NC Times Greed wrote on Dec 14, 2006 8:59 PM:Why does NC Times Opinion Staff (the group without names) support an Open Borders policy so strongly? Are newspapers so exspensive to print that they want more cheap labor imported from Third World countries so everyones wages can be driven down. Then we can ALL work for minimum wage and share a cheap apartment with a few other families and a pay a premium rent and call ourselves a close knit community. Yes the Future looks Bright with NC Times Opinion Staff looking out for our interests.

Floyd wrote on Dec 14, 2006 9:04 PM:The editorial says "the council belatedly admitted the obvious: Enforcing immigration law is an effort best left to the federal government." Pray tell, which immigration law was the city of Escondido attempting to enforce? In point of fact, the ordinance was aimed at those who harbor fugitives -- illegal aliens, trespassing in our country -- and had nothing to do with permitting or prohibiting the legal entry of people into the United States. Do those illegal aliens have desperate needs? Yes! Does that excuse illegal behavior? No! What it means is that Mexico needs to develop a business-friendly environment. The USA can show them how by seizing Baja California and turning it into a possession (like Guam or Puero Rico). Not only will the people of Baja benefit from the resulting improvement in their standard of living, but it will be easier for other Mexicans to take advantage of the new-found prosperity because it's closer and easier to enter. And before you object to seizing Baja, remember that Mexico is flooding California with it's citizens in an effort to do the same thing to us.

Joyful satirist wrote on Dec 14, 2006 9:22 PM:"Among the firm's big projects, to satirists' joy, was a 14-mile section of the border fence near the Otay Mesa border crossing in the late 1990s." Priceless.

finally a good editorial wrote on Dec 14, 2006 9:31 PM:People who are less educated on this issue don't understand federal powers or the separation of branches of government. A city cannot assume immigration enforcement. There are other ways to stop the flow of illegals...quit giving their babies automatic citizenship (ie.change the US Constitution) and demand that ICE go after big employers like Smith & Walmart and others who consistently employ illegals. And Floyd and others simply must stop buying food...that'll fix the problem real fast.

Reardon wrote on Dec 14, 2006 9:41 PM:The NCT has a great answer: Make illegals, legal! This can be followed by making rape legal, murder legal, robbery legal, carjacking legal -- the possibilities are endless. We can save BILLIONS by closing the processes that are used to control all sorts of activities that cost so much money, require so many courts and police, and destroy so many families as culprits are hauled off to prison. Robbers are just trying to feed their families, and get ahead, after all. We can look forward to the NCT Anonymous Staff to lead the way...

Good Sense Prevails, But . . . wrote on Dec 14, 2006 10:37 PM:The City of Escondido finally understands Constitutional Law 101. Too bad they squandered so much money to learn the leasson. Funny to see people attack the NCT as biased. Biased??? all the NCT did was predict exactly what would happen, as did numerous other experts. Of course the "minutemen" type blabbering continues. Stop all the hate and appreciate what an abundance of wealth we have in this country. Jesus would want us to share this wealth. Sadly the message of sharing is lost in this holiday season.

I'm with good sense wrote on Dec 14, 2006 10:48 PM:Escondido did not save itself, really. We spent months allowing our elected officials to fan the flames of hatred using our tax money and making a joke of their positions. We can't let politicians take us for such a ride again. It's up to the rest of us to deal with this problem -- our elected officials have proven they are hate-mongering fools.

Anyone wrote on Dec 14, 2006 10:51 PM:Anyone who says this ordinance was not about race is fooling themselves. These council people, led by Waldron and Abed, capitalized on people's fears instead of addressing real problems. That shows serious weakness of character. We deserve better.

Unfair Business License Policy wrote on Dec 14, 2006 11:28 PM:Landlords can rent three properties before they need a business license! Thus, they can do $30,000 to $40,000 of business without a business license! Does any other business segment get such a free ride? No! This unfair and possibly corrupt policy must end now.

Frida wrote on Dec 15, 2006 12:02 AM:Right on NCT. Common sense was lacking with the city council trio.

Mary wrote on Dec 15, 2006 1:06 AM:It ain't over until the fat lady sings. The fight against crime and illegal immigration is not over in Escondido or anywhere else.

Thank you NCT wrote on Dec 15, 2006 6:33 AM:Thank you for this truthful editorial. We all know that Marie Waldron used this issue to get re-elected and for those who say "so what it worked" I say you like her do not care about the America you are trying to save! This cost our City lots of unnecessary tax dollars. I wish I could have been in the closed door meeting I'll bet it sounded just like the City Council meetings when people like myself, and others tried to speak some sense to the City Council. Well they did not listen but now after the election all of sudden this ordinance is bad idea? I wonder what Sam Abed and Ed Gallo are going to use to get re-elected, I hope they don't think this same tactic of fear will work on the good people of Escondido.

Vista John wrote on Dec 15, 2006 7:35 AM:This news paper is a voice of for Mexico. The stopping of this ordinance was not a defeat or blunder by the people whom put it forward. It is but a first step in taking this country in the right direction. Escondido will have other ways of dealing with this, there are 100's of things that can be done. Now on to step two!

