Rental ban opponents boycott councilman's business
By: PAUL EAKINS - Staff Writer | ∞
Students from CET Training Employment Center protest during their lunch hour in front of the Mobile gas station owned by Sam Abed on Midway Drive and Valley Parkway in Escondido on Thursday.
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ESCONDIDO ---- Opponents of an ordinance approved Wednesday night by Escondido's City Council, which will ban landlords from renting to illegal immigrants, have taken the fight to Councilman Sam Abed's doorstep.
About 10 a.m. Thursday, protesters began gathering at a Mobil gas station owned by Abed at East Valley Parkway and Midway Drive as part of what they said would be a two-week boycott of the business. Organizers said the boycott will last until Oct. 18, when the City Council will make a final vote on the ordinance.
Standing on the sidewalks along both streets in front of the station, the protesters held signs that read, "Sam Abed is dividing the community" and "Owner Sam Abed is intolerant," and encouraged drivers entering the gas station not to buy gas there. Abed was one of three council members, along with Marie Waldron and Ed Gallo, to vote in favor of the measure.
"This is economics class for Mr. Abed," said Daniel Perez, a community activist who organized the boycott. "We're going to tell him this is what happens when you remove half of the people in the city."
While the protesters received many honks of support from drivers passing by, several people stopped Thursday to buy gas at Abed's business.
In fact, business has increased since the protesters began the boycott over the weekend, Abed said Thursday. He said he had received dozens of calls and e-mails from people who said they planned to buy their gas at Abed's station in support of him and the ordinance.
Abed said the protesters were exercising their democratic rights and that he wasn't bothered by the boycott, although he said the protest had little to do with his business.
"The issue is not about Sam or Sam's business, the issue is about a decision I made that is in the best interest of the city and the citizens of Escondido," Abed said.
Katie Schutz of Escondido said she decided to buy gas at the Mobil station Thursday in support of the ordinance.
"I saw the signs, and I don't even need that much gas, but I'm kind of glad everything happened the way it did," Schutz said. "I'll buy gas every day here if I need to."
However, Saul Fonseca of Escondido said he hadn't realized why the protesters were on the corner as he filled up his car's gas tank. If he had known, Fonseca said, he wouldn't have patronized the gas station because he doesn't support the ordinance.
"I don't understand these people (on the City Council). I don't understand why they don't live in peace," Fonseca said. "They (the illegal immigrants) have to go to work, but where are they going to live?"
Escondido resident Jose Duenas said as he bought gas that he doubted the ordinance would actually take effect, but that protesters should concentrate their energies elsewhere.
"I think the best way is to attack him directly over there (at City Hall), not at the gas station, because a lot of Latinos work here, too," Duenas said, adding he thought the boycott could affect the employees' jobs.
A little before noon, Perez was confronted by a man walking past who said he opposed the group's boycott and thought the council's decision had been the right one. The man, Eric, who didn't want his last name used, said he owns a condominium near the gas station and that Abed has been a responsible business owner.
"I think this is ridiculous," he said after talking to Perez. "I've lived here. I've known people that work here. This man (Abed) is not racist."
Contact staff writer Paul Eakins at (760) 740-5420 or peakins@nctimes.com.
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Sam wrote on Oct 5, 2006 2:23 PM:This sounds like the Orange County boycotts against counsel members and it back fired because the counsel members and their Minutemen started demonstration against the leaders of the demonstrations. The leasers better hide thier indentety that's for sure
Robert24 wrote on Oct 5, 2006 2:26 PM:I have bought my fuel from the same gas station since the '70's, but I will now be purchasing fuel from Mr. Abed's station as long as there are protesters there. This will be an economics class for Mr. Perez; we will show him what happens when you threaten to hold the legal citizens of Escondido hostage with threats and support for illegal aliens. Again, thank you Mr. Abed, and Marie Waldron and Ed Gallo for your strength and backbone in helping to cleanse Escondido of the overcrowding and illegal activity that Mr. Perez seems so proud of, and willing to protect. Maybe Mr. Perez should take his enthusiasm and great ideas down to Mexico and start on that government before he takes on ours.
An Opportunity wrote on Oct 5, 2006 2:27 PM:I have often wondered why the INS doesn't use these protests as opportunites to round up all the ILLEGAL people that attend them. American citizens have the RIGHT to protest in our country - not people that are here ILLEGALLY! If these people have the will power to protest, and feel they are being "wronged" in our country by being forced to with hold our LAWS, then why don't they turn that same energy into fighting for civil rights in their OWN country? I WANT MY COUNRTY BACK, and obviously, by the overwhelming majority of comments on this blog - everyone does! Hold tough Sam!
Patriot wrote on Oct 5, 2006 2:27 PM:Wasn't aware he owned that business. I'll be by there soon to fill up.
Former Resident wrote on Oct 5, 2006 2:29 PM:If I still lived there, I would head over to Mr. Abed's Mobile and buy a tank of gas and a bag of munchies right now. Go Sam! Esco needs you.
Fred wrote on Oct 5, 2006 2:37 PM:ooooooooooooooooo protesters !!! how about a big B...D. I'll be filling up at that station first chance I get
crazyone wrote on Oct 5, 2006 2:49 PM:Dear Mr. Abed, please rest assured that although they may protest. You have many people who are backing you. You have many loyal customers. We know you aren't a racist. It only goes to show how ignorance can be misleading.
TODAY AS OUR POPULATION REACHES 300 MILLION wrote on Oct 5, 2006 2:55 PM:The United States is welcoming to legal immigrants. Illegal aliens are not immigrants by definition. The U.S. accepts more lawful immigrants every year than the rest of the world combined. Although some illegal aliens enter this country for a better life, there are 6 billion people on this planet. At least 1 billion of those live on less than one dollar a day. If wanting a better life is a valid excuse to break the law and sneak into America, then let's allow those one billion to come to America and we'll turn the USA into a Third World nation overnight. Besides, there are 280 million native born Americans who want a better life. The nation's population has nearly doubled since 1950, and the count is expected to hit 300 million in October, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. By 2050, the figure is projected to top 419 million. As the U.S. population increases, the link between population and the country's environmental capacity – its water supply, farmland, fisheries and other natural resources is becoming increasingly strained. What is racist about wanting secure borders and a secure America? What is racist about not wanting people to sneak into America and steal benefits we have set aside for legal aliens, senior citizens, children and other legal residents? What is it about race that entitles people to violate our laws, steal identities, and take the American Dream without paying the price?
fedup wrote on Oct 5, 2006 2:56 PM:Sure, the pro-illegal crowd, which includes ILLEGALS, will stoop to this level as they have no legal avenue to do anything else! Thank you to Sam Abed for having the common sense and backbone to vote the only way that will protect the LEGAL residents of this country! We need to return the favor and buy products from Mr. Abeds' business as the mr dan perez has his "economics" class mixed up with his "legal" class. Come on, wveryone keep the "pro-legal" movment going!
esteban wrote on Oct 5, 2006 2:57 PM:Where is this station???? I will buy my gas there from now on...even if it's too far to drive!!!!!
AResident wrote on Oct 5, 2006 3:01 PM:"This is economics class for Mr. Abed," said Daniel Perez, a community activist who organized the boycott. "We're going to tell him, this is what happens when you remove half of the people in the city." In an ealier article. The Hispanic population was 42% in Escondido. Is Perez saying the 21% of the Hispanic population is Illegal? If so, the INS better get busy. That's alot of illegal's if that is true. Most of them don't drive anyway.
NATIONAL CITY WANTS YOUR BUSINESS wrote on Oct 5, 2006 3:02 PM:National City: The self proclaimed "Illegal Alien Sanctuary city" Wants your business. Also as of this week they have the highest Sales tax of any city in San Diego County. National City sales tax rose this week to 8.75%.
Gary in Murrieta wrote on Oct 5, 2006 3:05 PM:Even though I live in Murrieta, I will stop at Mr. Abed's Gas Station for a fill up this week. You see both sides can play this game, as boycotts almost never work.
Go figure wrote on Oct 5, 2006 3:06 PM:What a cheap shot against Mr. Abed. If you have issues with the city council, go protest at city hall. This is totally chicken and creepy.
Gas Station Owner wrote on Oct 5, 2006 3:11 PM:Dear everyone...I also own a gas station in town. I support the ban. Can you please protest an front of my station so the news can photograph my store???????
Mike wrote on Oct 5, 2006 3:11 PM:thanks for letting us know this is Sam's station. I'll be over after work to fill 'er up!!
Escondido wrote on Oct 5, 2006 3:21 PM:I know where I will be filling up from now on! ESCONDIDO ROCKS!!!
I don't believe: wrote on Oct 5, 2006 3:23 PM:There are enough knuckle heads in esc to keep his business alive. Good luck.
Matt wrote on Oct 5, 2006 3:23 PM:Fred's comment is funny. It reveals a strange hypocrisy. Republicans have a long tradition of hating all "protestors", because they normally associate protests with environmentalists or animal rights activists, etc. But of course the Minutemen are protestors!
grayfox1930 wrote on Oct 5, 2006 3:28 PM:It is too bad there are not more clear thinking Americans. This invastion of our country will destroy us and the OPEN BORDER crowd are too stupid to see the writing on the wall. I wish we had some like you in Oregon but maybe when Ron Saxtion becomes Governor and retires Governor Colonoscopy we too will return to sanity. Keep it up and step it up
Angela wrote on Oct 5, 2006 3:31 PM:I am proud of Mr. Abed. He is working for the voting citizens, as it should be. I definitly will be filling up at his station.
