Don't send the wrong message to troops
By: DUNCAN HUNTER - Commentary | ∞
Rep. Duncan Hunter
Editor's note: Rep. Hunter gave the following statement on the floor of the House of Representatives on Tuesday, Feb. 13.
Mr. Speaker, this resolution by the Democrat leadership sends a message to three parties: America's enemies, America's friends and America's troops. And I think it is going to be received by friend and foe alike as the first sound of retreat in the world battle against extremists and terrorists.
Mr. Speaker, we are not stopping anything with this resolution. In fact, the Big Red One is already moving its first brigade toward Iraq; the 82nd Airborne, America's all-American division, is already in Iraq. In fact, the Second Brigade is already in their sector in Baghdad. As a matter of fact, in the Baghdad plan, which reinforcements are serving, all nine sectors now have American and Iraqi forces in place and operating.
So you are not stopping anything ---- you are simply sending a message, and it is the wrong message. Because this nation has been for the last 60 years involved in spreading freedom, and it is in America's interest to spread freedom. Nobody would say that it is in our interest or it is not in our interest, for example, to have a free Japan on that side of the Pacific, or to have a free El Salvador in our own hemisphere, or to have those nations that were behind the Iron Curtain, nations like Poland, now standing side by side with us in Iraq. It is in our interest to spread freedom.
Mr. Speaker, I have been here before. A lot of us have. I remember in the 1980s, when Ronald Reagan was standing up to the Russians in Europe and the USSR was ringing our allies in France and Germany with SS-20 missiles, and the President of the United States moved to offset those missiles with Pershing IIs and ground-launched cruise missiles, and you had from the left a call that this was going to start World War III. And you had pundits throughout this country ---- as a matter of fact, somebody showed me an old headline the other day, "Better Red Than Dead" ---- who emanated from that debate and that action.
But we stood tough, we offset the Russians, we showed strength and at some point the Russians picked up the phone and said, "Can we talk?" And when we talked, we talked about the disassembly of the Soviet Empire.
In our own hemisphere, when we went in and helped that fragile government in El Salvador and stood up a little shield around that government, we had people saying that is going to be the next Vietnam for the United States. Well, it wasn't a Vietnam for the United States, and Salvadorans are standing with Americans now in Iraq. In fact, I think we have people who died of old age waiting anxiously for the next Vietnam.
Now we are in a different part of the world, and it is a tough mission, and moving freedom and spreading freedom in that part of the world is very, very difficult. And I would just say to my colleagues, my friends who have talked about the smooth road not taken, how we have made mistakes; if we just kept that Iraqi in place of Saddam Hussein's, somehow things would be better now. Saddam Hussein's army had 11,000 Sunni generals. Now, what are you going to do with an army with 11,000 Sunni generals whose mission is to stabilize a population that is in the majority Shiite?
A lot of people have said we should have had 200,000 to 300,000 troops in country. Now at the same time they would say we have got to put an Iraqi face on this occupation. How do you put an Iraqi face on the occupation with 200,000 or 300,000 Americans in country?
The facts are, there is no smooth road. This is a tough and difficult road. Our military planners have come up with a strategy. It involves nine sectors in Baghdad with Iraqi troops to the front and with backup American battalions behind them, mentoring them, giving them advice, and in many cases stiffening their spine.
Now, there is no guarantee of success. But this is a first time. I think we should check our history, and my friend, Mr. Skelton, I think you should check our history and see if this Congress has ever ---- after a military operation is already in place, is already moving forward, the Big Red One is already moving out, the all-American division, the 82nd Airborne already has troops in place in combat, in the city ---- that we retroactively say, you know, we don't support this. The only message that can possibly send to the rest of the world is a fractured message.
Mr. Speaker, I just want to end with a comment, with a quotation from Douglas MacArthur in his farewell speech at West Point. I thought it was appropriate for these times. He talks about the American soldier, and he says this: "Their story is known to all of you. It is the story of the American man at arms. My estimate of him was formed on the battlefields many, many years ago, and has never changed. I regarded him then, as I regard him now, as one of the world's noblest figures; not only as one of the finest military characters, but also as one of the most stainless.
"His name and fame are the birthright of every American citizen. In his youth and strength, his love and loyalty, he gave all that mortality can give. He needs no eulogy from me, or from any other man. He has written his own history and written it in red on his enemy's breast."
Mr. Speaker, our soldiers are engaged in combat right now. The worst disservice that we can give to them is to retroactively blast and degrade the mission that they are currently undertaking. There is no good role, there is no good purpose that is served by this.
So I would ask all my colleagues, let us get behind not only our troops, let us get behind their mission. Let us vote "no" on this resolution.
Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-El Cajon, represents the 52nd Congressional District, which includes portions of Poway, Rancho Bernardo and Ramona. Hunter is a candidate for the Republican nomination for President.
Text of the Democratic resolution expressing disapproval of President Bush's troop increase in Iraq that the House debated last week:
Resolved by the House of Representatives (the Senate concurring), that ----
(1) Congress and the American people will continue to support and protect the members of the United States Armed Forces who are serving or who have served bravely and honorably in Iraq; and
(2) Congress disapproves of the decision of President George W. Bush announced on Jan. 10, 2007, to deploy more than 20,000 additional United States combat troops to Iraq.
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Bottom Line: wrote on Feb 17, 2007 9:10 PM:This is just the latest in Bush's troop "surges" in Iraq, all of which have failed miserably to accomplish anything but more killing and mayhem on all sides. Isn't it the classic definition of insanity to continue doing the same thing expecting a diffent result? Duncan Hunter is nothing more another corrupt Republican rubber stamp acting out the White House memos directed to Republicans in Congress telling them what to say and how to say it. My child's small toenail has more integrity and conscience than Duncan Hunter has in his entire being. The whole bunch of them should be brough up on treason charges.
