Neighbor: Bilbray being investigated by grand jury

By: WILLIAM FINN BENNETT - Staff Writer | Thursday, October 26, 2006 11:31 PM PDT

Brian Bilbray

NORTH COUNTY ----- A neighbor of Republican 50th District Rep. Brian Bilbray said Thursday that he was subpoenaed to testify before a San Diego County grand jury in August and spent about an hour and a half answering questions about whether Bilbray lived in his Carlsbad neighborhood.

Meanwhile, an official with the Republican Party of San Diego County has asked for an investigation into Democratic candidate Francine Busby's alleged use of illegal immigrants in her campaign.

Speculation has swirled around the Bilbray's residence issue for days, with Democrats and Busby's campaign claiming they had received calls from several of Bilbray's Carlsbad neighbors, saying they had been called to testify before a grand jury investigating the congressman's residence.

The allegations that Bilbray was not living where he said he was first surfaced in May, just weeks before a special election to pick a temporary replacement for the seat formerly held by the now-imprisoned Randy "Duke" Cunningham. The Vietnam War ace pleaded guilty to bribery and tax evasion late last year and is now serving an eight-year, four-month prison sentence.

On a voter registration form that Bilbray signed in June 2005 and his statement of candidacy, which he signed in February, he lists his official residence as Carlsbad. His mother owns the home and Bilbray has said that he moved into the house in mid-2005 to help care for the woman, who uses a wheelchair.

However, because he has three homes, one in Carlsbad, one in Imperial Beach and one in Virginia ---- and on different documents has claimed each of them as his residence ---- Democrats called on the district attorney's office in May "to investigate whether Mr. Bilbray committed perjury or voter fraud."

The U.S. Constitution does not require that a member of Congress live in the same district he or she is representing, but they must live in the same state.

Reached Thursday night, Bilbray said that he "absolutely" has not been called to testify before a grand jury and has no knowledge as to whether such an investigation is ongoing. He attributed the allegations to a last-minute campaign smear.

"It's like who can race to the bottom the fastest without talking about the issues," he said.

A spokesman for Bilbray sent to the North County Times on Thursday a copy of a letter addressed to San Diego County District Attorney Bonnie Dumanis, in which the person who signed it asks that she "investigate allegations that Francine Busby has encouraged illegal immigrants to participate in her campaign to the U.S. House of Representatives, and determine if there is an additional presence of illegal aliens in her campaign organization."

The letter is signed by Tony Krvaric, an officer with the San Diego County Republican Party.

The fact that someone is under investigation by a grand jury in no way implies guilt of any crime.

William Rider, 61, said he has lived in the 2400 block of Unicornio Street, the same Carlsbad street as Bilbray's mother, for the last 11 years. He showed a reporter Thursday what appeared to be a subpoena ordering him to appear before a county criminal grand jury at 1:30 p.m. Aug. 30. The paper carried the name of Patrick O'Toole, special operations division attorney.

Rider, who said he is a registered Democrat but considers himself an independent, said that after receiving the subpoena, he called O'Toole and asked if he could anticipate the summons and testify on Aug. 29, a proposal O'Toole accepted, Rider said.

Asked why he had decided to come forward just days before the Nov. 7 general election, Rider said he was doing so as a public service. He also said that he had consulted his attorney before stepping forward, and his attorney told him that he could legally talk to the media about his testimony before the grand jury.

"If they want to prosecute me for telling the truth and doing what's right, let them," Rider said.

Rider said that he supports Busby, but has not contributed money to her campaign and was not contacted by her or her staff with a request to come forward. He said he contacted them, saying that he wanted to disclose his participation in the investigation.

He said that on the day he appeared, he was taken into a room at the county courthouse on Broadway and answered questions from O'Toole and others from jurors. Rider said the questioning lasted about an hour and a half. He said that after first admonishing him not to discuss the proceedings outside of the courtroom and telling him that he was not the focus of the investigation, O'Toole said the jury was trying to determine whether somebody in his neighborhood in fact lived there.

O'Toole then proceeded to ask him a series of questions, like: "Did he know where Bilbray's mother lived? If he could see the mother's home from his house? How often he drove by Bilbray's house? If he had ever seen Bilbray helping his mother out of the house."

Rider said that O'Toole asked if he had ever seen Bilbray at the house.

"I believe I told him I had seen him there once or twice and that was eight or nine years ago," Rider said.

