Where do we sign? wrote on Jan 24, 2007 10:56 PM:People this is a good deal! Don't blow it!

Look at the Patriots! wrote on Jan 24, 2007 10:57 PM:Do you think anyone knew where Foxboro was until the Patriots put a stadium there? Oceanside is next if the citizens don't blow it!

John wrote on Jan 24, 2007 11:17 PM:Quote; During the last 15 years, economists such as Stanford's Roger Noll, Smith College's Andrew Zimbalist, and Cleveland State University's Mark Rosentraub repeatedly have shot down the claim that new stadiums benefit local economies.

Randy wrote on Jan 25, 2007 1:24 AM:Eminent domain is a non-starter. The City Council needs to unanimously resolve that eminent domain will not be used to take homes and give them to Chargers' billionaire owner Alex Spanos.

John wrote on Jan 25, 2007 5:08 AM:Be careful Oceanside or youll slaughter your cash cow. This could be a very beneficial thing for the whole north county region.

Jack wrote on Jan 25, 2007 5:42 AM:Only a Ninny thirty something would want a pro-football team in Oceanside. As a homeowner I don't want to pay taxes for other people's entertainment.

Observer wrote on Jan 25, 2007 6:31 AM:Can you believe Esther Sanchez? What a joke. We watched her nodding her head with approval as Fabiani gave her the speal—she looked like one of those dogs that sits in the rear widow of a car and nods as the car moves down the street with the stupid smile on her face. She’s scary. I thought she was an attorney, and had a brain in her head, but I suppose most attorneys aren’t too good at math: she couldn’t seem to get the numbers right on how many people spoke on the issue—it was split down the middle and not the 70% she said. What a friggin actor. That’s ok, because she won’t be returning to the council next election—she screwed too many of us already.

Old timer wrote on Jan 25, 2007 6:32 AM:I watched the council meeting last night and it seemed as though this group (Chargers) took their lead from Manchester when he slid into town. It was bizarre. Thank God for Kramer, Mackin and their parks group. Where do I sign up?

JT wrote on Jan 25, 2007 6:32 AM:RECALL THEM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey Patriot wrote on Jan 25, 2007 6:39 AM:I don't know where Foxboro is now ... and I don't care. What I do care about is that my property value, my quality of life and my community continue to move forward without losing all that we currently enjoy.

I Was There wrote on Jan 25, 2007 7:14 AM:and, in all honesty, I'm not sure how they could tell who was for, against or neutral. The majority of the people who spoke had a hard time making sense, let alone a point. It was very disheartening.

Russell wrote on Jan 25, 2007 7:15 AM:Sure the Chargers will pay for the stadium AFTER Oceanside GIVES them 71 acres of priceless land! Beware of stadium peddlers. They will pick your pocket and leave town.

Shame wrote on Jan 25, 2007 7:31 AM:Can you imagine having a new Charger stadium and gambling in the redevelopment area downtown? Las Vegas "What goes on in Oceanside stays in Oceanside." Any one want to buy my house....I'm getting the heck out of OCEANSIDE A.S.A.P.

K wrote on Jan 25, 2007 7:38 AM:Just remember, when (not if) the Chargers decide to up and go, all O'side will have is a bleek memory and another Jack Murphy stadium left in their wake that would cost 100s of millions of dollars to deal with, not to mention where to put all the debris! Traffic, what traffic? Cars have to be able to move to be called traffic. And what about durring constructiopn? Traffic, like you cant imagine! Money, sure, right into the political black hole!!

BC1027 wrote on Jan 25, 2007 7:43 AM:Those people who think that Oceanside is a sleepy little beach community need to wake up and go down to the pier area and see what those cranes are doing there. We need to and put ourselves on the map. The stadium would bring much needed tax dollars, to improve public safety and improve the city's infrastructure. Just a side note, I wouldn't mind seeing Oceanside from an aerial view from blimp during all those monday night football games yet to come.

Liz wrote on Jan 25, 2007 7:45 AM:Nice priorities, people! Glad you could make time in your busy schedules for this very important cause, because you know, it's US out there on the field, not just a bunch of overpaid, steroid-infused illiterates. Tools.

