Stern wrote on Mar 4, 2007 6:56 AM:Get over it....there are over 256 religions and everyone thinks they have the answer. Relgion and academics don't mix. A religious based course has no intrinsic value. More people die over religion are prejudice etc. Who needs that in the business world. Real education teaches understanding and diversity. Religion teaches a self centered world. And no I'm not a homosexual..If I was I would probably be Catholic.

Seabiscuit wrote on Mar 4, 2007 7:13 AM:This is the most frivolous lawsuit I've ever heard of, and will be thrown out of court before long. Courses in "intelligent design" and "creationism" have no place in public schools such as the University of California, and the courts have already so ruled. If the so-called "Christians" want to soak themselves in that kind of mud, let them do it at private "Christian" colleges. They'll certainly never get into graduate programs at schools like MIT with that kind of course curriculum in their private colleges.

Ed Dominguez wrote on Mar 4, 2007 7:28 AM:Case against UC system proceeds? It is insulting to read that the UC attorney would defend the exclusion of a course on Christianity’s Influence on America, stating that it is too narrow (and) too specialized”. Perhaps this same attorney can provide the general public with an explanation on why this course is too narrow while such courses as “Queer Vision”, a class taught at UC Santa Cruz, Harvard’s “Genealogies of Queer Theory” and or Swarthmore’s “Lesbian Novels since World War Two”, are not! The American public should be outraged at the hijacking of our educational system by those whom approve of the perversities that plague our colleges. The quest for a Godless society has now obviously become a battlefield that we cannot afford to lose. It is no surprise that this young man, along with so many other students, would find themselves pitted against the so-called “institution” of higher learning. We as the foundation of society must unite in support of students like Kyle Brodmann.

Dan wrote on Mar 4, 2007 8:30 AM:Go Kyle! Ed said it right. Public universities accecpt class credits that encourage sexually distructive behavior, anti-American ideas, and so on. WAKE UP AMERICANS!

More BS From Lawyers wrote on Mar 4, 2007 9:19 AM:Religion is kookiness based on some book of nonsense that nobody knows the source of. Christians routinely reject other religions as poppycock, while presenting there cult as fact. Anything with a religious bias is invalid and should be properly rejected by the state.

J. Justice wrote on Mar 4, 2007 9:30 AM:I am an "ACLU Liberal"; I believe this young man is correct and I support his suit and wish him well.

UC Grad wrote on Mar 4, 2007 9:40 AM:Having gone to a UC school, I can say that the only thing religious-based high school classes will prep you for are classes in religious studies and not freshman college requirements. If a student wants to get into a UC school, they need to understand the UC school's requirements, just as they need to understand the requirements of a Christian college. Nobody is forcing them to attend the UC school.

Close-minded and prejudice... wrote on Mar 4, 2007 9:46 AM:These people are not so-called "christians", they are Christians. You say they will never get into graduate programs at schools like MIT with that curriculum. Sad thing is, they could probably get in taking the "Queer Vision" class at Santa Cruz. Is your problem with them the fact that they are Christians? Would you be using the quotation marks if you were talking about homosexuals? I would bet that if there were so-called "homosexuals" upset that the "Queer Vision" class they took was not recognized and labeled "to narrow", you would be all over the school. And to stern..."real education teaches understanding and diversity" except when it comes to religion right? We have to be educated about sexual and racial diversity but keep religion out of it. What a double standard. You so-called "people" are so close-minded and prejudice. When you are predjudice against people for their religious beliefs, you are prejudice period. You might as well put blacks, hispanics, asians and homosexuals on your list as well. Prejudice is prejudice is prejudice. If religion and academics don't mix and if we don't need it in the business world then the same should be said for all courses related to sexual orientation such as "Genealogies of Queer Theory" correct? Who needs that in the business world???? Obviously you and seabiscuit. If there were a school for gay/lesbians and their courses were not recognized would seabiscuit have said " if these so-called "gays/lesbians" want to soak themselves in that kind of mud, let them do it at a private "gay/lesbian" college. Probably not because there is no such thing but with the way things re going in this world...seabiscuit better get ready to say just that.

