Escondeeter wrote on Oct 31, 2006 12:18 AM:Same old teensy little group of left wing fanatics, some sporting new aliases, and all trying to act like they matter.

ACLU surfaces - again: wrote on Oct 31, 2006 1:12 AM: What is it the ACLU does not understand about their responsibilities of being a citizen of the United States? What is it the ACLU does not understand about passing a law prohibiting renting to criminals or supporting them in anyway? What is it that they do not understand about more than five families living in one apartment, over loaded sewer lines, and unavoidable dirt, filth and noise that come with overcrowding? The criminal, illegal aliens are determined to take everything they can, things that are not rightly theirs, without working for it nor paying for it. Every time an illegal alien enters an emergency waiting room with a non-emergency, and takes his/her place in line to receive medical care they have not earned, they are cheating and are committing another criminal act. Why cannot the ACLU understand that? I believe they do, and they do not care. They seem to be mostly silly lawyers that see the ACLU as a method of getting themselves before the TV camera that gives them free advertising. The lawyers of the ACLU appear to be mostly cheap and unfit people, who have convinced themselves that they are incompetent and have no other way of making it in life without cheating. They are so silly they are almost funny, except for the damage they do.

Resident voter wrote on Oct 31, 2006 3:19 AM:No one said it would be easy but then when was it ever easy to stand up for what is right? If you're one who still shivers in his boots when he hears the word 'lawsuit', you haven't been around for very long. It's an inevitable part of the process. And it tends to separate the sheep from the lambs. The forthcoming election will undoubtedly, also send a message.

Dave from Oceanside wrote on Oct 31, 2006 5:45 AM:If it’s a fight the ACLU want’s, then anyone in North County who want’s to save their community’s from the illegal immigrants complete disregard of federal, state and city laws and ordinances should pledge funds to support Escondido’s city counsel. What happen in Escondido will influence all of North County. If we show support for Escondido’s city council that will embolden other north county city’s to do the same. It all starts here and now! Escondido city counsel, please set up a website for donations to this cause.

The ACLU has out lived wrote on Oct 31, 2006 6:01 AM:it's usefulness. It use to represent AMERICANS but now it represents Illegal aliens and terrorists. And of course we have the group La Raza involved.

Robert24 wrote on Oct 31, 2006 7:28 AM:Let's just save all of this time and energy and send all of the illegals to live with David Blair-Loy. He seems like such a compassionate man, and I am sure he will clothe, feed, insure, etc. all of them in a very humane fashion. I would like to be the first to thank Mr. Blair-Loy for doing this, and would suggest that all of you do the same. Does anybody have his address so that we can print maps and directions (in Spanish also) to David's house?

gimmeabreak wrote on Oct 31, 2006 7:59 AM:lot of tough talkers on these Escondido threads in support of the ordinance. Get out your checkbooks and pay for a couple of hours of attorney time at $300 an hour to defend this dumb idea. Go ahead, to hell with your utility bills and mortgage/rent, insurance, Christmas, college, whatever. Put your own $$ where you're verbal support is going. Its a loser on Constitutional grounds, and its not virtuous to try something foolish because you're frustrated with the way things are. If you're not willing to spend your own money on it, then don't tirelessly press for the Council to waste our tax dollars on it, either.

TRICK OR TREAT! wrote on Oct 31, 2006 8:02 AM:I am going as myself today, a racist according to the Mexicans and the ACLU and others, because I want a secured border and mass deportation. Happy Halloween to those of you who still believe in magic!

April wrote on Oct 31, 2006 8:08 AM:Wait a minute.... What is it here that I a missing? When did our laws change for the "LEGAL U.S Citizen" Rights,Our city legally voted an ordinace in and who gave these "Groups" the right to protect "Illegal Immigrants" with our ordinance? You have NO rights in this country if you are not LEGAL!How can someone Illegally here be discriminated aganist? If theis person is here Legally they have no worries and should have the ACLU file lawsuits aganist those landlords who are slum lords. Many states and many, many cities across America are passing ordinances and Governors are passing state laws agaisnt the Illegal immigrant. So it's more then just Escondido that is fed up. Our federal Government will catch on sooner or later but in the mean time "WE" need to speak up and demand change! Drive around Escondido, so may for rent signs already up and this hasn't even taken effect yet! And with the continued effort of the Escondido Police getting the Illegal drivers and impounding cars, this City will brighten up and become what it should be.