Oceansider wrote on Jan 25, 2007 7:48 AM:There is no reason to nix (or, for that matter, support) any stadium deal at this stage of the game. No details are yet available. The most sensible approach, voiced by a reasonable few at last evening's meeting, is to listen to the offer and get a bit more information. Former Councilwoman Mackin once again demonstrated herself to be nothing more than an obstructionist by opposing the plan sight unseen. Thank goodness she isn't on the council itself anymore. Never enter any negotiations appearing overly eager; Oceanside has something the Chargers want. Let's listen, THEN decide whether to support or oppose.

Oceanside Resident wrote on Jan 25, 2007 8:03 AM:Here we go again with our intellegent City Council. 19 of the 180,000 residents expressed favor of a stadium, and the City Council's math concluded more residents are in favor than not. Imagine the traffic on Highway 76!!!

Absurd idea wrote on Jan 25, 2007 8:22 AM:This hormone driven adolescent idea of a sports stadium is absurd. Thousands and thousands of long time residents with homes in the area will have their quality of life destroyed. People will be cutting through residential neighborhoods to get across town- hundreds of small planes will be buzzing the valley on game and event days. And can you imagine a fire like the one in Escondido? How would our police and fire personnel even get downtown while contending with almost a hundred thousand vehicles clogging our east/west streets and all the freeways? Absurd.

bad wrote on Jan 25, 2007 8:28 AM:wow people want more traffic in the north county. !! why? How would this be a good idea? We will just end up paying more!!!

cheers wrote on Jan 25, 2007 8:42 AM:Be careful what you wish for; it may come true. The idea that many residents said a stadium could bring jobs, hotels, restaurants and tax revenue to Oceanside is possible. However, most jobs that the stadium will generate, as well as new hotels and new restaurants, will be minimum wage. There is a great chance that Oceanside will need better roads, more fire, ambulance, and police protection which may not be covered by income from the stadium. The significant loss of beach, parks, other natural areas and any negative impact to the current and future community must be carefully considered. Natural elements (beach, etc.) cannot be replaced later. School & library systems, health care system, etc. can also be negatively impacted. Plan carefully; plan for the worse case; plan for Oceanside's future. A stadium will touch all of San Diego County and nearby counties.

OSIDE wrote on Jan 25, 2007 8:47 AM:Well- hopefully the stadium would have a multi million dollar naming contract by Genentech or someone but I get your meaning ;)

Concerned wrote on Jan 25, 2007 9:10 AM:There is no doubt in my mind that a stadium, and the Chargers, is a great opportunity for Oceanside. I would strongly suggest that the city move forward cautiously. I'm a fan of The Chargers, but I'm not a fan of the Spanos family, and I would make sure they paid their own way. It would be a shame for The Chargers to move to National City of Chula Vista, or worse, out of state.

george wrote on Jan 25, 2007 9:14 AM:I was there last night, I thought the pros out weigh the cons. I was suprised to see how close the count was {19 to 16}. With that in mind, please city council put it on a ballot and let the great people of o'side vote on it!!

Answer me this. wrote on Jan 25, 2007 9:16 AM:Look, if a professional sports team is such a boon to the local economy, why isn't the City of San Diego doing more to ensure that the Chargers stay put? Why hasn't Los Angeles, with its huge media market, gone out and bought itself a football team? The bottom line is that massive sports arenas don't generate much revenue for the cities that have them. Those revenues that are generated are usually siphoned off into an enterprise or redevelopment fund that was created to finance the development. But, once they come, sports teams hold cities hostage with demands for greater subsidies and give aways.

Get a grip wrote on Jan 25, 2007 9:42 AM:The city council seemed as if they were in Hollywood last night at the appearance of Fabiani. I thought the mayor was going to cry as he declared that they had a celebrity in their chambers. The stadium may come but to all those that spoke of a Super Bowl in Oceanside...Get A Grip! There will NEVER be a Super Bowl in Oceanside. There is no space for the side activities, there are no hotel room, there are no 5 start restaurants, and the Aviara can only hold so many. It outgrew Mission Valley and hotel circle for goodness sake. It is very sad that this community thinks so poorly of itself that a glance from the chargers has whipped up such a frenzy. I have been a charger fan since Balboa Stadium and the AFL, but this is just ridiculous. They see a council full of chumps who will bend over and open their wallet to the Spanos organization.

born and raised... wrote on Jan 25, 2007 9:42 AM:to:(Look at Patriots) who cares if anyone knows where we are we have enough people invading our best kept secret!!!

crazy idea wrote on Jan 25, 2007 9:43 AM:WHAT are you people thinking???! We have enough problems with traffic in North County already! Putting a stadium in Oside would just cause MORE! Im an avid Chargers fan, dont get me wrong... but Oceanside should remain A BEACH town. Look what Legoland did to Palomar Airport Road- some OTHER town can have the stadium AND all the problems that come with it! It sounds like a good idea, at first, but think about this people, cause ITS NOT!!