To Esteban wrote on Oct 5, 2006 3:32 PM:I too am buying all of my gas and my families gas at this station!
I just hope they wrote on Oct 5, 2006 3:35 PM:have enough sense to not block the driveways. It could be the ole Vista jail is going to be standing room only tonight!
Citizen wrote on Oct 5, 2006 3:37 PM:From what I'm seeing, most of the anger and hatred that is dividing our communities is coming from the protesters. They use spiteful words like "racist" with the specific goal of generating an emotional response and turning us against each other. We have become so politically correct and afraid of offending anyone that we are expected to back down anytime somebody plays the race card. How about we play the law card. If you are here illegally, you are a criminal. If you harbor illegals, you are aiding and abetting. I'm not a racist, but I am a law abiding citizen and expect my elected officials to be the same. Way to go Sam Abed and the Escondido City council -
Need Gas wrote on Oct 5, 2006 3:41 PM:I Have a Motorhome and a SUV, I will start getting my GAS at Sam's business starting today. I will go out of my way and waste fuel in order to buy Gas from Sam. Way to Go Sam.
American by Birth...Patriot by Choice wrote on Oct 5, 2006 3:45 PM:Way to go protesters...thanks for pointing this out to me...now I have a new station to fill up at and will make the drive across town to do it...I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!
Concerned wrote on Oct 5, 2006 3:47 PM:What really scares me is how may people don't get it. Look at Kathy here, back to the hatred and racist propaganda. Do they even examine the facts? This is not a merky, gray area folks. Look at the numbers (fiscal and population). Does Kathy and her ilk really want to live in a third world country? It's like that poster: "I see stupid people...I see stupid people everywhere...most of them don't even know they are stupid.
Sam I will drive across town wrote on Oct 5, 2006 3:48 PM:and pay MORE to fill up at your gas station. AND I will tell everyone else to also!!!!! GO TEAM!!!!
Yes! wrote on Oct 5, 2006 3:48 PM:I am going straight there after work to fill up! Thank you Mr Abed. I certainly would not vote for anyone who puts the "rights" of illegals before the rights of there own countrymen.
Lynda wrote on Oct 5, 2006 3:49 PM:Illegal aliens have rights? Every time someone throws a protest involving illegal aliens it shines needed light on this out of control situation. Do you really think showing up on a street corner with homemade signs is helping you?
RWB wrote on Oct 5, 2006 3:54 PM:How dumb can they get? Illegals don't own cars or have a drivers license or have insurance, if they did. Sam should go out there and thank the protestors for the free publicity they're giving him..All I've got to say is, "Fill'um up." My gas station from now on.
GasGuzzler wrote on Oct 5, 2006 4:05 PM:After finding about this, my wife and I took both of our gas-guzzling SUVs over to Mr. Abed's station for fill-ups. It's sad that the people protesting this issue don't realize that this ordinance protects THEM from exploitation. Thank you, Mr. Abed, for protecting our city by standing up and supporting the people in Escondido who pay taxes and vote !
Ch 10 Exposes Abed wrote on Oct 5, 2006 4:08 PM:I heard ch 10 did a story about Sam Abed the great protector of Escondido hiring illegal immigrants to work on his property. Hmmmmm....
Go Escondido wrote on Oct 5, 2006 4:17 PM:I am so happy to see how many people support this rental ban, I will buy all my gas at Mr. Abeds gas station from now on. Yeah Go Escondido I'm proud to be a resident.
Advertistment Heaven wrote on Oct 5, 2006 4:19 PM:Sam, you couldn't of bought better advertisment if you tried! Keep up the good work!
Tim from Vista wrote on Oct 5, 2006 4:25 PM:I just filled my truck last night at Costco in Vista. 25 gallons. As soon as I'm out I'll be heading to Sam's station. Deportation, si se puede ! NO MAS AQUI !
Concerned wrote on Oct 5, 2006 4:26 PM:What a screwed up time we live in. We can't trust the government, we can't trust the media, we can't trust anything we see or hear in campaign ads. Especially those from organized labor. And, we certainly, obviously, can't trust a bunch of idiotic Americans who think they are doing the right thing for humanity.
Why wrote on Oct 5, 2006 4:27 PM:is it everything the illegals do back fires? Not only them now we have the Mexican Government saying relations will be very cold with the U.S., oops does that mean you don't want the Yankee tourist dollar?
morty wrote on Oct 5, 2006 4:28 PM:who are the people protesting cant be illegas. they dont drive ??
I just got back from Sam's wrote on Oct 5, 2006 4:33 PM:I came home from work and was planning on filling up on my way to work tomorrow. I drove across town and filled up. I will tell EVERYONE to do the same! Just DO IT!
hello wrote on Oct 5, 2006 4:35 PM:i will not be going there i rather go to a gas station in my ghetto , and i am an american citizen and i have no problems with my nieghbors....mexican or not... we are here to work and survive for what we want and have , with two jobs i have no time for dumb games.... i really think escondido will lose alt of income if this law passes we will really escondido {hidden} desert....
To Morty wrote on Oct 5, 2006 4:40 PM:Wake up! Yes they do drive, w'out licenses, w'out insurance! Not having documents didn't stop them from coming here, it sure as hell won't stop them from driving illegally.
Gas guzzler wrote on Oct 5, 2006 4:41 PM:Sam, I'll be by after work to fill up.....My neighbor has a motor home.......he's coming tomorrow.....As with May 1 , this will backfire on them big time, If it hasn't already they will soon be resorting to violence. Thats what scares me. I'll spread the word, the line will wrap around the block. Buy Gas at Sam Abeds gas station!!!
morty wrote on Oct 5, 2006 4:42 PM:I DIDNOT KNOW MR.ABED OWNED MOBIL I WILL BE THERE TO GET GAS. THANKS AGAAIN TO THE 3 BRAVE PEOPLE ON CITY COUNCIL.SAD DAY WHEN WE NEED 2BODYGUARDS IN OUR TOWN..TO FEEL SAFE.
Rachel wrote on Oct 5, 2006 4:42 PM:Well Mr.abed there are more mexicans in this city,and i know thousands of mexicans who used to pump gas there so you will be loosing alot of money!!!
Rachel wrote on Oct 5, 2006 4:45 PM:Well, Mr.Abed there are more mexicans in this city and i know many of them who pump gas there, so you will be loosing alot of money!!
Fed Up with Illegals wrote on Oct 5, 2006 4:46 PM:I will be filling up at Sam's place from now on! Go back to wherever you came from "illegals" - that means, NOT legal!
L.C. wrote on Oct 5, 2006 4:47 PM:I applaud the hard work Abed, Gallo & Waldron have done. I live in San Marcos, but will be purchasing my gas from Mr. Abed's station anytime I'm in Escondido. Keep up the good work & be proud to be an AMERICAN.
Undocumented Accusations! wrote on Oct 5, 2006 5:01 PM:The hiring story is on the 10NEWS web site. "Lorenzo admitted he has no proof, but Perez hopes the community and Abed are listening." Here we have undocumented aliens making undocumented accusations. Mexican politics have crossed the border!
All ears: wrote on Oct 5, 2006 5:05 PM: I want to hear the illegals say they are fed up and heading back to Mexico!
"My Town" wrote on Oct 5, 2006 5:06 PM:Hooray for Marie, Ed & Sam, our three brave council people…boo to Lori & Newman…we'll be filling up at Sam's from now on!!
Latina wrote on Oct 5, 2006 5:12 PM:Wow!!! Have you Americans thought about what will happen if they do pass that law or any law that effects illegal immigrants? I bet you haven't because you guys are happy right know, because you think thats the solution to your problems. But you know what that is NOT in fact it WILL BE more problems to all of you because Latinos are the bigger consumers in California mostly anywhere. Bussiness will go out. Especially the ones that own apartments and do rent to immigrants. You all know dam well that Latinos ARE # 1. AND TO ALL THE PROTESTERS GOOD JOB. STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU THINK IS RIGHT. DONT LET A LAZY RACE CALLED WHITE AMERICANS PUT YOU DOWN CAUSE YOU ARE WORTH MORE THAN THEY THINK. ONLY GOD KNOW WHAT WILL HAPPEN AND THE PUNISHMENT THEY WILL FACE!!! VIVAN LOS LATINOS!!!!!!!!!
messcondido wrote on Oct 5, 2006 5:13 PM:Let me be precise. I will not buy anything (gas, 7-11, groceries) in Escondido until the 3 racists on the city council are out there in the fields picking strawberries with all the other white people. You guys want a war? You got it. Those Minutemen guys last night were so full of hate - made me feel like I was in a history book in 1938 Germany.
Gregory wrote on Oct 5, 2006 5:17 PM:what's the big deal about? Illegally here aliens shouldn't be able to work (enforced by employer) or live (enforced by landlord). So What? come into MY country legally or stay in yours and make it as great as MY country (you had your chances and LOST).
Jim wrote on Oct 5, 2006 5:18 PM:Ignorance is bliss. This forum looks like a bunch of patrio-fascists blaming everything under the sun on hard working poor people just because they are brown. Not only do you demonize the wrong people based on ignorance rather than facts, then you cheer at retarded policies that have zero chance of making any difference. It just looks like a bunch of wild dogs, foaming for some red meat in the form of politicians who blame everything on immigrants. Clearly, none of you have read the statue of liberty lately.