Floyd wrote on Dec 15, 2006 7:38 AM:There's no need to stop buying food, the Federal government is already working that angle (see "ICE agents probing ID thefts raid meat processing plants in 6 states; unknown number arrests" at http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2006/12/13/news/nation/17_13_3712_12_06.txt and "California company, execs plead guilty to hiring illegal workers" at http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2006/12/15/news/sandiego/12_01_0312_14_06.txt). Do try to pay attention, please.

The NCT's is as bad as wrote on Dec 15, 2006 8:38 AM:the ACLU and that is NOT a compliment. I didn't even know about the fund for the legal fees or I would have helped out. I hope this means that we get a tougher ordinance and clean up our city.

Radical Geezer wrote on Dec 15, 2006 9:58 AM:The legal fees would not even come close to what we spend to educate, and provide social and health care for the illegals. Unbelieveable that the NCT takes the position that middle class taxpayers should open up their pocketbooks and willingly pay for the services illegals use while our own citizens go without. No wonder newspapers are decling as a major source of news when all they print are half baked opinions!

Attention all Illegal Immigrants in National City wrote on Dec 15, 2006 10:28 AM:Don't like living in the big city? Crime rates up? Overcrowding? Escondido has plenty of new vacancies, and you don't need no papers to live here. New schools and hospitals await you. Plenty of Ethnic restaurants and shopping.

WE NEED MORE CHECKPOINTS wrote on Dec 15, 2006 10:30 AM:It may be inconvenient for drivers and residents, but with the rampant amounts of unlicensed and uninsured driver's in Escondido we must protect public safety. How many hit-and-run accidents last year? Over 900?

THORNHILL'S VIEW 8/12/2005 wrote on Dec 15, 2006 11:18 AM:When did that Happen? http://www.nctimes.com/content/articles/2005/08/12/opinion/cartoon/thornhill-8-12.jpg

Ron wrote on Dec 15, 2006 1:22 PM:The city of Escondido, and all other cities have code enforcement available to clean up these slums, and start prosecuting slum-lords for mistreatment of illegals. Head counting, and packing more than 1 familiy to an apartment obviously violates the law. The City Council, and El Grupo, and the ACLU should at be on the same page of protecting human diginty, and safety. Why aren't the Times, or other newpaper asking them these questions? Why should it be the "norm" to cram all these people into very small living spaces? And why aren't they pushing to have health and safety codes enforced? Are they not concerned about these illegals health and welfare? If they enforce current law, a lot of these problems in Escondido will go away. Start perp walking some of these American slum lords.

What a bunch of wrote on Dec 15, 2006 3:10 PM:losers the NCT is you are being ridiculed across the country, websites tying into your article here! lol

Skip wrote on Dec 15, 2006 3:55 PM:Hey NCT! Since Escondido is now saved, how about more detailed coverage on the Crime, and Car Accidents (hit-and-run accidents) that involve Illegal Aliens. Let's have the real news for a change on how much of the crime is disproportionate, by groups. And for a change of pace how about covering the Social Security fraud, Welfare fraud, and tax evasion activities, of these same people.

WiKiMan wrote on Dec 15, 2006 4:04 PM:Some are happy living in a cesspool...the libs have to have their "feel good" day and pawn some "we have saved you" tripe off on supporters of law and order. Get some good "Third World" books and read up on your future.

North County Times... wrote on Dec 15, 2006 4:13 PM:shows a tolerance for Illegal activity in this "Opinion". Illegal is just that. NOT Legal. It's time to support Legal Immigration and Punish Illegal Immigration. Enforce current laws and this issue will self-heal.

Its like the weather... wrote on Dec 15, 2006 4:29 PM:everyone talks about it, but nobody does anything about it...Don't blame the ACLU, if elected officials thought it was worth the cost of a court fight, they would move forward...its just another indication that while everyone huffs and puffs, when it really gets down to it, the immigration issue is not really everyone's top concern.

Read on wrote on Dec 15, 2006 4:35 PM:To all the illegal lovers, including NCT, it aint over. Waldron will fight this and so she should. This country is all about laws or did you all forget that? You see all our politicians ignoring our laws so you think it is okay to do the same. We will prevail and the law will be followed. Your days are numbered, law breakers!

Gary wrote on Dec 15, 2006 4:59 PM:Illegal Aliens are stealing YOUR social security number to gain access to jobs that belong to Americans. Think about it, and try to figure out what is the victory here.

IamaDem wrote on Dec 15, 2006 5:30 PM:To cesspool. This is one Lib Who is against illegal alien lawbreakers. So are many others. I suggest everyone write, call or email George Bush and demand he uphold our laws, build and fund the fence, deport illegals and fine illegal employers. We must take control of our borders. Bush has all the power, he could fix this mess if he wanted to, but he doesn't. Neither does John McCain or Bill Frist.

Gary in Murrieta wrote on Dec 15, 2006 5:39 PM:The question is: Will the ACLU and the Activists be happy when Southern California truely become Mexico?

