Ask wrote on Mar 20, 2007 9:33 PM:Better to spend $100k now, than to pay $6 million for a financial report.

Just a Thought wrote on Mar 20, 2007 9:42 PM:Yeah that sounds like a good idea, spend more money for someone to tell you what you already know. I think the Chargers should look at Tijuana as a proposed site. Think of the economic impact it would have on that city! The Tijuana Chargers! Then Mexico could complain about the illegal (Americans) crossing the border into their country.

Good Investment wrote on Mar 20, 2007 9:50 PM:We need the best to represent Oceanside. I am glad we have a professional team that has experience. This is just the begining and I think Oceanside is making the right choices for Oceanside and the Chargers.

Sounds Great wrote on Mar 20, 2007 10:02 PM:Lets get serious about this and get the chargers here. Now we are going to hear all the loma alta and fire mountain whiners check-in with their traditional self centered whines.

Oh Pleezeeee wrote on Mar 20, 2007 10:20 PM:This is letting the fox into the henhouse. This groups' expertise is negotating FOR stadiums, not at looking whether or not it will benefits the current neighhorhoods. Spending public safety funds for something like this is just wrong! If the council wants this so bad,let them take it out of their own legal budget!

No to taxpayer subsidy wrote on Mar 20, 2007 10:32 PM:City of Chula Vista is not paying a dime and now city of Oceanside is having to pay $100,000. Just say no! Any study should be funded by the Chargers, NOT by the city. This is how we always do business, why this gift of public funds to this wealthy owner?

Jon wrote on Mar 20, 2007 11:02 PM:Hey Oceanside I'll provide the same service for $50,000! All the Spanos family wants is the golf course land for free which they will develope and sell for a ton of money. Oceanside gets a giant monolith which will be used a few days a year along with all the costs to service and maintain it. North county residents will get massive traffic jams on game days, and the citizens of Oceanside will have a huge chunk of cement placed in a mostly residential area which in 20 years will be outdated. The bonds should be paid off just as the Chargers start demanding a remodel. Of course most of the country will never know where Oceanside is because the team will still be known as the San Diego Chargers. Such a deal!

Veritas wrote on Mar 21, 2007 12:04 AM:A waste of taxpayer's money. The Chargers are using us only. If they gave $200,000 to Chula Vista why not $100,000 to Oceanside. An inside family friend said the Spanos are not serious about Oceanside.

JUst Another THought wrote on Mar 21, 2007 12:09 AM:Ay Just ANother THought!.. THat was Pretty FUnny mAyne... Thats real ORiginal MAN...

Floyd wrote on Mar 21, 2007 1:43 AM:Well, I certainly hope the consultants make it a point to include all the blog comments from this site in their report, because it's been a gold mine of information and concerns that need to be addressed.

John wrote on Mar 21, 2007 2:08 AM:I keep hearing about this team negotating with the team,thing. Hea, why diddnt someone think of that one. Let those multi millionairs playing the game build the stadium. Maby some of them big boys should pony up.Need a consultant? Ill do it for 48 K and give them an answer the same day.

Randy wrote on Mar 21, 2007 3:04 AM:The Oceanside city council stubbornly refuses to grasp the simple fact that it is wasting hard-earned taxpayer dollars. If the San Diego Chargers will bring big money to Oceanside, why isn't the City of San Diego working hard to retain the "Goose that laid the golden egg?"

Mark wrote on Mar 21, 2007 3:49 AM:Put the stadium in Temecula/Murrieta where all of your foreclosed homes are. That place will be a rundown ghosttown in a matter of a year or two anyway - perfect place.

dave from oceanside wrote on Mar 21, 2007 5:12 AM:Just what we need more traffic and drunks on the road after the game.

To Oh Pleezeee wrote on Mar 21, 2007 5:17 AM:Where does it say that they are using public safety funds? $100,000 is a good investment and could be negotiated to be repaid to the city by the Chargers. The best decisions need to be made about this and the council agrees that they are not the best ones to do this. Let's think POSITIVE!!

Where's our talent? wrote on Mar 21, 2007 6:02 AM:The taxpayers of Oceanside already pay a high salary to an Economic Development Manager and a CityAttorne. Why must the citizens "give" another $100,000 when there is supposedly talent already there? I guess if we need to hire conultants to do their job, their position can be eliminated?

jokes on Oceanside.... wrote on Mar 21, 2007 6:09 AM:What a joke--Oceanside once again is the laughing stock of North County. I can't believe how stupid the council is...Chula Vista didn't pay, why are we? RECALL the politicians. Start with the mayor.

