Claudia Spencer is part of unconventional anti-illegal immigrant group
By: EDWARD SIFUENTES - Staff Writer | ∞
Anti-immigration activist with the group "You Don't Speak For Me" Claudia Spencer and her husband, Michael Spencer, who founded the Vista Citizens Brigade, at Wildwood Parkin Vista on Friday.
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VISTA ---- Claudia Spencer speaks English with a heavy Spanish accent. The daughter of a humble construction worker, she grew up in a poor family in her native central Mexico.
Given her background, she might fit the mold of a conventional pro-immigrant rights activist, similar to those who have demonstrated recently against work and rental restrictions on illegal immigrants.
But instead, she frequently stands by her husband, Michael Spencer, on the opposite side of immigration rallies ---- the side that waves American flags and protests against hiring illegal immigrants at day-labor sites in North County.
Two city ordinances have put North County in the spotlight of a heated national debate about immigration reform. The Escondido City Council recently voted to bar landlords from renting to illegal immigrants. And the city of Vista approved an ordinance requiring employers to register with the city before hiring day laborers off the streets.
Claudia Spencer's stance on illegal immigration has made her a controversial figure among some Latinos, some of whom have called her a racist, she said.
But Tina Jillings, a local community activist and candidate for Vista City Council, said she believes Claudia Spencer is being used by anti-illegal immigration activists.
"They say it's not about race, but it is," Jillings said. "They believe that (having Latinos among them) gives them the entitlement to do what they do and say what they say."
Due to her activism and perhaps because of her background, Claudia Spencer has become a frequent guest on conservative TV news shows, such as "Your World with Neil Cavuto" on Fox News, speaking out against California's pro-immigrant rallies in May.
Her TV interviews brought her to the attention of the Federation for American Immigration Reform, a national group that seeks to curb illegal immigration.
Against the tide
At the time, the federation was helping to form the You Don't Speak for Me group of Latinos who oppose illegal immigration and who were looking for a platform to differentiate themselves from the predominantly Latino marchers on the streets.
It was a perfect match.
The group, launched in May, has about 3,000 members nationwide. Claudia Spencer was among its founding members, along with retired Col. Al Rodriguez, the group's chairman; Carmen Morales, a New Jersey school bus driver; and Mariann Davis, an attorney whose parents immigrated from Ecuador.
Claudia Spencer, a 37-year-old Vista resident, said last week that she would get angry at the TV images of people demanding amnesty for illegal immigrants.
Spencer, whose maiden name is Garcia, said her father's struggle in her small Mexican town to raise four children, all now university graduates, taught her that poverty in Mexico is no excuse to cross the border illegally into the United States.
"We were very, very poor," she said. "I had an opportunity to live among these people that you see in the streets of Vista, in the streets of Escondido and in the streets of all the United States ---- people that have a lot of ignorance that don't want to make any progress in their lives, and the only thing they want is to get everything easy."
While growing up in Morelia, Michoacan, she often heard people who returned from the United States saying that "gringos were stupid" and gullible, she said.
"That's what makes me very angry, when people here (say) that these people come illegally to this country because they want to survive; they want to feed their families," she said. "You know what? The person that wants to do it can do it in Mexico without violating the rights of anybody in other countries."
Sitting by her side Thursday during an interview, her husband, Michael, agreed. He started a group called the Vista Citizens Brigade earlier this year to protest against employers who hire illegal immigrants at day-labor sites.
Claudia Spencer was at his side as he started the group, and soon became a figure of the movement on her own.
A different world
Since Vista's ordinance was introduced, Michael Spencer's group has demonstrated in parking lots and on street corners where day laborers, who the group alleges are mostly working illegally, gather to wait for work. The protesters, along with several demonstrators for immigrants' rights, have waved signs and shouted at one another.
Claudia and Michael Spencer have said immigrant-rights activists are encouraging illegal behavior. Their opponents have called the anti-illegal immigration group racist and extremist.
In a speech to the National Press Club in Washington, where she was invited to speak in May, Spencer used the same terms that her husband's group, and similar groups like the SDM, have used to describe illegal immigrants. She called illegal immigrants and their supporters "mobs of foreign invaders" and "reconquistas." The Reconquista, a historical term referring to the reconquest of land by Spain in the 15th century, has been used by anti-illegal immigration groups to describe what they have argued is the takeover of the U.S. by Mexican immigrants.
"And please, please don't allow the rantings of the hordes of shameless, ungrateful, illegal foreigners to cause you to doubt yourselves on this issue," she told those in attendance.
Minority view?
Claudia Spencer was in her late 20s in Mexico when she found a magazine advertising marriages to American men. In Mexico, she said she experienced a culture where Mexican men did not appreciate successful, independent women of her age. She thought American men might be more open-minded, she said.
The ad she ran garnered hundreds of letters from American men, she said. One of them would be her future husband. The couple married eight years ago in Mexico, and she had to wait eight months for immigration authorities to process her paperwork before entering the United States.
Claudia Spencer became a U.S. citizen three years ago and continues to work part time as an architect. The couple have a 2-year-old daughter.
Her activism with the group You Don't Speak for Me has landed her in Washington, where she lobbies Congress for stricter border security.
She told the press club that the country is being invaded.
"I'm here to tell you the truth as I know it about the Mexicans who have invaded our country illegally, and I warn you right now that the truth is not pretty, and it is often quite politically incorrect," she said in her speech.
The speech and interviews like it have made her a hero among those lobbying to stem the flow of illegal immigrants, now estimated to number about 12 million in the United States.
"You're seeing a groundswell, a groundswell of people now (caring) about this," said Jeff Schwilk, a friend of the Spencers and founder of the San Diego Minutemen, an anti-illegal immigration group based in North County.
But to others, such as Jillings, Claudia Spencer is a far more controversial figure. Jillings said she believes Claudia Spencer and her group represent a small minority in the Latino community.
The two women, who have often stood at opposite sides of rallies, had a verbal confrontation in Vista earlier this year.
"I think it's a minority (in the Latino community) that feels that way," said Jillings, who is Latino. "If the majority felt that way, there would be more than Claudia Spencer standing by her man. They don't speak for me."
Which side of the illegal immigration divide one falls on is as clear as right and wrong, Claudia Spencer said. Her group plans to start a San Diego chapter soon.
"Why am I on this side?" she asked. "Because I want everything to be just. I don't care about the color of your skin. ... (My father) always taught us that you shouldn't take what doesn't belong to you, and these people are trying to take something that doesn't belong to them."