Sane person wrote on Oct 5, 2006 5:25 PM:I for one don't support the council's adoption of foolish laws that will bring zero benefit to Escondido. There's no chance this law will improve any of your lives in the least. There is a good chance it will cost the city millions in legal fees. And there is a chance it will make some poor children (even US citizens) homeless. Please don't insinuate that your ignorance and hate is "American".
John D. wrote on Oct 5, 2006 5:35 PM:Don't blame the city council for this problem. If the Federal Government, ie: President Bush and the Congress had the guts to take positive action to seal the border, Escondido would not have had to take this action. And don't be fooled thinking all the hispanics are against this law. A good amount of the legal ones know that the strain illegals have on the Schools, Hospitals and Court systems can only add cost and delays when we have to use them. There is a legal way to get into this country, and allowing people to illegally get in only cheapens the efforts to people who did it legally.
To Rachel wrote on Oct 5, 2006 5:36 PM:You know "THousands" of mexicans that used to fill up there??? Wow, you sound popular. I have two cars on empty...guess where I'm getting gas tomorrow?? Oppose the boycott, FILL UP AT SAM ABED'S MOBILE!!!!!!!
Tony Rigatoni wrote on Oct 5, 2006 5:38 PM:w00t! I know where I'm going to be spending my gas money, thanks for the advertisement. BTW: Most illegals carpool and burn cheap arco gas. A FWIW: How's about if everyone reading this boycotts any business they suspect is hiring illegals? Wanna bet most fast food places?
Rob wrote on Oct 5, 2006 5:40 PM:I just went by with my flag to buy gas at Midway Mobil. This seems to be a Channel 10 sponsored protect. The only ones there is Danny Perez and 10 others, mostly kids. Then of course, there is Fred Blankenship and a cameraman. So 10News is about 18% of protest. As I was leaving a Radio Latina van drove up. Soon, the number of media persons may out number the protestors.
Finally wrote on Oct 5, 2006 5:43 PM:Thanks Sam, and whenever I am in Escondido I will buy gas at your stationno matter how little or much I need. And as for the idiot who asked "what kind of a name is Abed" ... they sounded a bit racist to me, and too befuddled to look it up. Abed, according to a google search is a name of Arabic origin and means worshipper. So we have an american either born or naturalized with a name of Arabic origin ... so what! I come from mostly Irish ancestry and have a first name thought to be of Germanic origin... big deal. I stand with Sam a fellow American who has the courage of his convictions.
Robert24 wrote on Oct 5, 2006 5:59 PM:Just a quick FYI for those of you who do not know. Mr. Abed is from Lebanon, and is here legally. Now, Mr. Perez and the rest of you who choose to continue to support illegal activity, why don't you get a clue. Instead of picketing Mr. Abed's station, why don't you all go do the right thing, like he did, and get in line and come here legally. Then work hard, support this country and embrace it, and maybe someday you can have a lost group such as yourselves picket you and your gas station! BTW, I went to buy fuel there earlier today, but they do not sell diesel. I will be back tomorrow with my gasoline burning vehicles, and I have never bought fuel there before. Thank you, protestors, for bringing this new station to my, and alot of others, attention!
Randy wrote on Oct 5, 2006 6:02 PM:That is the nature of free speech: not always pretty or orderly, but always emotional!
morty wrote on Oct 5, 2006 6:02 PM:I THINK RACHEL IS ILL .TO BE THREATENING A PERSON ABOUT A 1000 NOT GETTING GAS,.MAYBE SHE CAN GET THE 1000 SHE KNOWS FILL UP AND LEAVE TOWN.
itsabouttime wrote on Oct 5, 2006 6:16 PM:it's about time that someone took action to close the loopholes that encourage people to come here illegally. I'm tired of my hard earned money going towards teaching illegals, feeding illegals, and providing healthcare to illegals. There are legal ways to enter this country but our southern neighbor encourages illegal entry. Let's force real change in the corrupt Mexican government and send the illegals back. If your country is so bad that you need to trek across miles of desert, then change your country and stay out of mine. I for one am tired of seeing the Mexican flag flown in the United States. If you are so proud of being from Mexico that you must display a flag prominently, then go back to Mexico. You don't see me flying flags of my heritage (Ireland, England, Germany, Scotland, etc.) in the United States. The next time I pass through Escondido i'll buy gas at this station and any others that support crackdowns on illegal immigration. If the Federal government were doing its job then we wouldn't have to rely upon local government to protect our borders. Impeach Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld for selling this country out to big business for personal gain. Why else would they not want to crack down on illegal immigration? The big businesses love the cheap labor. INS needs to crack down and kick illegals back across the border. I'm tired of my tax dollars being used to encourage and support those who break the law.
tired of it wrote on Oct 5, 2006 6:23 PM:Our illustrious mayor Lori needs to park her pansy butt in an immigrant infested apartment complex and see how she likes how life treats her. Sam, I'll be filling up tomorrow. Marie, I am disgusted at the lack of respect given your business and I hope you are able to bring those responsible accountable and put them away/deport them/whatever it takes! Bravo to the City Council majority for taking a stand for those of us who aren't being heard over the pro-immigrant rants.
too funny wrote on Oct 5, 2006 6:28 PM:The majority ruled on this and as Mr Abed said the other night, he represents 60% of the city population. Good luck Mayor, you are now part of the minority. Live with it!
STOP THE HATE wrote on Oct 5, 2006 6:37 PM:Wow, I don't like the whole situation either, but the hateful words from so many is scary. Did you see the front page of the Union Tribune? Those ladies should be ashamed holding those signs...so hateful and outright rude. This is not right...there's got to be another way......
Emily wrote on Oct 5, 2006 6:40 PM:I'd like to see what any of you would do if your family was starving in another country and knew you could have better opportunities to help them in this country, the so called "Land of the Free." If you were so proud of this country, you would be proud to say that it treats everybody equally, even if they do not have the documentation to be here. They are still human beings, not animals. They do not break laws more often than citizens do. THAT is the propaganda society has been feeding you. Everybody has to complain about everything, and hey, why not blame the immigrants? That sounds like a good idea. Who cares if they are just coming here to find work and provide a better life for their families? We do not want them to do better at OUR expense! As long as WE can live a little better, we don't need to help anybody else. That's what you're all saying, right? You selfish, racist people. We should just throw them all out on the street. News flash people: no matter what you do, they aren't going to leave! They are growing in number and will continue to do so, even read a few of the previous comments. So why not let them work and have them pay more taxes? Why not let them contribute to the economy by renting from landlords (who I am sure were not too happy about this new ordinance)? Why do we let this intolerance continue?
Nick wrote on Oct 5, 2006 6:47 PM:I will be heading over to fuel up all 100 gallons of my tank tomorrow. No worries Mr. Abed, we will take care of you. None of the protestors buy gas from you anyway. Send them all back where they came from.
Sandy K wrote on Oct 5, 2006 6:58 PM:We don't live in Escondido, but you can bet we will go out of our way to buy gas there. I think we can start calling Mr. Abed "Fantastic Sam."
Samuel wrote on Oct 5, 2006 7:15 PM:To Latina, Yeah Yeah, I've already seen the movie, life without a Mexican, and sorry, It's not going to happen. See, the whole thing is about ILLEGALS. There area Illegals from every race. This law does not pertain only to Mexicans. And your "You all know dam well that Latinos ARE # 1" comment, would that not be considered a racist or Prejudice. If you think that, why are you in America, and not in Mexico. And why would someone that is doing something good for the city by trying to get rid of people that do not belong here be considered a racist. Maybe you or Rachel, or even Racel's 1000 little buddys could answer this, Why can't you just get a Resident Alien Card, and be here legally. Thats all you have to do. Do that, and guess what, you are welcomed to be here. Otherwise, get out of the Country. It seems like only the Mexicans are making this look like this law is towards a certain race, it's not, it's about all illegals. I would suggest you go back and read the law again, well, ok ok, just read it the first time. I think the Border Patrol should show up at these protests and began hitting people up for their Resident Alien cards. Oh, where did the protesters go. And to messcondido, what war you got, quit playin quit playin!
What is Constitutional? wrote on Oct 5, 2006 7:30 PM:Certainly not the ordinance. Any lawyer will tell you that states can not enforce immigration law. NO EXCEPTION. This law will be tossed in no time flat. But of course the council knows that, it is just politics at work.
Jon B. wrote on Oct 5, 2006 7:32 PM:I will never buy gas there again, I never knew that such a bigot owned that place. Thanks for the tip
jeremy b. wrote on Oct 5, 2006 7:35 PM:its about time southern california picks it up.i asked a neighbor for a job laying wood floors.i asked him to train me for free, while i used my saving to get by, so that i could get a job with a company here in north county. he woud not train me for over 5 months while at the same time hiring illegal immigrants who he said got social security numbers off the street in san diego and he could pay them and set at home while they did the work and didnt have time to train me.let me tell you,our city has a big problem with gang activity to ,if you dont believe me go to any place and and look at the writings all over the wall.and if you still dont believe how gang activity is getting worsr try taking your spouse out for a drink at the north county bar in escondido.our country is headed to a small civil war and our pathetic trouble causing polie department isnt going to make it any better.