Contact staff writer William Finn Bennett at (760) 740-5426, or wbennett@nctimes.com.

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Frida. wrote on Oct 26, 2006 11:26 PM:Bilbray is shady, can't really trust these republicans now can you? 50th District has had bad luck.

Busby DID use illegal wrote on Oct 27, 2006 12:05 AM:aliens in her campaign. They put signs up on our property without asking if they could when I went out to confront the gentleman he didn't speak a word of English and the tags on the old truck he was driving were expired.

RJM wrote on Oct 27, 2006 3:35 AM:No surprise here. Just the wheels of justice moves so slow. It takes big heuvos to claim to be a resident of the district when all the facts say not. With the grand jury looking into it, does this mean criminal charges are possible? In any case, Ted Bundy could win the 50th as long as he is running as a Republican.

Ron wrote on Oct 27, 2006 5:06 AM:What a fricking hit piece.... "...what appeared to be a subpoena..."? Hey here's a question...? Does Mr. Bennett even know what a grand jury subpoena looks like? "...what appeared to be a subpoena...", "...The paper carried the name of Patrick O'Toole.." Hey Genius, how come you never called Mr. O'Toole to verify??? Might as well called Peter Fricking Pan. Oh, and the story goes on... "Rider, who said he is a registered Democrat but considers himself an independent,...Asked why he had decided to come forward just days before the Nov. 7 general election, Rider said he was doing so as a public service...Rider said that he supports Busby, but has not contributed money to her campaign and was not contacted by her or her staff with a request to come forward. He said he contacted them, saying that he wanted to disclose his participation in the investigation." Ah, and there you have it, So you have one person in this story, uncorroborated by anyone else, including the missing O'Toole, and this is worthy of the front page of the Times? Wow, you better put Mr. Bennett up for a Pulitzer right now! The Times has become the National Enquirer. The only thing missing from this "story" is aliens from Venus, and the baby bord with angel wings.

No to lobbyists wrote on Oct 27, 2006 5:44 AM:Tell the politicians no more lobbyist influence in congress. We have been fleeced enough. Vote NO on Bilbray!

Tory wrote on Oct 27, 2006 6:44 AM:Your newspaper sucks big time! Why do you not print uplifting newsworthy happenings? You print doom and gloom every day. There are a lot of great and wonderful things happening every day here, and in Iraq, but one never reads about them in the news. Why are you picking on Mr. Bilbray? He is an excellent man, and candidate who will do good things for the 50th district. Why not show and tell the real disaster that ... Busby would bring to the 50th district, if elected?

Harry wrote on Oct 27, 2006 6:48 AM:Any legislator from Solana Beach who would vote to allow oil rigs off the coast as one of his first votes (after giving himself a payraise) is clearly a carpet bagger who doesnt give a darn about representing the district. I bet he takes better care of the interests of Virginia, where he will be spending that raise.

Amanda wrote on Oct 27, 2006 6:56 AM:I wonder if we too can get an investigation into one of the Oceanside's troika? I have heard for years that one does not live in the city....

Marcus wrote on Oct 27, 2006 7:24 AM:This is what passes for news in North County. Willian Finn Bennett has always been a hack writer with a purpose, but this goes over the line. As does the silly request by the Reps to have Busby investigated for possibly using illegal aliens. Doubt that happened. However, if Busby continues to play dirty politics then everything is fair game.

Ann wrote on Oct 27, 2006 7:44 AM:I am a life long republican of over 40 years, and I will NEVER vote for a lying Duke Jr who supports oil rigs off our coast. He will never be a representative of mine. Bilbray go home to IB, or Cheveron.

Jeff wrote on Oct 27, 2006 8:02 AM:We should end residency requirements. Voters can decide whether the candidate should represent them or not. If they want to hire that person for the job, that should be their privilege. If voters think that lack of residency makes that person unsuitable, they can vote accordingly.

What?: wrote on Oct 27, 2006 8:26 AM:The guy is in trouble already? Look. For you underpriviledged folks out there - It is possible to live in three or more houses at once and call them all your residence. You just have to do the bookkeeping correctly. He is just smart enough to manage that. Well, just barely. I mean, he is not a rocket scientist.