The council: wrote on Dec 15, 2006 6:15 PM:Is not done. They are quite capable of staying the course. Ignorant and racist adults never learn moderation.

Forget Waldron wrote on Dec 15, 2006 8:30 PM:Don't hold you breath waiting for Waldron to do anything, she suckered the voters and now she doesn't need you.

Gary in Murrieta wrote on Dec 15, 2006 8:49 PM:We need a fence! Around Escondido! LOL

To: Forget Waldron wrote on Dec 15, 2006 9:17 PM:Hmmm... Maybe there is a serious problem in Escondido? Maybe the majority of people support her beliefs and ideas. Hmmm.... maybe citizens are sick and tired of catering to Illegal Aliens, and are fed up. Hmmm ... maybe public schools are no longer good enough for American citizens. And finally Hmmm ... Thank Goodness Illegal Aliens cannot vote. Maybe, just maybe, that is why Marie Waldron got re-elected.

Syl wrote on Dec 16, 2006 12:30 AM:As per figures released by the Escondido P.D., there were 14 car thefts and 6 Residential burglaries, during the first 6 days, of the month. I do not know if that is good or bad. We will see when the next set of figures are released.

To the NCT ed staff wrote on Dec 16, 2006 4:05 AM:How embarrassing for you to even suggest that there was a coup here. All this did was to steel the hearts of those of us who place a high value on the fundamentals that the United States of America was founded upon. A skirmish was lost; the war has just begun. Those of us who have values and remember our history have just begun to fight!

You need to contact your wrote on Dec 16, 2006 8:03 AM:FEDERAL legislators and senators DAILY with letters faxes and emails. MAKE them do their job or take their jobs away from them. Boxer and Feinstein both got grades of F on immigration. WHY did you re-elect them?

American Girl wrote on Dec 16, 2006 9:57 AM:It's sad to hear news across the country like this. It's tearing the town apart, as well as the country. Both sides really feel like they are right. When it comes down to it though just look at who is breaking the laws...illegal immigrants. How can anyone think to help lawbreakers? Why do they have ANY rights? They only hide behind their American citizen shield children. If only we could change the Constitution in that respect. I know its not what our forefathers wanted. It was only to help the children of the slaves, not everyone squatting in McDonald parking lots and having one of 10 kids. Americans are not targeting one race, we want ALL illegals treated the same no matter where you are from...

ESCONDIDO'S NEWEST ATTRACTION ! wrote on Dec 16, 2006 10:05 AM:Hookers ! It seems that a lot of prostitutes from other cities are now moving to Escondido to conduct business. They just want a better life, and they are not hurting anyone. They probably do not pay taxes either! LOL

Re : Hookers in Escondid wrote on Dec 16, 2006 10:07 AM:I am not making this up. It was front page on another San Diego newspaper.

They’re moving to America. Millions of them! wrote on Dec 16, 2006 1:00 PM:Third world slums began appearing along our borders from Brownsville, Texas to San Diego, California in the 80s. They’re called “Colonias,” which is Spanish for new neighborhoods. They feature shacks, no sewers, no streets, no running water, no electricity, toilet facilities or waste pickup. Since their appearance in the early 80s, the 1988 population totaled 185,000; the 1995 population exceeded 500,000; the 2005 population exceeded 1.5 million. At the current rate of growth, these human misery settlements shall reach 20 million by 2021. These slums represent a health hazard of unprecedented dimensions. Given enough time, large areas of southern California will resemble the outskirts of Mexico City. Two decades of denial has not stopped this travesty from proliferating.

Adam wrote on Dec 16, 2006 1:03 PM:In the last century, Mexico grew from 50 to 104 million people. Current demographic figures show Mexico growing to 300 million in the 21st century. Since 85 percent of all immigration into the United States originates from Mexico, we face a striking dilemma. How will we deal with a massive and growing illiterate population? How will we contend with the next added 100 million Americans featuring scant educational skills? How will we deal with millions of babies from their ranks? If we can’t educate half of our own minorities, how will we educate this massive overload as it grows by 100 million?

Gary in Murrieta wrote on Dec 16, 2006 1:09 PM:To stop illegal aliens in your community, you may follow the course of action by Mayor Louis Barletta of Hazelton, PA. He offers a bomb proof ordinance that takes business licenses away from those who hire illegals. He legally halts landlords from renting to illegals. Without work and without housing, illegals cannot stay in your community. Check out his web site for instructions...

Skip wrote on Dec 16, 2006 1:13 PM:There are a lot of things that are against the law. Driving without a license, registration, or insurance is against the law. Social security fraud is against the law. Tax evasion is against the law. Identity theft is against the law. Just being in the United States without a valid Visa is against the law. We are a nation of Laws and they apply to everyone here equally. Now if we could just get our Federal and State Governments to enforce the laws, we would not have these problems with Illegal Aliens."

wesley wrote on Dec 31, 2006 11:16 AM:Until the individual stops spending money at companies that cater to illegal immigrants they will come.