Pilgrim Church not alone in struggling to deal with sex offender

By: GARY WARTH - Staff Writer | Friday, March 23, 2007 1:23 PM PDT

The Rev. Madison Shockley of Pilgrim United Church of Christ in Carlsbad says all churches should have a policy to deal with sexual offenders in their congregations. His church has been struggling with that issue since January, when a registered sexually violent predator asked to join the congregation.
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Area churches may find a cautionary lesson in the ongoing debate about whether a Carlsbad congregation should allow a registered sexually violent predator to join them in worship.

"I hope everyone goes to their church on Sunday and asks, 'Do we have a safe-church policy?' " said the Rev. Madison Shockley, pastor of Pilgrim United Church of Christ in Carlsbad.

Shockley said he thought about such a policy only after being approached by Mark Pliska, who introduced himself as a twice-convicted registered sex offender who wanted to attend his church.

Pliska, 53, attended four services in January, and on the final Sunday of the month, told the congregation about his past: He was convicted of molesting two boys in 1983 and served six months in jail. He was convicted of indecent exposure in 1998 and served seven months in prison. Upon release, he was committed to a state hospital for four years.

Pliska has not attended church since, a request made by Shockley to give the congregation time to develop a policy for the situation.

Their struggle with the issue jumped into the public eye earlier this month when a parent of a student who attends the church-run preschool next door launched a petition drive asking the congregation to ban Pliska.

Media attention sparked a debate on local radio stations, in the press and on the Internet about whether the church would be irresponsible by letting Pliska attend or hypocritical for banning him.

"If I knew a year ago what I know now, I would have handled what happened two months ago differently," Shockley said.

Since meeting Pliska, Shockley said, he has learned that Pilgrim Church could have been better prepared by having a policy on sex offenders in place.

Many among us

Of course, Pliska is not the only registered sex offender in North County. According to the state attorney general's Web site, www.meganslaw.ca.gov, he is one of 443 living along the Highway 78 corridor between Oceanside/Carlsbad and Escondido. Considering those numbers, Shockley said it is likely that other local churches also have registered sex offenders in their congregation.

While Pilgrim's policy is still several weeks away from adoption, Shockley said, it would be likely to include psychological evaluations, escorts, and several other restrictions that would make the congregation more comfortable, as well as protect the offender from unfounded accusations.

Shockley said he has found many good suggestions in "A Time to Heal; Protecting Children and Ministering to Sex Offenders," by the Rev. Debra Heffner, director of the Religious Institute on Sexual Morality, Justice and Healing of Westport, Conn.

Heffner recently wrote about Pilgrim Church on her Web site's blog: "They did not have a safe-congregations policy, they did not have procedures in place for dealing with an accused or convicted sexual offender, their congregants had not been educated about the realities of sexual abuse prevention, and so now they are in a crisis situation about what to do. They are far from alone. Almost all of the congregations who contact me for assistance around these issues have not addressed them until a KNOWN sex offender is in their midst."

Heffner also wrote that every congregation probably has members who are sexually attracted to children. While sexual offenders who make themselves known and who agree to restrictions are not threats, she wrote, the ones who are unknown are potential threats.

"That's why policies for screening all volunteers who work with children, doing background checks for all staff and employees, having a two-adults-in-the-classroom rule, providing annual sexual-abuse prevention lessons to children and parents and so on are so important," she wrote.

Besides those restrictions, Shockley said, his church is considering a policy that would include background checks on all volunteers who work with children, which is now required only of employees.

Cool heads needed

A new policy also may see the church retaining a professional qualified to evaluate whether a registered sexual offender should be considered a threat.

Rancho Santa Fe resident Glenn Lipson, a forensic psychologist who has worked with county and law enforcement agencies regarding sex offenders, has spoken to the congregation and offered to perform risk assessment for Pilgrim Church. "The church is taking this seriously," he said.

Lipson said cool heads and accurate information are needed to help the church through this time.

One of the most inaccurate statements Lipson said he hears repeatedly is that all sex offenders will repeat their crimes. "Any reoffense is too much, but in the hysteria, (people) believe that anyone who commits a sex crime is going to go out and do it again."

Lipson said statistics from the federal government's Bureau of Justice showed sexual predators had a recidivism rate of one in 94, or 5.3 percent, over a three-year study that included California and 14 other states. A research paper from last August summarized findings of 79 studies and found a recidivism rate of 12.7 percent, he said.

According to the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics, the recidivism rate for other crimes is much higher. One study showed 67.5 percent of criminals who were released in 1994 after serving time for a violent, property or drug offense were rearrested within three years. A similar study showed a 62.5 percent recidivism rate for criminals released in 1983.

An organization called Keeping Kids Safe Ministry, in Nashville, Tenn., is another resource for churches facing situations similar to Pilgrim's.

"There's such a need to educate church leaders on how to deal with these offenders," said Greg Spores, the program's co-founder and a former Ramona resident who used to operate the similar Sexual Outlets Accountability Program in San Diego County before moving to Nashville and starting the new ministry last year.

