Skip wrote on Mar 21, 2007 10:50 PM:I want to see pictures of this so called art. How about it NCT?

Former Escondido Resident wrote on Mar 21, 2007 10:51 PM:Escondido's numerous problems just get more and more amusing as time goes on. From its inept council members and city management to its mounting problems which no seems to know how to solve. Glad I'm out of there.

Mark wrote on Mar 21, 2007 11:09 PM:So much hate and disdain towards Hispanics, Latinos, and/or others of Mexican decent in Escondido. Escondido, the name of the city itself seems like a sad irony. It's a shame that a small group of so-called patriots like the Minutemen were able to divide the city along racial/ethnic lines. These Minutemen, sometimes I wonder if they are nothing more than ghosts that traveled from the past, you know, when lynching a person of color was the norm in the South. Thank god my mother married someone with an American sounding last name.

Constitution 101 wrote on Mar 21, 2007 11:09 PM:Another lesson in constitutional rights for Sam Abed.

morty wrote on Mar 21, 2007 11:12 PM:we have money to have illegals exibit their art but my 25 year old can't get a job?!! what is wrong with this country? I propose using any money collected at this exibit and fund more deportation in Escondido

Skip wrote on Mar 21, 2007 11:26 PM:Come on NCT, are your afraid or just supportive of illegals? I say afraid. Well, I'll be going down there today, since I don't have job anymore. I was outsourced by illegals, my boss told me that I was lazy. Not true, just because an illegal, not sure if he was illegal but he sure sounded like one, we he worked six days a week. I'm telling you I'm tired, this is not the same America I new years ago. We're being overrun. They don't have the values we have. Well now that I don't have a job I'll probably become more active in the illegal immigration arena.

Peter wrote on Mar 21, 2007 11:33 PM:How does guy like Sam Abed gets elected? That's the real question here.

Error wrote on Mar 21, 2007 11:40 PM:NCT you might want to check your story. Above your quoting Abed saying "[his] concern about this exhibit it is political propaganda". This cannot be his quote. Can this be from a guy that voted for a city orninace that would legally discriminate on the bases of ethnicity (rental housing)? He sure does not do anything for "political propaganda".

Wrong, Mark wrote on Mar 22, 2007 12:01 AM:As the exhibit clearly shows, the dividing of the city along racial lines is coming from people like Mr. Avalos and his fellow race-hustlers. The exhibit's far more revealing about the agenda of the artist than it is about the city of Escondido.

Hezbollah Ideology- Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia wrote on Mar 22, 2007 12:24 AM:Use your GOOGLE search engine. Enjoy!

Hick wrote on Mar 22, 2007 12:29 AM:Skip and morty's son should go pick fruit and clean bathrooms. There is always work available in those sectors. I know, that work is below Americans. Same ol story.

Skip wrote on Mar 22, 2007 12:30 AM:I forgot to mention, I don't need money to live. With what the govt gives me, a mix of food aid and a check on the 1st and 15th (I am not sure where the money comes from) who needs to work?

to morty wrote on Mar 22, 2007 12:51 AM:Professor Avalos is not an illegal immigrant. And your 25year old probably cant get a job because he cant pass a drug test. It took me one day to find a job that pays $17.25 and hour and i'm a college student. Maybe your son should look a little harder. Or maybe he likes to just sit and complain like his father. I'm sorry all the illegals took all the good jobs. I'll see if there is an opening at Taco Bell, my sister works there. And no we are not illegals.

To Morty wrote on Mar 22, 2007 5:15 AM:Last month you said your son finally got a job. Did he lose it already? The fruit is rotting as it stays unpicked, there is plenty of work for someone who actually wants to work.

Skip wrote on Mar 22, 2007 5:53 AM:Now we have a bunch of comedians posting on the NCT Blogs. That's OK because Americans can see through the lies, double talk. and claims of racism. It's tough for the Open Borders Activists when they cannot come up with logical and factual reasons to justify the ongoing invasion of impoverished and desperate refugees from failed foreign countries.

Well Peter wrote on Mar 22, 2007 6:03 AM:because there are people in this community who do not support illegal immigration and want it cleaned out of our fine city.

Yes Mark wrote on Mar 22, 2007 6:06 AM:and it is a shame that a few illegal alien activists that have no loyalty to the country or understanding of the laws have continually fought to destroy our city and the United Sttaes in general.

Jorge wrote on Mar 22, 2007 6:11 AM:It is a wonderful exhibit that everyone should see. It is a provides truly wonderful examples of how illegal immigration has worked to destroy our city. Once you see it you will have a new appreciation of how important it is to rid our city of this blight. Everyone from all the surrounding cities needs to see it as soon as possible so that they may learn the symptoms of this cancer that will soon take over their cities.

I will vote for Sam Abed wrote on Mar 22, 2007 6:37 AM:ANYTIME. Look at how our wonderful council woman was NUMERO uno during the election! Know why? CAUSE ILLEGALS CAN'T VOTE!!!! But they are working on registering illegally to have an effect and their supporters encourage their illegal behavior.

WWWWWAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!! wrote on Mar 22, 2007 6:55 AM:Does Sam Abed not believe in Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Expression. It does not surprise me that he would whine about this Art Exhibit he detests anything that represents the Latino Culture. I think Sam should reserve his negative opinions for the Dais as he does plenty of critizing and complaining in that forum. You Go Professor Avalos. I saw the exhibit and I think it is a beautiful message.