Fill er Up wrote on Oct 5, 2006 7:36 PM:Just left Sam's station... I filled up the SUV with PREMIUM ! The cops are there in force... The few pickets that are there are mostly school age kids that have never bought a gallon of gas in thier life. They're there for "numbers" and to make it look bigger than it really is. I filled up my gas sucking SUV with premimum and chatted with several other happy customer that had com WAY out of thier way to buy gas here in support. If you doubt for a minute that Escondido has an 'illegal' problem, just cruise down Mission or Washington between Ash and Broadway and you'll understand why we are FEED UP with people (of any race) coming here illegally and demanding 'right' and 'welfare'. My mother in law came legally, got a sponser, and did the whole citizenship thing the right way. So should everyone else. Let Sam know what you think and BUY HIS GAS !
Thanks wrote on Oct 5, 2006 7:36 PM:I didn't even know he OWNED a gas station. I guess I will be by to fill up soon!
Al wrote on Oct 5, 2006 7:38 PM:Robert24 is right on! I would add that Sam Abed has done more than 99% of Hispanic aliens, illegal or legal. Sam came from a distant land, he didn't climb over a fence and walk in to America ILEGALLY in the trunk of car rather he went through the immigration process and became a LEGAL American citizen, he didn't keep speaking his native language while in America, he got a formal education in engineering and worked for IBM, he assimilated into American culture, he owns a business in the local community and donates money to various organizations, he became a prestigious city councilman, he saw the need to protect AMERCIAN LAWS by voting for this new and needed ordinance. Sam is an American hero. He is not sitting at Palomar ER for free medical aid, he doesn't have kids in Escondido High that barely speak this country's language-ENGLISH, he doesn't have kids in Mexican gangs of which a high percentage are ILLEGAL aliens and he didn't wave a Mexican flag and shout Viva Mexico on the disgraceful Immigrant Stay Home Day a few months back. While you ILLEGAL supporters continue to d spew hatred toward Sam take an honest look at what he has done and compare that with what you have not. It soon becomes clear why you folks are crying so much now- because you want everything for nothing. Get the hell out of my country you criminal’s.
Roberto wrote on Oct 5, 2006 7:51 PM:To all you racist and Xenophobes...I guess you win this battle. I agree, it won't work. I guess increasing the numbers of legal migrants from Mexico is the only real solution because the fence is going to be to complicated for us to understand and for the illegals to figure it out....Again, thank all you racist and Xenophobes for all your support. As the guy about 20 threads above said, we lost the war and will have to settle for a compromise at the request of you really intelligent people out here including that voter. CAFTA, NAFTA and just ole plain hard work along with a sensible assimilation plan will work just fine!
Esco See's The Light wrote on Oct 5, 2006 7:51 PM:Remember that wonderful day a few months back when the Mexican's protested and stayed home from work one day? I remember that it backfired on them as it turned out to be a great day for the rest of us not to see them! Just think how nice it will be once the flood of ILLEGALS stop flooding our towns across the USA. That will be another wonderful time. It will happen as more cities adopt similar ordinances to enforce laws already on the books. I see the light getting bigger!
Jorge wrote on Oct 5, 2006 7:56 PM:I know where I'll buy my gas at now. Please, all of you don't buy your gas or groceries or pampers or anything else here. Go to Mexico and get whatever you need. Their economy needs you and we don't. Just remeber to stay there. War? No problem messcondido. Bring it on.
To Latina: wrote on Oct 5, 2006 7:57 PM:Illegal Immigrants the biggest consumers in California. Give me a break. They are sending the money back to Mexico, how can they be consumers then? It will be nice to be able to actually get into the DMV or a life saving emergency room when these illegals get deported. I'll gladly pay more for a head of lettuce if I can get in the emergency room if I need help. No brainer there. We pay taxes for only a certain amount of services. If a portion of another country is using those services, we will have less quality. If they are paying taxes, then prosecute them for stealing identities and SSN's.
Press 1 for English, Press 2 for Deportation wrote on Oct 5, 2006 8:25 PM:Great, thanks for letting me know where to buy gas. Sam, you've got my business whenever I'm in Escondido.
Robert24 wrote on Oct 5, 2006 8:26 PM:To Latina; First, in any good argument, you respect the person whose opinion you do not agree with. Saying, in caps at that, "lazy race called white Americans" does not show education, class or respect. It really only serves to take you down a notch. No one here is saying that they are better than anyone else; you brought that in. No one here said Latinos are the problem. It is the illegal (look it up if you are unclear on its meaning) that is the problem, and needs to be dealt with, to the extent of the law. And, as for the businesses that will "go out", according to you, I truly doubt that it will be gas stations, apartments and the like. Most likely it will be 99 cent stores, WIC locations, check cashing establishments, and any of the 7 dozen taco shops with names to resemble Roberto's (Alberto's, Dilberto's, Juanberto's, Jilliberto's, etc.)- good riddance. As for Latino's being #1, that, too, is just anti-American. This Country is made up of people of all races, nationality and religion, and is part of what makes it great. Illegal immigrants, who just so happen to have Mexicans in the majority, who have not earned the rights of America, and spew "Latinos are #1" do not help the cause. Go home, be number 1 there, and, if you would like to truly be an American, come back legally and fit in. Otherwise, take your flag and your attitude back to the place that you legally belong to, and convince them that you are number 1. Good luck!
Viva La Raza wrote on Oct 5, 2006 8:29 PM:Thanks for telling me where Sam's gas station is. I won't be buying gas there and neither will the 13 people who live with me in my one bedroom apartment. This law was totally unnecessary. We live this all the time in Mexico and look how great that nation is! The US should learn from Mexico. Viva La Raza!
Pat wrote on Oct 5, 2006 8:39 PM:The typical threats, harrassment and at times violence used by the opposition. They think it's OK to try to destroy two council members businesses through any means. I am not one of those weak lazy Americans they speak of and WE WILL take our country back, one town at a time. I will be not intimidated by someone from another country living here illegally and neither will the city council. I have a feeling though that things will get a lot nastier because these people will not give up their free healthcare, schooling etc easily. Their sense of entitlement amazes me! It's us, the taxpayers that pay for their free ride.
Eric wrote on Oct 5, 2006 8:40 PM:To Latina, Your diatribe is the perfect proof that such laws are a necessity. Illegals: please return to the country from which you came and try to make it a better place rather than trashing entire sections of our cities. Sam Abed for Governor.
fran wrote on Oct 5, 2006 8:45 PM:Go home!! I too want my country back. May 1st my town was empty of illegals. It was sooooo nice. It felt like old times. they were out marching somewhere. If I lived in or near Escondido I too, would be filling up at Sam's Mobile. Thank God for people like Sam. Go Sam!
to viva la raza wrote on Oct 5, 2006 8:47 PM:If Mexico is so great, then go back there and live. You won't though because you wouldn't get the freebies that you do here---wish just one of you just admit it! It's time to thank an American for paying your medical bills!
Bean Counter wrote on Oct 5, 2006 8:54 PM:I am so sick and tired of hearing people like "Latina" telling us our country will fall apart without illegal aliens. What next, we are addicted to foreign oil and illegals? Let's look at lettuce. The illegal supporters say our lettuce prices will be something like $5.00/head without illegals. I don't buy it; let's do the math. I figure a professional lettuce picker could pick 5 heads a minute, or 300 heads an hour. If we replace an illegal making $2.00/hour with a US citizen making $7/hour ($10.00/hour with taxes), that is an extra $8 divided among 300 heads of lettuce, which amounts to an increase in cost of UNDER 3 cents per head of lettuce. OK, pay the US citizens $30/hour to pick lettuce (which will get many of our professional welfare recipients off the dole), and the price rises by less than 10 cents a head of lettuce. Thanks, but I'll pay the extra dime, watch our welfare rolls shrink, and be able to a) get into an emergency room in less than 5 hours, b) drive without getting rear- ended by an illegal without insurance, c) not have my wife harassed by the illegals when she walks through the Home Depot parking lot. Illegals GO HOME.
Tire of it all wrote on Oct 5, 2006 8:59 PM:Let's think about this. These people are protesting a law they think is unjust. They say they're rights are being taken away and they are just here to make a decent living. Ok, if thats the case, when was the last time any of them paid taxes? I'm tired of paying for all their kids to go to school and then not even be taught in English half the time. Our schools, hospitals, and social services here in Southern California are overburdened by people here illegally. Illegal aliens have no rights in this country. However, if someone wants to come here legally like Mr. Abed, that's great, I'm all for it. But to simply run across the border, take a job and then scream about your "rights," well that's another deal all together. Here's what the great Theodore Roosevelt had to say about immigrants in 1918 "In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people." I think that his vision is more important today than it was when he wrote this. Maybe our politicians should read this. Finally, Mr. Abed you and the other two councilmembers did the right thing. Now you need to target those that hire illegals because without jobs and housing, what is the point of coming here!
cb wrote on Oct 5, 2006 9:00 PM:25 years seems like a long time right? It is not. I truly hope that all of you are enjoying the way Latinos are being treated and regarded. I say Latinos because, as one can read in the comments above, somehow we are all “illegals”-second class citizens, subhuman, right? Please remember this: what goes around comes around. I hope you can remember this 25 years from now. Evolutionary demographics is a beautiful thing…
a human in Escondido wrote on Oct 5, 2006 9:17 PM:How can these people cry racist, clearly they are the ones that are racist. Let's drop the racist thing, OK? Let's file everyone under the same race, the Human Race. Then, see who is a citizen of the U.S., who is here following the legal procedure to become a citizen, and those who snuck accross without regard for that procedure need to be sent home, to do it the right way, REGARDLESS of what country that is. It just so happens that border is with Mexico, so obvioulsy the majority of illegal aliens in this region happen to be Latino. That does not make us racist, that's just common sense. The key word here is "ILLEGAL", NOT "MEXICAN". We are all of the same race.