Easy John wrote on Jan 25, 2007 10:04 AM:unless you can cite where to find what your professors have said, don't bring it up. No, 70,000 people working their way through Oceanside on a weekly basis over a period of five months would have no economic benefit whatsoever... GET A CLUE! However, I like what that Van Doren columnist wrote - Oceanside is a place where good ideas go to die. If we were Carlsbad, this stadium would already be under construction!

SUPER BOWL! wrote on Jan 25, 2007 10:08 AM:10 weeks of preseason and regular season football, 2 to 3 more games if they make the playoffs, plus the NFL would come ever 5 or 6 years to throw a week long party called the SUPER BOWL .... HELLO!?!?!?! McFly? And the Chargers would pay for the construction! Don't screw this once in a lifetime opportunity up, Oceanside. How can anyone say this wouldn't be good for the local economy?

Sandy K wrote on Jan 25, 2007 10:14 AM:My husband is a rabid Chargers fan so he would love it. Personally, I think there are a lot of questions about the benefits to the city. What happens in 25 years when the Chargers are no longer interested in the "aging stadium?" What will Oceanside do with it then? Remember when the Chargers required the city of San Diego to guarantee 60,000 in ticket sales and the city was required to buy tickets to make up any shortfall? The Chargers will do what benefits the Chargers, not Oceanside, Chula Vista or Las Vegas. They have proven that time and again. I'm not for or against the stadium in Oceanside, I don't live near it, but I do believe the city should be VERY cautious. There are definite pros and cons and the cons should not be ignored. Residents will live with the consequences for a long time.

So What's Next? wrote on Jan 25, 2007 10:14 AM:How about tearing down City Hall and sufficient surrounding area to have Walmart to build a superstore. Before you know it the City will be making so much money the residents will all be getting big fat checks. Yeah, right!

Sandy K wrote on Jan 25, 2007 10:16 AM:My husband is a rabid Chargers fan so he would love it. Personally, I think there are a lot of questions about the benefits to the city. What happens in 25 years when the Chargers are no longer interested in the "aging stadium?" What will Oceanside do with it then? Remember when the Chargers required the city of San Diego to guarantee 60,000 in ticket sales and the city was required to buy tickets to make up any shortfall? The Chargers will do what benefits the Chargers, not Oceanside, Chula Vista or Las Vegas. They have proven that time and again. I'm not for or against the stadium in Oceanside, I don't live near the proposed site. However, I do believe the city should be VERY cautious. There are definite pros and cons and the cons should not be ignored. Residents will live with the consequences for a long time.

How Sad wrote on Jan 25, 2007 10:27 AM:More than 150 people can come out to talk about a 'game' but can't seem to solve problems in their own neighborhoods with poverty, gangs, dropouts, etc. Maybe if these same people would become more active in their own neighborhoods they would understand why we want to keep ours nice.

Johnny wrote on Jan 25, 2007 10:52 AM:From The Sports Economist - June 25, 2005: “As readers of this blog well know, the ‘economic development’ claim is a routine ploy in the political jousting over stadium subsidies. . . . The use of an economic development rationale to justify stadium subsidies has a long history. This history has been extensively studied by sports economists. Here is what we know: (i) Every case for a stadium subsidy is accompanied by an ‘economic impact analysis’ showing that investment in the stadium will help develop the local economy. (ii) Scholars view these studies as political propaganda, not as objective analysis. (iii) Objective evidence that such development actually takes place is meager at best - virtually every published study fails to find a significant economic impact from sports stadia. The economic literature on stadium subsidies is thus very clear: economic development provides no basis for justifying public investment in stadia. Yet peddlers of fantasy under the economic development banner make their living aiding and abetting major league owners in their quest for public handouts. In Kelo, the Supreme Court had the opportunity to ban this tripe from the courtroom in takings cases. But the decision gives these same peddlers the license to aid and abet developers in tearing down neighborhoods.” -----