Spores said he used to work in a prison, where he counseled sex offenders. There, Spores said, he noticed that more than 50 percent of the sex offenders attended church, a statistic he confirmed continues when offenders are released.

Keeping Kids Safe Ministry offers resources such as online training, phone consultations and on-site seminars to churches struggling with what to do when a registered sex offender joins their congregation.

Two different situations

Spores said churches usually face two situations: a registered offender who makes his past known, and unregistered offenders who stay hidden.

"The two different types are like night and day, and the registered offenders are actually doing pretty well," he said, noting that repeat offenses from registered sex offenders account for a tiny fraction of reported sex crimes.

Spores said he first advises churches that they cannot give unconditional trust to anyone who is a registered offender, but must ask the person to agree to a list of conditions before being allowed to attend services.

"We want to verify whether this offender is praying to God or preying on kids," Spores said. "We want to get the probation officer involved and also the local treatment provider, and we'll work as a team."

Spores said he trains about 25 churches a week. Information is available on the ministry's Web site, www.KidsSafeMinistries.com. Church officials also can attend conferences for $275 or put the ministry on retainer for between $30 and $55 a month. Churches that approach Spores for consultations generally want the offender in the congregation to stay.

"They want these offenders to succeed," he said.

When a minister first realizes a sex offender is in the pews, however, Spores said the initial reaction is panic.

"But then they start thinking about it, and they realize they're doing what a church is supposed to do," he said. "A church is supposed to be a place for sinners, and God offers forgiveness to all, even sex offenders.

"At the same time, a pastor has to keep his church safe, so it's a challenge for the church."

There are rules

Spores said offenders must agree to more than a dozen rules.

"He can't sit next to a kid," he said. "He can't be alone in the bathroom at church, because there's kids going in and out all the time. He's got to stay out of any area of the church where there's kids. When he pulls up, he goes from his car straight to the main worship area, and he's got to choose very carefully where he sits. He can't sit next to kids. Once church is over, he doesn't hang out. He goes right back to his car and leaves."

Spores said he believes it is good for society as a whole for churches to accept registered offenders, and he sees some harm in continuing to persecute them once they are released.

"You can go overboard sometimes," he said. "You can make it impossible for them to live, and then what are they going to do when they can't get a job? It's best to keep them busy, not having to move from one place to another. Eventually, they do give up, and then they may be a higher risk to offend again.

"It's not that we need to feel sorry for these guys, because they did it," Spores said. "But as a society, we can cause more problems if we frustrate them."

Contact staff writer Gary Warth at (760) 740-5410 or gwarth@nctimes.com.

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Pray or Prey wrote on Mar 23, 2007 5:51 AM:Excellent advise!

Jesus wept... wrote on Mar 23, 2007 7:02 AM:"He can't sit next to a kid," he said. "He can't be alone in the bathroom at church, because there's kids going in and out all the time. He's got to stay out of any area of the church where there's kids. When he pulls up, he goes from his car straight to the main worship area, and he's got to choose very carefully where he sits. He can't sit next to kids. Once church is over, he doesn't hang out. He goes right back to his car and leaves."

dt wrote on Mar 23, 2007 8:21 AM:Those free from sin should not even be in church!

Jesus didn't weep wrote on Mar 23, 2007 8:38 AM:I say he's escorted at all times (pews, restroom, etc...) and doesn't hang around kids at all (I'm sure the parent will make sure of this). Although, I believe he should NOT have to go directly to the main worship area, and he should NOT have to leave immediately. He has just as much right as anyone else to be there. This guy is a human, he's trying to become a better person. I thought Jesus was forgiving or something like that? Jeez...

--Not new in the churches wrote on Mar 23, 2007 9:29 AM:Believe it or not folks, God can change people! A lot of churches do have successful plans for these types of issues. Church should be a place where ALL sinners are welcome. We do not get to pick and chose those whom God loves. That's up to God. I'd challenge everyone to set aside what society tells you about your response to Mr Pliska - and search your heart for what is right to do.

DJ wrote on Mar 23, 2007 10:06 AM:While the church is "taking this seriously", I'm outta there. I don't let my kids play on the freeway either, tempting God. Seems an honest sex offender would choose night church services where no children are present, than put everyone through this.

Scott B wrote on Mar 23, 2007 10:11 AM:What is the matter with your religious beliefs? This is a case where instead of the sex offender hiding behind the cloth, doing the devils work while proclaiming to be a devoted spirit guided by the hand of God, at least you already know what he is about. Consider yourselfs blessed with this, and trust your faith!

Scott wrote on Mar 23, 2007 10:16 AM:This is what I would call a blessing for that congregation! At least instead of the sex offender hiding behind the cloth proclaiming to be a man of God while partaking in the devils work using his positon to spread and destroy young people and there families lifes forever. At least you already know what this guy is and has done. Count your blessings and lets see "PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH"!

DJ wrote on Mar 23, 2007 10:19 AM:Doesn't the church insurance provider have something to say about this? It's possible to be dropped due to liability problems.