Virginian wrote on Feb 18, 2007 12:10 AM:Hunter is living in a John Wayne movie from the forties. The Iraq fiasco was born of an adventurism that bilked the public and gave no-bid contracts to cronys. We squandered the worlds goodwill that flowed our way after 9/11. This administration has botched things up so badly that one might think its intentional. Hunters rhetoric about supporting our troops sounds cruel coming from those who have put them in harms way by fabricating and slanting intelligence. Through Bushs company, the Carlyle Group, George makes money for every bullet fired and every bomb dropped. Then Cheney, through Halliburton (in which he still owns 167,000 shares of stock), makes money on every rebuilding project in Iraq. They're in no hurry to call it off.
Randy wrote on Feb 18, 2007 6:40 AM:Iraq is in the midst of a Civil War, just like the American Civil War. Duncan Hunter knows that we have no dog in this fight, but he is nothing more than a lap dog for the Bush administration!
Donut wrote on Feb 18, 2007 8:10 AM:Hey Duncan! Donut send more troops to Iraq. Bring the troops there back. There mission was accomplished. Saddam is gone. Get to work with the diplomats instead of the defense contractors and fix the mess you made - but don't send more innocent American's to be killed for your folly. Policing the Iraqi civil war is NOT our job.
It's real simple wrote on Feb 18, 2007 8:30 AM:Sending over 20,000 more ducks to sit isn't a plan. The Generals asked for 400,000 people, we gave them half that. Time to Pony up the other couple of hundred thousand soldiers and fix this mess, or leave the mess and let the Iraqi's deal with it. 2 choices here. My choice would be to draft all college bound young adults and send a couple hundred thousand more troops. We need them from Harvard and Yale, only the best and brightest to fix this mess. When all of America has a dog in this fight, then all of America will open their eyes to this mess, and they will start thinking for themselves instead of repeating buzz phrases like - if we don't fight them over there, they will be over here. Think about it, will killing a good percentage of a population (insert a family members name here, to put you in their shoes) make more enemies or less? We have alot more enemies now than we did before George Bush took office. Now we'll have to fight the enemy over here eventually. Thanks King George, keep causing people to "Bring it on" by killing their innocent families with Collateral Damage, then label them a terrorist for their revengeful thinking. If King George killed my family, I would look at it as intentional and not as Collateral Damage, I'm sure most would.
JS wrote on Feb 18, 2007 3:56 PM:As many people in our nation, Mr. Hunter does not understand that our soldiers do what WE TELL THEM TO DO! The excuse that this hurts their morale is not only unsupportable by any evidence (I think most want to come home) but frankly, is none of their business. Those that want to express disatisfaction can write a letter (like this one) or express themselves with their vote. They have no special "say" on this issue and the officer corps, by law, none at all. This is just an attempt to tie the alleged troop morale to the policy itself, a common trick of the Right. Unfortunately it works with many people. We are not helping them (or ourselves) by keeping them there. As for the alleged "mission": What exactly is the "mission"? Bush said it was "accomplished" a few years ago. As I recall the rationale was to look for WMD's, because Saddam was not allowing the UN to inspect everywhere. Well, that's been accomplished, no WMD's found. Was the "mission" to topple Saddam Hussein? Again, mission accomplished. I think the only reason we are still there and the reason you continue to support it is because you (Mr. Hunter) are owned by the defense industry and other capitalists that are stealing from our treasury! Your campaign motto should be "What's good for General Bullmoose is good for the USA!"
Hal wrote on Feb 18, 2007 5:48 PM:Duncan, You forgot to add one more line to your defense of the troop surge in Iraq. "That all good Americans, especally the Bush girls should come to the aid of their country and go to Iraq to serve". A few in Congress have sons and daughters that have served, but most at the top are more draft dodgers from the past then true American patriots. Once you old political hawks feel some of the pain from losing some of your own, will you understand those that have lost so much from your folly, you will then understand why so many people are so disgusted with the mess you have made of our country. Maybe then you will want this folly to end.
I cannot believe wrote on Feb 18, 2007 10:47 PM:Duncan Hunter wants to be President. God help us. I agree he is a dino from an ancient age. We were lied to in order to get us into this mess and still Hunter and Bush/Chenney want to spill more of our young soldiers and Marines blood in Iraq. What is worse is that I really think his sudden interest in Iran is a diversion to make us so worried about the next war that we neglect this rotten war Bush got us into. I think we are there because he couldn't live with his sublimated anger toward his father for not marching into Bahgdad to capture Saddam. This ex alcoholic President who never went to war is willing to kill the flower of our American youth to show his dad up. He needs a shrink and we need the Congress to stand up and get us out of there and I am a Republican.
Support Our Oops wrote on Feb 19, 2007 3:29 AM:This is the first Comments section on any article in the NCT that I've seen where all 8 out of 8 responses are from obviously sane, informed citizens who see clearly what a sick joke Duncan Hunter is. Most such sections are infested with about 80%-90% right-wing wackos who get their "news" from either the KKK, the Bible or Rush Limbaugh.
Al wrote on Feb 19, 2007 5:20 AM:Duncan Hunter is absolutely correct. The Democrats and their left-wing supporters are "cut and run" cowards. The Democrats share the responsibility for this war but they don't have the "guts" to admit it. God forbid that one of these left-wing, radical Democrats ever become POTUS.
Mike wrote on Feb 19, 2007 6:22 AM:My the Lord protect the USA from the socialist and there allies in the Democrat party. May freedom rain throughout the world ending all socialism and communism.
Frank wrote on Feb 19, 2007 6:23 AM:I can see the appeasers are are alive and well on this thread...bottomline the "Non-binding" House Resolution ushered in by the Domocrats favors the terrorists and emboldens our enemies. Use a little critical reasoning. What do you think the US troops feel like when they are "stabbed in the back" with this resolution...and what do you think Al Queda and their ilk feel when they see such a capitulationg surrender document. Are they encouraged? Of course they are. In one respect the Global War on Terror is like the Vietnam War in that the Democrats again choose to give comfort and aid to the enemy while stabbing US troops in the field in the back.