DN wrote on Jan 25, 2007 10:56 AM:I was at the city council meeting, and could barely make heads or tails out of anyones concepts. Most did'nt make a point, and others had no point to make. I personally am in favor of the Chargers coming to Oceanside, But find their choice of Locations simply Rediculous. YOU DONT PUT A STADIUM IN THE MIDDLE OF A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY! It needs to be in an open Commercial area with plenty of space for everything that a Stadium will require. That piece of property is only good for the Chargers, Not for the Community at which it resides.

morty wrote on Jan 25, 2007 10:58 AM:boy that was fast.sandy types fast or was that a stutter.10.14 10.16

King Midas wrote on Jan 25, 2007 11:22 AM:Greed will get you grief. Be careful what you ask for!

DW wrote on Jan 25, 2007 11:27 AM:We have a lot to think about. I was born and raised in oceanside (Maxson ST.) I think "ANSWER ME THIS" brought up a very valid point, if stadiums are soo profitable how com statistics don't proove that. Oceanside is a surf town, I am not about to give it up to San Diego, Orange County, and LA barnies. I am not ruling the Chargers out, but we need to be really smart about this, this land is precious! Can we bulldoze the greenbrier apts?, (ruined my neighborhood many years ago) also can we doze all of center st. brooks st. and the baseball fields. Make the Chargers build the state of the art swim complex, baseball, and training fascility. We need to be demanding.

Oceansider wrote on Jan 25, 2007 11:59 AM:More opinions seem to be formed about this issue than the objective facts would support. If, at this early stage of the game, the city council said, "No thanks," many of the posters here would be calling for the council's collective heads that the idea was rejected out of hand. Discounting that proportion of residents who are against the proposal for purely personal reasons, whose mind will never be changed, the elected officials of this city owe it to the rest of us to at least listen to any offers. If the deal stinks, we'll let them know. Don't condemn this idea until we see some detail. Total failure is assured by a failure to start. But "Get a grip" was right; the mayor genuflecting before Fabiani (whose name he couldn't ever pronounce correctly) was sickening. This man isn't a celebrity; he's an attorney who's been on TV.

Hey Absurd wrote on Jan 25, 2007 12:05 PM:In case you haven't noticed - that run down golf course is next to the GHETTO! What quality of life?

Hey Johnny! wrote on Jan 25, 2007 12:10 PM:you just cited a BLOG! LOL! Oh my... let me teach about a little something called CREDIBILITY... on second thought, I'll leave you in your ignorance. mercy. A blog.

John wrote on Jan 25, 2007 12:37 PM:Hey Johnny- O.K it was a blog sorry,It sited some professors names which could be followed up, but I also included a small part of an article from Reason Magazne which did not take so I will try again. But if you want to teach someone about CREDIBILITY as you explained show me some factual data, some article or data about the benfits of a sports stadium. The title is= Demolishing Sports Welfare Two court cases could mean the end of publicly funded stadiums. Source: Daniel McGraw | May 2005 Print Edition When Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones asked Arlington, Texas, voters to pay for a fancy new stadium last November, he did not call the classic plays from the sports welfare handbook. He could not say that America's Team needed a state-of-the-art facility to compete, since Texas Stadium (in the Dallas-adjacent suburb of Irving) has more luxury suites than any other in the National Football League, and the Cowboys won three Super Bowls in the 1990s. He could not say he was financially strapped, since his franchise ranks sixth in the NFL in profits and second in revenue, according to Forbes magazine. Most important, he did not use the team owners' favorite and most effective threat--to move to a new city--because the Cowboys have always had very strong local fan support; the Dallas�Fort Worth media market is the fifth-largest in the country, and Dallas Cowboys is a powerhouse global brand name. But Jones had three key deadlines to beat. His lease in Irving was scheduled to run out in 2009, so a new stadium deal needed to be done quickly. Electorally speaking, there was no better time to pass a tax increase than during the high-profile presidential vote of 2004; special elections usually draw low turnouts, and the anti-tax older folks show up in droves. But perhaps the most important deadline of all loomed in 2005, when the window for public financing of sports stadiums in the United States may be slammed shut by two court decisions expected to be handed down during the year. Kelo v. New London, which the Supreme Court is scheduled to rule on by summer, could decide once and for all when or even whether governments have the right to use eminent domain to acquire private property for the benefit of private businesses. Meanwhile, Hamilton County v. Cincinnati Bengals Inc., which is being heard in federal court in Cincinnati, is challenging football's federal anti-trust exemption, forcing all NFL teams to open their closely guarded books, and arguing that the Bengals' demand of build-it-or-we-can't-compete is tantamount to fraud.