Viva La Fence!!! wrote on Oct 5, 2006 9:37 PM:Illegally crossing the border and setting up residency, is well... illegal. Not paying taxes is, well... illegal. Identity theft is, well... illegal. I am all for LEGAL Imigration, and I am all for Hispanic Americans. I am not for ILLEGAL Imigrants that undercut americans by working ILLEGALLY for was that are BELOW LEGAL MINIMUM WAGES, and DO NOT pay TAXES. I don't support ILLEGAL Immigrants that refuse to learn english and burden our schools and emergency rooms. I have no sympathy for ILLEGAL Immigrants that have the nerve to protest our laws and boycott our businesses. This is something they need to do in Mexico. I have NO respect for individuals that sacrafice the future and well being of their children because they will not learn the language. Our country does not owe Mexico a living, education, or health care. Those are things they must earn for themselves in their own country. If they are willing to learn the language (as all immigrants have done), work for fair wages, pay taxes, insure their vehicles, and pay for their own health care, then I will personally weave them a welcome mat, and dedicate my life to implementing amnesty. At this point, they drain our economy, take our jobs, increase the tax burden, overwhelm our education system, and create inflation. This leaves me with only one solution ... Fill 'er up, Sam!!!!
Robert24 wrote on Oct 5, 2006 9:44 PM:Sorry, folks, I just can't let this go. I learned something last night, and if any of the rest of you listened to every word at the City Council meeting last night like I did, you may have learned something also. For those of you who did not take the time to pay attention to last nights meeting, here is what I learned, and a quick comparison: Mr. Abed came to this country from Lebanon. He came here legally. He purchased a business-a gas station which is now being picketed-and hired people to work for him. Those people earn a paycheck, and pay taxes. Mr. Abed makes a legal living, and contributes untold dollars to the City in taxes, insurance, business license, etc. Mr. Abed has become an American citizen, and serves the City of Escondido as a Council Member, sometimes making uncomfortable and unpopular decisions, which he feels is best for the City. In return, he gets picketed. Now, let's do a quick look at what Mr. Abed is attempting to stop in this City with his unpopular vote: Illegal aliens (please note that I did not say Mexicans, Latinos, Brown People, or anything other than Illegal aliens. If Mr. Abed had done what these folks are doing, he would be an Illegal alien also, but he did not) come here illegally, and do not purchase businesses. They work here for cheaper than the going rate, not to help America, but to stay under the radar and not call attention to themselves, and send the money "home". They do not earn a paycheck, instead, they work for cash and pay no taxes. They typically do not contribute to the City, do not have car or medical insurance, and often times, do not have legal drivers licenses or Social security cards. They do not respect the laws of this Country and call attention to themselves with such things as saying "Latinos are #1", "we are not doing anything wrong here, we only want to work", and "lazy race called white Americans". Can you start to see the difference in the way Mr. Abed has done things, and the position he has risen to, as opposed to those who continue to believe that it is okay to do things illegally, and then try to rationalize those actions by saying things like "we do the work the white people won't" or "Latinos are the bigger consumers in California mostly anywhere", followed by a call to arms to show Americans the dire circumstances that will occur when the illegals all leave? Nothing racist here, but a pretty clear cut example of how to and how not to rise up in life. Illegals, and all of your supporters; while I am sure that you are angry at Mr. Abed (and Ms. Waldron and Mr. Gallo)try taking a good, long, hard look at how Mr. Abed has done things, and what he has achieved. He is a true American success story, and has become an American. I would be willing to bet that he will never, ever forget his country of origin, Lebanon, but I will also bet that he does not fly a Lebanese flag here in America either. Quit blaming others for your problems, and do things right, legally, and fit in. Quit trying to bring your culture and your language to this Country. Quit with La Raza, la Reconquista, Mecha and the rest. Quit rationalizing illegal behavior, and embrace the law and structure, and most importantly, the opportunities afforded by this great Country, if you do things the legal way. You will find the America that I know to be more than willing to accept you, and help you to get whatever your dream may be. But you have to first come legally, and contribute. Coming illegally, and only taking, is just one reason that we are all having this uncomfortable situation now. Pay attention to Mr. Abed. He should be a example for all people who wish to live in America, and be Americans.
Pedro wrote on Oct 5, 2006 9:49 PM:This new law is racist. All of these laws in the EEUU are racist. Even the U.S. Constitution is a racist paper because it is not in Spanish. Mexico is the best, especially our space program and our super duper infrastructure and public education system. I moved here with mi familia grande to make this country better - like Mexico. ¡Viva Mexico! Oh, I almost forgot - if you buy gas at this racist place, Our Lady of Guadalupe will shed tears for your sad KKK racist soul. If you do not agree with me, then you are a racist. ¡Viva La Raza!
bryan wrote on Oct 5, 2006 10:17 PM:I will go there every week to buy something. I live in escondido and was not familiar with this gas station. bet your life on it ill be there tomorrow morning. We should create a line of cars waiting to get gas there a mile long. way to go sam
Adios Amigos and Amigas wrote on Oct 5, 2006 10:28 PM:Yes, finally someone is doing something about these illegals! I am so sick and tired of trying to talk with a mexican who can't speak english! I am shocked to see how many mexicans live in escondido! I have not been there for years, but recently I have to go there for classes and the mexicans and mexican food places are everywhere! It appears they are taking over and making Escondido Mexcondido or EsconMexico! I fully support the Council recent descision to not let Landlords rent to illegals! And how dare they wave the Mexican flag and not the U.S. Flag! They dont have car insurance and drain our sytem financially! It's time to kick them over the boarder or else we caould have another civil war between Mexico and California!!! Enough is enough, they must be legal and the must speak fluent english to be a citizen!!!
to emily and latina wrote on Oct 5, 2006 10:41 PM:Racist? Intolerance? Excuse me but it's all about LEGAL immigration. We are talking about ILLEGAL immigration. You are insinuating Mexico is being discriminated against? What about all the people in non-bordering countries that want to come to the U.S.? They have to abide by the legal immigration laws. So why should Mexicans that sneak across the border because they live adjacent to the U.S. be welcomed and treated better than those that abide by the laws to enter this country legally. Focus your frustration on the Mexican government where it belongs. The only reason everyone wants in the U.S. is because Mexico's government walks all over the people. They leave instead of fighting for their rights. But you chose to criticize the U.S.. Mexico will never amount to anything until the people of Mexico realize that their problem is their own government and country. Blame your own politicians and country not the people of the U.S.
To Pedro wrote on Oct 5, 2006 10:47 PM:To Pedro...if Mexico is the best why don't you and your "familia" go back???
Confused wrote on Oct 5, 2006 10:49 PM:CB wrote " . . . Please remember this: what goes around comes around. I hope you can remember this 25 years from now. Evolutionary demographics is a beautiful thing." This can only be interpreted as a veiled threat of striking out against gringos in 25 years, once there is a latino majority. I seek clarification from CB related to his assertion that "what goes around comes around." Is he saying that in the future Latino politicians will enact legislation making it illegal to rent to any gringos or non-illegal aliens? The new Escondido ordinance is not concerned with national origin or ethnicity, but whether or not a person has complied with U.S. immigration laws. Those who consistently allege that racism is the force behind the desire to have secure borders and to know who is living in the U.S. are the real racists. In English, La Raza is defined as "the race." That sounds a lot more like 1938 Germany than did last night's City Council meeting. No other ethnic group in the U.S. could get away with calling itself "The Race," without being charged with various federal hate crimes and RICO violations. What a convenient double standard!
Hey Pedro! wrote on Oct 5, 2006 11:01 PM:Hey Pedro! You convinced me, I'm going to move to Maheco with my wife and ten lovley children and soak up some welfare, free medical care, free education for my kids and set up camp in in a canyon.
Curious wrote on Oct 5, 2006 11:12 PM:Well, Won't be getting gas at that station any more. Usually expensive anyway. Anyone know if Marie Waldron and Ed Gallo own businesses in town so I can avoid those too?