To Dave wrote on Oct 31, 2006 8:18 AM:I agree with you! Let's get something started, and support our City Counsel.

JJ wrote on Oct 31, 2006 8:32 AM:I wish the Gov't would stop financing the ACLU. All I ever hear is the ACLU representing terrorists, criminals and and anyone who is other than White.

bryan wrote on Oct 31, 2006 8:37 AM:I have concluded that anything the ACLU defends must be anti-American or immoral. The ACLU has defended the taliban and alqueda. The ACLU defended a member of NAMBLA and child molesters. The ACLU has tried to legalize child pornography. The ACLU is involved in removing all signs Christianity from public view while preserving other religions. The ACLU is fighting to remove parental authority over their own kids and give that to the government. The ACLU is pushing for gay marriage and gay adoption. The ACLU is forcing schools from kindergarten to high school to promote the gay lifestyle and tell kids it’s an allowable choice. Parents are not allowed to opt out their kids when they show movies or read books about the prince and the prince. Your rights under the ACLU are slowly disappearing. Now ACLU is the champion fighter for the illegal invaders. Again anything to destroy this country they will defend.

Hey ACLU wrote on Oct 31, 2006 8:40 AM:I believe there might be a suprise or two waiting for you in court, like maybe some laws you don't want known?

Way to show leadership. wrote on Oct 31, 2006 8:52 AM:Doing what's easy and what's right are rarely ever one in the same. Great job city counsel!!!! Way to represent legal U.S. citizens that are tired of overpopulated schools and abused hospital systems.

RCH wrote on Oct 31, 2006 8:53 AM:This is where the ACLU needs to butt out. These are NOT Americans therefore the "American" civil liberties union has no business being there. Unless the ACLU means "Anarchists" "Communists" liberties union, which is probably a closer depiction of their political stance.

Border Patrol Eviction wrote on Oct 31, 2006 9:26 AM:Why must the landlord use state eviction? The landlord should call the Border Patrol to remove the illegal aliens. That Federal "eviction" process should take only a few hours. More likely, the illegal alien will flee before the Border Patrol arrives. It is incredible to think that an illegal alien will hang around for 60 days when the Border Patrol can arrive at any minute!

No Appeal? wrote on Oct 31, 2006 9:47 AM:The Escondido Municipal Code allows appeals! Quoting the Staff Report by City Attorney Jeffrey Epp, 'Landlords have certain due process protections against the revocation of their business license, including the right to appeal, which are found in current provisions of the Escondido Municipal Code (see Section 16-211, et seq.).' I copy here: Chapter 16 LICENSES AND BUSINESS REGULATIONS GENERALLY; ARTICLE 5. APPEALS; Sec. 16-221. Right to appeal. Any decision issued under the provisions of this chapter may be appealed by any party affected by the decision. Appeals must be made in writing, must specify the decision being appealed and the reasons requiring modification or reversal. (Ord. No. 95-1, § 1, 2-8-95: Ord. No. 95-7, § 6, 6-14-95)

John wrote on Oct 31, 2006 9:54 AM:Its beginning to happen. The residents will speak very loudly in this up comming election,Just the beginning of a domino effect which just may solve the illeagel immigrant problem in this country.( or part of it) This is not a White vs Latino issue.The issue is that people in this community of all races are tired of watching our quality of life go down while millions of dollars are spent and squandered on health care,food stamps and houseing assistance to folks that just dont belong here. The real problem lays south of the border.A country as rich as Mexico should be takeing care of its own,Maby its time for another Mexican revolution? Vacente Fox,put that in your Pepsi can and drink it.How dare you fly your Mexican flag in my streets and demand from American taxpayers in this country.

What is the ACLU about? wrote on Oct 31, 2006 10:05 AM:What is it the ACLU does not understand about their responsibilities of being a citizen of the United States? What is it the ACLU does not understand about passing a law prohibiting renting to criminals or supporting them in anyway? What is it that they do not understand about more than five families living in one apartment, over loaded sewer lines, and unavoidable dirt, filth and noise that come with overcrowding, and numbers of unregistered, uninjured, cars over crowding the apartment parking areas? Why cannot the ACLU understand that? I believe they do, and they do not care. They seem to be mostly silly lawyers that see the ACLU as a method of getting themselves before the TV camera that gives them free advertising. Once I decided to find out what the ACLU was all about. I asked them to send me information on their organization. The first document from the packet they sent stated that the ACLU was started by the communist party. I threw the whole packet in the trash.