Ed wrote on Mar 21, 2007 7:26 AM:Unbelievably STUPID, the entire city counsel should be forced to resign immediately.

Oceansider wrote on Mar 21, 2007 7:40 AM:Council placed this item on the Consent Calendar. Wrong place for this sort of topic, though I'm sure that one of the councilmembers (Esther Sanchez) will pull it for discussion. The city shouldn't be spending a nickel on these consultants, though. Tepid support on the part of even the most ardent Chargers fans, as reported elsewhere in the local media, as well as a preference to having the team stay in Mission Valley means that the Chargers should be footing this bill, not Oceanside taxpayers.

There's one born every minute: wrote on Mar 21, 2007 7:54 AM: Oceanside would do better to take that money and fill in their beaches with sand. The chargers are toying with them to better there arguing position with San Diego. They ain't going to move. They didn't last year, the year before, nor the year before that. They have an adequate stadium.

Mike wrote on Mar 21, 2007 8:08 AM:Is Oceanside going to stay a town for raising kids or a booming business in empty beer cans? The City Council needs to stop this insanity immediately and be proper stewards of the resources we make available to them through our daily labors.

Randy wrote on Mar 21, 2007 8:19 AM:If this $100,000 is such a sure-fire great deal for the city, each of the 4 council members supporting this venture should write a check for $25,000, refundable by the city when and if the deal is closed!

Jay wrote on Mar 21, 2007 8:44 AM:Call the councilmembers today.

Ask wrote on Mar 21, 2007 9:04 AM:Actually, jokes on San Diego. Their loosing their football team and they DONT care. At least you wont get run over in the streets like you do in San Diego.

Let's vote wrote on Mar 21, 2007 9:20 AM:Before alot of money is thrown out the window. Let's have a special election to see if the citizens of O'side want the chargers here. If they don't thats the end of it (remember council, your responsibility is to REPRESENT the citizens of O'side). Don't be influenced by comments here that can be entered by anyone, from anywhere. When this is all done, there will be another election!

lets hear from the players wrote on Mar 21, 2007 9:27 AM:They make several milliom a yr so why don't each of them invest 1 or 2 million and share in the rewards this stadium thing is going to produce???? Ya think its because their financil advisors wouldn't let them touch it with a 10 ft. pole?? What other 'investors' do you see jumping on this bandwagon?? There's your answer city council- NONE

from tv land wrote on Mar 21, 2007 9:40 AM:Millions of fans love and watch football, some all yr long. Most, even here in San Diego County call a team from outside the area their 'favorite'. They watch games on TV, even when the Raiders come to town, 1/2 the people root for the Raiders, Real FOOTBALL fans watch that one on TV also, even in San Diego.So if the Chargers want to move, MOVE, lets see there is Buckeye, Az., don't forget to check out nearby Yuma, or Maybe you can find some space in Montana. The idea Spanos is if you want to stay in So. Calif. you will have to pay the price, like the little guy does or live elsewhere (oh thats right you already do). No matter where you move it, if I choose to watch the chargers I'm see them on TV, maybe they will be playing my favorite team.

Beach Sand??? wrote on Mar 21, 2007 9:45 AM:hahahah, good one, beach sand lasts one season!!! great investment. Oceanside welcomes the chargers

Let's vote..I agree wrote on Mar 21, 2007 10:04 AM:A special election is cheaper than $100,000; does the Council know how the citizens will vote? This is just the beginning of a lot of money out the door for this ridiculous idea. The chances are excellent the citizens will vote it down.

Council cannot do their jobs wrote on Mar 21, 2007 10:13 AM:First they remove themselves from negotiating with our first responders and now we need consultants to negotiate with the chargers.What are they good for? Approving the new super Wal Mart that San Diego rejected? Maybe they will hire consultants to negotiate that one as well. The new troika is pretty worthless except for check writing.

Bee wrote on Mar 21, 2007 10:17 AM:Hmm, I wonder if Chavez has anything to do with this? Citizens just say NO! We don't need extra drunks, and crazy fans causing more problems; let the big cities deal with all that junk.