Contact staff writer Edward Sifuentes at (760) 740-3511 or esifuentes@nctimes.com.
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billy wrote on Oct 21, 2006 11:57 PM:we can all see wich group is reduced to personal insults to prove thier point.
Inspired wrote on Oct 22, 2006 4:05 AM:Claudia and those like her have the courage to go against the stream. She has my respect. Claudia gets it, Tina doesn't. Claudia has the vast majority of the US public behind her. She represents the view of immigration that we can all feel positive about. We welcome you, Claudia! Thank you for your courage and honesty.
Greg from Oceanside wrote on Oct 22, 2006 5:18 AM:Edward Sifuentes, what a surprise! You're showing us another side of the illegal alien debate for a change. My wife is US born of a Mexican mom and Spanish dad (from New Mexico). Like me, she has alway detested the idea of illegal aliens coming to this country. They cause more problems than they solve. It has been proven time after time that illegal immigrants cost more than what they contribute. They are a drain on our social welfare system, are responsible for a drain on our health care system, are responsible for the dumbing-down of our educational system, are responsible for a disproportionate amount of crime, are responsible for the high incidence of drunk-driving accidents here in San Diego county, and are responsible for the degradation of our communities. This article represents a fresh perspective that really hasn't been addressed; and that being the US citizens of Mexican descent who are against illegal immigration and want to see it stopped.
dennis wrote on Oct 22, 2006 6:16 AM:Excellent viewpoint, Claudia. Now if we could just convince the politicians of the same thing. Keep the pressure on them. Sooner or later they will have to respond to our concerns of this invasion of our country by the hoards of illegals. This situation is totally out of control and must be delt with.
pat wrote on Oct 22, 2006 7:07 AM:Thank You North County Times for printing a story about an immigrant who truly understands what it means to be an American citizen. Welcome Claudia!
Tio Taco wrote on Oct 22, 2006 7:26 AM:Pat seems to think that being American means agreeing with him. I remember during the civil rights era, George Wallace could always find someone ... to get up on the podium with him and speak trash about his own race. It always played well to the ignorant racist crowds and lent an air of respectability to the mob.
Unfortunately: wrote on Oct 22, 2006 7:37 AM:This does happen all too aften. Once people get here they become part of the establishment trying to make sure no one else gets here. Typical ignorance and arrogance. It's an "I got mine and I don't care about you" attitude.
Roberto wrote on Oct 22, 2006 8:07 AM:You don't speak for me either: I'm Mexican enough to know a liar when I hear one....I guess racism sells newspapers eh? Can't go after the Blacks anymore so picking on an rasy target.... "While growing up in Morelia, Michoacan, she often heard people who returned from the United States saying that "gringos were stupid" and gullible, she said." REPLY: A "male" order bride is exploitation in-itself. Trying to bury the xenophobia and racism against Mexicans and Mexican people is offensive. An Equadorian, Puerto-Rican and whoever else they can find to put a Latino face on their hidden agenda doesn't go without notice and initself is offensive. I'm in favour of comprehensive immigration reform and these opportunist make me sick to stomache. Wake up!...Basta!
So Cal Native wrote on Oct 22, 2006 8:09 AM:Why did Claudia pick the US to send hopefull marriage adverstisements. She could have picked any country. Just another ploy to get herself into the US the legal way. In additon, why would any man look for a bride to be thru advertisements from another country when there are plenty of quality women right here in the US not to mention here in So Cali. THIS IS PART OF THE PROBLEM
Oh come on now wrote on Oct 22, 2006 8:35 AM:Claudia married so that she could come here, you call that honorable?
Pluto wrote on Oct 22, 2006 8:43 AM:It’s one thing for Claudia Spencer and others to be concerned about the number of people entering the U.S. illegally, and another for her to defame the Mexican people as she does, saying they “have a lot of ignorance that don’t want to make any progress in their lives, and the only thing they want is to get everything easy.” She calls her countrymen as “mobs of foreign invaders”, and calls their opinions “the ratings of the hordes of shameless, ungrateful illegal foreigners”. Many others on these blogs and the Letters section have said similar things and worse. These comments are untrue generalizations, and go beyond rational discussion of immigration policy and practices. These comments show that fear and hate are behind the Minuteman movement, not facts, law and reason. I’m very sorry to see Mrs. Spencer adding fuel to the fires of U.S. racism she probably knows little about. But I’m glad that her “group” isn’t much of a group. Their last convention was at a Starbucks.
Todd wrote on Oct 22, 2006 8:50 AM:I agree with Pat...thank-you N.C.Times for finally showing the other side.Now try to convince Staff Writer David Fried!!
Sickened by Tina wrote on Oct 22, 2006 9:10 AM:Tina Jillings is a hateful woman who should be disqualified from running for any public office. I've voting for Nick Ashcraft because he has the same reasonable approach to immigration as this outstanding American, Claudia Spencer! I find it sad that native born Americans sit on their couches, while immigrant Americans are out fighting for this country. Get up off your arses!!
Nancy wrote on Oct 22, 2006 9:44 AM:Claudia has integrity and honor. The leeches who come here illegally have neither.
Paul wrote on Oct 22, 2006 9:58 AM:Great representation of the truth by Claudia Spencer. Tina Jillings is lobbying for the ILLEGALS only to try to gain popularity and she is totally wrong.
Press 1 for English, Press 2 for Deportation wrote on Oct 22, 2006 10:00 AM:Excellent story! I only wish that all immigrants a) did it legally, and b) were like Claudia. I hope you and your family have a great life here and thank you for not falling into the "gee, I'm Hispanic so I guess I'm supposed to be for open borders" crowd.
HARRY wrote on Oct 22, 2006 10:06 AM:BILLINGS SHOULD KNOW THE MEXICANS MAKE THIS ISSUE RACIST BECAUSE SO MANY ARE ILLEGALS.
Tired of illegals wrote on Oct 22, 2006 10:09 AM:Tina Jillings is the true racist here! Go Claudia!!
Maria wrote on Oct 22, 2006 10:12 AM:Claudia, I grew up here, but I have had the opportunity to travel extensively through Mexico, and I agree with you. I get angry when they talk about "stupid Americans" then they smile to their face. My mother who grew up there tells me that while jobs ARE scarce there are, jobs, but greed drives them up here. I believe that the ones standing in line and doing things the right way should be given first consideration. Logic dictates they would be more likely to follow the rules. A blanket amnesty was extended last time NOW look at the type of people we have here. I pray that those breaking the rules NOT be rewarded. For our children's sake, we are so close to anarchy as it is. God be with you Claudia, we love you and you are not alone.