SMEAR BRIAN wrote on Oct 27, 2006 8:28 AM:This guy is obviously out to smear Brian.

not a big deal wrote on Oct 27, 2006 10:08 AM:Bilbray is a lobbyist/politician he obviously used his mom's address to try to appeal to us North County people that he is one of us. Who cares if he doesnt' really live there, is he the best candidate to represent us, in my mind he is not. People think the illegal immigration issue is the only issue in this campaign, I disagree. With or without Bilbray, the Congress won't do anything to the powerful business interests that hire illegal immmigrants. All they have to do is jail people who knowingly hire illegal workers for a long period of time, never gonna happen so the issue will remain, meanwhile we are going to build 700 more miles of fence that won't stop anyone.

Oh No, Mr. Bill! wrote on Oct 27, 2006 10:10 AM:The silence of Bilbray's head hitting the pillow is deafening. Perhaps it was the rustle of subpoenas that I heard.

Ed wrote on Oct 27, 2006 10:51 AM:Just what North County needs: another Duke Cunningham. The voters of our district desserve better from their elected officials.

Sam wrote on Oct 27, 2006 11:01 AM:Didn't Bilbray use the "illegal alien" argument in his loss to Susan Davis? That was a different district, but those pesky aliens are everywhere. Remember if you've got a resident alien card, it doesn't make you an illegal alien.

Momo wrote on Oct 27, 2006 11:06 AM:So now its absolutely clear that there IS a grand jury investigation which Bilbray has denied. He completely misrepresented himself to be a resident of the 50th district (which is not against the law) but does disclose that he can't be trusted to tell the constituents of the 50th district the truth. It makes me wonder what else is Bilbray is hiding from us? I will vote Busby I've had enough of the repub. candidates and we need a change. If Busby doesn't work out then we'll vote someone else in next time but the reign of error has to end.

susan wrote on Oct 27, 2006 11:38 AM:It certainly gives one reason to wonder...Mr. Bilbray has been denying that this investigation even existed, and claiming residency in three different places at the same time. Hmm...now a witness comes forward and says it did in fact happen. Can anyone trust him after this?

Bounce the Carpetbagger wrote on Oct 27, 2006 11:44 AM:Bilbray's ludicrous claim of Carlsbad residency just adds insult to injury. It's bad enough he's another uneducated rubber stamp for Bush. He is a "representative" who doesn't give a damn about the concerns of the people he supposedly represents. Enough!

Cal wrote on Oct 27, 2006 12:05 PM:Fall in San Diego - sorched earth and plenty of mud to sling.

From Democrat-Robert wrote on Oct 27, 2006 12:16 PM:Im a lifelong democrat and must say this article goes way over the top. NCT pains me in that this kind of "hit" piece can be issued to support Ms. Busby. Gentleman, you have now lit the fuse for a horrid backlash against the Ms. Busby. There is nothing else the voters will take from this type of smear. Im sure the County DA will soon come out and again endorse Mr. Bilbray as she did in the June runoff then what will be your "spin"? You should be ashamed!

Just remember when you wrote on Oct 27, 2006 12:21 PM:go to the polls, BUSBY SUPPORTS AMNESTY and guestworker programs. We can fix ANYTHING else but we need someone to fight like hell to save our country from this invasion of ILLEGAL aliens. Busby won't do it. Feinstein won't do it and neither will Boxer. WE MUST ELECT FEDERAL representatives who will support the wishes of their constituents. DEPORTATION is the ONLY answer.

Monica wrote on Oct 27, 2006 12:36 PM:By the way, I actually helped on the Busby campaign during the last election and I didn't come into contact with anyone who could be classified as an illegal. So, seems like the thuglicans are desperate to find anything. Doubt they will find any improprieties with her campaign.

Inquiring minds want to know wrote on Oct 27, 2006 12:55 PM:Tori this is uplifting newsworthy happenings what are you talking about? This is a newspaper for God's sake!!! There is much more worst news that the paper will not print. I want MORE NEWS keep US INFORMED!!!

I tink it is wrote on Oct 27, 2006 1:10 PM:time to send Busby to T.J. to rally her supporters.

Hey wrote on Oct 27, 2006 1:12 PM:maybe we can get some illegals to run for congress, I hear they live in North County, let's ask Busby, she would know!

Hey Tory wrote on Oct 27, 2006 1:13 PM:It is uplifting news...its just doom and gloom to you mindless sheep who would follow any GOP candidate off a cliff!

He has done nothing: wrote on Oct 27, 2006 1:38 PM:Wrong. Stay the course.