Appeal? wrote on Oct 31, 2006 10:16 AM:Appeal a Federal Law that states illegals are to be deported immediately, appeal that law? Or shall we just have our police forces across America become agents of ICE and no need for any appeals then.

Ridgerunner wrote on Oct 31, 2006 10:22 AM:Illegal aliens are criminals (thus the term "illegal"). Renting to a criminal constitutes aiding and abetting. What is the problem here? Could it be stupidity? Criminals are NOT an ethnic group, by any legal definition that I know of. The city council deserves a commendation for clear thinking amidst this storm of emotional horse pucky! Go back to your native lands- you have no right to vote, you steal our tax dollars to the tune of BILLIONS and you want MORE? Stay out until you can think straight and obey our laws! I wonder who is brokering the ACLU on this? I would not call them a friend of the Constitution.

I am going out wrote on Oct 31, 2006 10:37 AM:tonight dressed as an ACLU lawyer, I am going to get drunk, fly the mexican flag from my car and sue whoever I hit!!

The ACLU wrote on Oct 31, 2006 10:41 AM:is aiding federal criminals as defined by the US Government. The ACLU needs to be imprisioned!

billy wrote on Oct 31, 2006 10:49 AM:does anyone even take the aclu seriously? i think they pretty much lost face when they defended child molesters etc. glad too see the illegals are aligning themselves with a group like this. aclu and la razza (the race) are the only support these ppl have. hehe , the future looks bright

Concerned wrote on Oct 31, 2006 11:04 AM:Nothing worthwhile is easy. I look forward to confronting the ACLU on this issue. And, yes I will support some dollars for the cause, and I don't live in Escondido! If we, as real American citizens, don't start standing up to the ACLU and other radical organizations, we will lose the country. The ACLU must not be allowed to dictate our future!

So what wrote on Oct 31, 2006 11:06 AM:Go ahead and sue ACLU. Nobody cares anymore. You are meaningless.

ACLU wrote on Oct 31, 2006 11:18 AM:are just flunkies to La Raza and the other mexican hate groups. Hey lets take these racists to court for the slander they imply publically that all who oppose their views are racist! Oh I forgot, they wouldn't show up at court, and they would change their names. This is why the police do not ticket them for shopping cart theft and jay walking!

Tar and Feather? wrote on Oct 31, 2006 11:20 AM:we have plenty of asphalt companies here in North County and I hear illegal roosters and chickens in my neighborhood so I can donate the feathers!

ACLU to Escondido: wrote on Oct 31, 2006 11:23 AM:'put down the guns and come out quietly'. Reply: Nuts!

Boycott Cooley wrote on Oct 31, 2006 11:32 AM:Cooley Godward Kronish LLP is a business law firm. They have taken a stand with the coyotes, the slumlords, and La Raza. I never imagined that they would team with organizations of gringo hate. A boycott of Cooley and its partners in racist hate should be organized.

Ray wrote on Oct 31, 2006 11:44 AM:I hate to say it "but I told you so Escondido". Since before this ordinance was passed, I wrote the reporters of the NCT and Waldron telling them that their ordinance violated state law regarding landlord-tenamt law and it would be challenged, guess what they did and they will win on just that argument alone. Nobody listened to me or read the codes before drafting this ordinance. Once again you can't evict someone in a TEN day period and the landlord MUST follow the UNLAWFUL DETAINER process in the courts, that just the law plain and simple. It seems the City Attorney in Escondido is arrogant and refuses to be shown up by a simple paralegal, good luck Escondido. I too agree that illegal immigration is a big problem, on the record many times for my position, but if we are to enact ordinances, let's do it within the law.

So Typical wrote on Oct 31, 2006 11:53 AM:I just love it when the illiterate mob mentality takes hold and everyone jumps up on the same soapbox to show their ignorance. How many of you who support the Escondido ordinance actually know or understand the true, exact wording of the State and Federal laws applicable to housing or immigration? No one can be faulted for being frustrated and angry about the out of control immigrant situation. But an emotional response to a question of legalities is not helpful or valid. Especially if it has the effect of discriminating again a particular group. None of the California housing laws limit their protections to "legal" residents. In fact, if you know the law, you know that NO ONE has an absolute right to housing. But, once you're in the housing, you are protected by the law, no matter your legal status as a citizen. Further more, we should all be afraid. If a city can write a law that limits or takes away the protections of a higher State or Federal law from one group, how short a distance is it that we may all lose the protections from the precedence this sets. As much as we would not like to think about it, there will always be someone, somewhere who would use such a loop-hole to their advantage to the detriment of we the people. Yes there is a problem with our leaky borders, lack of Federal enforcement of Federal immigration laws, but believe me, this ordinance or any like it is NOT the answer. Supporters may one day look back to say, "This wasn't supposed to happen. I wasn't supposed to lose any of MY rights in the process."