Skip wrote on Mar 22, 2007 6:59 AM:Wow ! There is a new "Skip" on the block. I am active duty United States Military. Last time I checked the United States Government was pretty careful about not letting Illegal Aliens enlist (not that too many would want to, or even care about this country). What makes me laugh about these other Skip's post is that eeven though he/she is trying to be funny, he/she still makes some valid points on why we need to stop Illegal Immigration.

dave from oceanside wrote on Mar 22, 2007 7:10 AM:As I see it the major problem here is that Mexico is too effortless a return trip for the local illegals. They, the illegals, don’t come here with the intention of becoming part of the great melting pot of people that make up this country. They wear shirts with sayings like “who is the immigrant here pilgrim”. These people don’t want to be US citizens, they want our services our rights and privileges’ and at the same time stay closely tied to Mexico. Illegal aliens hurt the legitimate immigrants granted US citizenship and especially the legal immigrants from Mexico. The legal Mexican immigrants now have to bear the unfair backlash of extremist viewpoints on Mexican people. Put up the border fence NOW.

Hey Sam... wrote on Mar 22, 2007 7:16 AM:Way to go... seriously. No sarcasm here. I support you 100%. You've made improvements down E. Valley Pkwy. You've got the future in mind. I loke your long term perspective. Keep up the good work. AND, I have a list of my neighbors homes where cars are parked on lawns or sidewalks - where can I email my list of addresses? I'd like to see that cleaned up too! Thanks for thinking of the future of our city and our neighborhoods!

One if by Land wrote on Mar 22, 2007 7:42 AM:When the Facts and the Law are both against you...Cry Racism,Cry Bigotry, Cry Meanspirited.Just WHO.. broke and overwhelmed our Immigration System our Social Services System our Schools and our Prisons?

Mike the Marine wrote on Mar 22, 2007 7:47 AM:I would be willing to bet that if there were an art exibition, critical of illegal aliens, at the Center for the Arts, the "support the illegals" crowd and the ACLU would have it closed and everyone would hear the screams for weeks. Thanks, Sam Abed, for showing how "inclusive" you and the rest of the city council are.

Eric wrote on Mar 22, 2007 7:47 AM:Maybe I will paint something really derogative about the leaders of those who support illegal immigration and do not care about the city. Let them support the California Center. Did I leave out part of the name? Wrong decision, Ms. Baseshore.

Bemused wrote on Mar 22, 2007 7:53 AM: Hey, Sam. Art exhibits are what democracy is all about, unless they have to meet the prior approval of an Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin--or a Sam Abed. If that were the case, as Miss Piggy would say, they'd be "booooooring!" And by the way, check out the exhibit again, because there was something the reporter missed. At the time Marco Gonzalez' car was cited, it was being serviced at a Mobil Station on East Valley Parkway. Who could the owner of that gas station be? Hmmmmm.

esteban wrote on Mar 22, 2007 8:04 AM:mark, I don't think the Minutemen divided the community. I believe that started when the Latinos marched last May and criticized the USA...where they now live!!!!! The Minutemen were a response to that action. So sorry...your comment is dead wrong.

To Morty: wrote on Mar 22, 2007 8:19 AM:Tell your 25 year old to go work in the agricultural industry. It is not that he can't get a job, its that he does not want to get a job.

Concerned-1 wrote on Mar 22, 2007 8:28 AM:To Mark: The City Council and Minutemen did not divide the city, nor the rest of North County. It was the graffitti, cars parked on lawns, uranation in the allies, and the on-going socialist/open border/third world agenda coming out of CSUCM that brought people to the forefront of the illegal immigration problem. And, FYI, the vast majority have no disdain for people of Mexican decent, just for people who steal their way into the country and then turn it in to a third world slum.

Sorry, Morty. wrote on Mar 22, 2007 8:34 AM:Your 25 year old can't get a job because he doesn't WANT a job. There are no 'illegals' being paid for this art exhibit. If you had read the article, you'd have seen that it was put together by a CSUSM professor and his student--neither is illegal.

Peter wrote on Mar 22, 2007 8:37 AM:To Morty maybee your ... son should have stayed in school. Send him to home depot some one will hire him, but he is going to have to break a sweat and get off the couch. I'm guessing he's thinking why bother Daddy Morty will take care of me!

Art wrote on Mar 22, 2007 8:39 AM:Come on Abed quit your crying Its called art wether you like it or not.

To Mark 11:09 PM wrote on Mar 22, 2007 8:40 AM:To Mark and a couple others who just can't comprehend the difference between legal and illegal: We don't hate Mexicans, we hate law-breakers. Why can't you understand that? The minutemen are trying to return some order to our great country while people like you want to reduce it to third world status. Please, just go back to Mexico and ignor Mexican law. You will much happier there.

Art wrote on Mar 22, 2007 8:40 AM:Get over it Abed its called ART wether you like what you see or not! Quit your dreaming and enjoy the Art the city helps fund.

Scott wrote on Mar 22, 2007 8:53 AM:NCT and CSUSM in cahoots with illegal immigration. NCT writer Describes both sides of the issue with a slant: your side is described as "immigrant rights activists" and the other side as "anti-illegal immigration groups". Who would have believed that a university of such young tenure would already be neck deep in the Berkley style of left wing liberalism. Maybe the "professors" should focus on teaching the curriculum to the students instead of standing on a podium voicing their negative opinions of the majorities rights to not support Mexico's runaway population. My opinion: Make Mexico a state. Eliminate their drug running military and politicians, fix their infastructure and make it a place people want to live. I'm sure if we fixed it for them they would want to go HOME, they sure don't make any effort to fix it themselves, they just run away and live off the American middle class, making it hard for everyone to create a better life for those who were born and raised here.