Nancy wrote on Oct 27, 2006 1:42 PM:Marcus- Voters deserve to know that Bilbray is being investigated by a Grand jury and we may have to pay for ANOTHER special election. Dirty politics when that one note pony Bilbray and the RNC use their PAC money to send out 7 expensive color mailers filled with lies and misrepresentations about Busby's stand on immigration. You want more division, hate and scare tactics like Bush has given us? Then vote for Bilbray. You want even-handed and comprehensive solutions, vote for Busby.

Wilson46201 wrote on Oct 27, 2006 1:42 PM:It even sounds like Bilbray has been a very poor son if he is only rarely seen helping his old disabled Mother in her time of need. Shame on him!

Second Coming Of The Duke wrote on Oct 27, 2006 1:50 PM:If this story made the front page of the very conservative North County Times, Bilbray's history. Time for a change. As for the GOP's knee-jerk response attack on Busby (lying about her using illegal aliens on her campaign), the GOP's going down too - that's about as pathetic as Rush Limbaugh's outburst of lies and smears of Michael Fox. Nothing but noise. When the GOP runs out of things to say it just makes this kind of noise.

Had Enough Yet? wrote on Oct 27, 2006 2:08 PM:The Neocon Lexicon: *Facts* = Rush Limbaugh smearing Michael J. Fox with lies about his "faking" the symptoms of a disease. *Smear* = telling inconvenient truths about Brian Bilbray's fraudulent carpetbagging activities.

To Ann wrote on Oct 27, 2006 2:22 PM:I am a lifelong Democrat and I will counter your no vote....I would NEVER vote for Busby! So now that we have eliminated each other, let the voting begin....

Sonya wrote on Oct 27, 2006 2:23 PM:I'm tired of thinking about stuff like this. Bilbray is fine with me. If Busby is so passionate about office, why haven't I heard from her? And I'm a voter!

Get a life: wrote on Oct 27, 2006 2:32 PM:When you get to be a rep rep then you can do whatever you want. Until someone ,of course.

Don wrote on Oct 27, 2006 2:45 PM:I believe the issue is not whether he lives in Chula Vista or Cardiff but whether he's claiming to be a Virginia resident so his kids get a break on college tuition and at the same time claiming to be a California resident so he can be a Congressman. I'd rather be respresented by someone like Francine who has lived in this district for many, many years.

Republican in Carlsbad wrote on Oct 27, 2006 3:11 PM:I'm voting for Bilbray. Not because of his moral values, (or lack of them), not because of his stand on issues, (which I don't even understand), but because he is a Republican. That's it! So all of you Liberals can't stop trying to persuade me to vote for a Democrat.

SM wrote on Oct 27, 2006 3:11 PM:Oh my goodness! A Republican committing a crime? You MUST be joking!

gimmeabreak wrote on Oct 27, 2006 3:12 PM:Run! Hide your silverware! The Cheese Sandwich Partisans have become enraged! Their precious Brian of Three towns has been assailed! 'Hack writer,' they shout, knowing full well that Finn-Benn was all over the Dukey story like, well flies on "dukey." 'Change the rules for dear Brian!' shouts another. 'We don't need no stinkin' residency requirements! If the best candidate lives in Honduras, he's our guy!' still another hints at the real truth, 'We don't care about wrong statements under oath. that's OUR cheese sandwich, man!' Can somebody quickly blame Clinton on this thread? you know that's coming. Somehow Bilbray's apparent duplicity will be Billary's fault.

Ron wrote on Oct 27, 2006 3:20 PM:I don't care what he does. I am sure the illegals orchestrated this. He could kill my mother and I would still vote for him. Republicans can do no wrong.

Give him a break: wrote on Oct 27, 2006 3:23 PM:He is only doing what comes naturally. On the other hand you could write in THE DUKE. YESSSSSS!

Stop messin around: wrote on Oct 27, 2006 4:12 PM:Let's write in the duke. He would know what to do. The rest are a bunch of sissys.

El Guero wrote on Oct 27, 2006 4:23 PM:To not a big deal: No, illegal immigration isn't the only issue in this campaign. But it's a much bigger issue than Bilbray's detractors are willing to admit. Some contributors on this site believe it isn't a problem at all. They seem to welcome the crime, the poverty and cultural discord. Iraq, the energy crisis, the health care crisis, and global warming are big issues. To deny it is just as foolish as to deny illegal immigration is also a big issue; in fact, a crisis. You don't have to like Bilbray for his support for the war in Iraq or offshore drilling to see the wisdom of his position on illegal immigration.