It is also against wrote on Oct 31, 2006 12:08 PM:the law to rent to known criminals that are going to cook up meth in your apartment building! I don't think any violation of federal law has to require the landlord to go through with an unlawful detainer!

Federal Negligence wrote on Oct 31, 2006 12:15 PM:The ACLU assumes that the Border Patrol will not detain illegal aliens within 10 days of being notified. The purported problems with the ordinance relies on Federal negligence. Why is Escondido responsible for the negligence of AG Alberto Gonzalez and Tom Ridge?

To Ray wrote on Oct 31, 2006 12:31 PM:The landlord can appeal to the city during the time it takes to have DHS remove the illegal alien, or during the time it takes to have illegal alien evicted. Show evidence that the continued violation is not your fault, and the appeal will surely be granted. However, be aware that many complaints will be based on code violations, and those code violations will also need to be remedied.

Dave from Oceanside wrote on Oct 31, 2006 1:30 PM:Nice try “So Typical”. This law was written for one purpose and one purpose only, and that is to remove burdensome Illegal Immigrants from the city. You seem to think laws are written by some supreme being and can’t be changed. They are written and voted on by the men and women of the community for the sole purpose of maintaining order, which in turn creates a safe and prosperous community to live in. Our past altruistic attitude has been abused to the point where we are now going to make changes to the laws for the betterment of the community. We need to start getting control of this situation, and that is exactly what we will accomplish with this city counsel. As for someone in the future abusing the loopholes of the law, we will make it your job to monitor indiscretion and alert the community.

Federal Grand Jury wrote on Oct 31, 2006 1:35 PM:"A federal grand jury has indicted a suburban couple on accusations they harbored an illegal immigrant for the purpose of private financial gain." Hmmm...lets see now, private property owners harboring illegal immigrants for financial gain! Yep that fits the cases in Escondido perfectly! Hey ACLU, is this legal what the Federal Government did?

Out Of The Shadows wrote on Oct 31, 2006 1:44 PM:The City is not in a position to change the immigration status of the ilegal aliens. Thus, the city cannot provide an effective appeal. Congress has provided for relief from a removal proceeding (commonly known as deportation) by allowing cancellation of the removal and adjustment of immigration status if the removal would result in a particular level of hardship to the US citizen child and other strict conditions. Illegal immigrants will need to petition the Federal government for relief. This is not the City's responsibility.

ACLU supporter wrote on Oct 31, 2006 1:45 PM:Here’s how it works. The ACLU gets paid if they win, not if they lose. They don’t go to court unless they have a good case. Like many local governments, Escondido passed an ordinance that felt good and had some vocal support. The three and their supporters didn’t much care about the legalities. They made a political statement and are apparently willing to defend it in court. Problem is, that’s exactly how the ACLU makes it’s money. They challenge illegal laws and get paid for it. This case should be slam dunk, money in the bank, thanks a million, Escondido.

Writer Is Ignorant wrote on Oct 31, 2006 1:51 PM:of Federal Immigration Law. She should have told those kids to contact an immigration attorney right away before they turn 18. Congress has provided for relief from a removal proceeding (commonly known as deportation) by allowing cancellation of the removal and adjustment of immigration status if the removal would result in a particular level of hardship to the US citizen child and other strict conditions. 8 USC § 1229b(b). Admittedly, cancellation is not easy to achieve, but the Federal agencies and Courts deal with cancellation proceedings on a regular basis. Permanent residency has been granted in cases where illegal alien parents have been in the US for over 10 years and the US Citizen children are teenagers in school and well integrated into American society. But as long as the illegal immigrant community hides from the law, they cannot enjoy its protections! The ordinance is only unfair to those who continually make bad decisions! Once these girls turn 18, they will be independent American adults, and their parents will have no protection from deportation.

Read wrote on Oct 31, 2006 1:54 PM:Playing the Race Card in todays NCT webnews under the Opinion Section you will be suprised, I was!