Yeah, I a prejudiced against religion wrote on Mar 4, 2007 11:43 AM:Why??? because it is folklore taught as fact. It will never help you in life, just gives you a warm fuzzy justification for the way you life your life. Get a grip

AW4cryinoutloud wrote on Mar 4, 2007 12:01 PM:A university rep says a student who is "saved" wouldn't be "adequately prepared" for studies at the U level if they were taught science from a Christian perspective. Who would the U consider adequately prepared? Someone who doesn't hold 'their' views and may actually think for themselves? Would the U rather have books used by someone who is on his or her way to Hell, as opposed to someone who is "saved"? Who gives a devil's horn whether or not the knowledge is "generally accepted" in the scientific community. I was under the impression that in a democracy ALL views and knowledge is what college is about. Don't they say that "Knowledge is Power"? Yep; therein may lie the problem!!!

Ask wrote on Mar 4, 2007 12:12 PM:Call the WHAAAAAAMBULANCE!!! LOL, what a joke. Life isnt fair, just take it for what it is.

Rambo wrote on Mar 4, 2007 12:29 PM:LOng live love of country and the Christian faith. Right on Mr. Dominguez!! All Christian courses are the best ones to prepare are kids for the future. Are youts need positive influences like those provided by the Christian faith. Christian classes teach wonderful things like creationism and intellectual design not homosexual literacy and tolerancy like they do in the public schools. Come back to the Christian God before it is to late. The clock is ticking for you non-Chriatians. From the right side of the barber's chair--Rambo

Monica wrote on Mar 4, 2007 12:42 PM:My daughter was interested in going to a college that would cost us over 50k, and there was no guarantee that other colleges would accept the work she would have done. Should she sue?? This is ridiculous. I say take your christian education to a christian college. What's wrong with that?? To paraphrase "close minded and prejudice", let the christian kids take their christian ideals to a christian college, then they would have no problem. To those who don't like the teachings at UC schools, you should also go elsewhere. I would enjoy a class on "Queer Theory" or Lesbian studies or whatever. I'm especially interested in the study of "Western Caribbean Culture" as my family is of that culture. And no I'm no gay. In case you missed it, I've two daughters thank you. There is no discrimination here. Schools have the discretion to decide what courses they will accept and you as a prospective student have the choice of what school to go to based upon the requirements. As I said, my daughter was interested in a particular school, a private for profit school and she probably won't go there because there is no guarantee that the courses will be accepted anywhere else. I ask again, should we start a frivolous lawsuit as well? One other question. Should a student who went to a non christian school, who decided for whatever reason to go to a christian college, and lets say that christian school doesn't accept a subject say on evolution, should that secular student sue to protect the secular school they attended and for their secular rights? What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Put that in your christian pipe and smoke it. Might be better than the christian crack you supporters of this nonsense smoke.

evolution1 wrote on Mar 4, 2007 12:50 PM:I can't imagine why students from a christian high school would want to attend a UC school. They would be totally unprepared to deal with ambiguity and critical thinking, and would probably find the processes required to deal with these things in direct opposition to their beliefs. There are plenty of christian "colleges" where they can continue their "education".

Desertphile wrote on Mar 4, 2007 1:01 PM:The law suit claims the suers believe that they are being discriminated against because their occult beliefs are "Christian" beliefs: however, the simple and basic fact is that their beliefs are rejected, and therefore not taught in schools, because they are *WRONG!* If Jews or Muslims or atheists also wanted the exact same falsehoods taught in school, they would meet the same rejection. Surely this is bloody obvious.

Get over it wrote on Mar 4, 2007 1:09 PM:If a high school wishes to teach a class that they want approved for college credit they have to apply for it to be accepted. If Calvary Chapel would have just done this from the beginning therew ould be no problem. Instead, they think they because they teach Gods law they can do whatever they want and everyone should accept it. Get a grip. And to try to compare classes that are taught in college to those in high school is a joke. It is a students choice about what they want to take in college. If the want to take a class about homosexuality then so what. Nobody is makeing them take it so get your homophobic views out of here. Obviously, students are signing up for it because the college is still offering it. Keep religion out of education. Good job UC.