Thank You Claudia wrote on Oct 22, 2006 10:39 AM:Thank you Claudia for bringing up many new fresh eye opening comments. The illegals think it's about race and they are stuck on that idea. I respect your accomplishments and your concern for the US. We need someone like Claudia to help the illegals understand what they are doing, because they just don't get it. Unfortunately they will turn their heads because it's easier to get a handout than to work for it. Tina Jillings doesn't help one iota, she needs to go away! To Greg - you have hit all the points right on the money and they are all true.
Mike wrote on Oct 22, 2006 11:06 AM:Thank you Claudia!!!
Cal_Patriot wrote on Oct 22, 2006 11:08 AM:Thank you, Edward Sifuentes, for the excellent comparison between two Latinas and their opposing positions vis-a-vis the Immigration debate raging in California. On one hand there is Claudia Spencer. She is a LEGAL immigrant who supports the rights of LEGAL immigrants AS WELL AS the need for Americans to experience safety, security and the quality of life that make up the "American Dream", that benefits us all. She personifies the respect for law and order that have helped to build America through the contributions of earlier generations of LEGAL immigrants. Tina Jillings, on the other hand, represents the growing Latino racism and breakdown of our laws and social conditions which occurs when one promotes ILLEGALITY. First there is illegal entry into the US, then we see the destruction of our communities, hospitals, schools, and justice systems. And to think that she believes that she should hold public office?!?!?!? No thanks, America does not need to import any racism nor law breakers.
God Bless Claudia wrote on Oct 22, 2006 11:12 AM:God Bless you Claudia for courage to stand up to the La Raza racists like Tina Jillings and Enrique Morons. I love to read the NC Times comments online and count those who favor ILLEGAL immigration like Pluto and then count up all of those in favor of doing things the right way which benefits ALL Americans.
John wrote on Oct 22, 2006 11:40 AM:Im absolutely sure that there are many,many Claudia's out there. El Gropeo might call them raceists too?what a bunch of misguided fools.Keep up the good hard work Claudia.
Harry wrote on Oct 22, 2006 12:15 PM:I am voting for Tina Jillings because I believe she can address and try to heal our wounded and fractured community. We need to learn to get along as neighbors.
Claudia for council wrote on Oct 22, 2006 12:20 PM:You go, girl.
another hispanic wrote on Oct 22, 2006 12:24 PM:Stay strong Claudia, we're with you!
Alejandro wrote on Oct 22, 2006 12:47 PM:Roberto calmate, and get an ENGLISH spellcheck. You speak about using generalizations while it's true that they never represent a whole, there is some truth to them. Sounds like this article struck a nerve. A LOT of criminal's family stick by them. That doesn't make them any less of a criminal. It ALSO doesn't make us racist for pointing out the truth, we understand the pain of having a loved one having to deal with the CONSEQUENCES of THIER actions. But don't call US racists. Because we ARE Mexicans.
TCM wrote on Oct 22, 2006 12:54 PM:Claudia gets it. If you want to live in this country you have to be here legally. My wife also immigrated to this country in 1991 and became a citizen in 2000. Why does anyone from Mexico or anywhere else for that matter think they should be exempt from our country's immigration laws. Round them up and put them on the express bus back to their side of the border.
Maria wrote on Oct 22, 2006 1:04 PM:To So Cal Native; Sounds like you have a problem with us marrying outside of our race. I've encountered people like you before. You see us as traitors, we see you as racists. These are modern times and a lot of the races are mixing, and we make BEAUTIFUL babies. Multi-racial children are THE most beautiful people in the world. Pay attention you'll see that what I'm saying is true. Claudia was honest about what she wanted. Can you say the same?The fact that she did it legally is commendable. - A true local.- [Who undersands that the use of the word native implies American Indian and is offensive To those.]
piepie wrote on Oct 22, 2006 1:04 PM:that is what i am talking about. a true legal mexican done the lawful way that Americans can respect. she said it right. jillings can learn alot from Claudia if she wasn't so illegal brainwashed. good for you Claudia.
Pablo wrote on Oct 22, 2006 1:12 PM:Unfortunately, seems to be of the mindset that you must set up a safehouse once you get here for all those who would come behind you. If we're NOT willing to break the oath we swore to this country, then we are ignorant and arrogant. Which actually means nothing to me considering the source. Freeloading criminals. We understand that they're you're family but don't expect US to take care of them.
Juana wrote on Oct 22, 2006 1:19 PM:Pluto we KNOW that the people coming here are the dregs of Mexican society. EDUCATED Claudia knows the truth. We, DO NOT appreciate this representation of us nor would you if you were educated and all of yours were legal.
To Harry wrote on Oct 22, 2006 1:35 PM:Get along with our nieghbors? Are you talking about the ones who hate us? Who have secretly nurtured revenge and passed it down for MANY generations? Our aggresive neighbors who are trying to bully us? DO YOU KNOW what happens when you give into a bully? If we don't stand FIRMLY NOW. We will never be free again. Groups like la raza are finally being exposed, so this is where millions of our tax dollars are going? To breed MORE hate. You cannot conquer hate with hate.
Suzanne wrote on Oct 22, 2006 2:07 PM:Excellent article by Mr. Sifuentes... Our country is SO FORTUNATE TO HAVE CLAUDIA as one of us ---an AMERICAN CITIZEN!!! She appreciates America more than many of those born here, who do nothing about this illegal invasion & sit like couch potatoes watching reality TV....THE REAL REALITY IS: We're losing our country & we all better get off our butts & fight this before it's too late. MANY THANKS to Claudia & husband, Mike for ALL they do. How sad that Tina Jillings, a U.S. citizen, sides with those who've come illegally & are destroying our country. She should be ashamed of herself.
To Pluto and All wrote on Oct 22, 2006 2:13 PM:You wrote....” She calls her countrymen as ‘mobs of foreign invaders’, and calls their opinions ‘the ratings of the hordes of shameless, ungrateful illegal foreigners’. These quotes from Claudia Spencer are from an address given by her in Washington DC on May 1, and referred to the despicable events, perpetrated primarily by Mexicans, in the streets of the US that day. This was ‘the mob’ carrying carry Mexican flags, demanding rights to which they were not entitled, claiming that this part of the US belongs to Mexico, and demanding that whites go back to Europe. If that does not qualify as 'shameless, ungrateful ranting' as she was quoted, I don't know what does. I'm sure Claudia's entire address of May 1 is on the internet somewhere if anyone is interested in understanding the context from which those quotes came. Since the rules of this blog do not permit giving website addresses, we'll all have to find it for ourselves if we are interested.