Press 1 for English, Press 2 for Deportation wrote on Oct 31, 2006 2:05 PM:Suggestion for the ACLU. I hear that there is an Osama bin Laden kidney donation fund starting in Mexico. Why don't you all head down there and participate. Leave running our cities to US citizens. As for "So Typical", why not drive down Autumn Drive in San Marcos around 9 PM some evening and see whether you'd like to live there, because unless some cities and some politicians take a stand against illegal immigration, we are going to have many more "Tijuana Nortes" here in So. Cal.

Illegals fleeing Hazelton wrote on Oct 31, 2006 2:13 PM: On Wednesday, a tough, first-of-its-kind law targeting illegal immigrants goes into effect in this small hillside city in northeastern Pennsylvania. But the evidence suggests many Hispanics _ illegal or otherwise _ have already left. The ordinance, approved by City Council in September, imposes fines on landlords who rent to illegal immigrants and denies business permits to companies that give them jobs. The law empowers the city to investigate written complaints about a person's immigration status, using a federal database. Opponents sued on Monday to block the law and a companion measure, saying they trample on the federal government's exclusive power to regulate immigration. "These ordinances are nothing more than an officially sanctioned witch hunt," said Cesar Perales, president of the Puerto Rican Legal Defense and Education Fund, a group representing plaintiffs in the case. They include the Hazleton Hispanic Business Association, several illegal immigrants, landlords and a restaurateur. The mayor said he would fight all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary, saying the ordinance is "as bulletproof as we can get it." "I've said from the beginning my goal was to make Hazleton one of the toughest cities in America for illegal aliens," he said. "Today, if I was an illegal alien, I certainly wouldn't pick Hazleton as my home." "There is absolutely nothing wrong with trying to find out who belongs here and who doesn't," he said. "If we could have stopped one murder by knowing where these people are, isn't it worth it?" A second ordinance going into effect Wednesday requires tenants to register their name, address and phone number at City Hall and pay $10 for a rental permit. Landlords who fail to make sure their tenants are registered can be fined $1,000, plus a penalty of $250 per tenant per day. The goal is to discourage illegal immigrants from even trying to rent in Hazleton. Ok so ya think its wrong for the landlords to be put on the spot? How about Escondido having all tenants register, no discrimination can be voiced and ACLU has no case! If you don't want to register you can always move to Vista! Its America land of the Free!

L.C. wrote on Oct 31, 2006 2:14 PM:The California Constitution & the Constitution of the United States protect AMERICAN CITIZENS - NOT ILLEGAL ALIENS!!! They have NO RIGHTS in the United States because they are in our land illegally - why is it so hard to understand that? Who is protecting MY rights? These people came to the U.S. illegally & broke the laws passed by & for Americans. Why is are these groups fighting so hard to protect these criminals? The ACLU needs to change its name to "Alien Civil Liberties Union." They do not represent Americans like their name suggests. We as Americans citizens need to fight to make sure the cities of San Marcos, Oceanside, Vista, Fallbrook, etc. pass similar laws by electing the right city officials into office in November. Enough is enough!!!

landlord wrote on Oct 31, 2006 3:14 PM:I own three apartment buildings in Escondido with a total of 65 units. I will rent to anyone whether they are illegal or not. All I care about is their ability to pay. There is no way I will follow any illegal laws passed by the city of Escondido.

To Landlord wrote on Oct 31, 2006 3:44 PM:Do what turns you on, but be aware we the citizens will be reporting you. Another question do you as many of the Escondido slum lords reside outside of Escondido?

Concerned wrote on Oct 31, 2006 3:54 PM:The ACLU does not represent (any of) my best interests. That said, I do not want to live in Tijuana. I do not want to "press one for English." I do not want half of my paycheck going to support illegals. I can't beleive there are people who do. Never under estimate the ignorance of people.

Get ready for this wrote on Oct 31, 2006 4:58 PM:This is going to happen Escondido if the ban goes through. See the article on cnn.com about crack down in Hazalton PA and what it has cost local buisnesses. Hope everyone is prepared to suffer. I am willing to suffer to get rid of them but are others. Props to Escondido and other towns that are willing take action. http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/10/31/immigrant.crackdown.ap/index.html

RUTH wrote on Oct 31, 2006 5:00 PM:Unfortunatly we see all illegals as mexicans of course they are the majority but how many other races are here illegally??? I don't see a big wall or fence being built along the Canadian borders..