Roger wrote on Feb 19, 2007 6:48 AM:Mr. Hunter, Thank you for having the courage to speak out. In this day and age, when it is very popoular to espouse the "cut and run" philosophy, you have had the courage to describe your convictions and to voice your reservations for a policy that the US will surely regret in the future. The war in Iraq will continue whether we are there or not. I was not in favor of the war to begin with, but now that we are in it, I believe we should do all we can to help stabilize the situation, and turning our backs on it will serve no good purpose, except to embolden the terrorists.
Old Soldier wrote on Feb 19, 2007 7:28 AM:I believe that all of those heros buried in Arlington National Cemetary, and other hallowed ground acrosss this nation and around the world, must be cringing at the realization that America is now run by cowards. Not only is the Democrat party by and large cowards, they are also treasonous in that they are actively working to emascualte our forces in combat in an effort to bring about a defeat for their own country. Maybe the democrat party should now be know as the Benedict Arnold Party -- except that most probably don't know Arnold's history.
Ray wrote on Feb 19, 2007 7:30 AM:Thank god Mr. Duncan has no change in the presidency run because this guy would take us further into Mr. Bush's path. I am tired of you politicina using the patriotic theme for your own intentions!
Ray wrote on Feb 19, 2007 7:32 AM:At what cost Mr. Duncan? make a balance of the loses and the results....
diane wrote on Feb 19, 2007 7:48 AM:Duncan Hunter has more courage in his little finger than most of his fellow house members and also understands the nature of the enmey we are fighting.
Richard wrote on Feb 19, 2007 8:08 AM:Let's see now, How many generals did Abraham Lincoln dismiss before he found one who would accomplish his goals? If anything George Bush just late in doing it.
k2 wrote on Feb 19, 2007 8:52 AM:Soldiers are intelligent human beings. It is cruel and demeaning to lie to them that they are fighting for "freedom", unless perhaps you measure freedom by defense contractor profit margins. Let the solidiers know that this war is a sick catastrophe and they don't deserve to be in harms way unnecessarily. Bring em home now!
Quitters wrote on Feb 19, 2007 8:59 AM:Most of you don't have a clue what it means to live in constant fear for your life, or the life of those you love. Terrorists are bullies and if any of you have tried to reason with one you know that it is impossible. The only way to deal with bullies is to TAKE away their power, that's when you find that they are actually cowards. We need to finish what we started and not be a country full of quitters. This isn't "Right Wing" it is just the right thing to do. It is so easy for you all to sit here behind your computer and rant on about how much you hate this war, but thousands of people were murdered by these fanatics and they must be stopped. If one of your family was in the twin towers when they fell you might feel differently. No one likes war but the best way for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing, sometimes we must make a stand for what is right though it may not be popular. If you can stand by and watch innocent men, women, and children be murdered you have no conscience. Take the tough stand, take the higher road and when you find yourself in a hopeless situation, pray that there will be someone willing to come to your aid.
Now you've done it! wrote on Feb 19, 2007 10:07 AM:Yo, Support Our Oops - you just stirred up the cockroaches - a handful of the Rush Limbaugh-endless-tapeloop swarm has crawled out from under their ignorant rocks. Those who don't know that the only one to "cut and run" was their beloved Shrub, who cut and ran away from the real war on terror in Afghanistan after letting Bin Laden go free, and then rushed headlong down the rabbit-hole of Iraq on the basis of a vile and treasonous pack of lies on behalf of the ideologically insane PNAC and their buddies in the oil companies and other war profiteering corporations - yeah, that guy - the one who put the mess in Messopotamia.
Frank wrote on Feb 19, 2007 10:38 AM:Soldiers are "intelligent human beings" and that is why they volunteered to go in to serve this great country. My son is preparing to deploy and his words are " I'm fighting this so my daughter doesn't have to face it"...again a little critical thinking and just a touch of support for the troops from the Democrats would be appreciated...but then again they are consistent...they ALWAYS side with our enemies...
Richard+ wrote on Feb 19, 2007 10:38 AM:And Mr. Hunter's contribution to the catastrophe formerly known as Iraq? Just before the Nov. election he eliminated funding for the SIG office in Iraq (Special Inspector General). You know, the people investigating all the money lost or stolen or defrauded from us. Now what message does that send? While our troops still suffer due to insufficient armor, let alone being in the middle of someone else's uncivil war, his concern was to protect his corporate contributors. He has so little credibility that after the election, Congress (still Republican-led) immediately took the time to undo his mischief and restored funding. All he accomplished was to waste everybody's time.
I See Pod People wrote on Feb 19, 2007 10:58 AM:Stop gloating, Support Our Oops. You just brought out the Pod People.
To Now you've done it! wrote on Feb 19, 2007 12:46 PM:You have described yourself very well. Do you know what terrorists do to "cockroaches"? They smash them as they run to hide.
To "I See Pod People" wrote on Feb 19, 2007 2:47 PM:Talk about telling it like it is. You're cracking me up (wiping my coffee off the computer screen)!!!
This thread WAS wrote on Feb 19, 2007 3:01 PM:rational. It was nice to read, then the wingnuts showed up. I skip through them with a blah, blah, blah. I do love how the enjoy saying that we Democrats don't support the troops. I get a good laugh from that one especially since these mindless wonders who 'think' (term used loosely here) that way don't even know me or the fact that I've got friends who are Marines who have been there several times, and family members who are in other branches who have been there several times. Don't you dare tell me I don't support the troops when my family as well as other Democratic families are sacrificing its members unlike the Bush/Chaney crime family. Even the Queen of England's family is sending it's members, yet those who are advocates/architects for this huge mistake only go visit from time to time. Must be nice.