Escondeeter wrote on Oct 5, 2006 11:15 PM:Anyone who thinks they can intimidate Sam into changing his vote doesn't know Sam. The ordinance's opponents didn't scare Council members by threatening their lives, and threatening their businesses won't work either. Funny thing about the left, when logic fails they always turn to strong-arm tactics.
chulavistaAmerican wrote on Oct 5, 2006 11:25 PM:1. It is a violation of federal law to cross the border without proper documentation.(any border of the United Sates) This would make anyone without the proper documentationa criminal. 2. It is a violation of law to aid or abet a criminal, i.e. provide housing, work or sustenance to one who has committed a crime. therefore, the ordinance passed by Escondido city council is redundant and definitely not racist. Did the language of the ordinance name any one specific race,creed or nationality specifically or did the protester and immigration rights activist interpret it in that manner. If I lived in Escondido, I would shop at the businesses owned by the council members who voted for the ordinance. Even though I feel it is a redundantmove, all we really have to do is enforce the laws already n the books. We do not need amnesty for those who chose to shortcut the legal system, we had that less than ten years ago, and we are back up to over 10 million illegal aliens, not immigrants, as by law an immigrant is one who followed the rules.
chulavistaAmerican wrote on Oct 5, 2006 11:31 PM: VivaLaRaza wrote "I won't be buying gas there and neither will the 13 people who live with me in my one bedroom apartment" In this case there is a landlord not doing their job, last I heard maximum occupancy for One bdrm apt is 3 people, I believe that it is a part of the health code. Just another example of laws being broken
chulavistaAmerican wrote on Oct 5, 2006 11:36 PM:I support illegal aliens, I pay for their children's education, while thry send money home to their family in another country or pay off the"coyote" that brought them here
Fair Game! wrote on Oct 5, 2006 11:38 PM:In another paper, Danny Perez said he came here 17 years ago as an illegal alien. I quote "Perez, 38, said he became a permanent U.S. resident five years ago after paying $15,000 in fines and legal fees to go through a lengthy approval process. For years, he lived without papers in Escondido." I have asked several of my legal immigrant friends. None of them have heard of an illegal alien coming in 1989, after the 1986 amnesty, being able to get permanent residency by paying a $15,000 fine!? Does anyone know what Danny Perez is talking about? Is this possible?
Frida wrote on Oct 5, 2006 11:43 PM:I support the boycott. The good thing about this is people only have to cross the street to get gas at the other gas station and it's cheaper in price too! :) Don't buy Mobil gas at Sam Abed's shop!
cuidad National wrote on Oct 5, 2006 11:44 PM:Illegals who demand their "right" to create a Mexifornian environment, might move to Cuidad National. There they will find high taxes, high crime, corrupt politicians, and lots of "sanctuary" multifamily slum dwelling - with much more of the same to come. Cuidad National, si! City of Escondido, no.
CriminalsGo Home wrote on Oct 5, 2006 11:46 PM:When the Mexicans were waving Mexican flags and cheering for Mexcico during the stupid Immigrant Stay Home day, a few months ago, is when I realized these clowns will never get my support. These CRIMINALS have no regard whatsoever for American law or culture. I say ship everyone of them back to Mexico after the new wall is built with only the flannel shirt and ball cap they walked into this country with ILLEGALLY. The rest of their belongings is property of the USA government. Adios la criminals.
anotherview wrote on Oct 6, 2006 12:07 AM:The individuals supporting the ordinance to stop the renting of housing to illegal aliens show much energy. Still, this ordinance, even if effective, represents a band-aid approach to the removal of illegal aliens. They will simply go elsewhere to live. Let me offer a suggestion to the energized individuals: Write to your elected officials to urge their support of a federal law prohibiting employers from hiring illegal aliens, and a rejection of amnesty for illegal aliens. Without the prospect of either a job or an amnesty, the illegal aliens now here would tend to self-deport, and the foreign nationals would tend not come here. Jobs would open for Americans. The overcrowding and other ills in Escondido arising from the presence of illegal aliens would abate. The number of criminal illegal aliens would drop. The burden on local, state, and federal budgets would ease. The host of other negative social, economic, and political impacts fostered by the presence of illegal aliens would moderate. America can get along fine without illegal aliens.
Sanguine wrote on Oct 6, 2006 12:26 AM:Time to open up the dictionary! First word -- rac·ism : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race. Where does the ordinance specify any superior race? Hint: it doesn't. Next word -- xe·no·phobe : one unduly fearful of what is foreign and especially of people of foreign origin. None of those favoring the ordinance are fearful -- in fact, given the uproar on the issue, they're being quite brave if you ask me. So quit tossing around words like "racist" and "xenophobe" and stick to the issue.
Jefe wrote on Oct 6, 2006 12:27 AM:Sam, you are an American Hero. Danny Perez is a two bit loser. Someone check his papers!
Chichen wrote on Oct 6, 2006 12:54 AM:Why for you no like undocumenteds? We going to bring bullfighting, fresh bagged Spinach, a trashcan to each toilet stall. We only charge you Californians 12 billion a year. What a bueno deal!!
Jeff M wrote on Oct 6, 2006 12:57 AM:To "A Human in Escondido", It's a Small Small World is in Anaheim.
kc wrote on Oct 6, 2006 1:13 AM:Pedro, hope you're kidding around. But even if you are, don't be disrespectful to Our Lady of Guadalupe. Not funny.
What can I say wrote on Oct 6, 2006 1:32 AM:Other than I plan I filling up at Sams station also. Thanks to the protestors I may have to wait in line. Sam you better call in a few extra deliveries for the weekend. When these fools realize that their protsest turns into a boon for Sam they will be gone by Monday morning. Now for Mr Fonseca's quote "I don't understand these people (on the City Council). I don't understand why they don't live in peace," Fonseca said. "They (the illegal immigrants) have to go to work, but where are they going to live?" How about back in Mexico where they belong? All of our relatives came from somewhere but they came here LEGALLY.
Two Issues at Stake wrote on Oct 6, 2006 5:45 AM:Illegal immigration ONLY as it pertains to the Demonization of the WORKING POOR. Is there one among you who objects to the ILLEGAL individual who has lived and worked our system for sufficient years to own and operate their own business? Upholstery business? Restaurant? Landscaping? Fencing? Furniture Manufacture? Forest and Timber Reduction? Iron Mongering? Building Trade? Roofing? Plumbing? Stone Masonry? Auto Repair? Who also happens to own a beautiful home in an expensive upscale part of town? Each adult member of the family owns and drives a late model state of the art vehicle? I will wager that these WEALTHY ILLEGALS who are excluded from your daily diatribe and hate mongering, in all probability, have even joined your quest in order to further safeguard their ill gotten ILLEGAL interests! It was an eye opener for me to visually observe (1979) a millionaire in the making, during his first FIVE years in Kalifornia. Each and every pay day each workshop employee (all illegal) was handed their weekly salary in both check and cash payments! If Illegal Immigration is truly your concern I suggest that you make a TEST case out of these illegal financially successful individuals who have either WORKED or BILKED the system for years.
Pedro wrote on Oct 6, 2006 7:14 AM:I want to make sure everyone knows that I not being disrepecful to Our Lady of Guadalupe. I dont even want nobody to even think this, especialmente El Padre de mi iglesia. Our Lady of Guadalupe is the best!
Ridgerunner wrote on Oct 6, 2006 7:17 AM:Reminder folks: this is not a battle. This is law enforcement. Sam, you are a courageous leader. God bless you.
To Mr. Abed wrote on Oct 6, 2006 7:20 AM:I'm from Oceanside and I'm driving ALL the way over to fill up my SUV at your station.
rwb wrote on Oct 6, 2006 7:23 AM:I live in Oside but work in Rancho Bernardo...can anyone give me the address to Sam's station so I can put gas there?
I love Sam wrote on Oct 6, 2006 7:51 AM:I will drive all the way from Oceanside for you SAM, for gas. You are a true American!! As for you illegal Mexicans get out of my country because we are boycotting you and all of Mexico!! How bought that. You free ride is over get OUT!
Julie with 5 cars wrote on Oct 6, 2006 8:13 AM:WE HAVE 5 CARS AND LIVE ABOUT 15 MILES AWAY FROM MR. ABED'S GAS STATION, BUT WILL BE MAKING THAT 15 MILE DRIVE TO FILL ALL OF OUR VEHICLES UP TODAY!!! THANK YOU MR.ABED! WE SUPPORT YOU!!
Its Funny wrote on Oct 6, 2006 8:21 AM:I find it quite funny that a groups that identify themselves solely by their race, have an activist group that means "The Race", say things about how lazy "white" Americans will be punished, are able to call others racist. Look in the mirror, your hate for America, and non-Latinos is evident.
Real American wrote on Oct 6, 2006 8:42 AM:As you can see, many of the entries here say that they will drive out of they way to patronize Sam’s business. One person said that he/she will drive from Murrieta to fill up his/her vehicle.....The question is, can they do this forever?..........We the residents of Escondido can boycott this gas station forever.....Support the boycott.
Oceanside wrote on Oct 6, 2006 8:44 AM:Wish our city had the guts to do the same! Do it the legal way! Escondido you did the right thing!
BRAVO!!! wrote on Oct 6, 2006 8:46 AM:GOOOOOO LATINOS!!! VERY PROUD OF YOU!! WE HAVE ALWAYS MADE THE DIFFERENCE IN THE COUNTRY AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO!! LET'S ALL GET UNITED AND KEEP ON BOYCOTTING THIS RACISTS BUSINESS, THEY NEED TO FEEL OUR POWER! ESCONDIDO IS OURS!
Ron wrote on Oct 6, 2006 8:56 AM:Councilman Sam Abed's Mobil gas station will be my permanent gas station for here on out. And I live in Vista, I will gladly make the drive!
GET INFORMED wrote on Oct 6, 2006 9:38 AM:to all of you criticizing Danny Perez residency, you guys have no clue how difficult it is to obtain a green card to come here. My friend has been waiting for 14 years! with just temporary permits. The problem here is the immigration system is stupid! 14 years waiting and his parents are US citizens. He can't go out of the country like many of you... what's up with that? we need effective immigration laws, STOP BLAMING INNOCENT PEOPLE!