Bob wrote on Oct 27, 2006 4:27 PM:The Repugs are certifiably slimy, have contempt for the Constitution, and feel anything's OK to hold onto power. Bilbray is a hack lobbyist. Not fit to hold office . The Repugs are in big trouble in just a few short days. Busby will make a fine representative!

Dennis wrote on Oct 27, 2006 4:51 PM:Matters of residency determine a candidate's legitimacy to run, so this is an important question being raised. However, going on and on about what this and that neighbor says (or didn't say, or can't recall saying) is infotainment fluff. Stick to the facts, as they are understood at any point in time, e.g. article states he listed different legal residences on 3 different documents---what, specifically, were these documents?

Whoops! wrote on Oct 27, 2006 5:03 PM:I'm embarassed for my party and this justifies wanting term limits for ALL politicians. The power goes to these people's heads and they believe they are above rules--Rules you and I must live with everyday. Sorry Republican party, I'm voting for the other guy (gal) this time. It's a message you better start hearing. LIVE by the rules, lose office by the rules!

Not Another Dukester ReRun wrote on Oct 27, 2006 7:17 PM:Brian, Brian, Brian --what am I gonna tell the children? There's those pictures of your kids, so we're not going to use your family as the poster children for moral and upright (well, they were standing in some shots) behavior. And now this pesky residency thing just keeps coming back like a bad dream (were we asleep??), and your votes for off shore drilling and pay raise for Congress. Nah, gonna try something different this time.

A Crime Victim - wrote on Oct 27, 2006 7:21 PM:I have only ONE issue - illegal immigration with NO amnesty, making it a felony, mandatory jail time.

anayeli wrote on Oct 27, 2006 9:55 PM:illegal immigration is a vey important, if not the most important issue of this midterm. If Democrats take the house the gig is up. The Senate has already voted for amnesty that will include illegals collecting social security benefits (so forget about immigrants "saving" SS) The House Republicans are the only salvation. I don't agree with the GOP on all issues,but on this they are essentially our only hope.

anayeli wrote on Oct 27, 2006 10:01 PM:It is the issue that demands Republicans keep the House. The Senate has already voted for amnesty including allowing illegals to "recontruct" wages for social security benefits. This issue is arguably the most important facing the country. It will affect health care, education, housing, the environment, ss, the budget, debt, and deficit. We cannot afford another amnesty.

We voted for Bilbray wrote on Oct 27, 2006 10:19 PM:Busby wants amnesty for illegal immigrants and Bilbray has been fighting hard most of the summer to do something about illegal immigration. Check out his bill to change the laws on anchour babies. Busby's right hand man is accusing Bilbray of this and it doesn't sound like it's going to hold water. Busby is as nasty as any politician so wake up. If you don't like the traffic and crowded schools vote for Bilbray. If you don't want to pay for more freeways, schools, hospitals,prisons, jails, etc. then vote for Bilbray. The democrats in this state all want to give illegal immigrants amnesty. Check out our state assembly. Its the democrats that want to keep giving illegals driver's licenses. Look at Senators Feinstein and Boxer. They would let the flood of illegals get larger. They fought hard for amnesty. Check out Mountjoy to replace Feinstein. Vote for Wyland for State Senate. Issa has been fighting to stop illegal immigration also. Busby is trying to railroad Bilbray.

Reardon wrote on Oct 27, 2006 10:25 PM:The news reported that the only residency requirement is that the candidate reside in the State in which he or she is running for office.

WAKE UP wrote on Oct 27, 2006 11:57 PM:A Crime Victim - wrote on October 27, 2006 7:21 PM:"I have only ONE issue - illegal immigration with NO amnesty, making it a felony, mandatory jail time. " And who is going to pay for their arrest, prison stay, food, clothing, healthcare while they are in prison you fool? TAX PAYERS...this isn't a solution...you can't do anything UNTIL you secure the border and gain 100% controlled access...PERIOD When Bilbray comes up with this plan....come back to me.