Overseas wrote on Oct 22, 2006 2:20 PM:Did she marry for US citizenship? Thats what it sounds like to me. Her and other women, from Russia to the Phillipines do this, to get out of thier countrys and then she complains about illegals. I never had a problem with illegals, until it became an issue. I guess you could say the only real problem I have with illegals is thier disrespect for this country, and the excuse is "This use to be Mexico" well, thats history and its time to move on. But I don't blame all the problems on illegals. I blame the corrupt social workers and business's for not doing their job.
My opinion wrote on Oct 22, 2006 2:40 PM:Its true that some Mexicans in Mexico say Americans are stupid but, I have done some traviling via the USAF and many other countrys feel the same way about America. They love to hate us but want to live here. Not all of the world feels this way about America. It's a question about pride and the haves and have nots. I am a hispanic and I also joined the group "You don't speak for me" the only problem I have with this orginazation is the lack of Mexican-Americans in it. Most of them are from South America and Puerto Rico, nothing wrong with that but most of them are already US citizens and are biased toward Mexicans. It's a rivalry, its like comparing Japanese to Koreans. Anyway, I have mixed feelings for Claudia bacuase she married not for love but for convience. At least thats what it looks like.
El Guero wrote on Oct 22, 2006 3:22 PM:Hey Harry: I'm afraid your critics are right. Tina Jillings is first and foremost a race baiter. She knows there's no defending massive illegal immigration from Mexico so she changes the subject to race. If you can't see that, maybe you should stop typing for a while and read the comments of your critics. They clearly know more than you do about this subject.
Mexican willing to speak the truth wrote on Oct 22, 2006 3:28 PM:So who's to say you can't fall in love with someone of your own choosing? She did it legally, and is FOR this country, not AGAINST it. While it's true that many countries speak badly of us. Not all of them are raised with vengence in their hearts. Hatred in their eyes and smiles pasted on their faces.
mail-ordered bride wrote on Oct 22, 2006 3:59 PM:she is right!, only us, mail-ordered wifes can claim onwership of this country! But Claudia, you might want read read about self-hatred.
Edgar wrote on Oct 22, 2006 4:23 PM:She met her husband by mail. Just like many of you met your other half by the internet, or by a friend. Don't judge Claudia for marrying a U.S. citizen. She is still married and proves that she married out of love. As for her stance on illegal immigration. She is a true patriot. She knows the true spirit of being an American and doing it the LEGAL way. As for me, an American, son of two mexican parents, I respect and admire Claudia for putting her race aside and asking for respect of our laws. As for the person who said that she got hers, she got hers the LEGAL way. She, like me and others is asking for others to get theirs the LEGAL way.
TM wrote on Oct 22, 2006 4:25 PM:good for you Cluadia!, not go back to Mexico, please, lead by example!
Mail order brides wrote on Oct 22, 2006 4:26 PM:You know, I have family in Mexico. Mainly in the big cities. The attitudes toward Americans are very different in the big cities then small cities. It's just like hear in the US. You have small towns in the US that resent a military presence near thier hometowns and talk trash about people from the big citie. My brother lived in Washington, one day he went to the store and when he got back to his car, his license plate had a lot of spitwads. He said that people spit at your car if it has California plates. Whats the point I'm trying to make? I don't know, I guess people from small towns or big cities dislike each other? Claudia isn't a racist just has a different point of view, but then again some hispanics don't help our situation because they only reinforce the negative sterotypes. Unfortunatley it's human nature to be like this.
Freddy wrote on Oct 22, 2006 4:32 PM:... This issue is going to result in terrible unamerican consequences. Pray all around, but we need to get off the everyone-do-your-own-thing-and-leave- me-out-of-it syndrome. Wake up and with compassion enforce the laws; but enforce the laws and the language of the USA.
American in Mexico wrote on Oct 22, 2006 4:54 PM:I'm in Mexico city for business. (I'm from San Diego). I don't know where Claudia is getting her information. I been comming here for business since the early 80s I have yet to come accross a Mexican that "hates" Americans. Many Mexicans may not fans of our (U.S.) government but they have nothing against Americans. Actually, I can attest that the opposiste is true. Claudia needs be honest and comeback to Mexico, where she says that things are not really that bad.
Canucklehead wrote on Oct 22, 2006 4:57 PM:It cost me thousands of dollars to go through the immigration process to immigrate from Canada. Not to mention the 8 months of unemployment waiting for my Green Card that was a drain on my bank account and my new American wife's paycheck. I didn't work illegally because I didn't want to break the law or jeopardize my immigration application. Why should Mexicans be treated differently? I don't understand how illegal aliens from Mexico have the nerve to work illegally and demand rights when not only are they not citizens, but they are not even legal resident aliens. Most Americans are clueless about how difficult the immigration really is. I know it was an eye-opener for my wife. You can't work legally until you go through the immigration process, apply for a Social Security Number and then you can get a driver's license. The whole process takes years, lots of paperwork and appointments with immigration.
A Real American wrote on Oct 22, 2006 5:02 PM:To people that say that Claudia got married to an American man to be able to enter this country: Can't you read? She was looking for somebody to appreciate her and respect her as a woman and give her what she was missing from many (not all) Mexican men. She never said she got married to escape from Mexico. She went to college and had a successful career in Mexico, why would she want to give up the good life that supposedly drives illegals to this country in the first place? Be sure that if she were married to an Italian man she would be in Italy, or whatever country her husband was from, that's called love.
