Yes, lets partner with Carlsbad wrote on Jan 30, 2007 1:04 AM:Carlsbad gets all the Hotel taxes and restaurant taxes and we (Oceanside) gets all the traffic and crime. Good deal boys!

Down Medico way. wrote on Jan 30, 2007 2:06 AM: Let them go - they are getting to be a pain in the - well- neck. they can't even win a superbowl. Maybe they will take them south of the border.

Floyd wrote on Jan 30, 2007 2:17 AM:Let me get this straight ... you want to build a football stadium with increased home taxes? Are you planning on letting the homeowners in for free at all events held in the stadium? If not, don't use taxes to build the stadium!

Let the owners pay wrote on Jan 30, 2007 2:47 AM:No more corporate welfare for sports teams. Quit paying the high salaries and build you own stadium. The middle class can't even afford tickets to go to the games.

Randy wrote on Jan 30, 2007 3:15 AM:Eminent domain will prevent this possibility from becoming a reality. The city must not consider the using eminent domain to give private homes to billionaire Alex Spanos.

Loco wrote on Jan 30, 2007 4:33 AM:There must be something in Fabini's water: NO THANK YOU. Carlsbad has a record of dumping on Oceanside, we don't need those jerks pushing this thing down our throat. This is the last thing we need, to take all the impacts from this crazy notion, oh, and don't forget where they will stay, it won't be Oceanside. CRAZY!

Randy wrote on Jan 30, 2007 4:49 AM:Mark Fabiani, the team's lead negotiator for a new stadium, shows his ignorance of the relationship between North County cities. Oceanside and Carlsbad disagree over the opening to the public of streets that have been completed for years, such as College Blvd. Oceanside and Carlsbad would disagree over virtually every aspect of a joint agreement to bring the Chargers to North County!

datrout wrote on Jan 30, 2007 5:19 AM:As per the letter that I wrote and that was posted in the NC Times a few weeks back this is the same proposal I suggested. It stands to reason that the North County is the best location for the Chargers and that multiple cities will have to underwrite the proposal.

John wrote on Jan 30, 2007 5:22 AM:Whatever works folks,get with the program and build theese guys a stadiun.The money will follow.

Russell wrote on Jan 30, 2007 5:31 AM:WOW, the ultimate shake-down! What will the Chargers come up with next? Perhaps the Governor will have to make this a state-wide shake-down.....my goodness, greed is one thing, but this goes far beyond that! Hope someone has sanity. Step forward now.

MIKE THE MARINE.... wrote on Jan 30, 2007 5:35 AM:What a concept! Shake down three cities by using one of the top democrats from the Clinton administration and Spanos, a big republican, who likes welfare for the rich. Only thing that is left out so far is Oral Roberts saying if the three cities don't unite and finance this stadium, the lord will call him home. It sounds like a combination of snake oil and viagra.

Fabiani's way... wrote on Jan 30, 2007 6:33 AM:I'm sure Fabiani whispered the idea into Chula Vista and National City because the two cities sit next to one another and both have bay front areas long over due for redevelopment. We all know that east Chula Vista is not the solution. The amphitheater alone generates way too much traffic. Can you imagine two events in that region at the same time? It would simply be gridlock. As for Nasty City, until they shake the image of the shanty-town, I don't think a stadium will make them look any better. Chula Vista coastal and Oceanside are the two really viable solutions because of location to the I-5.

Paul wrote on Jan 30, 2007 7:14 AM:Hey Chargers -- don't let the door hit you on the way out of the county!

Dan wrote on Jan 30, 2007 7:27 AM:Why invite more criminals to North County? The NFL hires crooks for players and they want me to pay for the privilege? I think not . . .

They are waiting for LA!!!! wrote on Jan 30, 2007 7:55 AM:The Chargers are hoping that LA will step up and ask them to come there! These money hunger pigs do not want a fair deal, they want it all and are trying to pit some of the cities against each other! The Chargers should take the offer by Oceanside and be queit! It is never enough! They greedy pukes who wnat it all, even at the expense of the local community! The big lie is the Chargers won't be your hometown team, they are here to snake you money! They are selling snake oil! If LA steps up, these greedy pigs will jump! Step up and make a decision Chargers!

