Tyler Durden says wrote on Feb 16, 2007 5:03 AM:First rule of Fight Club...never talk about Fight Club. Second Rule of Fight Club...never talk about Fight Club.

Unfortunatly wrote on Feb 16, 2007 5:57 AM:Unfortunatly being part of a gang is the cool thing to do. If their is no street gang to join just make one up with your friends. This sounds like the samething that happened to those kids from La Costa Canyon high school. By the way NCT what ever happened in that case?

Our Town... wrote on Feb 16, 2007 6:24 AM:seems to have been transformed from a sleepy collecting of charming ranches to a hillbilly haven, differing only from Bugtussle, Kentucky in that cheap houses are as readily available as trailers the nuevo-Murrietans came from. Talk about closing borders, Murrieta would still be a nice place if we would have closed our borders in about 1989.

message? wrote on Feb 16, 2007 6:53 AM:ooohhh sending a message. lets guess... these are all angry white men. now their little task force needs to start rounding up the tweekers. they know where they are and are very carefully avoiding it.

Long Time Resident wrote on Feb 16, 2007 6:53 AM:Ahhhh.... Progress! Thank you to all the developers and the people who purchased homes from them, for turning this once peaceful valley, into the "new" Orange County!!!!

Coach wrote on Feb 16, 2007 7:55 AM:Now what's wrong with some boys getting together for some physical fitness activity??

1984? wrote on Feb 16, 2007 7:57 AM:Why is it that this and other rags that are going out of business, can't report real news? What about Mexico pressuring Americaa to imprision the Border Patrol Agents? What about the Catholic Church dba Church of Mexico saying it will house illegals if the goverment continues it's crack down? What about the Muslim in Utah? This is why we have to go to the internet for news and you guys are going out of business.

Sarcastic wrote on Feb 16, 2007 8:23 AM:Sucker punch from behind? Man...they're tough!

Neufusion wrote on Feb 16, 2007 8:29 AM:The first rule of Fight Club is - you do not talk about Fight Club. The second rule of Fight Club is - you DO NOT talk about Fight Club. The third rule of Fight Club is - If someone says "stop" or goes limp, taps out the fight is over. The fourth rule of Fight Club is Only two guys to a fight. --- Looks like these idiots don't know the rules of Fight Club. =]

Tyler Durden says wrote on Feb 16, 2007 8:36 AM:The first rule of Fight Club is - you do not talk about Fight Club. The second rule of Fight Club is - you DO NOT talk about Fight Club.

TuPak wrote on Feb 16, 2007 8:36 AM:Murrieta High really knows how to bring out the best.

Greg in Oceanside wrote on Feb 16, 2007 8:38 AM:I think we all know of those guys we went to high school with, who played on the football team, who didn't go on to college, and who still live at home. And, these same guys seem to hang out together, and cause problems for themselves and get into trouble still thinking they’re the tough guys. It's as if they are going through withdrawal symptoms from going from high school to the real world.

THANK YOU wrote on Feb 16, 2007 9:21 AM:TO ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS: THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR EFFORTS WHICH RESULTED IN THE STOPPING OF THESE CRIMINALS! COMMENDATIONS!!!

Todd wrote on Feb 16, 2007 9:50 AM:Is it any wonder the following phrase passes the lips of adults so often - "Stupid Kids".

Cal wrote on Feb 16, 2007 10:11 AM:Murrieta police have done an excellent job! This is a sign of the times, spoiled brat punks with no fear or respect of authority, probably do not even have authority in their lives. Lets throw the parents in jail for a few days too.

Gang?? Puhleeze wrote on Feb 16, 2007 10:25 AM:Go to Los Angeles county and you'll see REAL gangs. These are punks are posers. White kids don't have gangs.

LoL wrote on Feb 16, 2007 10:48 AM:This whole thing just goes to show how bored the Murrieta Police Department is. First there is no fight club gang, They thought by takin random ppl who have commited crimes they can make a gang out of it. I would like to see factual based information in this article. and what kinda gang fights eachother?!?!? Does ne one know if there blood or crip?!