John wrote on Feb 20, 2007 3:46 AM:Remember the Exodus from Vietnam? People climbing roofs to get on the last Helo out?The thousands of people fleeing and winding up on our shores needing support?The rich criminal element bring suitcases of money with them.Wait till the Democrats cut and run from Iraq,Its going to be a real picnic,watch the real slaughter begin.
Old Soldier, You are SPOT ON!... wrote on Feb 20, 2007 9:32 AM:The Democrats are Cowards and Turncoats against the American Flag and EVERYTHING the Flag Stands For! Shame on the Donkeys!
Political warfare wrote on Feb 20, 2007 10:34 AM:That's what the Pod People are waging. They don't care one whit for democracy or the rule of law or for our commitments to international treaties. They just reflexively spew partisan hatred, lies, smears and stupidity, and have the unmitigated gall to pretend to wrap themselves in our flag as they do it. They not only soil our flag, but everything it has always stood for.
Other John wrote on Feb 20, 2007 12:12 PM:Yes - I remember Vietnam. We left and and they did OK in the long run. Now we are trading with them and I know of at least one San Diego company opening a facility in Vietnam this year. Time tolet the Iraqis sort things out too.
esteban wrote on Feb 20, 2007 12:17 PM:I belive most democrats are complete and utter cowards. If you want to see the destruction of the USA and its citizens...vote Democrat. It's either US or THEM, I prefer it to be them.
Neocon cut-ups wrote on Feb 20, 2007 12:22 PM:The republican version of CUT and RUN has already been played out. First they CUT taxes, CUT funding, CUT the military size, CUT our throats by sending too few troops - too little, to late. Then they RUN the Armed Forces ragged by opening a new front in Iraq while were are going after Bin Laden. They have RUN our troops into the ground in Iraq while the terrorists gloat at us from Afghanistan. Guys like Hunter have made us the hunted. Republican CUT & RUN - who needs it?
Answering "Neocon" wrote on Feb 20, 2007 2:00 PM:Whoa! It was Clinton - a Democrat - who cut the military!!! Get your history straight, there, Sparky!
Kristie wrote on Feb 20, 2007 3:16 PM:I wasn't for this war to begin with but now that we are in this and have come so far I'm with Congressman Hunter. We need to finish this and send a message to the rest of the world. No to cut and running. All we hear in the news is the negative news. There is much more positive also. Start asking to hear how many areas in Iraq are actually thriving already.
Vietnam Veteran wrote on Feb 20, 2007 5:56 PM:At least Mr. Hunter is standing up for the military. Take the cuffs off of these guys and let them kick some serious butt. This is the same type of garbage that the democrats did to my generation in Vietnam. I used to be a Democrat but I swear that I will never support another as long as I live. They are led by the biggest bunch of left wing losers that I have ever seen. They are ashamed to be from a successful country. No wonder they like illegal aliens so much.
Sparky wrote on Feb 20, 2007 6:13 PM:Yes history buff, Clinton started the military cuts. Rumsfeld under Bush2 followed suit and kept the Army lean and mean. The difference is that Clinton didn't start a war while downsizing. Bush started a war, cut taxes, and until now (4 years into a hole) has not seen fit to increase the size of our forces. Go figure.
Mary wrote on Feb 20, 2007 7:29 PM:You know, the military is now all-voluntary. I am beginning to hear from some military that they are getting discouraged with how the Democrats are basically letting them hang out to dry. Who wants to join the military if the politicians are going to treat you like caa-caa? If the Demoncrats are successful with their cut-and-run strategy, and their subsequent morale damaging actions, how many people will even want to sign up to join the military in the future? A side effect of the Democrats' cowardly actions may be that the U.S. may have to bring back the draft. Especially when we will probably be fighting terrorists on U.S. ground then. The terrorists aren't going to stop trying to kill Americans just because we leave Iraq. They will just see us as losers with no stomach for fighting just like Osama predicted. Man, I'm glad I'm an old chick.
To Answering wrote on Feb 20, 2007 8:51 PM:Obviously you the closest you got to military service is being a "Screen Beret" on your computer, because if you had been serving during those days, you would know it was a Republican Administration (Daddy Bush) that was the driving force in cuts to the military.
Rogone wrote on Feb 20, 2007 8:52 PM:all of you peacenicks make me ill. Maybe you want to be in a country that speaks a language that is not English. Maybe you should have paid more attention to World History, If it was not for the American soldier freeing Europe you would not be speaking English, but more then likely German or Japanese. It takes time to win a war, or battle, How long did it take to free the world from the threat of Russia. Why are troops still, in Greece, Turkey, England, Italy, England. They have been there for over 65 years. How do I know I was born in 1940 and my father went to war in 1942, and lost his leg. I served my country for 22 years in Germany, Italy and England. I served as a Cryptogist, (I broke Codes) I held a Top Secret NATO, Atomal Security Clearance. I know why we are still in Europe, In case you cant figure it out I will Tell you PEACE. Without our presence Peace would be gone. That is why we are in Iraq. Too protect our peace here in the United States and Europe. Have you read the Koran, I have. They are our enemy. They want us dead. Wake up and see reality instead of living in a world where you are blinded. Ask any Vietnam living here in this country. They feel and know that we betrayed them. Because of people like you and you infamous Jane (Hanoi) Fonda
Taps wrote on Feb 21, 2007 11:12 AM:Blair Announces Iraq Withdrawal Plan. It's all over folks. Bring our troops home. Better to cut and run than waffle and wait around.
To Sparky wrote on Feb 21, 2007 12:25 PM:You should check YOUR history, we didn't start the war, the terrorists whom Saddam was giving aid too did, when they attcked our country and murdered thousands of innocent people. Are you and your weak-kneed pals ready to just right those VICTIMS off as "Collateral" damage. When we do that, we don't deserve to be free, and we won't be, because we will be living in fear.