Molly and Jake wrote on Mar 22, 2007 9:02 AM:We recommend that Sam Abed take an art appreciation class, art history 101, and hope that he doesn't next propose covering up nude statues with clothes, because they might offend someone. Art is supposed to make you think. Or at least, feel something outside one's normal range of perception or emotion or thought. One person's creative endeavors might not be to the taste of another. So what. Most of the museums in the country are supported by some form of public money, and not everyone will agree with all the contents of the exhibits. Most artists would be happy if their work evoked a response, and got someone to think outside the "box" -- every time you open your front door it's politics. Every time you turn on you tv it's political propaganda. So what. Creative expression is the antidote to the unresolved politics. Heart matters.

Heady wrote on Mar 22, 2007 9:04 AM:North America! The United States Of America. God Bless America! There is a Savior of All Peoples--Jesus. Find and receive Him now. where should you wake up if not on this earth?

American wrote on Mar 22, 2007 9:14 AM:To Skip and Morty: I've never directed my word to someone who is openly ignorant, so excuse me if I seem uncivilized. Using illegal immigrants as scapegoats is a classic and convenient way to rationalize your self-proclaimed deplorable economic condition. I can certainly guarantee you gentlemen that there are other viable reasons why Morty's son and Skip do not have a job, and those reasons have absoluetely nothinig to do with illegal immigration. Anti-immigration activists love to point out to the "free" aid received by illegal, and how it is prostituing the health care, welfare, and education systems. Immigrant labor sustains this country in a big way. I'm sure you two would be the first to start pouncing if you got your wish, everyone was deported, and then we suddenly see a head of lettuce costing $10. The services immigrants give to this country are much more than what they take out. For example, the Social Security Administration has a revoling fund of over 1 billion dollars. Some is due to incorrect filings or other logistical errors. However, an official from the SSA said that most of it comes from manufactured social security numbers, possibly belonging to immigrants. People are paying into a system from which they will never get any retirement benefits. Don't take it from me-research the NY Times database to find the article. In short, if you are blaming an immigrant for your economic windfalls, it's time to self-examine yourself because somewhere along the line, you messed up, my friend.

American wrote on Mar 22, 2007 9:14 AM:To Skip and Morty: I've never directed my word to someone who is openly ignorant, so excuse me if I seem uncivilized. Using illegal immigrants as scapegoats is a classic and convenient way to rationalize your self-proclaimed deplorable economic condition. I can certainly guarantee you gentlemen that there are other viable reasons why Morty's son and Skip do not have a job, and those reasons have absoluetely nothinig to do with illegal immigration. Anti-immigration activists love to point out to the "free" aid received by illegal, and how it is prostituing the health care, welfare, and education systems. Immigrant labor sustains this country in a big way. I'm sure you two would be the first to start pouncing if you got your wish, everyone was deported, and then we suddenly see a head of lettuce costing $10. The services immigrants give to this country are much more than what they take out. For example, the Social Security Administration has a revoling fund of over 1 billion dollars. Some is due to incorrect filings or other logistical errors. However, an official from the SSA said that most of it comes from manufactured social security numbers, possibly belonging to immigrants. People are paying into a system from which they will never get any retirement benefits. Don't take it from me-research the NY Times database to find the article. In short, if you are blaming an immigrant for your economic windfalls, it's time to self-examine yourself because somewhere along the line, you messed up, my friend.

Curious wrote on Mar 22, 2007 9:18 AM:Would an art exhibit depicting the impact of illegal immigrants on our society be allowed to be displayed? If not, wouldn't this pro-illegal exhibit be considered racist? And why is CSSM (funded by American taxes) spending valuable time and money on promoting anti-American art?

It has to stop. wrote on Mar 22, 2007 9:21 AM:Escondido: What are we going to do about the debased politics of Escondido? Are we really so pathetic that a man as ridiculous and mean spirited as Sam Abed is allowed to represent our interest? Do you see the comments of his support network? Skip and Morty and no doubt more to come as the days go by. Are we ready to say these are the people that express the spirit of Escondido? There will be choices soon. Sam has to go.

Just goes to show... wrote on Mar 22, 2007 9:22 AM:that Abed is clearly insane. First of all, as I have noted before in these comments, where exactly did Sam Abed's family come from, and when? He's so hot on busting illegal immigrants, yet I've not heard him mention his own roots and *fully legal* path to US residency and/or citizenship. Judging by his "foreign" sounding last name, he may even be !horrors! a MUSLIM. Secondly, as commenter "Constitution 101" pointed out above, this is a free speech issue. Mr. Abed better get used to being publicly mocked for his outrageous opinions, and brush up on libel/slander laws (see Art Madrid of La Mesa for advice). I read nothing in the story that indicates that the materials were created by illegal immigrants, so "morty" is clearly misinformed as well. "Peter" asks the defining question: how does a guy like Abed get elected? How indeed?

Don't understand wrote on Mar 22, 2007 9:25 AM:Why would a professor keep the hatred going? The shirt "Who's the illegal alien pilgrim?" keeps this going. If I were a young Latino I would be hooting and hollering and take this to heart when this is said. It really doesn't matter who this country belonged to back then, it is 2007 and there is no going back and these ideas keep these young adults from moving forward. I am an "older" Latina and when I was taking Chicano Studies at Palomar a few years back I could hear the dislike for "whites" by some of the teachers, and yes the young adults would laugh and make a joke out of it. I then realized how much these teachers/professors could instill their ideas on these young adults. Again stop teaching these young adults about being victims and make them responsible for the future of this country.

What's Art? wrote on Mar 22, 2007 9:31 AM:For this art to take aim at Escondido's council members specifically mentioning them by name is an indication that it has a political agenda. It sounds more like propaganda than art.

Rock Springs Activist wrote on Mar 22, 2007 9:41 AM:For heaven's sake, it's ART. Back off, Sam. You're the one making this political. Just keep counting your gas profits and be happy. Note to morty: I'm no doctor, but I'd say your son's inability to gain employment has nothing to do with this exhibit.