Suprised wrote on Feb 16, 2007 11:05 AM:I am suprised at all the commentary. The only one that got it right was Thank You, who said Thank you to the police task force. The only other question is how can these type of low life be busted sooner? Stuff like this starts petty and builds up, it needs to be nipped in the bud right away before it gets more common and so out of control that our communities are in serious trouble. Maybe we already are. By the way not all football players or ex jocks are idiots, there are a few bad apples in every bunch, even computer geeks who choose to set up Virouses etc...wreck havoc on our society. Non violent but still a problem. It's a shame these guys were ex football players was there anything else that was common amongst them like low IQ....oh I know Low SELF ESTEEM! HA get a life and earn your self esteem!

Tired of athletes who think they're special wrote on Feb 16, 2007 11:07 AM:Where's their former coaches who taught them such nice manners? NCT is a racist rag which prints only what sells papers!

To Puhleeze wrote on Feb 16, 2007 11:16 AM:What are you talking all gangs member are posers? Do you think gang members are cool?

Osider wrote on Feb 16, 2007 11:32 AM:Oh lets see now, WHITES in fact do have gangs and are not left out of the equation. Most of these kids parents are probably transplants from another state too. Can't blame everything on the brown man can ya!

Steve wrote on Feb 16, 2007 11:49 AM:Scumbags come in all skin colors

What wrote on Feb 16, 2007 12:02 PM:In the mexican mob, if you sucker punch your considered too scared to confront your target, in fear that your weakness will be revealed.

Get real wrote on Feb 16, 2007 12:13 PM:If white kids don't have gangs, what do you call skinheads?

Dee Dee wrote on Feb 16, 2007 12:16 PM:Yes, thank you to all law enforcement. By the way it was the GANG TASK FORCE that nailed them. Read the article, and where were the parents all this time?

One Down wrote on Feb 16, 2007 12:36 PM:More to go.

laura wrote on Feb 16, 2007 1:39 PM:Osider - What an ignorant comment. What do transplants have to do with this? Because I took a transfer here, that makes my children more likely to join a gang? Come on! Bad behavior is not exclusive to any race or geographical location. It's poor parenting.

to Steve wrote on Feb 16, 2007 2:01 PM:I agree with you. I don't discriminate, I hate everyone equally.

wow wrote on Feb 16, 2007 2:14 PM:wow i knew some of these guys.. they seemed like nice peeps

Rill Talk wrote on Feb 16, 2007 2:37 PM:First off, none of you people know any of these young men, and for the ignorant person who assumed that because they are from the suburbs, they MUST be white, you are sadly mistaken. For whoever said “we all knew these kids in high school”, again, sadly mistaken. Attending school with someone and hearing stories about them hardly qualifies for “knowing” that person. These are kids I grew up with, and let me say that I have never once heard any of them refer to themselves as a "gang". They are a diverse (black, white, and brown) group of friends, nothing more. So a few of them happened to commit some crimes, this does not in any way provide justifiable cause to call them a gang just because they hang out and know each other. What started off as a joke and a nickname for a bunch of friends, has been twisted by the media (thanks to ever so fair and unbiased MVPD, gosh, I love you guys) to label these kids as "gang bangers". None of them would call themselves a gang member, and to judge someone without knowing them and to believe everything that is printed is to be the epitome of ignorant and uneducated (despite wherever you got your "degree" from). Also, what the civil servants and media fail to note, is that most of the fights that these young men got into at parties, were because some smart mouthed kid would drop the “n” word and get racial. That constitutes a beating if you ask me. Let me remind you, that this group was multi-ethnic, meaning that they all viewed each other (and everyone for that matter) as people and not as the Mexican kid, or the Black kid or the White kid. When a white or brown kid stands up for his black friend and gets in a fight because his black friend was called a “n-----”, he should be called a egalitarian, not a gang banger. I say this because the fact that these kids are getting gang enhanced charges is preposterous. The MVPD is in every way making sure that the lives of these kids are ruined completely, and that they serve more time than the common sentence for the crimes committed allows. This is not only unfair and absurd, but it is evidence that the law enforcement is god in this land (metaphor, people). They can ultimately decide what happens to a person’s future. I read comments on this page stating “go to L.A., those are real gangs” or “there are no such things as “suburban gangs”. Don’t you people realize that the MVPD knows this too? The MVPD completely understands that this group of young men is not a “gang”, they are simply calling them one to make sure they serve more time. Trust, if this group of kids were from an urban area or inner city, the law enforcement would laugh at the thought of them being a gang. I am not arguing that these individuals are angels, but I am arguing that they should be treated fairly in the court of law, and with the charges at hand (as well as my own experiences with the MVPD and the court system), I feel confident in saying that “innocent until proven guilty” is a fairy tale that should be revised to “guilty until proven innocent”.