Tired of Tuna wrote on Oct 22, 2006 5:31 PM:Here are some quotes from previous bloggers, claiming that Claudia Spencer’s motives in emmigrating to the US included…. A "male" order bride is exploitation in-itself. Why did Claudia pick the US to send hopefull marriage adverstisements. She could have picked any country. Just another ploy to get herself into the US the legal way. In additon, why would any man look for a bride to be thru advertisements from another country when there are plenty of quality women right here in the US not to mention here in So Cali. Claudia married so that she could come here, you call that honorable?" Did she marry for US citizenship? Thats what it sounds like to me she is right!, only us, mail-ordered wifes can claim onwership of this country! But Claudia, you might want read read about self-hatred To the above comments I respond…..Read the article. With all due respect for decent Mexican men, Claudia left Mexico ESCAPE Mexican men -mexicanos machismos, not for a free pass to the US. Having corresponded with a number of Latin women myself, I know for a fact that most would prefer to import a husband to their own country, rather than tear themselves away from their families, which are an important support group in Latin America. While on the subject, my motivation for such correspondence was to find a woman who was less interested in my wallet than what was in my heart. I know they exist here in the US, but as the sand runs through the hourglass, one has to make some tough decisions. Regarding the “mail order” scenario mentioned repeatedly, the article says that Claudia received 100’s of letters (and note that that was before there was any internet in Mexico, so it was about the only method to communicate). I must presume that she did not accept the 1st “order” to come in, that many letters probably came in from around the globe, and that perhaps she even met and got to know her husband before getting married. The article goes on to say that Claudia and her husband were married in Mexico, which is a whole lot different than having your bride show up on your doorstep sight unseen. Claudia speaks of ignorant Mexicans in the article, and while I don’t know the nationality of those making the above comments, it is obvious that God has gifted them with a heavy dose of ignorance. Well, he works in strange ways, doesn’t he?
Cal wrote on Oct 22, 2006 6:30 PM:American men are such "Sensitive New-Age Guys." They really know how to treat a woman right, unlike those awful Mexican bores that treat women like carne. Geeeez! Give me a break. I don't know if Claudia or if any of the above commentators profess to be Christians, but you are - stop and think about loving your fellow man. Then tone down the anti-immigrant rehtoric. It's really blowing your whole sensitivity image.
contessa wrote on Oct 22, 2006 6:44 PM:Claudia is a hero. The La Raza types can't stand when someone who is Hispanic d/n agree with their open borders, pro-illegal alien anarchist views. Get your elected officials immigration report card on www.betterimmigration.com and vote accordingly. See "you don't speak for me" press conferences on You tube.
Just the facts wrote on Oct 22, 2006 6:55 PM:In case you were curious, the 50 comments were 4-1 in FAVOR of Claudia Smith. If one is objective they will notice that Claudia's detractors used ad-hominem attacks whereas her supporters praised her principles. Gotta tell you, I'd rather have folks who are more concerned with principles than those bigoted few who gave after a person because of their opinions as neighbors. Claudia, you are a inspiration for all of us.
Roberto wrote on Oct 22, 2006 6:59 PM:American in Mexico wrote on October 22, 2006 4:54 PM: Spell it bud...she's a liar! Racist stereotypes: 1) "Claudia left Mexico ESCAPE Mexican men -mexicanos machismos" 2)"we can all see which group is reduced to personal insults to prove thier point." 3)"good for you Cluadia!, not go back to Mexico, please, lead by example!" Sounds to me that she married a wallet and an opportunist. She has low self esteem and a vigilante to manipulate her. As for Alejandro..calmate?. U say despiertate! Wake up and smell the chili powder thrown in your eyes ala stereotype.
Dan (Temecula) wrote on Oct 22, 2006 7:28 PM: For one there are probably would be alot more members of the group you don't speak for me, but those people are scared to come forward in fear of being harrased, and possibly (most likely) get hurt by people in there neighborhood. My hat is off to Mrs. Spencer, and her husband. As far as people and there fast judgement to come down on her for being a mail order bride, but that is a whole lot better than coming here illegally for the reason of making your child a American citizen to collect welfare. Not to mention she although married to a citizen, she still had to wait. But when you give birth to a child you are automatically given free social services. I say when a child is born here illegally that after proper medical attention they be shipped back to Mexico, but if the mom would like we could put the baby up for adoption. That right there, and going viciously after employers who hire illegals should stop them from coming illegally, and make them understand to stand in line, and when your name is called to be prepared to be an outstanding law abiding citizen. One more thing she states that when she still lived in Mexico that when some of the newly deported came back they would say stuff like those gringo's are stupid. Well they are absolutly right. We give to them so freely for in return a major increase in violent crimes, drugs,major debt, and disease. But yet some of you Americans still believe we should give amnesty. It's a wonder that most supporters are Latino that are for it, but if I came from a country so violent, and corrupt I would not want them coming here for free. The fact is most supporters have a family member they would like to become a citizen, and 12 million others are ok as long as theres family becomes one. Either that or they really are looking to take over are country. Think about it!!!!
To Tired of Tuna wrote on Oct 22, 2006 7:36 PM:So questioning the motives of some actions makes us ingorant? Some "smart" argument. The question still remains, "master, tired of Tuna", please enlighten us with your your infinite knowledge: is she mail-ordered bride or not? Don't ge me wrong, Claudia still a pioneer, SHE HAS REDIFINED AND GIVEN A NEW MEANING TO HYPOCRACY.
mexican male wrote on Oct 22, 2006 7:38 PM:Claudia thank god you find a husband. Now, go back to Mexico, it's nice there, why are you here?
Jimbo wrote on Oct 22, 2006 7:48 PM:Pluto, I would like to respond to your comment. According to the Center for Immigration studies (google their website), the demographic in this country that has been least progressive in terms of secondary education is Mexicans. Even 2nd and 3rd generation. This would support Claudia's statement about not making progress. Also, take a look at the people receiving welfare in this country...illegal Mexicans in CA alone received 10 BILLION dollars last year. This lends to her statement about ungratefulness when one also notes that they have taken to OUR streets, waved THEIR flag, and made demands on OUR gov't to make them citizens of a country that they illegally entered and don't even support. You and your side can use the "racist" response all you want. This is your only defense, and it is baseless. I don't care what color or creed someone is. I don't like paying for ANYONE who breaks the law, and is rewarded by it. I am a tax payer, and I have every right to be upset about those who illegally invade my country and take from our system. In any other country on this earth, do you think it is just a passive crime to enter illegally? Just something that is commonplace? No, it is not. And for a country that has been attacked visciously as on 9/11, it is absolutely ABSURD that there is any tolerance of border breaching what-so-ever. Furthermore, as stated by Claudia, I too have heard with my own ears Mexicans refer to Americans as "stupid Americans", so who are the racists now? As an American, I would like to extend a warm welcome to anyone who wishes to come here, learn the language, truly strive for a financially independent and successful livelihood (this means not depending tax payers to fund their needs),behave in civl and law abiding manner, lend their best potential and skills, and last but not least pledge allegiance to and only to the Stars and Stripes.