MG wrote on Jan 25, 2007 1:17 PM:People do not worry Oceanside is not going to get the chargers. Chula Vista will probably get the Chargers, because they have more land to offer and will do more to get the Chargers. They understand the money this will bring into the city. Be Patience! Do not let the Chargers scare you and say they are going to move to Los Angeles those stadiums are older than the one they have now. The NFL has made it clear they do not want a professional team in Vegas

Bubba wrote on Jan 25, 2007 1:23 PM:Football my assets, me and my cousins are comin' to town for the monster truck rallys and the swap meets. Just keep the price of beer reasonable boys.

How about this wrote on Jan 25, 2007 1:43 PM:I think we should call Las Vegas and see what the odds are that The Chargers will be coming to Oceanside. Then we will know if we should hire big gun Lawyers to represent and protect us in this deal.

whose best interest? wrote on Jan 25, 2007 1:59 PM:The city of Oceanside needs to have a clause, if it doesn't already, prohibiting city employees, for several years, from taking a job with individuals/groups with whom they negotiate and deal with in business. It would be reasurring to know that council members and others negotiating with the Chargers were acting in the best interest of the city versus a reward for themselves of big bucks employment in the near future.

Hummm........ wrote on Jan 25, 2007 2:24 PM:Let's put it at El Corrazon. It is a great location for the thing! That piece of property by the freeway is wayyyyyyyyy tooooooooooo small.

Jeannie P. wrote on Jan 25, 2007 2:27 PM:I was so embarrassed when I watched the meeting (circus) from home. Our mayor is such an embarrassment, and the council (ga, ga, ga--it's the chargers!!!). To the council: please find some restraint and pull your wagging toungs back into your mouth, we are watching and we are embarrassed.

Proceed With Caution wrote on Jan 25, 2007 2:42 PM:The Chargers coming to Oceanside has the potential to be a good deal for the city but it also has the potential to bring in more traffic, crime, noise, home prices will increase that it may leave out the common joe who may want to call Oceanside home in the future. Think clearly of all the costs and benefits carefully and then proceed with caution.

Loca Local wrote on Jan 25, 2007 3:58 PM:We can't even protect our local peace officers from being killed by our own residents, and yet we want to invite strangers into our city to potentially cause mayhem. Oceanside is the halfway point from TJ to LA...shall we invite drug smuggling as well? How is Oceanside Police Department going to be able to respond to Civil Disturbances and Gang Fights at a huge stadium? It's distressing to think that potential dollar signs are having folks forego safety, conservation, and peace. Let the Chargers go ruin another city.

bring the chargers to Oceanside PLEASE wrote on Jan 25, 2007 4:02 PM:It will be great if well planned! Lets do it. Don't listen to the local yodels who don't speak for the younger demographic who wants this! Good job Oceanside,,,make this happen!

Paul wrote on Jan 25, 2007 4:24 PM:I dont know how any of you can even have a real opinion on any of this until you hear more about it. Be patient, don't be so quick to say "yes" or "no". Get the facts, shut your mouth, open your mind, and listen. Then decide.

Kathy wrote on Jan 25, 2007 4:26 PM:I would like to see some redevelopment in that area. The Chargers have deep pockets. A blog earlier had a good idea of having the Chargers building some new stuff to benefit Oceanside, such as pools, or new condos, I think that is a good idea.

Lawrence wrote on Jan 25, 2007 4:28 PM:I would love to see this happen. Im not a 30 something ninny either. I bet some of you who are complaining complain about everything. Some of you sound so old and bitter, its sad.