Seabiscuit wrote on Mar 4, 2007 2:39 PM:You want religious courses? Go to your church. That's what freedom of religion under the Constitution is all about. Just keep your peculiar religious propaganda out of our publicly funded schools. That's what separation of church and state under the Constitution is all about. In other words, if you want to stink up the house with your oddball beliefs that your myths and superstitions should be mistaken for science, confine yourselves to the bathroom where your "business" belongs and quit trying to soil the living room where us grownups gather for healthy discussions about the real world.

Seabiscuit wrote on Mar 4, 2007 2:41 PM:Gee, just look at all that shameless gay bashing. You know what they say about homophobes: they're closet "queers" who hate themselves.

Craig wrote on Mar 4, 2007 4:04 PM:Why do citizins "always" have to "sue" somebody to try and get what they want. I think it's "over-rated". I strongly feel that people here in this country should have "no right to sue", so they can get a ridiculous high dollar amount for something so frivilous as in this case. Be thankful that your living in the USA and have the freedom that you have. Move on little boy, and get over it.

UC student wrote on Mar 4, 2007 5:18 PM:This is ridiculous...go to college and take college level religion courses. Hell major in it if you're so passionate about it. Even though I am a Christian, you have to drawn the line on what deserves credit. Sadly, the UC system and the rest of society is turning into a secular progessive force no thanks to ACLU nuts.

Seabiscuit wrote on Mar 4, 2007 6:21 PM:In 1987, the U.S. Supreme Court, in Edwards v. Aguillard, ruled that a Louisiana law requiring that creation science ("creationism") be taught in public schools whenever evolution was taught was unconstitutional, because the law was specifically intended to advance a particular religion. The "creationists" are currently attempting a cynical end-run around that decision by calling the exact same thing "intelligent design". Several courts have already seen through this sham practice and ruled accordingly. If any of them ever gets to the U.S. Supreme Court, it will receive the same treatment, citing the Edwards case as precedent. Neither "creationism" nor its reincarnation as "intelligent design" is merely "another view of science". That's what lower trial and appellate courts have already decided. Rather it is nothing more than religion masked as pseudo science and promoted by a bunch of hypocritical fraudulent religious propagandists. That's the same fate this frivolous Brodmann case will meet. If these phonies want their peculiar religious views taught in public schools they should start their own country somewhere where their ruling high priests can dictate what children and young adults are allowed to learn in their public schools. Much like the radical Shia Islamic Clerics in Iran. But this is a country of laws, and the law of the land here in the "good 'ol USA" is that these extremists have no business imposing their peculiar religious dogma onto our students in our public schools. They want to study their own version of "Christian" science? They are free to build their own private "colleges" and immerse their own brainwashed children in them. And they have already done and are doing that. Fine. I just feel sorry for those children, whose lives have been warped by their nutcase parents, and whose futures in academia and the business world have been compromised as a result.

KC wrote on Mar 4, 2007 6:30 PM:It is clear to me. Lets see - keep out several thousand well prepared Christian students because Science was taught from a Biblical principle. But, how about admitting (and paying for) those who can not even speak the English language properly because we don't want to spend $3.00 on our Avacados. Makes sense to me! Here is a fact---The UC system is full of rabid left wing socialists. Good luck Mr. Brodmann, my family will be PRAYING for you.

Reardon wrote on Mar 4, 2007 7:51 PM:Science, as taught in ALL public universities (and almost all private ones) recognizes the Darwin theory. When a test question in science course asks about evolution you had better answer it "correctly" and not bring superstitions about creationism, or whatever the Islamic, Buddhist, Confucian, Native American Indian, Eskimo or Aztec theory of the subject might be. While there may be questions about evolution, no university could accept 256 separate and diverse answers depending upon the religion of the test taker! All "scientific" answers are not equal.

