw rocks at the Escondido police, and one person was stabbed in Grape Day Park. For a time, the mob blocked major intersections and attempted to march onto the freeway. The NCTimes buried this mob violence at the end of a long article under the headline 'Local Latinos pleased with protest participation'. Now the NC Times, in a front page article, has called out the same mob tonight at 7 pm at the same location. Any additional violence by this mob will be the responsibility of the NCTimes!

Try Again! wrote on Oct 3, 2006 10:01 AM:What does the University of California at Los Angeles have to do with this? Are you sure you don't mean the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU)? A "RICO" (Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations) Act claim cannot exist in the absence of criminal activity. The simplest way to put this concept is: no crime - no RICO violation. This rule applies even in the context of civil RICO claims. Every RICO claim must be based upon a violation of one of the crimes listed in 18 U.S.C. § 1961(1). During the 1990's, the federal courts, guided by the United States Supreme Court, engaged in a concerted effort to limit the scope of RICO in the civil context. As a result of this effort, civil litigants must jump many hurdles and avoid many pitfalls before they can expect the financial windfall available under RICO, and RICO has become one of the most complicated and unpredictable areas of the law. It's spelled "extortion" and that won't fly either.

To El Grupo Sin Nombre wrote on Oct 3, 2006 10:41 AM:I will be their with you at Grape Day Park today and tommorrow supporting you and the rights of all the illegal immigrants. God Bless Latinos & their rights!!!!

Doglover wrote on Oct 3, 2006 11:31 AM:I agree the root problem here and in much of the border states is illegal immigration and it must be addressed at the federal level (though I'm not holding my breath.) I sympathize with the frustration that drives ordinances like this - many neighborhoods are being overrun, it's that simple. However, I don't think this is the right approach. It makes no sense to stick landlords with the burden of immigration enforcement. How can every landlord be expected to suddenly take on the role of border patrol? And anyway, what is the real problem we are trying to address? It's neighborhood overcrowding, right? Doesn't matter if people are brown, white, black, purple, legal or illegal - it there are 20 of them living in a three bedroom house, that's clearly a code violation, right? We have existing laws to address that, so let's use the existing laws without creating another divisive and unenforcable ordinance. It shouldn't be that hard for code enforecment to really crack down on this stuff. Drive around the neighborhoods - see those houses with 5-10 cars jammed in the driveway and on the lawn, and with the mountains of overflowing trash on trash day? Those might be good places to start looking for code violations.

el grupo wrote on Oct 3, 2006 11:56 AM:the police will be waiting for you. All we are trying to do is to enforce the current law. The parts of town that are affected are like a slum. If you el grupo people would be "clean" and work, get educated, pay for your health benefits we really wouldn't care....you turn this city into a slum and we see it getting worse. So go back home to Mexico.

el grupo wrote on Oct 3, 2006 12:06 PM:God bless latinos and their rights? they have no rights if they are not US citizens. Hello! That is what we are trying to get thru your thick uneducated skull....

Wish I could wrote on Oct 3, 2006 12:16 PM:go to that meeting but would have to bring my daughter...and don't trust the latino gang bangers. I am sure that they will do "stupid" stuff again like throwing rocks, fighting with police, destroying other peoples property, jumping on cars just like the last riot.... hmmmmm isn't it obvious why we want them to be shipped back to mexico?

Robert24 wrote on Oct 3, 2006 12:23 PM:To "To El Grupo Sin Nombre"; please make sure that you stand with the group of legal Latinos, as they are the only ones who have earned the rights you speak of! If you happen to be standing with a group of ILLEGALS, there are no rights, and your time is spent in vain. Make sure that you also speak out against the ILLEGAL actions of the ILLEGALS who may be there also. This will bring validity to your time spent, and to the fact that you are here legally (you are here legally, aren't you?). Oh, wait, your post specifically said "the rights of all illegal immigrants". I guess you just don't get it, do you?

legal citizen wrote on Oct 3, 2006 12:51 PM:Rather it is illegally in the country,driving illegal,anything illegal should be punished.If in the country illegally, send them home.What happens to a citizen that does something illegal?Depending on the crime,not enough.When they are allowed cell phones.Anyone illegal should not receive just a slap on the hands.