Kenny wrote on Jan 25, 2007 4:30 PM:I hope the Chargers do come to O'side. I live in that area but I would be glad to move to another apartment if I could walk to the games on Sundays. The traffic will only be bad on 10 Sundays a year, and only from 9am -1pm and 430pm- 630pm. Just stay out of that area for a few hours.

To loca local wrote on Jan 25, 2007 4:32 PM:I cannot believe you would use the tragic killing of a young Officer to make your point. You're sick. What the heck does drug smuggling have to do with a Charger vs Broncos game.

Greg wrote on Jan 25, 2007 4:33 PM:Hey Local at 358pm, get your story straight, and dont ever use Officer Bessants death in one of your blogs again.

Welcome Bolts wrote on Jan 25, 2007 4:36 PM:I think this would be great for Oceanside. Lets not blow this! Remember to vote, if you dont vote, you cant complain! Oceanside is NOT a quiet beach town anymore. If you want that, move to Leucadia. We have a lot to offer-the Harbor, the Pier, maybe this could help get us a better airport too.

to greg wrote on Jan 25, 2007 4:38 PM:you tell him bro, that wasn't called for at all. I am all for the Chargers coming here, as long as we dont get ran over by a big corporation.

Hey john wrote on Jan 25, 2007 4:40 PM:Are you kidding me with all that mumbo jumbo. What do you think this is a Princeton debate class or something. You have way too much time on your hands. Lighten up Johnny, breathe a little.

To Kenny wrote on Jan 25, 2007 4:43 PM:Beyond the fact that you are a RENTER who has no property to be affected by the lower property values the rest of us HOMEOWNERS will, are you really so unaware as to think the stadium will only be used for Charger football? They've already said they would work to have the stadium utilized as many of the 365 days in the year as possible. The problems are not limited to 10 days a year and will impact area HOMEOWNERS the same 365 days a year the stadium is in use. NO THANKS!

I THINK wrote on Jan 25, 2007 4:53 PM:The residents on the east side of Horne Street south of Mission Avenue will have a spectacular view of the Pacific Ocean and a beautiful park stadium to the east. The Center Street area should be bulldozed and made into beautiful condo's, shops, and restaurants....using the Brooks Street overpass to enter into the beautiful park stadium....What do you THINK?

Johnny wrote on Jan 25, 2007 6:33 PM:Scenario #1- We get the stadium and become another DelMar, they have the horse races and we have the Chargers. Home prices match Del Mar prices. Rentals rent for over 2 thousand a month. All the cheap apartments and check cashing places go. Petco Park! Scenario #2- We get the stadium and all the problems. Sewage disposal, police and fire ect. Low rentals, and home prices fall because of the nusance factor such as noise, traffic, crime. LA! People eat at the stadium or a favorite resturant in San Clemente on the way home to Long Beach. They do not bother with Oceanside after the game, but drive north or south. Scenario #3- We do not get the Chargers as Chula Vista sweetens the pot with more free land and more money. Chula vista and Oceanside become embroled in a bidding war and we lose.

Good planned development brings tax dollars wrote on Jan 25, 2007 6:55 PM:Oceanside has several hotels and a timeshare in the works, Citymark wants to build extensively downtown,the old Drive-In will be developed..this means huge tax dollars for our city...you screw that all up by putting a stadium right in the middle of town. Residents will not be able to utilize these new assets and stadium traffic would preclude large scale assistance downtown because our safety personnel couldn't even get there. Don't be greedy be smart. Let the planned developments come in- save our way of life in Oceanside and we will all reap the benefits without having a crush of traffic and minimum wage jobs and increased crime coming into our city.

I'm curious wrote on Jan 25, 2007 6:58 PM:Why do people writing about being fans of the Chargers care where they play? You aren't getting any finanial benefit..that all goes to Spanos and his high-priced attorneys. We all know most of you never go to the games and watch it on TV. I'd rather go to the store from some food and beer, invite some friends and then come back home and party than be stuck in traffic most of the year. Gee, isn't that what we already are able to? Why spoil it?