SecureTheBorders wrote on Feb 21, 2007 1:10 PM:I don't just mean OUR borders. I mean Iraq's borders. The flow of weapons and terrorists between Iraq and Syria and Iraq and Iran has enabled this war to drag on for years. Duncan, you support securing America's borders, but you have failed to convince Bush to secure our own borders, let alone Iraq's. I say we refuse to send another soldier to die in Iraq as long as their Commander In Chief fails to recognize the problem.
Sparky wrote on Feb 21, 2007 1:34 PM:Wrong again dude. Saddam had no connection to the terrorists that pulled off 9-11. You - like Bush who started the war in Iraq - are barking up the wrong tree.
To Sparky wrote on Feb 21, 2007 3:43 PM:We also warned Saddam to let us inspect for WMD's which he refused to do. All the world needed was to have a madman and a murderer to have access to chemical and nuclear weapons. The world has a short memory.
Sparky wrote on Feb 21, 2007 4:45 PM:Sorry- No WMD's in Iraq, or have you forgotten that small detail. No WMD's. No 9-11 connection. You want to go for strike 3? I'm sorry the reasons you have given in this forum for going to war are false. Even Bush has admitted it. It's not a secret anymore. All the BS aside, I think we should clear out and let the Iraqis recover from their date with democracy - just like the Vietnamese did. Cheers.
Interesting wrote on Feb 21, 2007 4:47 PM:That now there is talk about (saw this on Red Eye, Fox News) hiring Saddam's Generals (Baath Party) to help fight this war. Isn't that kinda like hiring the SS to fight for us during WWII?
USMC wrote on Feb 21, 2007 10:36 PM:This war has been incompotently managed. Bring our troops home out of harms way and yes I'm a U.S. Marine.
Yes, Hunter wrote on Feb 22, 2007 9:59 AM:Don't send the wrong message to our troops, just send them to their death or horrible injuries. Impeach Bush and Cheney, the biggest warmonger, chicken hawks in our history.
To naive Sparky wrote on Feb 22, 2007 2:58 PM:WMD's were used by Saddam on the Kurds long before 9-11. His top nuclear scientist testified to the program that he was working on. Most of the products of these programs were evacuated or disassembled. What will it take to convince you that there are really people out there that would take out your a-- and your family without a second thought? I hope you do not ever get into a position of authority in any capacity anywhere.
for truth wrote on Feb 22, 2007 3:13 PM:We did have weapons inspectors in Iraq. Bush pulled them out when he decided, he is the decider!!, to start this tragic war.
WOW!! wrote on Feb 22, 2007 3:18 PM:Duncan Hunter wants to be President. Can you imagine a Bush clone taking us into more chaos and danger.
Hey All wrote on Feb 22, 2007 3:29 PM:The Democrats have more Vietnam and Iraq Veterans serving in Congress than do the Republicans. Bush, Cheney, Libby, Rumsfield, Pearl, Wolfowitz, and other warmongers never served in a war when it was their turn.
to quitter, wrote on Feb 22, 2007 3:37 PM:I believe all the neocons kids, the Bush twins, the warmongers in the Congress, the Senators kids, plus their nieces, nephews, grand kids should go to the troops aid. When that happens I will believe that they really believe this is a noble war.
Yesac wrote on Feb 22, 2007 6:26 PM:For you liberal, self serving Democrats out there spewing your hatred for leaders like Duncan and President Bush, let me remind you that it was President Clinton who had the opportunity to have Osama Bin Laden handed over to us by the Sudanese government, but declined their offer. Because of that Democratic blunder thousands of innocent American workers were killed on 911. Do any of you remember the feeling that you had that day watching the Twin Towers collapse? There is progress being made in Iraq, but our liberal media only wants to show the bad side of this war. You liberal cowards will flip flop again the next time "terrorists" stike this great country of ours, built and defended by men of courage. The new symbol of the Democratic party should be the "OSTRICH." Bury your heads in the sand and hope that terrorism will just go away.
warvet wrote on Feb 22, 2007 7:46 PM:You guys are a trip. You're completely ignoring who Duncan Hunter really is. Sure he supports our troops in Iraq, but that is not his only strong points. Will you completely dismiss a man simply because he stands his ground and supports his convictions through action? What do you really know about Duncan Hunter other than the fact that he is actively supporting our troops in the field? I encourage each of you to do your homework and see where Duncan Hunter stand on all the issues before dismissing him like yesterdays newspaper. After doing a little research, I'm sure most of you will come to realize that Duncan Hunter is the man we need leading this country. He's no BUSH!!!! Furthermore, from what I understand, Rep. Hunter's son has served two tours in Iraq and Duncan Hunter himself is a decorated combat soldier. Before you condemn a man based on his position, perhaps you should walk a mile in his shoes. If Hunter makes it through the primaries, I will vote on him in 2008. As a war veteran myself, I know exactly where he's coming from. For the record, Iraq is not my #1 issue, illegal immigration and border security is.
Haven't you heard? wrote on Feb 22, 2007 10:15 PM:Iraq and Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11. He was no threat to us. Bush promised to get Osama bin Laden dead or alive, first lie. He ordered the main force into Iraq, and Osama got away. After Iraq my main concern is illegal aliens breaking into our Country. Bush and both Republican houses of Congress have been in control for six years, they let this massive invasion happen. That's a fact.
Brother Damien wrote on Feb 23, 2007 4:04 AM:The message "we" are sending our troops, Mr. Hunter, is that "we" simply do not care about them. The troops see first hand that this preemptive war against the people of Iraq for control of their oil and continued presence in the Middle East has been lost (for many, this was obvious from the first Gulf War). Since Mr. Hunter is obviously part of the imperialist's surge toward world domination, he can don his old uniform and join his son in this, or the next (Iran)debauchery debacle. Onward 'christian' soldier...