DJ wrote on Mar 23, 2007 10:40 AM:The more I think about this, the more I think this is a homosexual issue. This man molested boys, not girls and there there has been a link shown between the two. This could be the beginnings of a showdown between Christian rights vs. homosexual rights.

Bill wrote on Mar 23, 2007 10:46 AM:I used to attend church regularly for years. I no longer do. I am not any kind of offender but my experince was that most people there were really not there to worship as much as it was a scocial club. They all said that God was #1 in thier lives but the reality was it was nothing but talk. Their lives reflected a diffrent story. I understand peoples concern about offenders but now is the time to walk the walk. I would agree that there should be accountability from the offender and controls. But I doubt anyone really gives this these guys a chance. We as a society have branded these guys as the worst. But how bout those of you who drink too much, or gamble.....or better yet, those who's families are neglegted cause you are too busy with church? Or how bout you guys late at night looking on the net thinking about what it would be like to do the things these guys do???? I thought the bible taught that it is what's in your heart that matters?? Just the thoughts of a guy who used to believe.

**This is why we don't go to church! wrote on Mar 23, 2007 10:51 AM:These churches harbor and give comfort to the enemy. Why can't all the predators just go thier own molestation church. Or better yet jump of a cliff. That way they can attend services with our maker in person! Who cares about these guys. They should be going to the jail church and never let out! What has this world become, that we worry so much about the animals, yet there are so many decent people in need!!!!

**Wolf in the Hen house! wrote on Mar 23, 2007 10:59 AM:This guy will never change. He has an appetite for molestation and abuse. The only thing that will solve this problem is death or life time incarceration! He will never heal or ever change! More children will get molested if this church knowingly allows this, get ready for a bankrupt church coffers. Just like the Catholic Churches!!! The Devil himself is twisting around this common sense choice. Thes eweak miniters do not have the strength to make tough decision. We are not of this world, but reside her ntil our maker calls us. It is our responsibility to protect those who have not violated the law or damaged society at it most innocent link (Our Children) Well Padre! What's it gonna be! Stand Up! Protect your flock! Do not be decieved by those who cause you to question the obvious. God is not a god who wants us to embrace this obmination! They will never change! I would never attend a church knowing that there is a animal so near my children. The church is a place to relax and feel the spirit! What relaxing spirit will anyone feel if you are alwasy wondering where the pervert its!

DJ wrote on Mar 23, 2007 11:05 AM:Bill, those who drink or gamble too much don't generally present as big a danger to children.

**Bill you are the serpent! wrote on Mar 23, 2007 11:11 AM:Use to to go to Chruch? Why are you protecting the predators! You feel a kinship with them?

**This is why I don't go to church! wrote on Mar 23, 2007 11:14 AM:I know lets all go to church and have the idiots preach to the masses. Lets have the predators rights be the only concern. You murder your out! You molest, your out! So I am just a sinner even if I murder someone! Is there anyone taking responsibility in these churches? ... If there evere was a reason to be athiest, that is it!

**DJ is right! wrote on Mar 23, 2007 11:16 AM:Comaring Molestors to drinkers is ridiculous! Please! Sexual deviants and alcohol abusers are not the same! What a lame excuse!

--Sounds like... wrote on Mar 23, 2007 11:17 AM:A lot of people need to check their souls.

--Sin is the same... wrote on Mar 23, 2007 11:19 AM:In God's view all sin is the same. He doesn't shun some people based on a "sin scale" - or whether or not it endangers children or merely adults. That's the glory of FORGIVENESS. We don't get to pick and choose who is "saved" or forgiven of their sins. Get over your sinning selves people.... this is between God and Mr. Pliska. And God still performs miracles. He still changes people.

**These naive fools who follow the lies! wrote on Mar 23, 2007 11:25 AM:The church apears to be a big scam! Making excuses for the lame rules they claim God has created. WHere is God! Has anyone in this lifetime that is alive actually seen him,. Do they have evidence, like video, etc. Do they have proof that he is all that he says he is? Why is it that we are raised with a mind to reason and yet we are asked to follow our faith on empty statements that are right out of a science fiction movie! People know the difference between right and wrong! If this guy is and was more concerned about having his thrills at the expense of children, then why should I support him to attend church and serve my children up to him. Further what kind of leaders are allowing the molestor to be taking care of and the rest of us who just want to be safe as we possible can! Why is it that Christian must be in a flock? Why can't we enjoy God as individuals! Isn't our relationship with God a personal relationship and decision. So basically we don't need to go to churches where everyone is changing the rukles to accomodate the molestors. Or the Adulterers, or theives, etc!! The Padre needs to step up and do the right and tough decision or he will loose his flock and have only the idiots and molestors sitting in his pews. Try and run a church on that! Rev Shockley is this the mountain you want to die on! Your church goes under and you could have done something! Your church will be known as the molestor church. That's a great cause to hang your Christian Hat on! At least I know whcih Church to stay away from and to warn my friends about!