Mr.Leon wrote on Oct 22, 2006 7:52 PM:go claudia!it is great to heard about an hispanic like me who does not support the mexican racist reconquista.it is funny when one hispanic call another racist for not support the illegal behavior and the racist complot of this hatred groups,they are the racist pigs who got clans called la raza(the race)
Sick in Saipan wrote on Oct 22, 2006 7:56 PM:All I gather from this chat is mudslinging.. To Claudia I say.. I don't consider looking for an American husband to be honorable or full of integrity.. yeah you did it legally.. but it's still not love.. and for everybody.. I say.. Go after the employers and Corporate America..they are they ones that benefit from hiring illegals as well as we all do who want to pay cheap prices.. like anybody with a US passport is going to pick strawberries for a living.. ha ha ha.. so leave the immigrants alone.. it is the simple law of Economics.. No demand.. NO SUPPLY... NO JOBS.. no immigtants.. but that will never happen because we all want to pay low prices.. can't have your cake and eat it too America..!! wake up and deal with the consequences.. of your greediness..and double standards.. as well as hypocrisy!!!
educated Mexican wrote on Oct 22, 2006 7:58 PM:Did anyone see that movie, Crash? When one black man turns to the other trying to jack his car and says "You embarass me, you embarass yourself" One is educated well adjusted and trying so hard to overcome the stereotypes. The other is a woe is me cliche. Believe me when I say we carry no self hatred. Those of us not vested emotionaly in anyone illegal. Who have an education and feel loyalty to THIS country are called traitors, racists and every other name in the book. I'm sad to say that the woe is me cliche overwhelmingly outnumber us, and while it's true that not ALL mexicans hate Americans, a LOT do. The ones that are very vocal often display the Mexican flag on their property or car. So if you believe that tripe about how they don't hate Americans check out la raza or aztlan ,chicano pride, ect. They usually won't tell you to your face. Maybe you could learn a little spanglish.
Jimbo wrote on Oct 22, 2006 8:16 PM:to Saipan, to you I say this: I believe many Americans do value those who work hard labor in the fields. This is a good concept, and should be maintained as an oppurtunity for LEGAL immigrants (guest workers). However, this is not an excuse for thousands of illegal breaches of the border every year. This is not an excuse for our "government" to turn a blind eye. Such valued aspects of immigration can be regulated. It is possible. The key is getting our "lawmakers" to realize that an all or nothing approach is not necesarry and for the departments responsible for immigration affairs to actually enforce our laws. A little stepped up border security would bbe nice. Also, (slightly different subject) it probably wouldn't hurt if the ACLU would stop insisting on voters not needing to produce valid ID at the voter's booth. It also might not hurt if law enforcement agencies were allowed to ask those who break the law of their immigrant status, and then turn illegals over to the proper authorities for deportation. I say 1 strike..your out.
To Mr Roberto wrote on Oct 22, 2006 8:17 PM:So if a person see's right and wrong, she must have low self esteem. She doesn't feed into the beverly hillbilles mob. She forms her own opinions and has the guts the matzi to be public about it. Roberto wake up there are many of us much more than you realize it's hard for some of us to be so vocal because of neighbors and aquaintences we still have to deal with. But trust me when I say we will be voting accordingly. The proof is in the pudding. Do you understand what that means? Maybe you could have someone explain the etimology of that idiom for you.
To Mr Roberto wrote on Oct 22, 2006 8:20 PM:So if a person see's right and wrong, she must have low self esteem. She doesn't feed into the beverly hillbilles mob. She forms her own opinions and has the guts the matzi to be public about it. Roberto wake up there are many of us much more than you realize it's hard for some of us to be so vocal because of neighbors and aquaintences we still have to deal with. But trust me when I say we will be voting accordingly. The proof is in the pudding. Do you understand what that means? Maybe you could have someone explain the etimology of that idiom for you. By the way in case you didn't figure it out I'm Mexican too.
Born American wrote on Oct 22, 2006 8:26 PM:when Claudia sold herself as a mail order bride the immigration debate wasn't a big issue so I am sure she didn't have the same views then.She must have gotten tired of waiting for her green card to be approved and realized it would speed up the process if she married a romatic American thru a magazine.Thats so honorable.I'm sure her husband has nothing to do with her stance."hey honey,either you're with me or against me or it's back to Mexico for you"!
Proud American of Mexican Descent wrote on Oct 22, 2006 8:34 PM:Tina Jillings does not speak for me or my numerous family members. Nor will she ever. I am American first and always and illegal is illegal!
THX! wrote on Oct 22, 2006 8:44 PM:Claudia is more patriotic American than most Americans. She's one smart, classy lady. Thank you Ms. Spencer for your stand for what is right.
What a good American should be! wrote on Oct 22, 2006 8:46 PM:Claudia and her father should be commended. His belief that you don't take from others just because you are poor is right on the mark. Claudia and her family is exactly the type of people we need in America, not the illegal spongers that the vast majority of the illegal immigrants appear to be!! Jillings is a total racist who does not believe in the rule of law.
TC wrote on Oct 22, 2006 9:05 PM:You can't make those comments Roberto. Why? Because if you (or I) disagree and see things from a different perspective, i.e. Claudia suffers from an entreme case of self-hatred, we somehow are "igonorant". I't is clear that she is desperately trying to be accepted by the so-called anti-immigration crowd. And she has, for now. I wonder where she hides during the meetings between his anti-immigration buddies and white supremacists. They call Latinos racists, that's a new one.
Steve wrote on Oct 22, 2006 9:09 PM:Just wanted to say that we are lucky to have Claudia here in America. She could have ended up somewhere in Europe or anyother place, except Mexico, the "mail ordered bride system" is international. So lets not take her for granted, Claudia still young and mail order bride program still an option.
undocumented immigrant wrote on Oct 22, 2006 9:17 PM:I have a few questions, if any of you is kind enough to answer them. First, I came to the United States because I don't like Mexican females, they're too submissive. Can I stay, just like Claudia? I promise I'll joint the Minutemen. Second, if your answer is no, I can't stay. Then is it okay to go back to Mexico and mail-order an American wife (preferibly white) and then come to the United States? Again, I promise to be most loyal anti-immigration Latino you'd ever seen! I just don't know what else to do! But wait, why am I so stressed? Things are not bad in Mexico. Lets go back Claudia.
Sue wrote on Oct 22, 2006 9:24 PM:This is one of the stupidist thing I have ever heard. It is okay for you to immigrate because you took out an ad to marry an American guy so you are not one of those "bad' immigrant people. Guess all the other mexican ladies need to carry a sign around saying "Will marry to be American." Kind of like will work for food. Oh - that is what they are doing already.