what kinda gang fights eachother? wrote on Feb 16, 2007 2:47 PM:A: All of 'em...Initiation involves Initiators beating the crap out of the Initiatee. Crip, Blood, Tree, Bush, Cozanostra, La Eme....who cares what, if any, wider affiliation they claim? Dudes were doing bad things. I am glad the MPD was bored enough to pay attention.

Butler wrote on Feb 16, 2007 3:29 PM:Don't be afraid of admitting your little community may be going bad. You need this type of outlet to find out what people in your community are thinking. Maybe you can use this as an opportunity to come together for the good of the community and the kids that are coming along behind this group of wannabe gangsters.

Neighbor wrote on Feb 16, 2007 3:31 PM:Their is no exception to any skin color, race, ethnicity or nationality. Every one mentioned has had gang problems, Murrieta & Temecula, "the new OC," are no exception.

km wrote on Feb 16, 2007 5:18 PM:the actions of the police force at hand based the actions of these guys on a biased fact they are taking a group of kids who hang out together and calling them a gang makeing crimes that they commited more severe then they are because they live in a small town the cops have nothing better to do then bust kids and charging them more harsh then thye deserve to be. they are good kids that grew up togter and have respect for each other.

a citizen wrote on Feb 16, 2007 5:43 PM:I can't believe that anyone would defend or justify any of this behavior exaggerated or otherwise. Obviously they aren't being productive people. If you are doing what you need to and keeping your nose clean you don't give the police or the newspaper any ammunition to exaggerate.

Californian wrote on Feb 16, 2007 7:33 PM:Can't we all just get along. It's obvious these two cities are no longer gang-free; parents of so called wannabe gangs think that if they move out here, their problems w/b solved. Well, not true. Lets just hope it doesn't get out of hand. I don't care where you go, there will be gangs.

KM! wrote on Feb 16, 2007 8:19 PM:Tell that to the kids who got their heads busted in. Tell that to the clerks that were robbed at gun point! Tell that to the people that had there property lit on fire.

zoe wrote on Feb 16, 2007 8:27 PM:you can run but god knows where you are and he found you guys

sasha wrote on Feb 16, 2007 8:30 PM:well guess what you are not brad pitt and this is not on the big screen.

Shocked wrote on Feb 16, 2007 11:32 PM:I know several of the boys in this situation (some of them since they were in elementary school) and I also know most of the parents. These kids were not the product of uninvolved, detached parents. These kids come from good families. The father of one of the kids who was arrested was one of the coaches for the football team these kids played on. Whenever I interacted with the boys, they were always kind and respectful to me. This situation is sad for all parties involved, and my heart goes out to the families.

A FULL JAIL IS A HAPPY JAIL wrote on Feb 17, 2007 1:05 AM:Good Job Murrieta PD. Book em all!!!

El Roberto wrote on Feb 17, 2007 3:36 AM:I know, lets blame the Mexican illegals. I'll bet they inspired all these posers with their work ethic.

bees wrote on Feb 17, 2007 9:33 AM:One of the victims was a family member. This was a random attack, resulting in a coma,and nearly death.

sis wrote on Feb 17, 2007 9:40 AM:COME ON D.A.DONT LET THEM GET AWAY AGAIN.NEXT TIME THEY WILL KILL SOMEBODY.