**My soul is all about not molesting the children! wrote on Mar 23, 2007 11:28 AM:You don'r speak for God. And not all sin is the same! That is the mindless "Heaven Gate" cult crap that gets people in trouble. God doesn't see it all as the same. He see some sins, like Murder, Molestion, etc. as the most henious! He also gave me a brain to ignore the fools who would allow this animal amoung the rank and file of the church! Onward Christain Soldier! Against the molestors!

**Great is he does it again is he forgiven? wrote on Mar 23, 2007 11:30 AM:How about he molest your child after he asked to attend your church and then is he forgiving! How many times is he forgiven as he .. a child! Please you are crazy!

**Response to Sin is the same... wrote on Mar 23, 2007 11:33 AM:If it is between God and Mr. Pliska, then why is this Mr Pliska a convicted child molester allowed to ruin the safety of the rest of the flock! Tell you what, why don't you and Mr Pliska have a nice time in church together! This is why the churches are falling apart! Pretty clear why the regular people who are going to be in heaven do not go to these cult churches!

Maybe it is just another lie wrote on Mar 23, 2007 11:37 AM:The church and bible speak in a double talk manner. They teach vague rules that have no way to prove them. They use scare tactics to force those scared enough to attend and keep thier controlimng empires afloat! This is a bad move for those running the show. You want to reduce attendance and new joins to your church keep harboring the molestors! Why aren'y they creating or changing the names of these churches from First Baptist to the First Molestor Church of Carlsbad or the First Predator Church of So. California! Please, you Ministers will set the tone! Keep bring in the molestors and soon that is all you will have in your pews! End of Story!

yes - he'd still be forgiven by God... wrote on Mar 23, 2007 12:02 PM:That's the point of forgiveness... God's forgiveness is endles. But I can't say my lack of forgiveness wouldn't be there. That's one of the huge differences between my God and me. You have to understand - I'm not naive. I've had to testify in court against family members who have molested other children. And while I wouldn't allow any son of mine into the church restroom alone - I also wouldn't do it at an amusement park or gas station restroom. Molesters are everywhere. And it's the parents' responsibilities to protect the children - not the church's responsibility. Would I invite the guy over for dinner? NO WAY! Would I attend church w/ him - sure. We all need help. Some more than others. But how dare I say he can't practice his religion ... how dare I. That's not for me to judge. It's above me.

Bill wrote on Mar 23, 2007 12:24 PM:I agree that there is a diffrence between gambling, drinking and molesting children. There is no excuse to molest a child. But you missed my point. I was just pointing out the hipocracy of most "believers" and most churches. But one thing I have learned, those who are most vocal about a particular issue generally strugle with that issue themselves.

Wow what a bunch of Saints! wrote on Mar 23, 2007 12:30 PM:Comments like! How dare I judge him. How dare I not let him practice his religion! Please get off you high horses and smell the putird stench of molestation! This guy is looser and a scumbag. Enjoy your molestor and enjoy this Sunday's serices! He is not an honest man, he is an evil like no other! You fools are allowing the devil himself into the church to sit beside you! WHat a cult!

**Response to Not new in the churches wrote on Mar 23, 2007 12:31 PM:I just searched my heart and it said kick this guy out and commit him to lock down or jail forever! What did you foolish Heart say? Ha! What fools!

Lady this guy will molest! wrote on Mar 23, 2007 12:33 PM:Plain and Simple! You are the peson that leaves your wallet in the Burger King and can't understand why it has been stolen when you return in 5 minutes! What was that you say, It was God Will!" Your child gets molested by this guy as he has been invited into church, it must have been that perverted god's will again! Right?

**Response to: yes - he'd still be forgiven by God wrote on Mar 23, 2007 12:36 PM:So you say! What do you know? He would not be forgiven! He would burn in hell as he is intended to do so! Those who support him will as well! You harbor a false profit like this molestor who changes his image like the devil himself! You are as bad as he! Blessed are the those who support the Kingdom of God. Not those who would destroy it and all its Glory! You, who would support or blindly enbrace this predator serpent are as bad as he and will also burn in hell!

God isn't capable of change? wrote on Mar 23, 2007 12:41 PM:Let alone protecting our children ... God isn't capable of changing people either? Is that what you're saying?

Lawyers love this.... wrote on Mar 23, 2007 12:42 PM:....once one of the church's kids gets molested, who will pay for the deep pockets required after the court battle?

Chachinig! $$$$$$$$ wrote on Mar 23, 2007 12:55 PM:This church will pay out the nose! All ittakes is one allegation! I think it is great, finally let some of the fools pay for the damage! Invite in or get into bed with the molestor and you will pay for it!

Folks you do not need a church to pray to God! wrote on Mar 23, 2007 1:03 PM:So why is this an issue! These ministers want you to be under thier control! They want to make you feel guilty and keep paying them for the scam they are pulling! Many will continue to follow these con men, because they are weak and it would require them to look at themsleves and admit they were duped! Others will realize god is with us all the time. In your home and family away from these dens of inequity they front off as churchws! What a cult!