Vista Tom wrote on Oct 22, 2006 9:35 PM:Mike and Claudia are the real deal. While you were watching the game or shopping Mike was working hard and sacrificing much to help clean up a dangerous day laborer situation in Vista and other cities. Claudia is a true American immigrant patriot who has taken much abuse and hatred from the pro-illegal alien activists for speaking out and sticking up for the country of her choice. Mike and Claudia are doing this for the future of their child and other American children so they grow up in a better America. Tina's motives are obvious. Vote for politicians who are against illegal immigration and not for comprehensive immigration laws.
Tired of Tuna wrote on Oct 22, 2006 10:08 PM:To Mr./Ms. To Tired of Tuna, who writes "So questioning the motives of some actions makes us ingorant? Some "smart" argument. The question still remains, "master, tired of Tuna", please enlighten us with your your infinite knowledge: is she mail-ordered bride or not? Don't ge me wrong, Claudia still a pioneer, SHE HAS REDIFINED AND GIVEN A NEW MEANING TO HYPOCRACY." Would you please translate the above into something understandable by those of us living on this planet. I'll be happy to address your issues and answer your questions, but honestly, this sounds like something from the mouth of Charles Manson. Get your more cogent and coherent friends to help you bring it back down into the realm of reality, please.
jorge wrote on Oct 22, 2006 10:44 PM:I agree completely that mexico is a racist culture. A number of years ago on a trip to Nogales, AZ, I walked by an elementary school. A couple dozen children ran towards me screaming various racist slurs, degrading to Americans. Claudia has accurately described the mindset of the average mexican. Sadly, I see the same racist tendencies of mexicans living in the US. mexicans cannot understand how americans can be alarmed at illegal immigration because the mexican world is constructed around skin color and not national identity or democratic ideals. Its La Raza first and foremost. That is why there is a complete disconnect between sides. Mexican see their world in terms of skin color, while Americans see their world in terms of laws and governance.
Edgar wrote on Oct 22, 2006 11:07 PM:For those who have misrepresented Mrs. Spencer, she is proud of her heritage and background. But, eventhough she had a poor childhood, she DIDN'T cut corners or break the law. She is a brave American who is women enough to call an illegal what he is, ILLEGAL. All you reconquistas and proud to be Mexican-hate to become American, you should all learn from Claudia. What is most powerful about her, is that she is a hispanic. How can the other side claim that being against illegal immigration is racist if she is hispanic? So sad it takes a hispanic woman to expose the pro-illegal "racist" claim as a lie.
To mexican male wrote on Oct 22, 2006 11:48 PM:You said "Claudia thank god you find a husband. Now, go back to Mexico, it's nice there, why are you here?" Well, I’m not a mind reader, and I don’t want to put words into Claudia’s mouth, but I’ll wager that Claudia stays in the US because Mexico is full of mexican males like you.
born in Germany but legal wrote on Oct 23, 2006 1:03 AM:It doesn't take a brain surgeon to see why Edward Sifuentes thought he needed to explain how Claudia met her husband. She was not a "mail order" bride but met him the same way a lot of people do these days...by advertising. It is clear why she didn't want a Latino husband. Appearing to be impartial but adding not so subtle digs is not good reporting. The reason some people think deporting illegals is racist is because the vast majority of them in California are from Mexico! So it is easy to pin this racist label on them. No one cares where an illegal alien comes from....we just think they should get to the back of the line behind everyone else who would like to live legally in the United States of America. Stop calling them immigrants and undocumented workers when in fact, they are ILLEGAL ALIENS. The choice of words used by this newspaper when reporting about illegal aliens is clearly not impartial at all.
CEP wrote on Oct 23, 2006 6:30 AM:Which side ALWAYS brings up race? Funny how the "racist" never mention it. The other side is preoccupied with it because theat is ALL they have. No arguments of substance only name calling! Thank God for people like Claudia Spencer!
Carmen wrote on Oct 23, 2006 6:50 AM:I have one comment to make on Claudia Spencer. Did this woman forget where she came from? A mail order bride who looks for a husband in the United States is a complete idiot and dishonorable. It was HER only way to put her stinky feet on the USA.
Real_Cal wrote on Oct 23, 2006 8:43 AM:Claudia for PRESIDENT !
Real_Cal wrote on Oct 23, 2006 8:46 AM:Cal's comment from Oct 22nd is unreal, I can only guess he/she wants the US to be downgraded to 3rd world status. I'd like to know why the catholic church promotes this concept.
ONTIME wrote on Oct 23, 2006 10:52 AM:LOOKS LIKE CLAUDIA HAS AN ABILITY TO EXPRESS RESPECT, WHICH IS MORE THAN I CAN SAY FOR MANY OF OUR OWN CITIZENS AND LATELY THE COLLEGE STUDENTS AND THEIR ADMINISTRATORS SEEM TO STANDING OUT PROMINATELY IN THEIR ATTEMPT TO SUBVERT AMERICAN TRADITIONS, POLITICS AND LAW. MAYBE THE WOOD SHED OUGHT TO BE EMPLOYED ONCE AGAIN.
Dana G. wrote on Oct 23, 2006 10:55 AM:How convenient for Claudia that American feminists worked for years to improve women's status in both the workplace and the home. Misogynous Mexico needs women like her to stay home and do likewise. I'm sorry to learn that she is just another Mexican moocher, only a better educated one than most.
Claudia wrote on Oct 23, 2006 10:58 AM:WOW I just saw this and my face went red and hot. I am soo embarrassed to know an "educated" person like you will express herself like this about her own people. I wonder what your parents will say about you. I am an educated Mexican will NEVER let my people down. I can relate to your childhood, I suffered probably more than you, but that is not the reason to go against my people. You are MEXICAN and will never change that. You don't speak for me either, and I am proud of any human being who fights for a better life. God Bless you and hope you'll soon find what's missing in your heart.
To: Claudia wrote on Oct 23, 2006 11:17 AM:You embarass me! I truly feel sad; that people like you have such a low self steem for if you are ashame of your origin and embarass of where you came from you are certainly embarass of your own parents and therefore embarass of the blood that runs through your entire body. It makes me sick to my stomach that people like you are still out there name calling and trying to cover their own shame I truly feel you are indeed ashame of being born a Mexican. I am also a Mexican born national and I love this country; this is my home and my kids home. But it saddens me that people like you even exist. How can you live with your self? You shameless mexican born cougard; you certainly can not speak for me. God has giving me the wisdom to know who to stand for and who to be diligent against. Your will not prevail for your unjustifiable comments will die for we are regardless of our race, origin and color skin will remain and will become one. Mexican (Hispanic), Asian, European, African they will keep coming for this is the land opportunity and who is going to stop them...you! Listen you just woke up the beast.