Its Nuts wrote on Mar 22, 2007 9:44 AM:A Cal State professor and his students put this exhibit together - which means the taxpayers of this state contributed to the art work presented. How many more ways can our elected officials allow our money to be wasted? Go to school to learn something that benefits society and spend your own free time (and money) for self expression.

To Skip from Cindy G. wrote on Mar 22, 2007 9:49 AM:Do you know that you sound Idiotic? "was outsourced by illegals, my boss told me that I was lazy. Not true, just because an illegal, not sure if he was illegal but he sure sounded like one, we he worked six days a week. I'm telling you I'm tired, this is not the same America I new years ago." Yes it is the same America my friend and competition is the name of the game. Just because some guy is willing to work harder and longer than you does not make him "illegal"! You probably are lazy! As far as you becoming more active in the illegal immigration arena all I have to say is all we need is one more angry unemployed Yahoo blaming their hard knocks on others. So start playing the blame game if that makes you feel better. What does your comment have to do with Art or this article.

I am astounded! wrote on Mar 22, 2007 10:00 AM:How do ILLEGAL ALIENS get to have space in our American Citizens taxpayers building? How about a display of illegals cutting our fence, our property and sneaking across the border. The graffiti, the cars on lawns, the trash, the crime, the gang members, the overcrowded schools, the hospitals, the stolen SS numbers, the accidents, and so much more. And, no this is not about racism, it is about ILLEGAL ALIENS.

To Sam Abed wrote on Mar 22, 2007 10:00 AM:you Skip and Morty are what is wrong with America my Beautiful. Morty states "we have money to have illegals exhibit their art..." I went back and reread the article. No where does it state that the creators of this art were illegal. The article states, "The exhibit... was created by Cal State San Marcos professor...other area teachers, students and artists." Tell me exactly, who is the illegal alien? I didn't read that part. As for Skip, if your boss says you are lazy, maybe you are. Don't get mad at someone because they have a better work ethic regardless of their ethnicity. Be prompt, professional and have a good attitude. Any boss would be happy to have you as their employee. To Sam, if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. This art exhibit is protected by the 1st ammendment. It is what our forefathers fought for. As our council member it is what you should be fighting for. Quit yer belly achin'!

James wrote on Mar 22, 2007 10:11 AM:Morty's son should get off the couch and contribute to society in some productive way. I would prefer an illegal who works his butt off over some fat, lazy, dimwit American, any old day of the week. Americans are lazy.

morty wrote on Mar 22, 2007 10:14 AM:Hick, why do you support illegals so much? Are you one of them?

To Hezbollah Ideology wrote on Mar 22, 2007 10:18 AM:I have another seach topic you can Google: National Alliance. I'm sure you'll find the results more pleasing than Hezbolah's. Enjoy.

Dewayne wrote on Mar 22, 2007 10:20 AM:As a black man living in Escondido, I don't see how the browns have it so bad. Try being black in this town!

Leave the Art wrote on Mar 22, 2007 10:21 AM:AND Get Rid of ALL Illegals. If you want to live in the United States, get her legally. Get rid of them otherwise.

Skip wrote on Mar 22, 2007 10:22 AM:Hey, don't hate just because I think is ok for whites to receive welfare and unemployment benefits, but not illegals. These benefits are only reserved for those of us that deserve them for being American.

Concerned-1 wrote on Mar 22, 2007 10:24 AM:I enjoy the continuing saga of "morty's" son. Is Morty a mom or a dad. I always picture Morty as a mom.

mot wrote on Mar 22, 2007 10:26 AM:HEY MORTY WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO STOP INPERSONATING OTHER PEOPLE.HAVE YOU NO SHAME.?

Ray wrote on Mar 22, 2007 10:33 AM:Morty your son does not like to work! Mr. Abed propaganda is also what you and Waldron use their position for....

ruby wrote on Mar 22, 2007 10:34 AM:T

Dewayne wrote on Mar 22, 2007 10:38 AM:As a black man you should know that there is discrimination in America now and it is not a matter of black or brown it happens to women, minorities and low income honest people, as a minority yourself do not contribute and fall in this divisiveness that people like Abed and Waldron want to see, they want divissivness because it works best for them.

tired of mexicans wrote on Mar 22, 2007 10:42 AM:you have abused our good will, get out now!

ruby wrote on Mar 22, 2007 10:43 AM:Tell all your illegal residents. That read your paper. If you don't like Escondido's new rules. Then either move or go back the way they came here. People are glad the council is speaking up about them. This town is not Mexico. Go back and complain to your country..NO more free money, medical, free lunches, food stamps. No more of our social security.

Mike wrote on Mar 22, 2007 10:44 AM:Dewayne, its indifference that allows prejudice and racism to fester and grow. As a person of color one would think that you would empathize.

To Mark wrote on Mar 22, 2007 10:44 AM:Minutemen to lynchings in the South, wrong centuries guy! The Minutemen stood up to the rule of England and had the guts to fight for a government for the people by the people. Unlike the Illegals who rather than stand up to the corrupt people who run their country would rather sneek into another country and steal what they can because others fought for the freedom that lets them do this. Of course you won't see that at the Arts Center because that is to Truthful and may hurt feelings. Let's all pretend that if Mexico still owned CA it would look like it does today. Right! been south of the border lately. I don't understand why the Mexican people won't stand up to their government rather than the US government and demand change!

Juan wrote on Mar 22, 2007 10:45 AM:To Dewayne once they finish getting rid of us mexicans your next.

Hick wrote on Mar 22, 2007 11:46 AM:Morty, no I am not, buy lets not lose focus of your unemployed son's inability to do anything meaningful with his life. I don't want my tax dollars being used to give your son food stamps and unemployment benefits because he is too lazy to work. Get him out of the bathroom, off the couch, cleaned and shaved, and out looking for J-O-B.