V wrote on Mar 21, 2007 10:58 AM:Before spending money on consultants someone should make sure there aren't any Gnatcatchers at Goat Hill, remember the Carlsbad Municipal Golf Course debacle.

Booking Fees wrote on Mar 21, 2007 11:16 AM:This money will come from booking fees that are paid for public safety. This money should be available to our police department, NOT wasted on consultants. Let the Charger's pony up some environmental studies first to see if Goat Hill is even viable. It IS our parkland...are they going to replace 75 acres with El Corazon, what the community already consider our Parkland? That's not a good deal! And look at the $10M the city wants to spend on a crummy apartmentment building over by Goat Hill! Wasted money if the Chargers take over that land. This council is out of control!

Council wrote on Mar 21, 2007 11:53 AM:Please check out Veritas statement above; if true, why does Oceanside have to pay fees plus why bother?

Concerned-1 wrote on Mar 21, 2007 12:34 PM:To Mark: Temecula and Murrieta will be a ghost town in two years? It amazes me how little grasp some people have on reality. What's your beef with Temec and Murrieta? You obviously don't live here nor do you know anything about the economy here. As for the Chargers moving here, heck yes, we'd love to have them. There's a perfect spot for them in the Golden Triangle. I'll give the Domenigonis a call!

jesse the vetteman wrote on Mar 21, 2007 1:15 PM:well, here we go again ! citizens of O'side trying to protect their little space....i bet lots of these nay sayers are not even from or born in California...i came to San Diego in 1971 from a small northern hick town to better my life...now I am retired because of the opportunities S.D. gave me. The hick town is still hick. my point is: because I moved here, I was part of the S.D. growing/traffic problem, so blame yourself for cluttering the streets and malls because you are here and came from there..we are free to travel/live/work in any state of the union and thus have to take the growth with it...Go Chargers...fan for 36 years...

Foreclosures wrote on Mar 21, 2007 1:27 PM:You obviously don't read the news or listen to it; this area is rife with foreclosures sadly. Plus we are upset that people in that area want to shove a massive concrete behemonth with all its traffic, noise and crime into OUR neighborhood.

Randy wrote on Mar 21, 2007 1:37 PM:$100,000 seems way too low to start the betting, er, bidding. We're talking billionaire developers here. Why not a nice even dollar amount to get the ball rolling? I suggest $2.2 million. It will resonate during the November 2008 elections!

Ask wrote on Mar 21, 2007 1:43 PM:Watch out San Diego. Forget North County. You may end up loosing the team to another city, such as VEGAS. Then its LIGHTS OUT!!!

To beach sand??? wrote on Mar 21, 2007 2:37 PM: That's the point slow on the draw - Oceanside will receive more value from the sand than they will from the Chargers. Besides, those guys can't even win a Superbowl when they have the best coach ever. The business office runs that team - it takes a team three years to recoup their losses and that's by selling off their players, and with additional contracts they get and all. Get Wise.

To Veritas wrote on Mar 21, 2007 2:51 PM:Oh yeah, well my inside friend of a friend of a friend of a friend's roommate's aunt says your inside info is worth about as much as a warm bowl of poo. I don't think the insiders are wasting their time on these message boards.

re: To Beach Sand wrote on Mar 21, 2007 2:58 PM:The sand is gone in one winter, what a worthless investment. Tourist don't even know there is a sand problem, only a few percent of the tourists actually step foot on a beach anyhow. As for the Chargers, yes, the business office runs the team because it is A BUSINESS. I liked Marty, but he was definitely not the best coach ever!!! His record in playoffs is the worst in history!!!! Winning the Superbowl is not necessary for profitability in the NFL. What matters is the number of season tickets you can sell. Oceanside would expand the market for season ticket holders (NC is more affluent + there is the OC factor). The season ticket market would actually shrink in south bay.

33 Year Oside Resident wrote on Mar 21, 2007 3:04 PM:Do people actually understand what they read anymore? Nobody has paid anything yet. It's simply noted that they'd COSNIDER paying $100K IF the whole staduim deal gets that serious. ALSO why would Oside want Chargers to pay for consultants, that IS a conflict of interest. Moreover, crime in O'side isn't as bad as it once was - duh, that's where the $700K came from! So stop crying about "traffic" and "more crime" etc..we're talking about 10 (count them)10 Days out of the year! if you can't deal w/a little traffic 10 days out of the year - maybe YOU should be living in Yuma or Barstow or some place like that! GO BOLTS!