Vista John wrote on Oct 3, 2006 12:54 PM:Good Bye Illegals! You can always move on like Alejandra an Illegal immigrant that applied to become an American did. Her words! Her sister Alejandra was the first to leave. In Los Angeles, she and her husband were barely able to make ends meet. As in Mexico, "there was little work and it's poorly paid," she said. Eight years ago, she and her family moved to Kentucky, where a friend said there was more work and were fewer Mexican immigrants bidding down the wages for unskilled jobs. In Kentucky, Alejandra picked tobacco. The work was hard and she didn't know the language. But soon, life improved. Over the years, she invited her siblings to join her. One sister married a man who managed a Golden Corral, a chain of all-you-can-eat buffets. Soon several Magdaleno siblings were working in Golden Corrals. Their husbands found work installing windows and as farm-labor contractors. They went to night school to learn English because few people in Lexington speak Spanish. Today, the Magdalenos in Lexington earn more than they did in Los Angeles, in a city where the cost of living is lower. Kentucky is now their promised land, and they talk about California the way they used to talk about Mexico. What we weren't able to do in many years in California," Alejandra said, "we've done quickly here. "We're in a state where there's nothing but Americans. The police control the streets. It's clean, no gangs. California now resembles Mexico — everyone thinks like in Mexico. California's broken." Just replace this part here with Escondido is broken and the City Council plans to fix it.

Pamela wrote on Oct 3, 2006 12:56 PM:What part of illegal is not being understood. This is not about racism! It is about people observing and respecting our laws. About being a citizen who does not take but gives back to the community and is a LAWFUL immigrant who wants to be an American. Not a mexican, irish-born, cuban illegal immigrant..but an AMERICAN citizen. It's the ILLEGAL part that is wrong...not the people. We need more laws, more extraditions, stronger borders, law observing respectful LEGAL citizens.

Tom wrote on Oct 3, 2006 1:42 PM:What other laws do want to ignore. I dont think stealing should be illegal, i would like to take what ever i want and not pay for it any more.

Tom wrote on Oct 3, 2006 1:43 PM:Illegal means not legal, not allowed its the opposite of legal. Anything illegal has some sort of punishment. Is this clear to the law breakers?

Send the Border Patrol wrote on Oct 3, 2006 2:04 PM:Vans in they will all be at Grape Day Park, 48 Border Patrol vans running south to the border should clean up the rental problem!

L.C. wrote on Oct 3, 2006 2:15 PM:TO PUT THE BLAME WHERE IT BELONGS:Thank you! I totally agree with your statement. Hopefully more cities will enforce ordenance like this one. ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL!!!

Wayne wrote on Oct 3, 2006 2:36 PM:Landlords have no business being the enforcement arm of Immigration Law. Holding a Landlord liable to boot out tenants that don't meet legal resident status is the job of the Enforcement Agencies we already have in place that are tasked with and trained to enforce Immigration Law. That is but ONE thing for which our tax dollars are collected. Enforcing Immigration Law as part of Employer hiring practices is a whole other issue ....and we do a pretty poor job of that already and these people want to waste tax payer dollars and levy actin against a Landlord ? What next ... stamp bar codes on everyone's forehead so we can recognize those who taxes are paid in full ? And since when did illegals only live in the seedy side of town ? Or is it OK for someone to be "illegal" if they are affluent ? There are plenty of other perfectly legal residents living in the seedier sides of town all across the country. And creating dumb ordinances won't fix that problem either.

L.C. wrote on Oct 3, 2006 3:50 PM:I would also like to thank all the illegals (& illegal supporters) who protested back in May because your actions "opened the eyes" of many Americans as to the devastating illegal alien problem in this country. Now Americans can choose to VOTE OUT those politicians who support illegal immigration & the illegal aliens can take their flags back to their country!