Legal Hispanic wrote on Oct 23, 2006 11:20 AM:My hat's off to Claudia. As a Hispanic, U.S. born of legal immigrant stock, former serviceman, qho lived four years in Mexico, I happen to agree with Claudia's assessment of Mexican masculinity. The word Misogyny is quite fitting... I too saw in Mexico the smug condescension in which they hold our laws and institutions when it comes to their greed. To understand this, one only needs to see how Mexicans do uphold their immigration laws. Claudia's use of a service of publication is nut unlike today's use of web services such as Match or myspace. That she's been with her husband for eight years should squelch any criticism of her motives or methods to find a man. She easily could have ended up married to a brit or a Canadian... Like Claudia, I feel that neither NCLR nor LULAC and much less MALDEF speak for my interests as an integrated and legal latino. I write to my congressmen, I contribute to newspapers opinion pages and do all I can to maintain this issue front and center in the minds of voters and elected officials. None of these amnesty promoting, open-borders boosting traitors deserve anything less than a swift legal process for encouraging and promoting the arrival and permanence of illegal aliens. Count me in Caludia.
JIGSAW wrote on Oct 23, 2006 12:02 PM:Claudia is all-American 100%. As a Mexican-American, I have also seen the mentality of the Mexican people. They don't pay taxes even in their own country. Their favorite motto is "el que no tranza no avanza", "does who do not cheat, do not advance". It is a very popular and commonly used motto. The gullible gringo has yet to learn this from the illegal immigrant culture. Mexico is a third world country because people do not respect their institutions and do things illegaly. Thank God, Claudia has the cojones to expose this culture to the American people. Loving your race, is to acknoledge its weaknesses. Those illegal-supporters who are bashing Mrs. Spencer should take a note from her and admit that their culture is a "take it for free" culture. Claudia is the true Mexican who is gladly welcomed in our beloved United States. Gracias Claudia!
To JIGSAW wrote on Oct 23, 2006 12:42 PM:I don't know what makes people think illegal immigrants don't pay taxes. Mmm ignorance? You should also know they get taxed and are never able to get money back like many of us. and for Claudia, I am very sorry for you lady, your loving husband is using you for his racists purposes, but will not prevail.
Patriot wrote on Oct 23, 2006 1:24 PM:When someone like Claudia speaks up, it makes La Raza, El Grupo and their supporters seethe. How dare someone from Mexico set the outrageous example of immigrating to the United States legally? Their only comeback for such a person speaking up? Disparaging personal insults.
Maricella wrote on Oct 23, 2006 1:55 PM:To Patriot; I'm glad that others see these insults for what they are... The next time someone sees a Mexican couple pay attention and notice how demeaning he is to her. That movie crash WAS so right on. "YOU EMBARASS ME, YOU EMBARASS YOURSELF" Culture demands that we protect the criminal element within us, but if we do that, we perpetuate the criminalistict gov we are so desperately trying to escape. I for one do not want this to become another Mexico
M wrote on Oct 23, 2006 1:59 PM:To TC and Roberto, we just don't like Mexican men, all show no substance. I think you get the picture.
Concerned wrote on Oct 23, 2006 2:15 PM:I applaud this lady for taking a strong stand. The German guy had it right, the writer was totally setting the stage to humiliate the lady. So it took a lot of guts, and a hard hat, to go through the interview process. Oh and that part about Mexicans thinking Americans are stupid...well duhhh. What other country would allow political correctness to go this far. Or for that matter, to allow an organization like the ACLU totally destroy the country. Yeah, I know, you won't post this. But maybe (Andrew) you'll think about it.
NRG4U wrote on Oct 23, 2006 2:37 PM:Sounds like this couple is what people used to be like back in the old days: involved, patriotic, concerned, hard working and willing to volunteer their time and resources to bettering their communities. Wish there were more people that had Mrs. Spencer's American spirit. Proud to have them in our community setting a respectable example. Thx to M/M Spencer for your service.
Roberto wrote on Oct 23, 2006 2:37 PM:"While growing up in Morelia, Michoacan, she often heard people who returned from the United States saying that "gringos were stupid" and gullible, she said." REPLY: A liar with low self esteem. If it wasn't that bad where she came from why then did this Male ordered bride come here?...comtempt for her father who is Mexican male? All Mexican men are like she speaks?...give me a fricking break you whiny bunch of xenophobes. They say water seeks its own level and this Husband of hers found his and as they all like to say, they don't speak for me either..
Chad wrote on Oct 23, 2006 2:40 PM:Claudia Spencer is a ... to Mexicans and Americans. Wether she likes it or not she is M-E-X-I-C-A-N! If she's acting against her own people, then she can easily turn her back on the U.S. Viva North America!
Becky from Vista wrote on Oct 23, 2006 2:57 PM:This entire article is about Claudis Spencer. Tina Jillings has two lines in this article how can we possibly come to any conclusion about the woman? What comparison are you talking about? I am thinking you have a preconceived conclusion already made up in your mind. I don’t know much about Tina Jillings and I think maybe Edward Sifuentes did her a disservice in quoting her in this article. I believe to be completely fair an article about Tina Jillings should follow. Is she a Latino because with a name like Jillings it is hard to tell? Come NCT give us the scoop.
To Becky wrote on Oct 23, 2006 3:23 PM:Tina, is a Latina and at least she is not against her of her race, she is in favor of them. Tina is a brave woman who stands for what she believes and defends those whose human rights have been violated. It would be great to have an article about her, so that people know what a wonderful person she is. She is the example of woman we should follow. A mother, a wife, a friend, a US citizen and human who cares for others. Goo Tina!!!
So Cal Native wrote on Oct 23, 2006 5:15 PM:I beg to differ M. Mr. Spencer has probably brainwashed her with threats of sending her back home the rest of the illegal aliens. I know so many white men that treat there woman like crap and are selfish so, its not just one race fool because, you always have a certain percentage from all races that bring down there particular race. Now we will have an influx of mexican woman that will do the same thing thus, keeping the Latin heritage alive and strong.
RBurgundy wrote on Oct 23, 2006 5:19 PM:How are undocumented immigrants stepping on our rights? Oh wait, I forgot this is the issue of our time...woo, watch out for the illegals. So do gay illegals step on our rights twice if they get married? I wonder what Rove will come up for the next election. Maybe gay, married, flag-burning illegals will be their reason to vote ...
About Tina Jillings wrote on Oct 23, 2006 6:07 PM:If all this