Chargers are killing time! wrote on Jan 30, 2007 8:07 AM:Waiting for a better offer! It is never enough! Oceansside has offered them a sweet deal! f they keep screwing around they will totoally loose thier fan base! This is buisness at its worst! They can't win a super bowl and now they can't make a fair deal!

Grump wrote on Jan 30, 2007 8:11 AM:Their is nothing wrong with Jack Murphy...Qualcomm stadium. They just put 14 million into it not too many years ago. If it not good enough for the chargers, let em go to LA, or to the mid west and freeze their butts off.

Why not Escondido? wrote on Jan 30, 2007 8:13 AM:We can give them all the land from Valley Pkwy north to El Norte and from Centre City east to Valley. Wipe out the slums.... and let's party!

Privately Finance My Butt! wrote on Jan 30, 2007 8:16 AM:The Chargers want us to GIVE them extremely valuable land, displace thousands of residents and then speculate on their land development with them. Who is Fabiani kidding? C'mon Oceanside, wise up! They aren't interested in this town unless we basically give away the city keys to them. It's not worth it on any level!

Are you listening? wrote on Jan 30, 2007 8:19 AM:All right Loma Alta, OCNA and Fire Mountain. Chargers want event 365 days a year! Hello! Quality of life in the toilet for our neighborhoods with traffic, noise, light pollution and increased crime. Oh, and did I mention our shopping and access to the beach will be gone. Wake up and oppose this horrible idea!

To Floyd wrote on Jan 30, 2007 8:20 AM:To be fair, nothing was said about increasing "home taxes".

Sick of it wrote on Jan 30, 2007 8:22 AM:Isn't anyone getting sick of hearing how much the Chargers want to stay in San Diego? If that's true they'd stay in Mission Valley where they have access to 4 freeways, the trolley that goes right into the stadium and a site that's only a few minutes from a big airport. Also, note the costs associated with that stadium- $400K for one year...who in Oceanside wants to take on that obligation. Not me.

Perfect Partners wrote on Jan 30, 2007 8:46 AM:National City and Chula Vista!!!! Go for it guys!!!!

doug and wendy wrote on Jan 30, 2007 9:08 AM:the green bay packers play outside in the snow and sell out every game. You don't hear them crying for a new "state of the art" staduim.

james wrote on Jan 30, 2007 10:08 AM:Easy there North County Folk...No one's talking about you...the deal is obviously between National and Chula...he didn't exclude North County for political reasons...but a seaside deal between National and Chula would make the most sense and benefit both cities...so don't get your panties in a bunch there North County

C-BAD!! wrote on Jan 30, 2007 10:08 AM:Paging Carlsbad! CARLSBAD??? Oside needs to reach out so Carlsbad can show it how to strike big deals and how to follow through.

Ed wrote on Jan 30, 2007 10:42 AM:Why on earth would city leaders want it's tax payers to pay for a stadium, for a Billionaire. Let the Spanos family pay for this thenselves. The average taxpayer can't even afford tickets to a game.

Jim In Oceanside wrote on Jan 30, 2007 11:03 AM:I have to agree with C-Bad. Oceanside had the opportunity for the Car Mall that is now Car Country Carlsbad and turned it down. North County Shopping Center could have been in Oceanside, but the City Council nixed that one too. They've been playing politics for years with the Oceanside Airport, it could have been on par with Palomar Airport. Hwy 76 was supposed to be a freeway, but Oceanside City Council didn't want another east-west freeway, but badly needs one. Not a great track record. The City Council would rather bicker, name call and infight than serve the Citizens of Oceanside as well as the future of Oceanside. I want the Chargers in Oceanside, it would be one of the best things to ever happen to the city, but doubt it will ever happen.