louise wrote on Feb 17, 2007 11:43 AM:The people complaining that the police were just "bored" and the charges against these kids are somehow exaggerated are the same types who would go 50mph in a school zone and then accuse the TRAFFIC cop of not having anything better to do, like arresting murderers. The Murrieta-Temecula Regional GANG Task Force knows the legal parameters of what constitutes a gang, and some of these "nice" boys qualify as gang members, some as gang associates, and some won't have any gang-related charges. I'm sure the people who claim to know the kids and their families are shocked at the charges, but I hope they realize that criminals have their "upstanding citizen" faces they put on so outsiders don't know what they and their criminal associates are doing. I know members of the gang task force that investigated these kids and their crimes; they did an excellent job and should be thanked for it. Trust me, if you knew exactly what these suspects are accused of doing (rather than the short descriptions such as burglary, assault, etc.), you would be thankful that you were not one of their many victims and grateful that we have law enforcement officers working 24/7 to keep our streets and our families safer. And to "Rill Talk" (whose comments show an incredible bias against law enforcement)...I agree with you that law enforcement and the courts "can ultimately decide what happens to a person’s future", but only in the sense that they decide what charges to pursue and eventually what sentence a person receives. However, they only have a say in your future if you've broken the law. You decide whether to follow society's laws or not, so ultimately, the only one RESPONSIBLE for your future is YOU!!

KTM wrote on Feb 17, 2007 3:17 PM:BEES - If you haven't notified the police you should. I heard they are still investigating past crimes.

AMA wrote on Feb 17, 2007 11:15 PM:TO EVERYONE WE DON'T CARE IF THESE KIDS HAVE GREAT PARENTS AND THEY WERE ALL SUCH GOOD KIDS.WHO CARES?WE SHOULD ALL ONLY CARE ABOUT THE VICTIMS.WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAY SERVE ALL THE TIME POSSIBLE FOR THERE CRIMES.THEY MADE THERE BED NOW THEY NEED TO LAY IN IT

ryan n wrote on Feb 18, 2007 12:57 AM:i know pretty much all of the kids that got arrested. they should not be charged as a gang, i have talked to them and they didnt call themselves a gang. if there were crimes that were commited they should be held accountable for them. hopefully they straighten up and i pray for the families and what they are going through.

Shocked wrote on Feb 18, 2007 5:10 PM:I only made those comments about the families because people were insinuating that it was the result of bad parenting, and my point is that parents can do everything right and the kids still go bad. I care very much about the victims and knowing most of these boys makes these crimes that much more horrifying. I wasn't disregarding the victims in any way.

Shocked wrote on Feb 18, 2007 5:12 PM:By the way Greg, these boys WERE going to college. Nice try

Slim wrote on Feb 19, 2007 8:40 PM:you guys sound like a bunch of toothless hillbillies... 'book em all' haha... ignorance is bliss i suppose! INNOCENT until PROVEN guily...just remember that, not all "victims" are truthful about WHY and HOW they became "victims"

Hello what do u mean not a gang wrote on Feb 20, 2007 6:36 AM:Group of kids that hung out together, What in the hell do you think a Gang does?

irritated wrote on Feb 20, 2007 8:15 AM:to 'hello'... so when your minor kids go to the movies in a group of 3 or more and smoke behind the theater, guess what? the police says its a gang! this came from the mouth of a detective himself... 3 or more individuals, who 'frequent' each other (meaning they hang out on a regular, not everyday basis) who engage in illegal activity...

murr-towns finest wrote on Feb 20, 2007 7:14 PM:good point irritated hello needs to know the facts

listen wrote on Feb 20, 2007 7:26 PM:to anyone other then rill talk you need to re-evaluate what you are writing on here. to anyone who has never met these kids just shut your mouth, your opinion is neither cared for or respected. and to the people that blame it on the parents, i would dare you to confront one of them and see if you can say this stuff to their face. you would be shocked that most if not all of them are far more intelligent then you are and im also wondering are you guys even parents and if so are you kids the type that sit in the house all day because their parents are too scared to let them go outside. i mean the streets are just covered in gangs. and to the victims. some of you know you deserved the beating you got either because you let your mouth run for far too long and you couldnt figure out when to stop talking, some people need to be shut up, and if it takes a stomping then thats what it takes. so let the scars you may have be a lesson learned. these men are not saints and a few of them no doubt took it too far, and deserve the sentence they'll recieve, but a few of them didnt and leave it to Murrieta PD to take it to a whole nother level.

lil mes. wrote on Feb 20, 2007 11:28 PM:couldnt put it better listen got it exactly right on.

Hello wrote on Feb 21, 2007 5:58 AM:To irritated, how do you think gangs where created? It had to be a few kids hanging out getting into trouble. Then eventually more kids joined their "Gang" and they got into more trouble. The truth may hurt but you will have to deal with it. These kids where a gang and if the MPD didn't put an end to it would have just gotten worse.