BRING IT ON..... wrote on Jan 25, 2007 7:20 PM:I THINK IT WILL BE GOOD FOR OUR CITY...HE WHO HOLDS THE MONEY HAS THE LAST SAY...SO WHATEVER HAPPENS, HAPPENS....IM FOR IT

Wendy wrote on Jan 25, 2007 8:43 PM:Unlike Paul @ 2:42 "I dont know how any of you can even have a real opinion on any of this until you hear more about it. Be patient." Duh Paul. We've done research--we know what we are in for, and it ain't pretty. We aren't waiting for the BS machine--we'll leave that for those like you that don't do research but instead wait for the Charger fairy dust to land on your pointed head. Bla, bla, bla, bla--it will be soooooooooooooooooo goooooooooooood for Oceanside...we can hear it now. The council are a bunch of morons--God help us. Has anyone seen Peter Pan lately? I heard he was floating around Goat Hill looking for some lost Charger boys....

Hey Welcome Bolts wrote on Jan 25, 2007 10:41 PM:Please don't give O-siders any ideas about moving to Leucadia. Bel Air this isn't, but I'm sure plenty in this part of town see Oceanside for what it is-- ghetto! From a third party perspective, I don't see how a significant stimulus for redevelopment could hurt the area a whole lot. Granted, from a hardline economic sense, most jobs created by a stadium would be strikingly blue-collar, but the small crew running the golf course probably isn't making a big mark in the city assets column either. Kathy has the right idea. A significant boon to Oceanside is chump change for the Chargers.

Fashion Valley wrote on Jan 26, 2007 1:25 AM:I can see how people would think the stadium would hurt Oceanside. Look at the terrible state of Fashion Valley and downtown. I would hate to see Tiffany and Co. move into Oceanside! And all those classy eateries they have downtown. I would hate to see that too. Come on folks, we could WALK home from the game after a dozen $10.00 beers!

Dan wrote on Jan 26, 2007 2:40 AM:How much does it cost per person for a round of golf? How many golfers a year use the course? what are the maintance costs? Does it make or lose money? Traffic exists whether or not a stadium comes or does not come. People going to the game will not snake around every side street to get in and out - they will funnel to the main artery in and out of the stadium. Most people will use trains to get to the game and walk to the facility- most of them will be going south, some due north. The city will have no chance of any economic impact if it does nothing or stands pat. Housing values wil go up with a stadium. See what has happend near and around Petco park. Even Mark, A, the Sd city lawyer had to admit the positive impact petco has had on the city - even though he fought it. If a game holds 65,000 people - some of those people will buy things in Oceanside on game day. Think of other events, like world cup soccer when it comes to the US again - concerts, smaller corparate and city events on the property. Oceanside is not an isolated town like it was in the 50's and 60's and we can not turn the clock back. All this area from the border to LA will be packed with people in the next 25 years - with only the marine base keeping a barrier(thankfully for that too). The best place for a stadium would have been where the Drive Thoughs were on the 76 - in that area but I heard that land was sold. Let oceanside be a player in this county and be a greater asset than it is now instead of the run down image(whether true or not) it seemingly has now.

Stupid is as stupid does wrote on Jan 26, 2007 5:42 AM:Moving Jack Murphy Stadium to Goat Hill is the equivalent of moving Lindbergh International Airport to the Oceanside Municipal Airport site. Waite don't be too judgmental, maybe you need to study it first.

To Fashion Valley wrote on Jan 26, 2007 10:11 AM:Tiffany and Co compared to a sports arena? You're comparing apples and oranges.

Change of Seats wrote on Jan 26, 2007 5:36 PM:I see from the photo that Jack Feller has moved on the dias and that Jerry Kern now has to sit next to Sanchez. What did Kern do to deserve this punishment?

to wendy wrote on Jan 26, 2007 7:37 PM:Wendy, this just came about in recent weeks.....so research doesn't mean reading one of these columns and watching the city council meeting from your living room. (By the way it was 4:24, not 2:42, but you get a lot of things backwards don't you?) If you're so much smarter than the council why don't you run for a seat and help all of us see the light! I suppose you didn't want the beautiful new resort by the pier either. Yeah, a skate park was much more beneficial to all of us, lots of $$ coming in there. Good job ydnew, I mean wendy.

quiet beach town?? wrote on Jan 26, 2007 7:40 PM:Some of you are living in a cave, or a time machine. Oceanside is not a quiet little beach town anymore, hasn't been for years. Lets get with the times and bring something nice to the city. No more .99 cent stores, no more used appliance shops on 101. Go to Coast Hwy, make a left and tell me how many run down shops you see between Vista Way and La Jolla, almost none. Only this quiet little beach town has those. Come on up Chargers, this town needs you.

good points Dan wrote on Jan 26, 2007 7:45 PM:That golf course is usually empty, I know I use it. I use it because its cheap and close by. However, it is not a quality course by any stretch of the imagination. My car has been broken into twice in the last 3 years while I was golfing. By the way, my car has never been broken into while I have attended Petco, or Qualcom. Just for info, I know its by sure chance. After golfing, I never stop near the course to eat, the neighborhood is terrible. I do when I leave Petco though. Just for info.