Sparky wrote on Feb 23, 2007 8:55 AM:There you go again. The US tacitly backed Saddam during the years he gassed the Kurds. We just looked the other way while he was warring with the Ayatolahs of Iran. Now it's an old excuse to cover the real reasons we invaded. (Well, at least he USED to have WMD's!!) The arguments for this war are looking like Swiss cheese and smelling like Limburger. What kind of message do these bogus excuses send our troops? I know they are all loyal soldiers - but do you think they are all stupid too?
Back at Yesac wrote on Feb 23, 2007 9:13 AM:And for you self-serving, conservative republicans spewing hate against your fellow Americans... Me thinks tis you who have your head buried in the sand. The sands of a desert disaster. America needs to pull it's collective head out of that sand, troops and all. To leave them buried in this gritty, quicksand of a quagmire is a great dissservice to all.
AW4cryinoutloud wrote on Feb 24, 2007 10:19 PM:I would like to ask "Support Our Oops" one question. First I want him to know that I was 'born' a Democrat. For years I accepted, as gospel, everything I read in the news media and everything I heard on television from this news media. When Reagan ran for President I thought it was silly because, after all, he was just an actor. But then I did something different. I "listened" to what he had to say. I agreed with his ideas and I loved the man's soul. I became a Republican. NOW! I listen to Rush Limbaugh, I read passages from the Bible every now and then, I watch FOX news every now and then. BUT! I also watch CNN and MSNBC. Guess why "Oops"? Because I like to hear all sides of an issue. I do not get my news from the KKK!!! THAT is one of the silliest and most insulting comments I've heard lately. SO; Am I to understand that you are so cottonpickin' narrowminded and ignorant that you have to call me a "right-wing wacko? Am I to understand that you are so ignorant that you presume to accuse me of getting my news from the KKK? I wasn't aware they had a newspaper. Am I to understand that you are REALLY ignorant if you think I, or anyone else, gets their news from the Bible? I thought the Bible had been written quite a few years ago. Does it have a news publication now? Hadn't heard about it. And last; are you so ignorant as to expect anyone to not listen to Rush Limbaugh, as well as many other talk show hosts or journalists? One would think you'd consider a well-rounded knowledge a good thing. It helps one to remain informed and better able to make educated decisions. If I refrained from everything you don't sanction...then you wouldn't be alone in your ignorance would you? Thank goodness I can't share that attribute with you.
Yesac wrote on Feb 25, 2007 10:40 PM:AW4cryinoutloud, I stand and applaud you; that was a brilliant rebuttal to another "drugged out," welfare using, bible hating, moron calling themselves a Democrat. It is amazing how many people believe they truely know what these fools they follow believe in.
"Well-rounded"??? wrote on Feb 26, 2007 10:58 AM:AW4 thinks he's getting "a well-rounded knowledge" from Rush Limbaugh, FOX, CNN, and MSNBC (the corporate whore media) all of which, with the exception of a maverick named Keith Olbermann on MSNBC, are stooges for the Bush administration, and nothing more than propaganda outlets for Karl Rove's daily "talking points". They do NOT report the "news". They are propaganda organs not unlike Pravda in the old Soviet Union. AW4 claims he "likes to hear all sides of an issue" yet limits his exposure to that crap. Until he gives his eyes and ears at least equal time to Air America (the *only* talk-radio show without a right-wing slant), Keith Olbermann, and progressive internet sites he's been conditioned to only label "far left", he will not only remain brainwashed, but also humorless (he can't even see that the references to the KKK and the Bible as "news sources" was an obvious joke by Support Our Oops, who was addressing what he/she considered "right-wing wackos" on these boards). Apparently AW4 took it personally and imagined Oops was addressing him because he must be accustomed to being referred to as a "right-wing wacko"; Oops didn't even know AW4 was a besotted Reagan junkie. I can just picture AW4's poor Fox/Limbaugh-soaked head exploding last night when Al Gore held up that Oscar. Anyway, AW4, I'll pray for your recovery, and meanwhile thanks so much for such a highly entertaining rant (and please try to cut down on the "kool-aide" sauce - it's clearly detrimental to your mental health).
AW4cryinoutloud wrote on Feb 26, 2007 11:09 PM:I responded to Well-rounded earlier but it got lost. Aw4 is a she. I asked what Well-rounded considered a well-rounded knowledge. If I'd known someone like this would have such a veneomous response I'd have clarified a little more. According to Well-rounded my knowledge comes from reading "crap". I wonder if the fact that I also read Time and Newsweek qualifies as "crap". Both are liberal magazines. Time being the one that wrongly used a photo to represent the Haditha incident and had to retract; so, this should qualify as well-rounded knowledge for him, or her. I also go to a military site. Also, the DOD has its own reports. Wonder if that qualifies as "crap". What would he or she would consider well rounded; Al Jazeera? I had a good laugh when I read that Air America is the only talk radio show without a right wing slant. That is great comedy. If one is going to defend Oops' so-called joke, one might tell Oops to forewarn that it it's a joke because calling someone a "wacko" isn't funny. Calling it a joke is kind of like Kerry and his remarks about the troops. As for the reference to me as "besotted"; that only shows ignorance and bitterness. Pretty ugly. As for Al Gore; Not worth the trouble. Now "there's" a joke in progress. When I saw him with Oscar I just flipped the channel for something more realistic than getting an award from his liberal Hollywood cronies. It was a No brainer that he got it. Get a grip! And please DON'T pray for me for "any" thing. I don't think our prayers are going to the same place.