Love San Diego wrote on Jan 30, 2007 11:51 AM:Hey Easy folks. How bout reading the article again and actually understand it. Wow! They are not talking about Carlsbad and Oceanside you babies they are talking more about Nat City/Chula Vista. I'm all for it!! I have spent half my life in Chula Vista and the second half in Oceanside. I love my Chargers and you guys are definately in the minority as the Chargers sell out every week there are lots of us who want the new stadium. We want to host superbowls and be in the hub. Its not all about you and your comfort zone. Deal with progress. Get over yourself!

Opinion wrote on Jan 30, 2007 11:55 AM:Some struggle to give their opinion on every subject that is brought up. People...it is not necessary to have an opinion on something you know nothing about. Message board graffiti is the end result!

We want Chargers wrote on Jan 30, 2007 12:15 PM:We want Chargers, We want Chargers, We want Chargers. Oceanside loves the Chargers!!!!!!

To We want Charges wrote on Jan 30, 2007 12:25 PM:Please be careful to speak only for yourself. This Oceanside resident is pulling for Chula Vista!!!!

Concerned wrote on Jan 30, 2007 12:32 PM:The Chargers are a definite asset to San Diego. It's sad to see so many negative blogs about this. I think Oceanside would be a great location for the team and fans. And, it would definitely kick O'side up a knotch. For get about National City, and Chula Vista...Oceanside is the right location. Wake up people!

Long time Oside Resident wrote on Jan 30, 2007 12:34 PM:Wah wah wah..."extremely valuable land" "increasing home taxes"... who said any of that? Cmon people get w/the program!! 1st of all, most of the land around that sorry golf course is ghetto slums and Fabiani has forever been talking about not increasing or burdening tax payers. Moreover, why not give them the land so they can redevelop the area, the city sure as heck won't ever get around to it! Lastly, who ever said anything about partnering with Cbad? Why not Vista, San Marcos or Escondido? Aren't these the cities that are getting the new Sprinter railway done!?!?! Wise up people!

BIGJOESDCA wrote on Jan 30, 2007 12:40 PM:You same pukes talking all the smack about the CHARGERS are the same people wearing their jerseys while they are winning. A state of the Art stadium is needed for the NFL to even let another Superbowl be held in San Diego County because our stadium isn't up to par. Cities have to remember the revenue generated by Superbowls held in their cities. Yeah O-Side won't benifit much because their city doesn't have much to offer. But O-side residents don't need to put that blame off on the Chargers or Carlsbad for that fact. It is their fault for wanting the Andy Griffith Beach Town. That is why O-side, if selected, needs to put up money for some re-development so that they can compete with Carlsbad. And CLEAN up your streets all that crime it can't get any worse anyways. I as a season ticket holder want the CHARGERS to remain in the county South Side or O-Side it makes no difference just shut up and get it done.

Oceanside Resident wrote on Jan 30, 2007 12:52 PM:No amount or revenue from this will be enough to compensate for the clogged roads and smog, stay in San Diego where you belong.

Johnnyp wrote on Jan 30, 2007 1:02 PM:The Chargers want a new stadium-poor beggars- well they should build a stadium with their own money, or have all the Charger fans chip in and buy them a nice new stadium. Billionaire owners and players looking for a "hand out." Chargers go to Vegas.

Leave Carlsbad Out Of It wrote on Jan 30, 2007 1:05 PM:Please don't get them involved. If this Goat Hill thing passes I might just have to move there.

Joe wrote on Jan 30, 2007 1:36 PM:There are several ways to make this deal prosperous. I just don’t believe the Chargers or Oceanside know how to do it. I can point out Detroit and Ford Field as an economic shot in the arm but you can also point out the Silver Dome as an economic drain, if these things are done wrong, it cost the tax payer huge amounts of money. San Diego and other city officials want to see like they are trying to save the chargers, when in reality they are trying to save their jobs. It will cost us in the long run. Let them go, they are getting way too greedy.