Feck wrote on Mar 22, 2007 11:53 AM:There is no such thing as diversity in the Hispanic community. It's all for one race. How often have you seen the Latin community tackle any other issue other than their own agenda? What's worse, is they can hightail it out of here if things get rough...heasd right back to their "home." This is the only home we American citizens have. I've had it with celebrating Mexico. Revolution is on its way...

Ricky wrote on Mar 22, 2007 11:54 AM:Skip, I am tired of your self-righteous posts. Paying you to be on "active-duty" in the military is a complete waste of money. Instead of training, defending our nation, or doing anything productive, you spend all day posting misguided rants on here, wasting MY TAX DOLLARS! BTW, You are not as cleaver as you think. As far as I concerned, I am not sure whats worst, welfare fraud or paying you to wear a uniform so that you can play soldier all damn day. Earn your money or get out.

Abed's No Lion wrote on Mar 22, 2007 11:59 AM:MGM Studios (now Sony) has the roaring lion surrounded by the Latin inscription "ars gratia aris" or roughly translated, "art for art's sake". Lots of good, even profitable art. Lots of it has been propaganda, especially in WWII. Go see the exhibit, laugh, cry, feel. Sam doth protest too much.

Bill wrote on Mar 22, 2007 12:05 PM:I have been reading the posts regarding your unemployed son. I run a house-cleaning service (only legal workers employed) and need someone to help clean public bathrooms, including toilets, mopping, trash removal, and often minor plumbing (will train for this), since often homeless people will back up public restrooms. I can give him a job and get him a chance to get on his feet and off the govt tab. Its not prestigious work, but hey, it pays the bills. Let me know if your interested.

United We Stand- wrote on Mar 22, 2007 12:07 PM:Divided we fall! Federal Government where are you? You are responsible to remove undesirables and illegals from our county! A divided nation can only lead to a civil war. It happened in 1863. What if Europeans kept culture and language when they came here? Germans, Italians, French, Irish, Hungarians, Polish, Russians, Portugese, English, Swedish,Spanish, Greeks, Turks,and all the other Europeans! They all became Americans- and adopted the the American culture- because they wanted to be Americans- that is why they came! They learned English! They learned the new culture and forgot the old! DON'T WANT TO BE AMERICAN-DON'T COME HERE! Yes the Native Americans were her first- we can't change that. But California does not belong to Mexico-the land was purchased from Mexico, just as Alaska was purchased from Russia! I don't hear any complaints from Russians!

Deport wrote on Mar 22, 2007 12:19 PM:all illegals, let them enjoy art in Mexico! I am for Sam Abed, an AMERICAN!!!!!

Dean wrote on Mar 22, 2007 12:22 PM:Feck, Hispanics hightail out of here when things get rough? I wonder if you saw the article a few days ago about the marine, del solar, who came as illegal immigrant yet died in Iraq for us, best check your facts before speaking.

to skip wrote on Mar 22, 2007 12:28 PM:I beg to differ, illegals are allowed to enlist in the military.

ESCONDIDO wrote on Mar 22, 2007 12:31 PM:Since Escondido is a spanish wrod are you going to change it? Latinos also helped in the fundation of Escondido. Too bad we will keep coming...

Phil wrote on Mar 22, 2007 12:36 PM:TO United we Stand, I have never before seen such a distorted, twisted, self-serving, reading of history. Please, find local library fast and read true, objective scholarly work, stop getting your facts off the minutemen website.

Morty wrote on Mar 22, 2007 12:44 PM:Bill, I would like to hear more about the work you can offer my son. He's interested, except for the toilet part, but we can talk about this. Also, I can fight my own battles, SKIP, I don't need you to echo my damn thoughts. Your just hiding in the military because you don't to get a real job anyway, not better then my unemployed son.

Disgusted wrote on Mar 22, 2007 1:06 PM:I was digusted when I picked up the paper today and read this article. This kind of exhibit by a college professor and other teachers and students is completely tasteless! However, it's a good thing, in a sense, that Mexicans are drawing attention to themselves and how really disrespectful and greedy they are to others living here. I don't want to see a bunch of cars on lawns in my neighborhood! But lo and behold, a new family, or familys?, just moved in down the street and there are cars everywhere! I'm sure glad I didn't buy the house across the street before they moved in. It's completely disgusting and rude for Mexicans to trash our neighborhoods and care less about their neighbors. I didn't use to be prejudice, but you know what, I sure am now. Illegals or not, the neighborhoods are getting trashed and I'm so sick of it! They need to respect their neighbors, especially when we're all giving them handouts. I support Sam 100%!!!!!

fedup wrote on Mar 22, 2007 1:13 PM:the arts center should not be supporting ILLEGALS! where is the display for legal immigrants?

Racist? wrote on Mar 22, 2007 1:17 PM:Read your history books. Mexicans living in Texas and New Mexico territories wanted to sever ties with Mexico and become Americans. Mexico was not a Republic-Demcracy. Now Mexicians want to take America over. Sounds like an invasion to me. If Mexicans don't like life in Mexico they should either become Americans legally or return to Mexico and improve their country. Running away from your problems in Mexico just to destroy our way of life in America is hurting people on both sides of this issue.

Rock Springs Activist wrote on Mar 22, 2007 1:19 PM:Art is for all; from all. Have you ever walked into an exhibit and been told "oh my, you're FRENCH; you can't come in here", or "you look ITALIAN; no entry for you". Open your minds. Receive information. Embrace students that take the time and effort to put forth their ideas. They are our future, and your fate is in their hands. If that concept angers you it might be time to find a way to make immigration easier and less expensive for peoples who have no money to begin with.

morty wrote on Mar 22, 2007 1:23 PM:Let's not loose our focus here my good American friends. Is not that my son is lazy, the problem is that he feels that is wrong that he has to work with mexicans. This is America, he should work with Americans. So, after some consideration, I would have to say not to Bill, he probably employs mexicans.