JF wrote on Jan 27, 2007 7:36 AM:I am glad to see both sides fired up. There are many benefits to building a stadium in the O'Side corridor- and many pitfalls that will need to be worked out before breaking ground. The good news is that we have numerous examples to learn from when it comes to a major project like this one. I would love to see some nice restaurants pop up and be able to hop on a train to go check out a car show or concert at our new venue. The Rolling Stones.. Mick Jagger will be 93 and could kick things off from his wheelchair.

Dah wrote on Jan 27, 2007 9:23 AM:Anyone who thinks they are serious about coming to Oceanside needs to get their head checked! Like little kids playing two against the middle. Threaten San Diego until they cave in then bye bye oceanside, oh yes, thanks for spending city dollars but we don't need you anymore. If in doubt check with Al Davis, he plays that game well.

Fashion Valley wrote on Jan 27, 2007 12:26 PM:Your missing the point. Look at Fashion Valley and Downtown since the stadiums have been built. Sure you have more traffic with both but look at the tax revenue they ave brought. Fashion Valley mall. All the other stores. Downtown has been rejuvinated. Downtown used to be getto. Remember? Now, I don't know about economic studies and all that jazz but it appears to me that if you build it they will come....and spend money in our city. We already have the traffic, we might as well have the money. Yall sound like a bunch of old farts, "All the traffic, all those people....It will really put a burdan on bridge night with the Jones'. These darn kids and there stadium!" Cal Trans will do studies....on ramps and off ramps will be made and the traffic will be primarily limited to the freeway and not surface streets. And people talk about space? Look at Where Petco is...Anyone ever been to Yankee Stadium? Not much of a footprint there. (GO Yankees!)

To Fashion Valley wrote on Jan 27, 2007 3:03 PM:Not only am I not old (unless mid-30's is old), traffic is the least of my concerns when it comes to the ridiculous idea of putting a football stadium in the middle of an established residential area. More urgent concerns include (but are not limited to) inevitably diminishing property values, increasing litter, loud and late noise, the congested parking that will take place for a good 2 miles around the area when the parking is full or people don't want to pay for it, etc. I'll tell you what ... we'll take Tiffany and Co if they promise to the put stadium somewhere it actually makes sense.

Caryl wrote on Jan 27, 2007 3:59 PM:As a citizen of the City of San Diego, I applaud the future vision that the political leaders of Oceanside have for their city. Yes there are a great many issues to be resolved when seeking to retain the Chargers as a regional asset. However, unlike the political representatives of the City of San Diego, Oceanside's City Council is willing to spend the time required to evaluate the proposal for building a new stadium in the best interest of the citizens they serve rather than just simply ignore it without even discussing it as America's Finest Circus City Council has done.

MVC wrote on Jan 28, 2007 11:15 AM:THE MATH DOESN'T ADD UP - Back when the stadium was "only" going to cost $400 miilion, the Chargers were going to need to develop 66.6 of the 166 acres at the Qualcomm site to pay for the stadium. The cost of the stadium has now risen to $700 million, and the property in question is in now Oceanside. Neither Goal Hill nor El Corazon has nearly the same value as the Qualcomm Stadium property. It would take a HUNDREDS of acres of free land for the Chargers to be able to pay for a stadium in Oceanside. The benefits of 10 Charger home games a year do not justify the land giveaway.

SOCALJETSFAN wrote on Jan 30, 2007 12:37 PM:New stadiums, especially FOOTBALL stadiums do not benefit or impact local economies insuch a way that it makes the cities economy better. That takes many, many years. The city residents usually have to dole out more in their tax dollars every year, and the millionaire owners and millionaire players take little or no financial responsibilities. LET THE OWNERS pay for their own stadiums for thier million dollar babies.