Sam wrote on Jan 30, 2007 2:32 PM:You na -sayers in Oceanside are all ridiculas. How many times does someone have to say: "No tax payer money" or "No city funded stadium" or "The stadium will be privately funded" and "The stadium will be the city owner after being built" Where is the mis-understanding???? This is a total win-win deal that you will blow for our town. The Chargers coming to Oceanside would totally rejuvenate this second rate beach city we live in. This town needs money and improvements pumped into it and this is a golden opportunity for us. I for one see no future in this town in its present state, our infrustruction is getting older along with our commercial and residential structures. We need improvements in a hurry. This deal is the shot in the arm we need, its like a that rundown street where that one guy takes the inititive to remodel/update his home and it kicks off a a chain reaction on improvement where others on that street start remodeling and cleaning up their neighborhood.. Your all blind if you don't see this.

To Sam wrote on Jan 30, 2007 3:34 PM:They need to keep saying it until I get numb (or dumb) enough to believe it. Aside from that, if you think Oceanside is such a "second rate beach city" then by all means, please, feel free to leave!

K wrote on Jan 30, 2007 4:14 PM:Let them go somewhere else. There's nothing wrong with the current stadium. Maybe they should focus more on giving to SD rather than taking. Oh yeah. What about just playing football! Maybe win one for the gipper.

ivan wrote on Jan 30, 2007 4:34 PM:let the chargers come to oceanside be a great idea

To doug and wendy wrote on Jan 30, 2007 4:38 PM:The Green Bay Packers are owned by the city of Green Bay, so demands for a new stadium or even the team moving won’t ever be an issue for that ball club.

Who's Goat did we wrote on Jan 30, 2007 5:57 PM:If Spanos is the man, free land has got to be the plan! Oceanside awaits the deal, so just bend over and begin squeal! Mayor Wood may save the day, so why I fear we all will pay! The Charges have got our hill of goats, but our last laugh will be our votes!

American-Irish Resident wrote on Jan 30, 2007 7:46 PM:It would appear that the rsidents of O'side want their main income producing businesses to stay the same as always...fast food restaurants, tatoo parlors, and second hand clothing stores. What is the prime hotel in Ocenaside? It is probably Motel 6 now that Marty's Valley Inn is 50 years old. Yeah, keep the Chargers out and retain head shops as the fourth largest business style in Oceanside.

Daryl wrote on Jan 30, 2007 8:03 PM: I can't, for the sake of me, understand all the people who want nothing to do with the Chargers & a new stadium. Are these people really aware of what this means?? It means more money for your city, more recognition, & most importantly, keeping the Chargers HOME!!! Wake up people, your ingornace is really horrible. KEEP THE CHARGERS IN SAN DIEGO!!!

Nothing wrong wrote on Jan 30, 2007 8:11 PM:To those of you that keep repeating there's nothing wrong with the current stadium....Have you ever been within 500 yards of it? Probably not, but just go ahead and type because I'm sure you mean well!

I can see it now! wrote on Jan 30, 2007 9:42 PM:Chargers build the stadium in National City, leave the ugly remnants in Mission Valley for the city to deal with, and ask for free land in Oceanside and Chula Vista to develop. What idiots we are going to be. Go to Las Vegas...remember, what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas...so just go and stay there!

G. Young wrote on Jan 31, 2007 9:10 AM:The Green Bay Packers are Not owned by the city...they are a publicly held team...that means stockholders...mostly people who live there...and since we lost our basketball...why not lose our football team too.....you people are pathetic....Americas finest city..ya right....its all the transplants that have ruined this city....why don't you ALL GO BACK! San Diego SuperChargers forever!

American-Irish Resident wrote on Jan 31, 2007 8:50 PM:Kudos to the great point made by G Young about the Packers being held by stockholders. America's Finest City fell prey to city government employees fleecing the city monies in a pension scam and that is why the Chargers could not create a deal in the city of San Diego. San Diego would like the Chargers to stay except that the city was destroyed by its own employees.