Ignorance Is Bliss wrote on Mar 4, 2007 8:42 PM:The nutcase fundies want us all to be required to study courses that teach that the universe is only 6,000 years old and that dinosaurs roamed the earth with early man. What they really want, and what such tax-wasting lawsuits are really about is they want to impose their version of a theocracy on us and eliminate our democracy. And they call themselves "patriots"? They should take their fanatical theocratic extremism to some remote deserted island where they can't bother the civilized peoples of the world.

ex student wrote on Mar 5, 2007 11:29 AM:My parents pulled me out of Murrieta CCCS because they did their homework. They knew at that time that the school would not adequately prepare me for the UC system. I am so glad that they did. I was accepted to almost all UC's and am getting a great education because of their decision. Most of my classmates from CCCS are going to private christian colleges.

older hopefully wiser wrote on Mar 9, 2007 6:32 PM:It's educational to read these comments and see the vicious hatred spewed by the religion-haters. All Brodmann and MCCS ask is a level playing field-- the right to be admitted to our state University without discrimination against their beliefs. Students who actually get to, say, UCSD, find courses where there will be required to present arguments for AND against the "theory" of evolution. (Been there, done that.) And they'll have to pass or fail on the quality of their own work. What's the problem?

AmericanGR wrote on Mar 9, 2007 10:24 PM:Amazing how narrow minded people are. To think they wish to push God out of their lives. Fools, they are, fools they will be forever in hell. Since the fall into sin, men and women have tried to justify their actions and somehow think they can alter the standards God has laid down. Amazingly Jesus spoke more about hell than Heaven. The very thought of spending an eternity in a place of darkness makes one wonder why would you deny the Truth of Jesus. But the Truth is this. Plain and simple. Those seeking the truth want a RELATIONSHIP with Jesus and not some religious experience. For you skeptics, take 5 days and read 1/5 of the book of John everyday. If you aren’t yet convinced, then read the book of Isaiah and split it up into 10 segments of daily reading. If you still aren’t convinced, then declare yourself a narrow minded thinker…because you are.

Ken wrote on Mar 10, 2007 3:26 AM:Seabiscuit, et al., For what it's worth, this Christian 6-day creationist has done quite well for himself working in the field of software engineering for almost 20 years. My acceptance of creationism came at age 25, after 2 years or so of working with other engineers designing computerized systems... each of which were far less complex than the simplest single-celled organism which you, of course, maintain has simply come into being through the blind, natural-law-driven process of evolution. Here's something to consider: what if SETI received a signal from space containing information? Wouldn't people conclude that an intelligent being sent it? So, why won't you accept an intelligent source behind the information contained in a DNA strand?

JB wrote on Mar 10, 2007 6:33 AM:The "older and wiser" writer IS wiser. CCCS has a profoundly valid case. I can never understand why there is SUCH a high level of anger and bitterness on the part of the people who disagree with our Christian views. I could go around and around with non-believers on this particular case (CCCS vs. UC) but there is only one bottom line that needs to be addressed when all is said and done. When you die, you are either a believer, or a non-believer. Each one of us (this means YOU and I, and everyone) will absolutely, positively stand before the Lord at that time, and will be accountable for which way we chose to live here on Earth. We either chose to NOT make Him our Lord and Savior, or we chose TO make Him our Lord and Savior. If Jesus himself was sitting right next to you RIGHT NOW as you read this, and you knew there was no question about it that He truly was Jesus, the Lord. Would you then believe? Or not.

Truth+Reality=Eternity wrote on Mar 12, 2007 12:30 PM:UC Berkeley started out as an Evangelical Presbyterian (Christian) School, as many of our great academic institutions have. Look at the seal of UC Berkeley, it has Bible Scripture written on it. Please open your mind and do the “RESEARCH”!!! The Bible has and will stand the test of time.

Lucy wrote on Apr 3, 2008 7:20 PM:The Brodmann family needs to wake up and realize that when you choose to attend a school that doesn't compare to the higher academic levels of a rigorous public school, they need to attend private Christian schools. Straight A's at a Christian school does not mean Straight A's at a more rigorous school. You live in a world that doesn't understand the 'Big Picture.'
And you are taking on a system that doesn't have time for your nonsense.

RJF wrote on Apr 3, 2008 7:24 PM:Wow,
How can someone in their right mind apply to a school that they are not qualified to attend based on the requirements that are available for everyone to see and then sue the UC system claiming they are being discriminated against. Who is advising and teaching this seemingly sharp kid these principles. This is just plain wrong.
Poor Kyle.......