Been there wrote on Mar 23, 2007 1:04 PM:Where are the parents that are suppose to be watching their children? Why do parents lets their child run free in church and letting adults hug them? Children should always go with an adult or in twos to the bathroom no matter where they are. The youth teacher should always have an older helper to escort a child back to their parents or whereever. Knowing who the sex offender is, is an advantage, not knowing is scary. That person who hugs your child might just be a child molester trying to gain the trust of you and your child.

Keep paying the Minister wrote on Mar 23, 2007 1:05 PM:Theybgive you pathetic loosers hope that some how the magic of the Gods will save you miserable lives! Get life! Stop chasing Rainbows and all this witch craft they call Christianity!

These are Pagan Gods wrote on Mar 23, 2007 1:07 PM:These churches are nothing more than Pagan Idols with clean pressed robes, and maplewood pews. Pay enough money and God will like you more! Snake oil salesman! What a scam that is sanctioned by the US Government! The blind keep on coming to be exploited! Pagans!

Alf wrote on Mar 23, 2007 1:22 PM:What a bunch of judgmental people here! I will join in being judgmental. I sure am glad that I don't know most of you personally, but then again, given the sort of comments here, I wouldn't want to associate with those like "Lawyers" or "Wow" or "Maybe it is just" or "**This is why we don't go to church!" and their sorry demented ilk. Shaking hands with any of them would leave a stench 10,000 times worse than a direct hit from a skunk and have me scrubbing my hands until there was no flesh left, that's how dirty those sorts of "people" make me feel.

Bill wrote on Mar 23, 2007 1:26 PM:Chaching is right, look at the Catholic church and what it has paid out.

What if... wrote on Mar 23, 2007 1:48 PM:What if he just started attending church without a supervisor, without letting the community know? All of you people wouldn't even know he was a molester. You might even start a friendship with this man and invite him to dinner sometime. It looks to me like all of you "anti molester" people are just inviting him to maintain secrecy next time. Maybe you should get to know him a little bit to see what makes him tick. Make all the jokes you want, make all the threats you want... This is society and we have to deal with all types of people, be it good or bad. Why stop only at church, how about grocery stores, movie theaters, water parks, pizza joints, etc... In my opinion, it's better to be aware of things around you than to just shove the issue under the rug... I'm not saying I would be best friends with this man, nor would I let my kids around him, but I would be civil to him and even hold conversations with him. Get real.

just a thought wrote on Mar 23, 2007 1:56 PM:As a woman who has been molested, I thougt that I would voice my thougts. I think that all molesters should be in jail . But that is not reality. Our court systems lets them out to wonder around. So are we going to banish them away from the church? or are we going to help them as adults, and followers of GODS law. I think that we have a responabilty to protect our children. (I have 3) Yes! Keep them away from or children. For the courts have not. But not let us cast the first stone. Maybe GOD and church is what he needs so that he may not do that to another child. Maybe church will be able to reach him where the courts have not......

Monica wrote on Mar 23, 2007 2:34 PM:I'm glad I'm an atheist. As one I don't need to forgive sexual predators of any kind. They should NEVER EVER be allowed back into society. Does anyone read or watch the news? Just think about what happened to the latest victim of such a person.. Christopher Barrios in GA. People gave his killers chances and look what happened. Personally these people should be killed or locked away FOREVER. No chances.

To been there: wrote on Mar 23, 2007 2:42 PM:Now you want to ban HUGS? A child who is not hugged, both as an infant and while growing, will not thrive. They may even bcome the next molester cause of no hugs and warmth allowed by cold and unfeeling parents who think a molester lurks behind every corner, and most especially in church. Of course, there are scary people, and of course parens should teach and watch their children around strangers. But what is this world coming to if the 99% who would give a nurturing hug and kind words is repelled? You repulse me. What about school playgrounds? Do you tell your child not to touch the monkey bars as they might have germs on them? Beam me up Scotty.