Seabiscuit wrote on Oct 28, 2006 9:19 AM:If I want my daily dose of ignorance, stupidity and hypocrisy I don't have to wade through truly offensive sites like freerepublic, all I need do is click on the comments to any article in North County Times where I'll find either the same old same old peeps ranting and foaming at the mouth, or a seemingly bottomless pit of peeps doing the same. Don't like the fact that Bilbrary's being investigated by a grand jury? Blame the NC Times reporter for reporting it. Then pop over to signonsandiego and smear their reporter for reporting the same facts. Shoot both messengers. Yeah, doesn't that feel good? Then make up some idiotic story to back the GOP's pathetic claim that Busby is employing illegal aliens. Wow, that must feel really good! But whatever the issue is, don't ever question the GOP or their representatives in power. Questions bad. Slavish ignorance good.

Why We're Not Voting for Bilbray wrote on Oct 28, 2006 9:27 AM:He's doing a perfectly adequate job of railroading himself. Look at the voting record; look at the contributors list; look at the residency record. He shows up at selected debates, and reluctantly discusses anything besides immigration. That is not the problem that is bankrupting the country. Iraq and the war is bankrupting the country. It's about how we are treating our veterans. It's about how the 50th District is represented. This isn't a republican postcard mailer, it's an article and comments about Bilbray and his residency and the grand jury. We cannot afford another Duke Cunningham.

RB Resident wrote on Oct 28, 2006 1:44 PM:Bilbray is an oil lobbyist, plain and simple. In a word, he is a Republican. Those oil companies need more representation! Poor things. They only made more money than any other corporation ever in the US, twice! Golly, who will represent them if Bilbray loses? Better make as many slanderous statements about Busby supporting illegals as possible! How will we continue to shake the loose change out of the pockets of the American People? Gosh, better start a war with Iran... Smoke and mirrors...

DuckmanGR wrote on Oct 28, 2006 1:46 PM:I just heard Francine Busby say that you have to go after the employers and enforce the laws already on the books to address illegal immigration. That's better than building a fence with taxpayer money to Halliburton that won't actually stop illegal immigration, oh wait, that bill Bush just signed doesn't provide any money to build the fence, because he's in favor of something, call it what you will, that allows immigrants to be here without being citizens, that's President Bush. Bilbray is a beach bum, former mayor of IB, please, he's not North County, but that's okay.

Zenseeker wrote on Oct 28, 2006 4:49 PM:Here is an article I wrote on www.zenwire.com Is Brian Bilbray's mother a liar and that she taught and raised her son to grow up and be one too? Liars - Brian Bilbray Saturday, October 28 2006 Is Brian Bilbray's mother a liar and it was her that taught and raised her son to grow to be a liar too, just like her? If if turns out that Brian Bilbray opportunistically has only recently moved to Carlsbad, just for this election, then that makes his mother a liar and she should be ashamed of herself. If she is covering up for her son, then she should look at herself in the mirror, for condoning such behavior, and raising a son that uses lies and deceit as part of regular life and as a strategically tool to achieve his purposes. Is this what was taught in this household? That is it OK to lie as long as you get what you want in the end? Just like the 'macaca' incident with George Allen, is his mother a liar too and is there a pattern within the GOP congressional families? I don't know precisely the answer, but the more you look into this story, the more you get the feeling that the people around it, the families, the town, and the city is somehow covering it up. The San Diego Union has an article about the residency status of Brian Bilbray. What struck me was that his mother is vehemently denying that her son has just moved there, and it is ridiculous if we think that her son is a carpetbagger. And the article seems to be already setting up the morality and legality of the issue as "murky". What? This has happened before and it has always been condoned? That it is legal as long as you can argue it in court with a high priced lawyer? That a newspapers has to give fair and balanced views on the morality of lying tells you something. And is no one else except for William Rider, willing to go on the record to say whether or not they have seen him before June of 2006. Is this whole neighborhood willing to be silent just so that a GOP can retake the shameful seat? Does someone have to be considered courageous and a hero just for talking frankly about whether or not they’ve seen their neighbors? Or am I just not seeing it?

Bill2 wrote on Oct 31, 2006 7:05 PM:This is just another example of why we need to eliminate the requirement for voters having to register with a political party. If voters had been allowed to vote for any candidate instead of being limited to party lines Bilbray would not have been elected in th primary. Voting party lines does not make them thinking voters, it just makes them "SHEEPLE."

happy wrote on Nov 3, 2006 9:30 AM:now they did it, I won't vote for either one of them !

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