Nadine the naysayer wrote on Mar 21, 2007 3:27 PM:I"m a very vocal neighsayers. I'm a California native and have lived in this area for over 50 years. So shaddup!

To 33 Year Resident wrote on Mar 21, 2007 3:28 PM:You actually understand that the staduim will be used for more than just football on more than just 10 days a year?! Fabiani said it himself that they would plan on having the stadium ultilized as many of the 365 days in a year that are possible. It's fine if you don't live near it I'm sure, but when you're right down the street it's a whole other ball game!

Randy wrote on Mar 21, 2007 3:31 PM:Sign a contract with the San Diego Chargers tonight. Agree that Oceanside will pay $1 million per year to the Chargers for 30 years for NOT building an Oceanside stadium. It will be much, much cheaper than the cost to the city of Oceanside if you DO build a stadium for the San Diego Chargers!

TemeculaGuy wrote on Mar 21, 2007 4:04 PM:Now let's hear no more about the sad situation out here in Temec/Murriet! Yes, the Chargers would be good for us, but they'd never build here. It's blast furnace hot in the summer and the area is headed for a real depression. Sub-prime loans abound and massive foreclosures are just around the corner. So don't remind us of it anymore. Go Bolts!

Right Down the Street wrote on Mar 21, 2007 4:57 PM:I agree with 33 year resident. I have lived in Oceanside almost 26 years and have been a Charger fan my whole life. Yes, the stadium will be used for more that 10 days out of the year but, I live right down the street from the proposed stadium sight and I say Yes on the stadium. So many people are so quick to jump the gun and say NO! What does run down goat hill bring us?

Gary wrote on Mar 21, 2007 5:03 PM:The process of hiring experts and evaluating thier analysis is just one more step in making an informed decision. A recent Survey shows that a large majority of people living in San Diego acknowledge that having an NFL team is an important part of this community and we would be hurt by the Chargers leaving.

Oceanside Watch Dog wrote on Mar 21, 2007 5:48 PM:I am glad the Council is not just taking the word of the Chargers and is getting information that is reliable because they hired the person. I am not sure I am in favor of this Charger Stadium but I know for sure I am not in favor of the Council getting its inforation from the Charger's consultants. That is letting the fox have the say over the hen house. This is just common sense.

Marge wrote on Mar 21, 2007 5:54 PM:If the stadium comes to Oceanside, perhaps the city of Oceanside will also be willing to widen Hwy 76 from Bonsall to Hwy 15. It will be jammed beyond belief on game days that's for sure.It's for darned sure the county is in no hurry to widen that horrible stretch of the road. Maybe the ball players would like to pool their money to do it also.

GFN wrote on Mar 21, 2007 7:11 PM:This is just the FIRST $100,000...check the "oh pleezeese" post, 10:20 pm. These are consultants who will find ways to sell you on the stadium. There was a consultant in Oceanside 5-6 years ago who actually told a developer, "I'm sorry, ___, but I can't take this job because there is no way I could spin this to your favor, no matter what!" Wow, an honest man!

matt wrote on Mar 21, 2007 7:26 PM:the moron who said to put the stadium in temecula or murrieta obviously doesnt know that temecula/ murrieta are considered LA metro so therefore they would become the los angeles chargers

Freeman wrote on Mar 21, 2007 8:01 PM:Free of charge: NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO! What part of that doesn't our city's "representatives" understand?

To Matt wrote on Mar 21, 2007 8:08 PM:I fail to see the problem with that.

Chager Fan no matter what wrote on Mar 21, 2007 8:50 PM:What all of you nay sayers fell to think of is if the team paid for the consultants they would be working for the team therefor the opinions could be one sided. As for spending tax payers money, You'll never see it any ways. Even if they say that it will go here it would probly end up going some where else. Stop the complaining and try to be more constructive with your thoughts.

Think about it- wrote on Mar 21, 2007 9:01 PM:Nationally, subsidies to professional sports facilities cost taxpayers some $500 million a year. More than $7 billion will be spent on new facilities by the year 2006, with most of it coming from public sources. Communities that are hard-pressed to keep their schools open or police on the beat are nevertheless entering into agreements to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to bid away a professional sports team from another city.

GFN wrote on Mar 21, 2007 9:31 PM:To Charger fan...lame.