Irritated wrote on Feb 21, 2007 8:09 AM:to Hello... HAHA.. these kids were not in a gang! I KNOW THEM!!! they were just a group of friends. Yes they (allegedly) commited crimes but not as a member of a gang! if they are found guilty then they should serve their time, but the charge of Participation in a Criminal street Gang is RIDICULOUS!!!! There are OTHER more violent and dangerous gangs in murrieta... anyone been to the Mobil station auto shop on Cal oaks lately? you'll find a lot of them there

Hello wrote on Feb 21, 2007 11:22 AM:If they where committing these crimes as a group then they are a gang, oh wait a CLUB.

disgusted wrote on Feb 21, 2007 4:11 PM:To Listen: How in the world would you think that some people "deserve" a beating. With an attitude like that, its no wonder these kids did what they did. Maybe their parents had the same lame, ignorant views like yourself. Or maybe you ARE one of these parents....

HARLEY wrote on Feb 21, 2007 6:25 PM:APPLAUSE TO DISGUSTED.I AGREE NO ONE DESERVES TO ALMOST BE KILLED.TO LISTEN I CAN'T BELIVE YOU HAVE THE NERVE TO SAY ANYONE IN ANY WAY WOULD DESERVE TO BE BEATEN ALL AT ONCE BY 12-15 GUYS.COME ON WAKE UP.YOU ARE ONE IGNORANT PERSON AND I'D LOVE TO TELL YOU TO YOUR FACE.

Hello wrote on Feb 22, 2007 10:01 AM:15 kids hanging out and do crimes and your still in denial about it being a gang? Wake up and smell the Garbage thes kids became!

right on disgusted!! wrote on Feb 27, 2007 8:41 AM:you hit that right on the head, digusted! talk about IGNORANT and UNEDUCATED! Let's all hope "listen" doesn't have children! They'd be little bullies the minute they were born!

blaahhhh wrote on Feb 27, 2007 8:27 PM:to 'right on discusted' have you EVER been in a fight? some people deserve it. If you call someone a ni--- to their face around a group of his friends, you would be STUPID STUPID STUPID to not expect a beating... most of the people these guys allegedly beat up, Deserved it!

to blaahhhh wrote on Mar 9, 2007 10:02 AM:you could be a witness for the prosecution with a remark like that maybe you were there?

Lets get real wrote on Jun 10, 2007 12:24 PM:If these individuals committed assault, burglary, vandalism, and ARMED robbery and 20 crimes can be connected to members of this "group", well then, I'm sorry to all those who feel differently, but they can be considered a "gang". A gang is technically considered a group or band of youngsters who associate closely for social reasons. For those groups who are NON-VIOLENT, society tends to call them "cliques" or "clubs", and reserve "gangs" for those groups that promotes violence, fear, intimidation, and criminal activities. It seems to me that these boys have done just that, and therefore, are justifiably labeled gang members by the authorities. For heavens sake, they even have caps and dog tags made with the initials "FC" which stands for "Fight Club". That's a form of intimidation and it's no different than the red and blue bandannas worn by Bloods and Crypts. To set the record straight, you don't have to consider yourself a gang in order to technically be a gang. It's the actions of the group that signifies whether your group is a gang. Living where I live which is Brooklyn, NY, I have personally known both gang members and straight up criminals, and some seem to be really decent people. So, the repetitive statements I've read that "these are nice boys", and such, don't make sense. I'm sorry, but "nice boys", don't vandalize property and commit armed robbery. Maybe they were "nice boys", but they're not anymore. Most of these people are not going to broadcast their criminal activities because that wouldn't be a smart thing to do, although ironically, becoming a criminal isn't smart in itself. This gang may not be as long-running and may not have committed as many crimes as infamous gangs have, but this does not mean they should be exempt from being labeled a gang. And as far as I'm concerned, certain community members are doing these boys an injustice by dumbing-down what they are and what they have done. I am a parent. If any of my children ever did what these boys did, I would tell them in a heart beat that they are members of a VIOLENT gang, and If the cops don't lock their a**es up, I certainly would. Maybe that's what the family and friends of these boys need to do instead of trying to justify their actions.

Antony wrote on Dec 30, 2007 1:23 PM:Lift imitating art...