Ruth wrote on Oct 31, 2006 5:12 PM:Its not like we want to live with 9 people in a 2 bedroom apt but thats the way some can make the rent Unfortunatly some people do wrong and then the whole community gets blamed. A friend of mine here illegally has 4 kids and his wife. He is a hard working person and is a great father. He recently asked me if I would give him a chance to move in with us Because he is afraid of being deported because of the ordinance. What can I do, I am going to help him until he can find a better place to live. This will make our household total 11 fortunatly I own my own home and i have a grany flat availbale for them. I wish the people that deserve to have documents could get them but I don't see any new laws for immigration coming to pass soon. I know this lady that never worked here in the US but became a citizen gets SSI. Why if she never worked here i don't get. there are some many legally documented people that get bennfits when they have never payed taxes or never report thier income And get a free ride. That includes american borns also Its not just the Mexicans

joe wrote on Oct 31, 2006 5:44 PM:I think people must be educated about the topic of illegal immigration to have a clear idea about what hey think and say. To me, I think, these comments in your online newspaper section are sent by angry people about the trend of the economy in these country. I would like to know what the business community of escondido think about all of these political circus.

La Raza for hire wrote on Oct 31, 2006 6:06 PM:You are a piece of work, Virginia Calderon, currently president of the La Raza Lawyers Association of San Diego and also working with the ACLU. How can you sleep at night? If there was a White Lawyers Association of San Diego, you would probably be first in line to get the ACLU to sue them. However, since you apparently feel you are above everyone else, its ok to promote everything for your race (remember Viva la Raza!) and nothing for anyone else. I'm tired of mercenaries for hire that promote rights for those that don't deserve them. What about the rights of those of us who ARE citizens?

Crazy for sure wrote on Oct 31, 2006 6:55 PM:Unless you have Native American or Mexican blood in your body you should all be ashamed of who you are and what you are really saying. If you think your legal your wrong. Just because you were born here in the United states of America doesn't make it right to say get out. Before Paper was even invented everyone was free to come and claim what was theirs. California is a Spanish name. Escondido means Hidden in Spanish. I have a comment to the City Council. You can't even enforce Sexual Offenders, Crack dealers, Truancy, Auto theft, Check Offenders, or Murders. How do you think your going to enforce this new Idea. How about focusing on the real issues like how can we Help these people become Citizens and learn about Credit and finances and help our business and economy grow. If they went through risking their life to be here than they deserve a chance to stay.

Reardon wrote on Oct 31, 2006 7:01 PM:The efforts by many city ordinances, and the enforcement of State and National laws, is designed to put pressure on illegal aliens to slow the pressure on their coming here, and to raise the price on those here so that many will voluntarily return to Mexico. The slow increase in the price of being an illegal alien is a humane alternative to an alternative police action of immediate deportation. This illegal alien problem from many countries, has been the result of decades of "benign neglect," and increasing the price will have its desired effect -- over time.

What's up now wrote on Oct 31, 2006 8:03 PM:Looks like Hazeltons ordinance was blocked. NO MEAT! Couldn't show how illegals were not good for the town. What you got to say NOW Escondido?.

To Ruth wrote on Oct 31, 2006 8:44 PM:Re: your comment 10/31 @ 5:00 PM. Because like you said they are the majority. Also, other illegal immigrants cross that border from other countries. Makes sense to put the fence there.

Jessica wrote on Oct 31, 2006 8:51 PM:As a christian I am opposed to the ban to rent apartments to hard working undocumented christians..because they also are humans, and we can not deny housing, food or medical care to any human: race, sex, religion, nationality or legal status doesn't matter. We are talking about moral as human we are. I am pretty sure many of those racist people have a little home for their dogs and cats. GOD IS WATCHING..!!!!