Pete wrote on Oct 6, 2006 9:39 AM:"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!" -- Statue of Liberty The hate filled commenters who scapegoat immigrants are acting far less "American" than the hard working immigrants who are trying to make a better life and earn a decent living.
DON'T FORGET wrote on Oct 6, 2006 9:57 AM:All Men Are Created Under Image of God, So We All Are Equal
To Chichen wrote on Oct 6, 2006 10:01 AM:And you wonder why people are throwing the race card. If we're telling everyone this isn't a race issue then let's back it up. Quit with the Spanglish jokes and stop using "Hispanic", "Latino" and "illegal" interchangeably.
To All GasGuzzlers wrote on Oct 6, 2006 10:03 AM:I think that people are confusing Sam's station for a voting poll. Actually, its not even up to us. Its not completely up to Sam either, so no matter how much gas you suck out of his pumps, its not going to make this ordinace any stronger or smarter. The people that are protesting are only chosing his spot because its right smack in the middle of a busy intersection. Even the intersection in front of City Hall is not as busy as the one where his station is at. But its so funny how all of sudden everyone is bragging about having 2-3 Gas Guzzling SUV's and RV's when a couple of weeks ago everyone was crying about how gas was expensive. All of sudden its very patriotic to go drop a bunch of money at a coucilmans gas station that has a 1 in 5 chance of voting on this decision. You are all so funny.
Tired of Illegals wrote on Oct 6, 2006 10:11 AM:Time to go to Sam's place - I need some fuel, and am sure I will get some free entertainment out of the deal at the same time! NO MAS AQUI!!
Margaret wrote on Oct 6, 2006 10:12 AM:I will be filling up at Sam's gas station from now on. Good work Sam!!
Legal Mexican wrote on Oct 6, 2006 10:13 AM:You guys have no idea about what you have unleashed. Regardless if the ordinance goes through or not, this city is not going to be the same. Bad blood is going to run through the streets. I was born and raised in this city and I saw the hate in the 80's, saw it start to calm down in the 90's and it was beginning to be ok in the past couple of years. But now, trust me on this, its not going to be the same. Lock your doors, lock your cars, and start walking your kids to school and picking them up, cause I see the violence that happened in the 80's happening all over again.
Racist? wrote on Oct 6, 2006 10:15 AM:I think not, the three council persons were only PROTECTING LEGAL TAXPAYERS OF ANY RACE! How is that racist?
Notice wrote on Oct 6, 2006 10:31 AM:What the pro-illegal crowds fails to note is that the majority of legal voting residents want action to be taken. If the people were not for the action in Escondido, it would not be been introduced or passed. This is how the US operates by laws and not mobs. Maybe illegal immgrants should protest the deplorable conditions in Mexico that has continued for decades and seek to improve their respective contry where they can vote in a reform government.
To Legal Mexican wrote on Oct 6, 2006 10:39 AM:Better to have the battle now, before more invaders come.
Sorry guys wrote on Oct 6, 2006 11:03 AM:But no one is interested in Escondido's rental ban. It didn't even hit the LA papers, not to mention the internet news. Even the politicans are ignoring it. Seems like the politicans only want to discuss emails. But at least the politicans are getting clobbered with illegal immigration questions on their re-election tours.
I'll be watching: wrote on Oct 6, 2006 11:04 AM:This situation. I'm afraid abed has made himself a target. If I were him I'd hire some extra security. While it seems to be wildly popular with some it has to be extremely wrongheaded to others. We'll see.
Roberto wrote on Oct 6, 2006 11:05 AM:And they want to claim it has nothing to do with race....What a bunch of Racist and Xenophobes....Just read all the garbage posted by all your ilk... What goes around, comes around. "To Chichen wrote on October 06, 2006 10:01 AM:"And you wonder why people are throwing the race card. If we're telling everyone this isn't a race issue then let's back it up. Quit with the Spanglish jokes and stop using "Hispanic", "Latino" and "illegal" interchangeably. "
Observer wrote on Oct 6, 2006 11:18 AM:Watch out! Now Abed will pass a law prohibiting anyone from picketing his business!
Tired of Illegals wrote on Oct 6, 2006 11:29 AM:Just filled up at Sam's place - not an illegal in sight! They must have all gotten a clue and moved to National City!
Tax Payer wrote on Oct 6, 2006 11:32 AM:GET INFORMED - the reason it take so long to enter the country legally is because we don't need a flood of losers overunning the place, like all the fencejumpers are doing!
Lars wrote on Oct 6, 2006 11:38 AM:What a bunch of bigots!Are there any Black Families in Escondido or did you all run them out too?
Ron wrote on Oct 6, 2006 11:44 AM:It is far more hateful for people to live like they are living now. Have you seen the conditions? Two or more families to an apartment, slum lords head counting, illegals unwilling and unable to complain about bad or unsafe conditions. What they are trying to enforce our housing standards by State laws, County laws, and city laws. If they don't attept to enforce, you know they will be held responsible for any victims of such unsafe conditions.
To Pete From Peter wrote on Oct 6, 2006 11:46 AM:What you failed to say is that your quoted words refer to LEGAL immigration. Our current debate is with ILLEGAL immigrants. The illegal didn't follow the law of the land, therefore has broken the law, and under that law is unwelcomed. Sam, I'll not only buy your gas, but I'll contribute to your reelection!
To Legal Mexican : wrote on Oct 6, 2006 11:48 AM:And now the threats! What is the matter with you! You do not like American Democracy, where American Citizens can vote, have free speech, and have a right to decide how their cities, towns, and states will be run. The actions you are threatening belong in Mexico, not here. Why can't people like you, fix your own country instead of tearing down ours? R/ Skip
So Cal Native wrote on Oct 6, 2006 12:13 PM:I am against all illegal aliens as well as all California transplants. You are all part of the problem clogging up my state. Most of the loud mouths are not even from California so, why dont you all just BEAT IT!
Wayne wrote on Oct 6, 2006 12:14 PM:I just got back from filling up at Sam's. He happened to be inside the store so I walked in and thanked him for doing the right thing. He is a very humble and proud American. The protesters should be ashamed of themselves.
So Cal Native wrote on Oct 6, 2006 12:14 PM:I am against all illegal aliens as well as all California transplants. You are all part of the problem clogging up my state. Most of the loud mouths are not even from California so, why dont you all just BEAT IT and go back to the state or country you came from!
tired of the hate wrote on Oct 6, 2006 12:38 PM:How can you people who leave so many hateful comments be at ease with yourselves? America is indeed a country established by immigrants, with different cultures and ethnicities. To say that the latino community needs to learn the culture of amercica in order to be accepted in the community is plain stupid because what is american culture? someone define it to me? If American culture is about obeying the laws well look into the history of this county you'd be suprised. Face it people this is about racism, and to those who say it's not need to stop kidding themselves, may God bless each and everyone of you. Just like a previous comment stated "under God we are all equal"
Proud Member of Sam's Club wrote on Oct 6, 2006 1:20 PM:Just filled up my tank at Sams, made an appointment for tomorrow to get my oil changed, and met Sam. I told him that, "yes, this is an economic lesson Mr. Abed. I will continue to patronize your business because you are standing up for what is legal." While I was there I met a man filling up his RV who drove from Lakeside, a man from Vista that said, "How dare they protest this man." So Sam, Marie and Ed. Thank you so much for doing the right thing. Ron, you are on the wrong side of this issue. Our mayor Lori Pfeiler who also strongly opposed this will never get my vote. I am a proud member of Sam's Club.
DUH! wrote on Oct 6, 2006 1:49 PM:Fonseca says that illegal immigrants need to work and asks where are they going to live. Here's a concept: If they become legal immigrants, they can live and work here in the United States. If they remain as illegal immigrants, they can go back to their countries where they are originally from. Case closed, pass the chips.
Undue Burden wrote on Oct 6, 2006 2:12 PM:While I support the intentions of the ban (illegals have to realize their lawbreaking cannot go without penalty) ... However, putting the burden of enforcing federal law on home owners & rental managers is simply not feasible or functional.
Jim wrote on Oct 6, 2006 2:49 PM:"Abed said the protesters were exercising their democratic rights and that he wasn't bothered by the boycott, although he said the protest had little to do with his business." Illegals have no rights. Webster's College Dictionary; Illegal = prohibited by law; against the law; unlawful; also not authorized or sanctioned.
East Esco Resident wrote on Oct 6, 2006 2:49 PM:I just went by and filled up another vehicle. I talked to Sam Abed. Business is over double the normal level. His counter is plastered with notes of support from the many people who came by to get gas. Most had read about the boycott in the newspaper or on the radio.
Paul wrote on Oct 6, 2006 2:53 PM:Drove by Sam's gas station today. Not a protestor in sight, only some camera men. Sure was a short protest.
JoAnn wrote on Oct 6, 2006 3:08 PM:Understanding our mayor did not support the ordinance to require landlords to verify legal status of tenants, riles me to no end. If you cannot support our nations laws how can I expect her to support any law. I support Sam, Marie and Ed for doing what is right and legal. That boycott at Sam's Mobile station only caused me to drive over and fill my tank plus make an appointment for an oil change. I can only view Lori as a La Raza supporter. She is not in touch with the legal voters that put her in office. Lori and Ron are on the wrong side of what is good for our city and yes, I expect the ACLU to jump all over this. After all the ACLU has jumped on the rights for anything anti-American. Lori, you should be ashamed. Who's running against Lori in the next election???