No Need: wrote on Feb 1, 2007 6:58 AM:I can't think of a single reason why a dollar of public money or a square inch of public land should be used to support a Professional Football Team! The need for a $700 million stadium, stretches the meaning of "need" to the breaking point. We don't NEED luxury boxes for corporations and political lobbiests and their fat cat clients. Let them play in whatever they can afford from their own profits; Not one dime of public money. That would build a hospital or a school.

priorities wrote on Feb 1, 2007 7:04 AM:A multimillion dollar playpen for Neanderthals to perform in for the amusement of Cro-Magnon fans should not be built at the publics expense!

Dave wrote on Feb 1, 2007 5:39 PM:It is funny listening to people who do not even understand what is going on in your own community. Priorities comments are just as foolish as the people who want to give "everything" to the Chargers without doing any research. I have to laugh at your adjective to describe Charger fans like me or people who believe that 2 sides can come up with a plan for profit for both the communitty and the Chargers. Are you studying for the SAT with your child and you wanted to use a new word out? I have been a tax payer in San Diego since my first job in High School at Alvarado Hospital in 1981 and have watched as my money has been wasted by my local government, extorted by greedy politicians, stolen by private business', or just put into a "cash funnell" and watching it all disappear and never seeing any results from it. Our schools need more money then we can give, our streets and highways are constanly under repair, hell it is a big deal if we can open a library now. The fact is the city and county need to be smart and use the Chargers as the Chargers are going to use the cities. It is a business deal and must be treated like one. For anyone to say that building a 75,000 seat stadium on "Goat" Golf Coarse could not generate huge finacial benefits for Oceanside just is not thinking. If you structure the deal so that the Chargers pay for the Stadium and road improvements at no expense to the community then it is up to the local poiticians to make a deal that benefits all of us so that we get a piece of the pie and future revenues. The communitty is already at a plus, now it is up to the people we voted in to make the deal that beneifts us for decades to come. The Chargers have brought in the "big guns" for this and so must we, we can not have "starry eyed" people who think it is fun to talk to the Chargers, we need someone who can do a real negotiation unlike the last stadium deal made by Mayor Golding and her Republican friend, Alex Spanos, where we were all thrown to the wolfs because of party affiliation and not was is good for all of San Diego county. For anyone to discount the Chargers organization as a bunch of neanderthals playing a game is a very close minded statement. They are a Corporation like Qualcomm, like Frazee paint, Like MR. A's...they are a fabric of the community but they need to be treated like a business not anything special. That way the Chargers negotiate to win and so does San Diego County and then it becomes a win-win and the money begins to flow into the economy. There are business's in Oceanside just waiting for something like this to happen, for 75,000 new customers to frequent the stores. For the METLIFE blimp to show pictures of the Pier, parks, and beaches every Sunday during football season so that people want to visit that "beautiful place they saw on TV" 12 months a year. This should not be a scholar vs jock argument because you lost your high school girlfriend to a Quaterback. It should be a decision based on finances, money that my local politicians get for my community through negotiations with a corporation. If you think our communities are going to get better off of Tax money, look around, they are not. Our communitties will only get better when the decisions to invest the money we have actually brings money back. No one ever wants to pay higher taxes, alot of people feel we pay to much already. Then we must use bussness as they have used us, the community, to make money and profit. Then we as a communitty win. We get to keep our neanderthals and the cro-magnon tax paying fans are happy and we get to help our local schools. libraries, roads, and things we may have never dreamed about brought on by circumstance, all because we, as a communitty invested wislely!

Paul wrote on Feb 4, 2007 10:53 AM:I can see how some people think it'd be a nightmare to have the Chargers in their town, but don't forget about the people like me- who live in Autsin, TX now, and fly in for 1/2 the home games. If you put the stadium in Oceanside, I now will fly into Carlsbad (more revenue for that city), stay in a Oceanside/ Carlsbad hotel (more revenue for the city), eat out and drink in the town (more revenue for the city), and this is money that would have never been seen- because I live over 2,000 miles away. I don't think citizens realize the amount of tax revenues that come into their city from "non-residents."