Enough! wrote on Mar 22, 2007 1:23 PM:Evidently, you ALL have too much time on your hands! Instead of kvetching to each other, why don't you actually leave your house and find a REAL way to express your views and make a difference in YOUR community? For shame... Put your money where your mouth is!

Hometowner wrote on Mar 22, 2007 1:29 PM:Can someone show me how a gas station work order is art? How about the citation. Also a work of art? Defacing the State flag. Work of art? Political propaganda all of it.

Former Escondidan wrote on Mar 22, 2007 1:34 PM:What don't you citizens understand about ILLEGAL aliens/ILLEGAL immigrants?! Do you welcome all other ILLEGAL activities/activists as well, i.e., thieves, rapists, murderers?? Do you like your taxes paying for the illegals health care; educating the illegals; paying for the accident caused by a motorist who wrecked your vehicle, but has no license or insurance; incarceration; gangs? Mr. Abed is pointing out that the law-abiding citizen does NOT want the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT element there!!! ENFORCE the laws. DEPORT the ILLEGAL. If you illegals want to be in the US, get naturalized!

Rodney wrote on Mar 22, 2007 1:49 PM:Thank god us blacks are considered U.S. citizens, otherwise the whites would use immigration as a lynching tool, you know a tool that they use to alienate the "majority" against us. Whatever happened to "ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL", perhaps those like the minutemen believe that hte phrase is "All WHITE men are crated equal..."

Mike America wrote on Mar 22, 2007 1:59 PM:To Phil,12:36 pm; Perhaps you should go take a good long walk through Escondido and witness first hand what it is you "believe" you've learned so much about from the library. I don't care if you work and live at the library, without any common sense (your infirmity, obviously) you might just as well be sitting on the moon with a sack of gold.......SCHOLAR!

To james morty and hick wrote on Mar 22, 2007 2:01 PM:Don't be so sensitive, legal Latinos have no problem. As an American Latino I have worked in fields and have cleaned someone else's toilet. I did the jobs supposedly that no one wants to do. My American family also does construction work. If Morty's son prefers to sit and watch TV, as a legal American that is his given right. Why do you not understand it is not about color or race, it is about illegal. What is so hard to understand? We have laws to protect our country. To some I guess you pick the laws you like and ignore the ones you don't agree on.

Kingston wrote on Mar 22, 2007 2:13 PM:Hometowner, your incapable of understanding.

Hey Skip wrote on Mar 22, 2007 2:23 PM:Have you tried looking for a new job or are you just gonna stay home and collect the unemployment check like your minutemen buddies. You are a real loser!!!

Swede wrote on Mar 22, 2007 2:28 PM:I believe David Avalos' life is centered on the struggles of La Raza in Aztlan (or the Borderlands). A talented artist, he has succeeded in getting a taxpayer-paid job making political art to annoy the gringo and divide the races. He teaches a Chicano border region art class at CSUSM. We are to believe there is no border and that we live in the Borderlands, which is pretty much what Bush believes and much of Congress too.

CSUSM Adrift wrote on Mar 22, 2007 2:29 PM:Political propaganda is art? No! CSU San Marcos has lost much academic credibility, especially since Gerardo Gonzalez, the former head of the National Latino Research Center at CSUSM, came to the Escondido City Council under the title of Interim Associate Vice President for Research at CSUSM and claimed misuse of its research contained in the Escondido Mission Park report. However, a reader of the Mission Park report can only conclude that illegal immigration is a key factor causing growing poverty in the Mission Park area. (pages 15, 16 and 25) CSUSM's National Latino Research Center was founded by past President Alexander Gonzalez who has proudly pointed to his membership in the Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan (MEChA), a national organization for Chicano/a students. We have now come to the understand that MeChA is a racist organization that spreads a hatred of the 'gringo' invaders of Aztlan. Thus, a rational observation is that the NLRC at CSUSM is a platform for latino political hacks to spew out biased research under the guise of sound research using the respectability of the CSU system as cover. From this article, it appears that the CSUSM art department is another similarly structured La Raza front designed to promote illegal immigration. This lack of academic integrity appears to infect the entire CSUSM campus. Too bad the museum is getting sucked into this lame political propaganda of the Reconquista crowd!

Phil wrote on Mar 22, 2007 2:35 PM:Mikey, I do like to consider myself a scholar, something you clearly are not. Walk through Escondido, I live there clever one, and I refuse to state that every person of Latino descent is illegal, something you have no problem doing. Why? Because I refuse to be a bigot and racist. Unlike some others around here, MY CLEVER LIL ONE.

Chip wrote on Mar 22, 2007 2:40 PM:To the fella (Legal Latino) who also cleaned toilets, it is not just about be and not being illegal. Its about knuckleheads, the minutemen, and welfare-collecting people like Skip, who use illegal immigration to vile and hide their distaste for a whole group of people. Its not as simple as you make it sound. Although, unlike other misguided, poorly raised fools on here, I respect where you are coming from.

Greg wrote on Mar 22, 2007 2:48 PM:CSUSM Adrift, that's a nice sorry you tell, too bad its a bad mix of lies and fairy tale. Its a university smarty pants, people do and will have views that differ from yours, which are out of synch with most reasonable people. Don't disparage CSUSM because you couldn't go there.

Skip wrote on Mar 22, 2007 2:54 PM:I am just fine on welfare and food stamps, thank you very much.