Boo Radley wrote on Oct 6, 2006 3:39 PM:Protest, huh? Shall I go and protest at my friend's old workplace because his visa expired and he had to return to Canada due to no longer being LEGAL? These people need to get a clue. Buy gas from this guy, support him, support immigration reform and let's stop allowing Mexicans free rite of passage when other hard-working people, many with degrees, cannot move to this country.
Wesley wrote on Oct 6, 2006 4:54 PM:Mr. Abed of Escondido may enjoy the long term benefits of the correct decision to unwelcome illegals. We have a great country with many resources wisely managed in most cases. Correct management requires rules, regulations, and to some extent following the rules. Hats off to Mr. Abed Wesley
wayne wrote on Oct 6, 2006 5:10 PM:The only way for the people of our country to control our country is to fight for it whether it is at home or abroad. We are being taken over by people of many nations that want our services for nothing and do not give anything back. We have to close our borders and know what foreigners are here and where they are before all the fighting such as in Iraq is here.
IN OTHER NEWS .... wrote on Oct 6, 2006 7:37 PM:According to the Washington Post, the 700 mile Border fence will not be built!
Paul wrote on Oct 6, 2006 7:53 PM:Interesting, someone is spamming the blogs. They want to suppress free speach. I don't agree with everything said here, but BY GOD I will defend everyone's right to state their position. To close or suppress positions is obscene and smacks of totaliarian, communist or Nazi tactics.
Robert24 wrote on Oct 6, 2006 8:38 PM:Hey "Legal Mexican", who are you talking to? Are you talking to all of the illegal aliens who are here breaking the law? Are you talking to the four families stuffed in to a single family dwelling? Are you talking to people who have crossed our borders without the right to be here, and who work for cash and don't pay taxes? Are you talking to the people who expect Americans to print everything in Spanish and English, because some choose not to learn English? Are you talking to the people who use the hospital as their personal doctor's office, since they do not have insurance and know that America will treat anyone who needs treatment, regardless of ability to pay? Are you talking to the people who are driving with no drivers license and no insurance? Are you talking to people who have bogus social security cards and stolen ID's? Or are you talking to those of us who are here legally, and have earned the rights of this country? Just wondering who you are talking to, and who you are trying to blame for this. Please let us all know.......
GFN wrote on Oct 6, 2006 8:53 PM:Fix the basic problem...it is not that there are too many Mexicans; it is the impact of too many ILLEGAL Mexicans that has created a problem. The Federal Government...GWBush, responsible leader, especially...needs to get its rear-end in gear and enforce the laws on our books NOW. Then we could all be friends and assimilate the controlled influx of immigrants acceptably without the incredibly negative impacts we are now experiencing.
To Legal mexican: wrote on Oct 6, 2006 9:48 PM:And now the threats! What is the matter with you! You do not like American Democracy, where American Citizens can vote, have free speech, and have a right to decide how their cities, towns, and states will be run? The actions you are threatening belong in Mexico, not here. Why can't people like you, fix your own country instead of tearing down ours? R/ Skip"
Gary in Murrieta wrote on Oct 6, 2006 9:51 PM:I think tommorrow will be a nice day to take a drive down to Escondido, and see for myself what the town looks like. I'll make sure I drive around the outskirts also, so as to get the big picture. Of course when I am done I will buy gas at Mr. Abed's Mobile Station.
To Gary wrote on Oct 6, 2006 11:12 PM:Mind your own business. You left San Diego because it was to expensive. Don't worry about Escondido.
hello there wrote on Oct 7, 2006 1:35 PM:Why is it when people try to uphold the law on illegal immigration, racism is an issue. Are you sure your not the one who is racist?? Could we come to Mexico illegally and expect to be taken care of, no I would probably be thrown out and whatever else they wanted to do to me. Would they change their language so I could read it. No they don't give a rip. You people opposing are pathetic, why don't you open your homes and pocketbooks to all these illegals, yeah right, look who supports it now. Illegal immigrants have no rights because they are not citizens, duh, you don't need a college degree to figure that one out!..would I have rights if I moved to mexico? Don't think so. The American people are tired of illegals taking from our families and kids and crowding our schools and bleeding the economy. Why do you think Mexico supports them coming to U.S., because they are unproductive people in their own country and want a free ride here. And we have been stupid enough to allow it. Wake up Americans, we must take our country back and stop letting people who support lawbreaking criminals have a voice. They know they are wrong, but are afraid of what will happen if it changes! Illegal immigrants are a slap in the face to those immigrants who have gone through the process and done it the right way.
To Latina wrote on Oct 7, 2006 6:24 PM:If your going to make a point, at least improve your grammer. Your grammer is horrible.
anotherview wrote on Oct 8, 2006 1:17 AM:By definition, foreign nationals become illegal aliens by their entering America without their first having met the lawful requirements for doing so. As well, America owes illegal aliens nothing because these illegal aliens hold the citizenship of another country where they gain their rights, benefits, and privileges. America has no obligation to provide work or housing for illegal aliens. Ironically, the called-for boycott of Mr. Abed’s business for his supporting this ordinance occurs in a context where virtually all businesses welcome illegal aliens for their low-cost labor or their spending. With no foundation, the agricultural sector claims it cannot succeed without illegal alien workers, and falsely asserts repeatedly that Americans will not do the jobs that illegal aliens now do. Yes, Americans would do these jobs if employers offered higher wages, better benefits, and improved working conditions -- a scenario employers dread. Realistically, the agricultural sector would adapt without its present access to illegal alien workers, by introducing efficiencies and mechanization. Yes, the prices for goods and services might go up, but I believe most Americans would gladly pay more for goods and services if doing so meant the end of illegal immigration. The U. S. Congress must a law, with teeth, prohibiting employers from hiring illegal aliens, and reject any amnesty for illegal aliens. If ever built, the 700-mile fence on the U. S.-Mexico border may stem some flow of illegal aliens, but this fence looks more like a colossal asininity in the face of the simpler remedy of ending jobs for illegal aliens, and rejecting amnesty for these lawbreakers. Then, the illegal aliens would tend to self-deport. This debate has not ended. Contact your elected federal representatives urging a prohibition on hiring illegal aliens and a rejection of amnesty for illegal aliens. A host of ills fostered by the presence of illegal aliens would diminish. America can along just fine without illegal aliens.
dennis wrote on Oct 8, 2006 8:42 AM:I drove from Oceanside to fill my van up there. The illegals will not be determining my purchasing anything.
John wrote on Oct 8, 2006 8:47 AM:Looks like ive found another place to fill my tank. Thanks for taking a stand Sam.
DanielFlunked wrote on Oct 8, 2006 9:23 AM:Hey Daniel Perez, you need to retake Economics 101 because it's obvious you have no clue concerning this so-called boycott of Sam's gas station. You just gave him a 225% spike in business. All us "racists and bigots" should fill up our gas tanks at his business; I have. Like all the protests and marches during May, this "boycott" has just bitten him in his butt. as more and more Americans
Proud American wrote on Oct 10, 2006 1:12 PM:This boycott of Mr. Abed's place of business will be about as effective as May 1 aka A Day Without A Latino was. My parents came to this country 49 years ago from Michoacán, Mexico with nothing but a strong faith in God and a tremendous work ethic. They came here legally. They paid taxes, learned English, became American citizens, contributed to the community,vote , never once taking a handout. All this, and with 6th grade and 4th grade educations ! 49 years later, all 4 children are college educated, pay taxes, have 2 or less children, contribute to the community, vote, never taking handouts. I am extremely proud of my parent's accomplishments! My parents are living the American Dream. My parents did not arrive here with their hands extended, expecting to be handed everything from food, medical, housing etc. They too worked low paying jobs, eventually owning a successful business. My parents scrimped, sacrificed and saved money. My parents instilled the importance of education and hard work into their four children . This is the legacy they will leave us. These protesters do not represent me. These Latino's are an embarrassment to me. They deserve to live in squalor, deserve to never amount to anything, never have anything because it is THEIR choice to wallow in it. This is the land of opportunity. This is the greatest country in the world. Love it or leave it.
Concerned wrote on Oct 11, 2006 10:26 AM:Seems like we can't stop talking about this, although once again we have a very polarized sense of what's right or wrong. If you've read my comments, you know where I stand. That said I believe my views have been associated with being a racist, being right wing, not caring about the poor or humanity in general and the latest: Knuckle dragger! So, what I'd like to know is what those supporting amnesty, or illegal immigrants, would like to do to make things better. As a racist, etc., I would advocate securing our borders, enforcing heavy penalties for those who employ undocumented people, and the enforcement of community standards and laws regarding loitering and overcrowding. Now, I'd like to hear what the illegal advocates would like to see happen. I'm listening, with believe it or not, an open mind.
Locust wrote on Oct 12, 2006 9:40 PM:I'm a mexican of LEGAL IMMIGRANTS and I equate todays ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS to that of locust...they swarm in and consume...most profits are sent to the country of their origin and they CHOOSE to live in squalor rather then spend that money here and make a better life for themselves...they have (and show) no loyalty to this great nation and that is unacceptable. EVERYONE I have ever meet is trying to "make a better life for themselves" that is no excuse for spitting on our laws, if that exscuse is allowed to fly then all laws that has the potential to keep me from maximum profit for my family should be struck down...such as speeding and parking tickets, moving violations of any kind...you get the idea.
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