AW4cryinoutloud wrote on Feb 26, 2007 11:14 PM: If both of these go through; I corrected the spelling in the first one and took out the extra word. Sneaky, huh? Just in case...I responded to Well-rounded earlier but it got lost. Aw4 is a she. I asked what Well-rounded considered a well-rounded knowledge. If I'd known someone like this would have such a venemous response I'd have clarified a little more. According to Well-rounded my knowledge comes from reading "crap". I wonder if the fact that I also read Time and Newsweek qualifies as "crap". Both are liberal magazines. Time being the one that wrongly used a photo to represent the Haditha incident and had to retract; so, this should qualify as well-rounded knowledge for him, or her. I also go to a military site. Also, the DOD has its own reports. Wonder if that qualifies as "crap". What would he or she consider well rounded; Al Jazeera? I had a good laugh when I read that Air America is the only talk radio show without a right wing slant. That is great comedy. If one is going to defend Oops' so-called joke, one might tell Oops to forewarn that it it's a joke because calling someone a "wacko" isn't funny. Calling it a joke is kind of like Kerry and his remarks about the troops. As for the reference to me as "besotted"; that only shows ignorance and bitterness. Pretty ugly. As for Al Gore; Not worth the trouble. Now "there's" a joke in progress. When I saw him with Oscar I just flipped the channel for something more realistic than getting an award from his liberal Hollywood cronies. It was a No brainer that he got it. Get a grip! And please DON'T pray for me for "any" thing. I don't think our prayers are going to the same place.
"Well Rounded"??? wrote on Feb 27, 2007 10:12 AM:AW4 loves to dish it out but obviously can't take it. Hypocritically whines about generic insults as if directed at her (not just those directed at her), yet goes on her own insult binge whenever someone holds a mirror to her. There was nothing "venomous" about my prior post - it merely stated the obvious about AW4's prior post. Further, I didn't say AW4 was "reading crap". I referenced "that crap" which are the Cable Channels and Rush Limbaugh show AW4 specifically identified. Now AW4 wants to change the rules of the game by mentioning magazines, Time and Newsweek, which while certainly an improvement over the "crap" she mentioned before, are by no means "liberal". They've both always been very conservative, and both acted as dishonest and completely uncritical cheerleaders in Shrub's march to war in Iraq. And why AW4 thinks she should laugh at the *fact* that Air America is the *only* AM radio talk show without a right wing bias is beyond me. Apparently she's been so brainwashed by right-wing media that she doesn't even realize it's right-wing. And AW4 still doesn't get Oops' joke about the KKK and the Bible. She dishonestly shifts the focus to Oops' mention of "right wing wackos", which was not a joke, but an opinion about the predominance of conservative crazies in these forums. And my reference to "besotted" is a direct reference to her own comment re: Reagan that she "loved the man's soul". I also don't believe for a second that AW4 was ever a registered Democrat. NO Democrat would ever have supposedly "seen the light" and switched parties due to Reagan. In short, AW4 is not only a dishonest hypocrite, not only a pathetic victim of right-wing media manipulation, fear-tactics, hate-mongering, smears, distortions, half-truths, outright lies and overall administration propaganda which she mistakes for "news", she apparently holds herself up as some kind of ringleader of the certifiable loonies on these boards.
"Well Rounded"??? wrote on Feb 27, 2007 10:28 AM:Addendum: It's occurred to me since my last post that maybe AW4 has mistaken my reference to Air America as an AM radio "talk show program" with a "talk show channel". Air America is a syndicated program that plays on AM channels all over the country. Locally, KLSD AM1360 carries certain Air America hosts on certain time slots - in between they have their own local talk show hosts from politics to mortgages to gardening. Their local political talk show hosts, are, IMHO better and more listenable than many of the Air America hosts. Unfortunately, KLSD gave away a 3 hour timeslot from noon to 3 pm to a Rush Limbaugh copycat (who has worked hard at sounding even more like Limbaugh than Limbaugh does) Ed Schulz, a hypocritical blowhard who pretends to be a Democrat, and even makes some milquetoast "liberal" points, but undermines it all by constantly slipping in his right-wing bias.
AW4cryinoutloud wrote on Feb 27, 2007 7:32 PM:To "Well Rounded"???: I just sat and typed a whole long response to every one of your accusations when it occurred to me that I'm responding to someone who isn't dealing with a full deck. I hit the delete button. You said I was changing the rules of the game. Wrong!!! I'm ENDING the game. From now on, have at it. Spew away. Game Over!!!!AW4.
Support Our Oops wrote on Feb 28, 2007 9:51 AM:I missed the fireworks. This AW4 waits almost 6 days to moan about my brief comment as if I were addressing her? Then can't seem to get anything straight? Thank you, "Well Rounded", whoever you are, for pointing out the obvious about this AW4 . What a piece of work - and she imagines you're the one "dealing without a full deck"? ROTFLMAO!!!
AW4cryinoutloud wrote on Feb 28, 2007 12:24 PM:To Support Our Oops: I didn't "wait" for anything. This was an older story. I just happened to come back to it and saw the stupid comment. It's been 4 days. What took you so long? I feel like I'm responding to John Kerry. He also has a problem with admitting it when he makes an outlandish statement. I'm not up on interpreting your letters; what is the meaning of "ROTFLMAQ"?
Support Our Oops wrote on Feb 28, 2007 1:36 PM:You need to get our more, AW4, and get away from the NCT Comments section. You never heard of ROTFLMAO??? (*not* ROTFLMAQ) It's short for "Rolling On The Floor Laughing My A.. Off" and it's an expression that's been all over the internet for many years. Unlike you, I don't infest the comments section on a daily basis. I pop in and out about once or twice a week. And I haven't been around here for very long.
AW4cryinoutloud wrote on Feb 28, 2007 3:52 PM:To Oops: Big Whoop! O, not a Q! Big Whoop! As for "Rolling on the floor laughing...", I never heard it before. I have said; "Wait while I pick myself up off the floor from laughing". Can't help it if I never heard of the thing you're talking about. Sounds like you may be on the internet too much if you have all that knowledge of such trivial things. As for my getting away from the NCTimes comment section; I never even blogged until after I heard of the Hamdania incident. I first blogged in August last year. When I realized the inconsistencies in the reports I began researching all aspects of it. I'm happy for you that you only infest (as you put it) the comments section whenever you pop in and out once or twice a week. I hadn't realized there was a quota. Perhaps next you'll be giving me advice as to how often I should do other things in my life. Am I supposed to pin a medal on you for popping in and out or bow down to your humble appearances or what? Sad you can't support the "troops". You can only bring yourself to support the "Oops". Must be something on the internet I haven't heard of.