WHERE ARE MOLESTERS? wrote on Mar 23, 2007 3:05 PM:Parents, go take a tranquilizer! When your head is on straight, do some research and then decide how to best protect yourself and your family. Where are YOU safe? In the mall? At the Post Office? Where do you let your guard down and let your children roam a bit? Every time I'm in the mall or store, children are tearing up the toy aisles, sitting reading books at the bookstore and WHERE RE THE PARENTS? Absolutely nowhere in sight. Anyone could grab your child while YOU are in the fitting room. Don't tell me you haven't seen children ALONE in the toy department! What better place for a deviant to prowl for his next victim? How about sports? Do you really know the background of the assistant coach? Oh, maybe he's never been caught and is not registered as an offender, but he is patting your child, hugging your child, embracing your child and you think that's so neat and normal. What about the library? You leave your child in the children section while you do whatever in another section? Anyone is free to 'look' in the library. Is the back door locked? How about playing in your own driveway? Who is in that strange car that keeps circling your cul de sac? What about the baby sitter? Such a nice young person you trust right? I'd much rather sit with my child in church NEXT to the admitted criminal than sit next to one who hides their sins. No, we don't have to talk to him, we're in church for a different reason altogether. Why give up our CHURCH and run away to a 'safe haven' that actually has 10 sex offenders no one knows abut, sitting in your section? What hysteria abounds and yet common sense is ignored. Don't stand under a tree during a lightning storm. And please, let's ban Halloween Trick or Treat - even if you go to 'known neighbors' - takes but a minute to slip in poison. Don't buy dog food, it could be contaminated. Give this church a break - they didn't go out and solicit Mr. Pliska as a member. Why attack the minister and congregation? This church reaches out and does so much good in the community. Other 'upscale' churches don't want to acknowledge homeless and crippled people. Give Pilgrim a chance - shut up and let them figure this out. If you are a member and want to quit, so be it. Who will miss you? Your child at Pilgrim School? Take them out today! Dare you to find a better environment of safety, nurturing and yes, LOTS OF EYES WATCHING EVERYTHING that comes and goes. How will you determine the 'next school' will be safer? If your life is run by fear, what time do you have left to give LOVE to your family? Please don't get caught up in hysteria that is not killing thousands of our children in a war. Oh, just one more thing, do you let your teen wear a shockingly itsy bikini? The beaches are not locked - no gates and no escorts for other guests. Look at yourself before casting stones every which way but sensibly.

Disclose all your sins: wrote on Mar 23, 2007 3:15 PM:Pliska was open about his past, which is something he didn't have to do. “No church that I know of has a sign at the door that says, 'Please disclose your criminal history before you walk in,' (text taken from a former news article). Think upon this. Do YOU disclose your sins on your church application? Okay, okay, molesters are a different 'breed' but do you really know if other molesters are members of your church, just hiding their past? To me, they are the dangers lurking, not one who is KNOWN and seeks to only worship, willing to be escorted, watched, etc.

grab that bible wrote on Mar 23, 2007 4:18 PM:I think just about every child molester who ever passed through the gates of a state penatentiary know to grab a bible and proffess thier sins and beg forgivness from god. The prison churches are packed with repentant perverts who count on some christian doo gooder on the parol board to have sympathy for them so they can get out again. There is probably a small minority of them that dont' commit the same crime or worse but I would not be willing to bet my 5 year old twin sons on it. Sorry go find god in whatever hole it is you found to live in.

DISGUSTED wrote on Mar 23, 2007 4:35 PM:ISNT CHURCH ABOUT FORGIVENESS I BET IF JESUS HIMSELF WALKED IN AS HE LOOKED WITH THE LONG HAIR AND THE BEARD YOURTWO FACED CHURCH WOULDNT ACCEPT HIM NO I I LOVE JESUS BUT CAN NOT STAND ORGANIZED RELIGION AT LEAST I DONT HAVE THE DARK HEART YOUR CHURCH HAS, WHEN YOU ALL GET TO MEET THE LORD YOU WILL HAVE SOME SPLAINING TO DO!~!

I'm With Alf wrote on Mar 23, 2007 5:54 PM:I am sure glad I don't know those of you who are hateful and unforgiving. And hypocrites! WHERE ARE THE MOLESTERS nails it. Everywhere you go you see small children running about unsupervised. Restaurants, stores, parking lots, for crying out loud! You people are sickening.

One Man wrote on Mar 23, 2007 11:07 PM:At the age of 5 or so, I was molested, raped, betrayed by the Lutheran Minister's 15 year old son. That very brief encounter of probably 15 minutes damaged, warped my life. Today I am 68 years old and still have needs for recovery which I am still working on. I never heard from that molester, I never received any request for forgiveness from him nor his father. I believe Jesus is my Savior and the healer of my soul. And I forgive that molester. And forgiveness is for my recovery and for my own forgiveness. the perpertatrator has to do his own salvation. Some authorities have stated that a child molester is unable to change. Once a molester, always a molester. A molester could try a 12 step program. A molester could seek to repent, but how do others know? And these are as the days of Noah and as Sodom(y) and Gomorrah. So protect your children, love them and talk to them a great deal. My parents were silent thru much of my own pain and experience. I forgive them, too. I want to be a healthy and a vital person. I forgive And my forgiveness does not condon what the perp did. And forgiveness may even insist upon the perps punishment and jail. Turn to Jesus.