Illegals get out!!!! wrote on Oct 31, 2006 10:26 PM:I grew up in North County and now I'm raising my family here. San Diego has changed tremendously in the last 30 or so years. Even when I was in high school - 10 years ago, I didn't really hear anybody speaking spanish at all. I didn't know very many people that didn't know English. All I have to do now is go to my laundry room and see it now! My apartment complex is affordable housing and I know about the people that shouldn't be here, that aren't on the lease but live here with relatives and it makes me sick. My family is trying to make it as a young family just starting out and this place is overrun with children who have no respect for others and have parents who won't enforce rules because they let there English speaking kids run their world. Its true! When I had a problem with one child, I walked to his apartment to talk to his parents. What do I get from his mom and dad? "No espeake Ingles." Yes, Espeake not Speak. When I took my critically ill 14 month old to Children's hospital, my emergency room copay was $100 and as I looked around, I saw people who spoke no English, mostly illegal, who were using the E.R. as a clinic. One lady actually yelled at me as I rushed my son in,"I wait 5 hours, you no go first!" I was shocked. They had to get a nurse to go calm her down - her kid had a common cold - my son needed emergency surgery and could've died. We probably will eventually move away seeing that we can buy a house in another state and hopefully will not have as many illegal immigration problems. Its going to be a huge problem for a long time. Kudos to the city council of Escondido!

Dave from Oceanside wrote on Nov 1, 2006 6:30 AM:Ruth, your kind heartedness to help 1 family in need is admirable. However what is you limit? Will you house 2 families, 3 families,4 families, until you say no more! It will never end. That is what is happening in our communities all over California and now the rest of the nation. Once you start giving there will be no end to people with hard luck stories. What ever happened to, planning your life and building your life around realistic expectations! Nobody should start a family with no means of support and a majority of these hard luck families are irresponsible and expect everyone else to provide for them.

not a race issue wrote on Nov 1, 2006 4:43 PM:The ones who are turning this into a race issue are those who are pro-illegal immigration. It is NOT about race, it's about anyone who comes here illegally and bypasses the system that the rest of us (or our forefathers) abided by to come here legally. We/they paid their fair share by paying taxes for the services that we/they use. We learned the language instead of insisting that everyone else speak and do business with us in our native tongues. The reason that we don't need a fence on the Canadian border is that their economy/society is a working one whereas Mexico's is not. You fence in where you have a problem not just because there's a border there.

not a race issue wrote on Nov 1, 2006 4:44 PM:Dave in Oceanside: your posts are very well put

Pedro wrote on Nov 1, 2006 9:43 PM:Ha Ha, ACLU already won in Penn. Immigration is under feederal law! Nice try! Cry baby cry! Don't forget to vote for Dianne Feinstein!!!

screwy wrote on Nov 3, 2006 2:45 PM:how people here are so angry at the ACLU. If the courts didn't find the ACLU's arguments persuasive, and they lost all these cases, they'd not be an issue. The ACLU is only a problem to you people because they are so often right about the constitution. So be angry at the Constitution, or be angry at the courts for seeing it that way, but angry at the ACLU? Makes no sense.

Louie wrote on Nov 5, 2006 9:52 AM:When the ACLU comes, it's over before it begins 'cos they don't come to lose.

SF resident wrote on May 13, 2007 8:49 PM:I'm utterly appalled by the senseless, illiterate ignorance of other white 'Americans' who have written the hateful blather above. I suggest we immediately deport the entirety of white San Diego to a small town in Mexico, allow them to live in poverty, with scant educations, while the entire town's current residents are given the opportunity to take their places (if desired) as legal US citizens (itself an utterly racist, outmoded concept in light of globalization in the first place, obvious illegality of their ignorant, blatantly racist plan aside)- allow them to VOTE in San Diego & other locations trying to pass these laws. Would love to see the outcome. More Latino landlords & less white redneck racist tenants, while the former couch potato 'Americans' deal with the hardship, discrimination they would have has immigrants to Mexico (especially being of the American ilk lol) et al for a couple of generations. So sad that most people can't extrapolate what it would be like to be in another's shoes. At the moment I have wonderful El Salvadorean landlords, who were the only people who would even rent to me, a 20-yr resident of San Francisco (fairly well-off, while single female with no children mind you)- as I had been illegally pushed out of my previous rental housing on Nob Hill by a bunch of greedy housing developers.. which is how the 'ethnic cleansing' is taking place up here. I honestly hope everyone filled with hate is deported, & that Latinos take over San Diego, especially the local gov't :) Viva Mejico! The reason why Republicans continue to make gaining citizenship in the US so difficult is that they will lose all power as a party if the ACTUAL CURRENT American demographic can VOTE. (Rednecks, there's something called a dictionary- or better yet, wiki, if you want to translate that sentence into white trash English so you can attempt to comprehend it). How sad.. & how proud I am of (what's left of) my city full of 'homos' & 'darkies' lol... even after the white menace has descended upon it like locusts... nuf said. May your white male 'God' judge you ...