Swede II wrote on Mar 22, 2007 3:00 PM:Completely agree with you Swede. Your complete understanding of the illegal immigration is impressive. But enough with words. Lets solve this the American way: vigilantism. Everyone, sharpen those pitchforks and light those torches. Lets send a message that in America those that are willing to do the most manial jobs, live under sustandard condtions, and put food in my table, are not welcome here, particulalry if they're not white!

COME ON RODNEY wrote on Mar 22, 2007 3:00 PM:wHY ARE YOU BRINGING BLACKS INTO THIS? PEOPLE HAVE DIED TO PROVE THAT WE(BLACKS) WERE WORTHY OF BEING AMERICANS. WE HAVE FOUGHT A LONG AND HARD UPHILL BATTLE, TOO LONG, AND TO HARD FOR ANOTHER GROUP TO RIDE ON THE COATTAILS OF MY HEROS. I AM AN AMERICAN WOMAN OF AFRICAN DESCENT, I AM AN AMERICAN. I WORK TWO JOBS, I AM EARNING MY 40 ACRES, FOR ILLEGALS TO JUST COME AND TAKE IT IS A SLAP IN THE FACE,AND GOES AGAINST EVERYTHING THIS COUNTRY STANDS FOR. DO NOT PUT ME AND MY FAMILY IN THE SAME CATAGORY AS THESE INVADERS

CSU Professor Strike wrote on Mar 22, 2007 3:05 PM:Another headline says that the CSU professors are striking for more money. If this racist La Raza propaganda is the result, I'm against any salary increases for CSU professors.

John wrote on Mar 22, 2007 3:15 PM:Rodney has what you call empathy. A lot of people died to make this country better, not just black folks. Lots of people are working for their "40 acres," your not special.

Assimilation wrote on Mar 22, 2007 3:43 PM:That's all I want. My European (legal immigrants) assimilated to the Indians. This is my land. All I want is for Mexicans the assimilate the same way us, Anglos, did when we came here.

Escalator wrote on Mar 22, 2007 3:50 PM:If we can have artwork from the Left, we should be able to have it from the Right. Calling all Border Rights Activists. Submit your artwork.

Diane wrote on Mar 22, 2007 3:55 PM:Okay ILLEGAL ALIEN supporters, or should I say, TREASONIST so called American citizens, I have a problem when you critize an AMERICAN Councilman who is trying to UPHOLD AMERICAN not MEXICAN Citizen rights. How many times do you have to be hit in the head??? ILLEGAL ALIENS have no rights in AMERICA, and to implement these so called rights to ILLEGALS is in fact an ACT OF TREASON against the United States. It's been enough, and time for WE THE PEOPLE of the UNITED STATES to take a stand and force our politicians, including our President, to uphold the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA LAWS AND CONSTITUTION!!!!

Frida wrote on Mar 22, 2007 4:01 PM:I don't care about Racists or the anti-Mexican Sab Abed. I am going to see the exhibit today! Thank you NCT for informing us about this exhibit. Art is like freedom of expression - can't censor! :)

Escondio Resident wrote on Mar 22, 2007 4:41 PM:I have lived in esco for about 5 years, and purchased a condo about 2 years ago. I will agree that illegal immigration is a problem in our town. now with that bieng said, I cant belive that these art producers are mad at the city writing tickets for cars parked on the lawns! come on if you want to be a part of the community you have to follow the rules i think its a good idea, and a good way to make the city more presentible. The city does need to do something about the gangs. at least once a week my fence and wall are covered with gang signs and mexican writing, every week they paint over it and the graffiti on top of that. I guess what i am saying is they need more of these little laws (parking of cars on lawns)to cut down on the tendencies of illigal immigrants. I love my town and i like the people white, mexican or black doesnt matter just respect it legally, visually and responsibly.

Singer wrote on Mar 22, 2007 4:53 PM:In response to Mark and any other Minutemen critics. I went down to see what they are doing, myself. Maybe you should do the same. They are living in horrible conditions so they can keep an eye on our borders which are an open invitation to drug smugglers. When they spot illegal traffic, they report it to the Border Patrol. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HATE!!! It has to do with the LAW! PERIOD!

GO SAM wrote on Mar 22, 2007 5:23 PM:I wasn't aware that illegals were protected by the first amendment....How can we as americans allow them to disrespect our government leaders? All of you who sit back and do nothing about this terrible problem are just as guilty.

Wonderful? wrote on Mar 22, 2007 5:25 PM:What is so wonderful about having a bunch of cars parked in your yard and able bodied men standing around during the day? It's a disgrace to our community. Have some respect for your property, your neighbors and your community.

To Art wrote on Mar 22, 2007 5:27 PM:"Art" is not an excuse to be disrespectful. "Art" is not something to hide behind. "Art" is not a way to spread ugliness.

New Exhibit at CCAE wrote on Mar 22, 2007 5:34 PM:Up next, a new exhibit showing what illegal immigration brings to Escondido.... Photos of overcrowded houses and apartments, too many cars in the driveways and front lawns, graffiti, overcrowded schools and hospitals, reports of drivers with no licenses or insurance, hit and run accidents. Of course, the ACLU would immediately be contacted and accusations of racism will abound even though everything is true. All of the illegal immigrants will insist that the exhibit be removed. Only in America do those here illegally feel they have the right to run things.

This is Not Art! wrote on Mar 22, 2007 5:48 PM:This is pure politial propaganda and not art. But an ad in the newspaper. Its disgusting that a university professor can't do better than this to make a name for himself. Shame on you! I hope those that see this exhibit don't take it as fact. It's just a poor excuse for a professor trying to get his 15 minutes of fame. What a cheap shot!