Yes, where are molesters? wrote on Mar 23, 2007 11:42 PM:Thanks to WHERE RE THE MOLESTERS for the only sane and sensible post here. Why aren't all drunk drivers (DUI losers) forced to have huge banners in their back windows identifying them? Would you then drive behind them for long? How about every other 'sin' and crime? Please don't rank them for me and say they are not 'as bad' as an admitted molester. Does your chld enjoy sleepovers? Have you checked the background of all who live in that sleepover home? How about the movies where it is dark? Someone else suggested checking the inernet 'regisered' offender map. That's a start, but do you realize only a small fraction of actual predators are registered or KNOWN? It took youngsters years, even decased to report Priest molestations. Too bad as they just continued thinking no one would tell. And I just knew some wacko would bring up the snake lawyers just waitng for an allegation against mr pliska that would drain the church coffers Why do you let your child ride a bike to school or walk? How many of you leave your child home alone after school, a latch key kid? I think you all should have expensive alarm systems onn your homes, all kids should have cell phone turned on in church, school everywhere so they can report any 'stranger' who smiles at them. Of course I am sick in heart and soul for the precious little ones who have been victims and grieve for their families as well. Adult rapists? Hang them! Murderers? Cut off all their fingers. Go ahead make a list and you determine their punishment. Make one to not allow them in churches to worship. Oh, and for the preschool paranoia, homeschool is certainly a better option, right? There is no simple solution or answer as some of you seem to insist. And some of you re so warped I can't believe the posts were allowed. Why not have a burning at the stake for Mr. Pliska? All you saints are forgiven for hiding your sins! HA!

Molesters aer allowed where wrote on Mar 23, 2007 11:55 PM:What does the law say about registered sex offenders? Seems like most of you say they cannot attend church as most likely they will offend in church. Gag. They can walk freely into the library, toy stores, amusement parks, community parks, beaches, boardwalks, movie houses, shopping malls, bicycle paths, ice cream parlors, restaurants, thrift stores, carnivals, holiday events, parades, and the list goes on forever - every place where families might go with their 'flock' and not be afraid. But be afraid in church? Of course molesters are not allowed to live iwthin so masny feet of schools, but who is already in the schools that have no 'record' or been supsected of being deviants? Good grief, lock your doors, stay inside, get attck dogs, stop all life as it is known in the land of the free. Crime is everywhere. Hope you won't be the one who is so terrified of Mr. Pliska that you will be a victim of hit and run befoer you can even get to the church protest group. Now I'm going back to normal tasks, ones that might make a positive difference in this world.

unconditional love wrote on Mar 24, 2007 1:19 AM:With an open scaling fee Spores would be marvellously enchanting. uncondtional love is already active within Spores.

allyHM wrote on Mar 24, 2007 9:13 AM:I realize we are talking about a specific individual who committed a specific and horrific crime. But do any of you reliaze that, in most states, the sex offender registry includes more than just child molesters and rapists? For example: if any of you, at the age of just-turned-18 had sex with your "15-but-will-be-16-next-week" year old girlfriend/boyfriend and his/her parents pressed charges, you would be on the registry, and your crime will be listed as either statutory rape or lewd and lascivious behavior with a minor. Should you be banned from church? The registry also includes people who have urinated in an alley or behind a tree, mooned their high school principal on the last day of school....the list is quite long and quite inclusive of many types of "crimes" that truly are not predatory behavior. As a society, we have been brainwashed by politicians to believe that all sex offenders are predators when predators actually account for only approximately 10% of the people on the registry. You may well ask "why?" The answer is simple: money. You see, every state's sex offender registry is funded by federal money. The more people you have on your registry, the more money you get from the feds. Soon, everyone will either be on the registry or know someone who is. Tell me, how effective will the sex offender registry be then? My point: you may want to think long and hard, search your own heart and soul and reflect on your own past sexual and typical teen behavior histories before you opt to ban the registered sex offender who wants to attend your church. And you may want to question your local and state representatives next time they want to pass another sex offender law.

Jean wrote on Mar 24, 2007 10:45 AM:I don't know how some of you people can actually think of yourselves as Christians. Who are you to say the man should burn in hell or spend the rest of his life being punished, ostracized, and branded? How do you know he hasn't repented? He's wants to go to church. That's a good sign. From what I've read, many of you had better brush up on the teachings of Jesus. It doesn't even sound like you've read the Bible. Jesus forgave all sinners. The Lords' Prayer says, "Forgive us our sins, as we forgive those who sin against us." That means if we don't forgive, we won't be forgiven either. May God help you to see your self-righteous selves for who you really are, and change your hearts. This guy didn't even sin against you and you're still unwilling to forgive. He paid for his crime in ways we probably can't even imagine. As Christians, we are instructed to live as Christ lived. Many of the comments I've read here are not at all Christlike. I can understand being afraid for your children, but there's an easy solution. Watch them and accept resonsibility for them. Jesus also said, "Be not afraid." It sounds like you are so afraid of this man you've lost all sense of reason. Either that, or you're downright hateful. Jesus instructed us to love our enemies. It's not easy, but to do otherwise is anything but Christian.

To Jean wrote on Mar 25, 2007 6:22 AM:Christianity is only one belief system and not without sin. By your values it's each for himself. What if a Muslim child was molested. Would that not also be a crime. Sin shouldn't be allowed to hide behind religion. I've never seen the organized religion that I could respect. That's why I classify myself as spiritual but not religious. I don't believe that your God is above mine.

To allyHM wrote on Mar 25, 2007 7:45 AM:Can you give a link or reference where those types of sex offenders are listed? I've looked at hundreds of sex offenders here in Calif. and have yet to see one of the types you listed. All are forcible rape, or molestation under age 14 etc.. And most of the molesters are fairly old men, not 18 year olds. And public urination is often used by molesters as an excuse to the police when in reality they are exposing themselves. And if memory serves, I believe you have to be arrested and convicted 3x to be registered for that specific offense.