Support Our Oops wrote on Feb 28, 2007 10:53 PM:The phrase, "support our oops" is one that simply mocks the lockstep Bushies who abuse the "Support Our Troops" slogan. The point is, what the Bushie apologists are really saying is support Bush's blunders - his "oops", e.g. the Iraq war. Bush and his followers obviously don't give a damn about the actual troops on the ground or in the VA hospitals. I'm not the one who thought that up. I just always thought it was a very pertinent riposte to the mindless sloganeering of the dumbed-down sheeple who slap those stupid bumper stickers on their vehicles. I can't believe how humerless you are. With that said, I have absolutely no interest in chit-chatting with you (I may as well just start talking to a thick brick wall), and still can't fathom what kind of paranoid delusions drove you to think I was attacking you with my first post in this section. I wasn't even thinking of you, much less addressing you. I was making an observation about the group of right-wingers I usually see infesting these comments sections following so many NCT articles. I felt it a breath of fresh air that, as noted in my post, none had yet shown up in the first 8 comments. So please don't waste your time and breath following me around, unless you just want to be insulted right back. I frankly find the reprocessed tape-loop mentality you regurgitate repulsive in the wilfull ignorance it discloses. With that said, buh-bye...ping!
AW4cryinoutloud wrote on Mar 1, 2007 11:42 PM:To Oops: In case you're curious, I don't follow you around. I go back to articles to see if there are any new comments and, Walla', there you are. Has it not occurred to you that the Oops thing is insulting to the troops? It sounds like you are dissing them; leaving the first two letters out of the word. It may not be what you intend but, the first time I saw it "that" was what I thought you were doing. I don't understand where you get the idea that anyone who had supported the war or the President is happy about what has been happening or the way it was handled. Why is it that you group "all" in a tiny little mindset as "Bushies" or whatever sicko crap you can spew. Who do you think you are to say that we don't give a damn about the troops on the ground or in the VA hospitals? Your attitude is presumptuous, arrogant, self- indulging garbage. Apparently you are so immersed in your own tiny little world of hatred that you pay no attention to what I and many others have said with respect to supporting our Marines and all of our troops. Go back and read my blogs and eat crow! As for the bumper stickers; Grow Up! People who put them on their cars and trucks do it BECAUSE THEY SUPPORT THE TROOPS!!! We can't go to Iraq and tell them. I don't often see anyone in the military when I'm out but whenever I do I stop and thank them for being there for us. So please spare me the self righteousness. Do you stop and let anyone know you have pride in your country because of them? Do you thank them? What the heck is "dumbed-down sheeple"? I guess that's supposed to be a joke. Don't give up your day job. You said you couldn't understand why I thought you were attacking me...Here's a clue for you...You lump all right wing people into your own hated group which you refer to as "right-wing wackos". You refer to them as "infesting" the sections and you insult them by saying they get their news, aside from the Bible and Limbaugh, from the KKK??? Gadzooks! Where do you come up with this junk? Of course you were thinking of me. You think of me the way you think of all conservatives; obvious by your reference to Limbaugh. My Goodness! Where did you come up with that last comment? To quote you: "I frankly find the reprocessed tape-loop mentality you regurgitate repulsive in the willful ignorance it discloses". Unquote! Yep; "that" comment could cause one to regurgitate.
Support Our Oops wrote on Mar 2, 2007 10:39 AM:AW4, you're a compulsive liar. You make it a point to single out other posters for your numerous insults in all the threads you post in. You're virtually alone in that practice. And you're still doing it to me. No, my handle couldn't possibly be construed as an "insult to our troops" except by a completely brainwashed moron. As for your continued vapid insults, you know where you can stick them. You want to know what "dumbed down sheeple" look like? Just look in the mirror. Now go have another swig of the Kool-Aide you virtually swim in.
AW4cryinoutloud wrote on Mar 2, 2007 11:06 AM:Anybody know what tape-loop mentality means? That one's got me stumped.
Support Our Oops wrote on Mar 2, 2007 12:44 PM:"tape-loop mentality" means the mush between your ears is nothing more than an endless tape-loop of right-wing wacko talking points. It means you don't have a single original thought in your head. It means you just mindlessly regurgitate all the crap you've been listening to for too long. It means you've never learned to think critically for yourself. It means you merely repeat what you've heard from lying, hate-spewing right-wing wackos in the media like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O'Reilly, etc., etc., ad nauseum. For synonyms, see, e.g.: "kool-aide drinker"; "freeper". For antonyms, see, e.g.: "free thinker"; "progressive". It is so easy to spot because right-wing wacko kool-aide drinkers are so monolithic in their utterances - they all sound the same as the right-wing wackos in the media.
AW4cryinoutloud wrote on Mar 2, 2007 2:02 PM:To Oops: Whatever happened to "buh- bye... ping"? You're so predictable. I bet myself you'd respond. Thanks for the proof of who is filled with hostility and less than respectful comments. OH!...Buh-Bye...Ping!!!!
Support Our Oops wrote on Mar 2, 2007 5:01 PM:But...but... you set yourself up so wide open with your dumb question... I just couldn't resist having one final laugh. Oh, well, while I'm at it, perhaps I could illustrate it all for you. Anyone, for example, who thinks these 15 words ("Just so you know, we're ashamed the President of the United States is from Texas") are, as you've stated, "disgusting", but does not find these 16 words (“The British Government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa”) "disgusting" may just as well be brain dead. So now you can go choke on that while drinking your Kool-Aide, as I say once again: Buh-Bye...Ping!!!
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