Flanders wrote on Oct 3, 2006 3:59 PM:According to the article the landlords will not be forced to do backround checks, but rather they will just give the info to the city, who will pass it to the feds to determine if the renter is allowed to be in this country. To me this seems like a no-brainer. Isn't this what the government is supposed to do - create and enforce the laws to protect citizens? Now if only Poway would follow in Escondido's footsteps before its too late...

A.C.E. wrote on Oct 3, 2006 5:01 PM:Just wait and see what happens when the first American Citizen is denied a rental because a scared landlord thinks the potential renter "might" be illegal. The City and the Landlord will be sued so fast your heads will spin. I predict is will happen within the first week the ban is in place.

John wrote on Oct 3, 2006 5:32 PM:Escondido has a chance to clean up the city, lets see if they follow through and pass this. Also shouldn't border patrol be at this rally deporting people? Oh wait that would be smart and we don't do that.

billy wrote on Oct 3, 2006 6:04 PM:The ACLU has been defending the taliban, alqueda and child molestors for years. The ACLU is actively trying to remove all signs of christianity throughout america at the same time preserving other religions. The ACLU is pushing for gay marriage and gay adoption. The ACLU is defending illegal aliens nationwide, they are promoting open boarders and state our consitution applies to all even illegal aliens.

PJ wrote on Oct 3, 2006 6:04 PM:The article states the El Grupo members call the ordinance a "shame and indecent"....I'll tell you what shame and indecent is and it's vast numbers of illegal, uneducated, impoverished, reproducing at a "rabbit's pace" people that care nothing about assimilating into American culture. Their neighborhoods and homes are a shame and indecent and they've turned this town and state into another example of "shame in indecent". The fact they expect every freebie that comes down the pike is shameful and indecent. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS...VAST NUMBERS OF POOR, IMPOVERISHED,UNEDUCATED PEOPLES THAT CARE NOTHING ABOUT ASSIMILATION ARE NEVER A GOOD THING FOR A COUNTRY!!!!!

bob wrote on Oct 3, 2006 6:21 PM:The ACLU has tried to legalize child pornography(new york vs ferber 458 us 747). This orgainization is trying to destroy this country from within without weapons and without a war. The ACLU was founded by a communist.

Chris wrote on Oct 3, 2006 6:55 PM:Good luck to Escondido in getting this law passed! You've got a lot of support throughout the country.

Go Home El Grupo wrote on Oct 3, 2006 10:00 PM:,,back to Mexico. Put your energy into cleaning-up your home country. We don't want you here.

Al wrote on Oct 3, 2006 10:03 PM:I hope the Minute Men are well represented at the council meeting on Wednesday. They have helped to bring the publics attention to needed changes like this ordinace. Good job MM!

Country Club Resident wrote on Oct 3, 2006 10:21 PM:I just returned from listening to the candidates all speak at a local forum. I must admit I was expecting to be impressed with Marie, but it didn't turn out that way. First she was late and then she showed up with a police escort. Is she afraid of us? Senior citizens from the Country Club? Are we paying our cops to escort her around? The only thing she can talk about is how bad Escondido is and how the whole city is run down. Isn't she the one who has been running the city for eight years? She was the least impressive candidate. In fact I'm glad I got to hear her speak. She's just a bunch of hot air.

Your Commie Friend wrote on Oct 4, 2006 4:49 PM:Hey you stupids get your facts strraight...according to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights no human is considered illegal by any government...illegal is only a term being used by the regular and pathetic folks like you...so if you discriminate against any illegal you're not following the international laws between nations...no human being being is illegal...i just wish the world would turn border-free and that will only happen if the world turned Communist...and I hope that all "illegals" will turn socialists and demand change not only in the US but in the whole world as well...May the Revolution begin!!!