Wake up Frida!!!! wrote on Mar 22, 2007 5:55 PM:Sam Abed never tried to censor the exhibit. The article quotes him as saying , "I want this exhibit to stay." He is entitled to dislike the exhibit. If someone attacked you like that, called it art, and get it put up at public expense you would be irritated too. You need to accurately read and understand the article. That's where we get into trouble!!!

otto wrote on Mar 22, 2007 6:14 PM:for the next art exhibit, they can do "great politicians of mexico"

Skip ( The one against Illegal Immigration) wrote on Mar 22, 2007 7:01 PM:In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who enters an established community such as an online discussion forum and intentionally tries to cause disruption, often in the form of posting messages that are inflammatory, insulting, incorrect, inaccurate, absurd, or off-topic, with the intent of provoking a reaction from others. Well I suppose that That for people following the NCT Blog Forums for awhile have noticed that there are a few "Skips" now. I feel flattered, but I may have to change my name, but never my beliefs, nor will I stop exercising my constitutional right to express my opinion. I Vote ..... Do You.

We win!!!!! wrote on Mar 22, 2007 7:17 PM:Illegal alien "undocumented worker," or "undocumented immigrant." The pertinent federal agencies use this term for individuals who illegally enter or reside in the United States.The House of Representatives delivered the biggest sack full of immigration law enforcement goodies America has seen in ten years, by approving a heavily-amended version of H.R. 4437 on Friday, December 16. Even without the border fence, it was an unexpected early Christmas present.

stand tall wrote on Mar 22, 2007 7:30 PM:It is simply a matter of alot of smarts & time, my fellow Americans. There will be consequences for illegals breaking our laws, But we need to come together and make it happen. lets get together and discuss ways to have our voices heard. Remember we are dealing with Criminals!!Can we put all our energy into a movement and get our opinions off this page and into congress!!! We need to do something! Lets be proud Americans and take a much bigger stand!!!!We have Human Rights, lets fight for them NOW!!!!

Wesley wrote on Mar 22, 2007 9:13 PM:Mixing art & education with Racism. Food For Thought: http://www.house.gov/mccaul/ Irag's Learn Spanish Before Crossing to America! Senator Mc Caul's Website http://www.house.gov/mccaul/

TO PHILL- wrote on Mar 22, 2007 9:16 PM:Phil you should correct UNITED WE STAND with the "real history". Phil you sound like a troll never stating any facts, just critical about other people who try and present a view, but you never have an idea of your own! Phil United We Stand for your information is correct with history and facts. English is the most common language in the USA, yet you dispute this! Alaska was bought from Russia, yet you dispute this. US had a war with Mexico and obtained California and also paid for the land-and you dispute this! America had a cvil war, and you dispute this! PHIL-give us the reals facts SCHOLAR THAT YOU ARE!

Floyd wrote on Mar 22, 2007 9:21 PM:We already know what happens if you plan an anti-illegal gathering -- see "Carlsbad schools chief cancels forum on immigration" at http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2005/08/05/news/coastal/21_55_058_4_05.txt

CSUSM Adrift wrote on Mar 22, 2007 9:26 PM:Greg, you missed the point of my post. A read of the NRLC Mission Park report (pages 15, 16 and 25) shows that illegal immigration is a key factor causing growing poverty in the Mission Park area. My complaint is with CSUSM's Geraldo Gonzalez showing up at the City Council attacking such use of the report. His title was Interim Associate Vice President for Research at CSUSM. What he did not convey was that he was the former head of the NLRC at CSUSM, and a named reviewer and consultant on NLRC's Mission Park report. So why did he come to the City Council. To promote academic integrity? No! He was embarrassed that the report gave ammo against La Raza's reconquista movement. He was doing damage control for the NLRC using his interim title (VP for Research). He never stated his connection to the preparation of the report or his past affiliation with the NRLC. That is the foundation of my complaint about the academic integrity at CSUSM. This latest propaganda stunt just highlights that CSUSM is now a platform for La Raza political hacks.

Floyd wrote on Mar 22, 2007 9:33 PM:There was an excellent followup to the Carlsbad anti-illegal immigration meeting by one of the speakers in "Carlsbad beat heckler's veto" at http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2005/08/20/opinion/commentary/21_12_408_19_05.txt -- it stands the test of time and is still worth a read.

John wrote on Mar 22, 2007 9:33 PM:Sam Abed gives me gas... and charges over $3 a gallon for it too.

Esco Local wrote on Mar 22, 2007 9:40 PM:Councilman Abed needs to understand that it's not the art that's divisive, it's the actions of our City Council. This political art imitates life, Mr. Abed, and threatening to cut the CCAE's funds is an attempt at curtailing a clear First Amendment right.

to morty again wrote on Mar 22, 2007 9:46 PM:.. i really shouldnt be waisting my time on you.. but your son doesnt feels its wrong to work with mexicans? then you should probably move out of california, or the u.s. for that matter. it doesnt matter how many mexicans you deport, were always gona be here. does he feel the same way about working with blacks or asians? cuz there might be a problem there..

Skip wrote on Mar 22, 2007 10:28 PM:I vote..do you? I also collect govt assistance checks, do you?

Law abider wrote on Mar 22, 2007 10:30 PM:Illegals! Go home! The country you abandoned needs you much more than we ever will. If you turn your back on your own countries, how could you ever embrace ours?

Chuck wrote on Mar 22, 2007 10:34 PM:CSUSM Adrift, you once again missed the point. The words coming out of your mouth would make more sense if you turned off your ideological blinders.

Sam Abed gives me gas. ....too wrote on Mar 22, 2007 11:28 PM:12:14 PM Mar. 22 (TRAFFIC WEBLOG) VIA de LA VALLE reopened: Authorities have just reopened VIA de LA VALLE again. The street was closed fro