Jean wrote on Mar 25, 2007 8:14 AM:Molestation of any child is a sin. No one here is saying sin is acceptable, or religions other than Christianity are unacceptable. I'm sorry if I gave that impression. But anyone who professes to be Christian, as many here do, shouldn't be quoting Old Testament scriptures to justify hatred, revenge, ostracization, unforgiveness, etc. Followers of Christ base their faith on the Gospels of the New Testament which include the teachings of Christ. I'm amazed at the number of Christians who think they are righteous when the fact is, all of us are sinners. Christ taught "judge not," and "it is mine to avenge." He also taught tolerence toward others and forgiveness of ALL sins. Most religions have the same basic teachings about how to live and treat others, but not all believe Christ died and rose to save us from our sins. One thing that makes our Country great is the variety of, and tolerence for different religions, or no religion at all. What's unacceptable is mass hysteria and lynch mob mentality, especially when the facts prove sex offenders rarely re-offend. There are over 600,000 registered sex offenders in the US. The horrendous cases we hear about in the media, are the abberration not the norm regarding former former sex offenders. When we read or hear news reports about a horrible sex crime, there is no balance. The reporter should also state that there are approximately 600,000 on the registry who have not reoffended. Most people have no idea how they are misled, misinformed, and lied to by the media. Politicians lie about the US Department of Justice statistics regarding sex crime, which state only 3.5% of former sex offenders go on to commit another sex crime, to get votes. The media does it because they are lusting after ratings, and realize sensationalizing and exaggerating the facts sells. It's about the money. Each state receives Federal tax dollars for every name on the registry. The more names, the more money. That's why the definition of "sex crime" has been expanded to cover more offenses. Most former offenders are trying to rebuild their lives. Many have families who are also affected by the venom represented here. Whether or not we believe in any religion, nurturing negative emotions like those expressed here hurts the one who harbors them even more than those they are directed toward. Medical studies have proven negative emotions cause illness of the mind and body. If we can't or won't forgive because we think others don't deserve to be forgiven, we should do it for ourselves and those we come in contact with. When we are being hateful, vengeful, resentful, and unforgiving we are not good company for anyone, including ourselves.

allyHM wrote on Mar 25, 2007 6:17 PM:Someone asked for specific information regarding sex offender registries and specific offenses I referenced earlier. It depends on the state as to what warrants being on the registry. In Florida, the majority are NOT predators. And not all registries show the date when the crime occurred. For example, let`s say you were convicted of lewd and lascivious behavior with a minor when you were 18 after having consensual sex with your 15 year old girlfriend, and it happened years 30 years ago. You are now 48, married with your own children, and suddenly - due to a recent change in the law that is retroactive to all sex offenses back to 1970 - you are on a public registry as a sex offender. On the Florida registry, you would appear at your current age (48), no date would be listed as to when the offense occurred and the answer to the question `Minor?` is `yes`- no age of victim specified. Therefore, you look like an `old man` who molested a child. Many offenses carry the charge `lewd and lascivious behavior` including public urination and mooning. If a minor is present, then it is increased to `lewd and lascivious behavior with a minor`. See how it works? The registry wouldn`t actually say `public urination` or `public exposure`; it would say `lewd and lascivious behavior`. Now, I can`t say what I have stated here is true in all states, only Florida (and my understanding is this applies in NY, CA, TX among others). I urge you to check your state`s registry and actually look at the information on each offender. How vague is it? Does it specify date of crime or age of victim or perpetrator at the time of the offense? It can really fool you if you accept the information at face value and don`t dig deeper to get the full facts.

unconditional love wrote on Apr 10, 2007 9:52 AM:congratulation on being in NYT ...and on finding that Pliska lost his job and still maintains faith in G's unconditional love. Wonder_ful_!!! A(ll)_men !!!

me wrote on Sep 20, 2008 9:04 PM:i wonder how many of you are supposedly christians that are judging and desiring suffering on people who had a past of a sex offence. you know jesus died for every sinner. but as long as you hang on to your hate you will be not in gods house. as a matter of fact sex offenders will be in heaven and you will be in hell forever. at least sex offenders only have to live in this hell temporarily is forgiven. not all sex offenders need to be treated this way. what will you do when one of your family members get caught? most sex offences happen by reletives.
these laws are wrong and you that hate people of any kind will burn in hell.sex offenders cannot even go to church where church is for sinners not the perfect in society. judge not lest ye be judged.unfortunately the scarlet letter placed on these individuals endangers you and your kids more instead of rehabilitation and support. registries have the opposite effect of helping. all this put on the sex offenders causes problems in thier life that can cause reoffence or even a act of mass murder. see how rediculous this is? its pretty bad when someone is treated like a pariah that molests a kid but someone who murders a kid and does not molest them is not treated as bad. god bless you and good luck, you'll need it sooner or later.

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