Neighbors turn out to voice concerns about Eternal Hills plans
By: PAUL SISSON - Staff Writer | ∞
The front entrance of the Eternal Hills Cemetary in Oceanside on Friday.
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OCEANSIDE -- From the back of the room, a Fire Mountain homeowner had a few simple suggestions that would assuage his concerns about plans to dedicate more land at Eternal Hills Memorial Park for burials.
First, Don Lindsay, who lives on El Dean Road, which parallels the cemetery's western edge, suggested moving seven planned mausoleums away from Fire Mountain Drive.
"Just to be polite, stick them down in the bottom out of sight," Lindsay said, jabbing his finger at a large map on display in a meeting room at First Presbyterian Church on Tuesday evening.
Lindsay, who said he walks his dog on an undeveloped portion of the cemetery's 130-acre property at El Camino Real and Fire Mountain Drive, noted that the site slopes to the north, away from public roads and private property. He, and many others who spoke, noted that if the buildings were moved far enough north, they would not be visible from Fire Mountain Road.
"The lower you put them, the less people can see them," he said.
Though Eternal Hills owns 130 acres, it is currently using only 44. Cemetery officials say they need approval from the city to use 24 more of the acres they already own for burial plots and mausoleums, which would house cremated remains. Cemetery officials say using more acres for burials would extend the cemetery's life 20 to 30 years. Officials say that without the additional acreage, coastal North County's only large public burial site would run out of space in two years.
Others who spoke noted that the cemetery's proposed development plan, as outlined in an environmental impact report, would put several mausoleum buildings on a half acre of land where archeologists have discovered American Indian remains.
Mel Vernon, of the San Luis Rey Band of Luiseno Indians, said he would like to see the site preserved.
"We don't want to lose our cultural site. We like it as it is," Vernon said.
Project consultant Ann Gunter of the Lightfoot Planning Group, hired by the cemetery's owners to help create the expansion plans and shepherd them through the city approval process, said that the owner plans to restore more than 11 acres of coastal sage brush habitat and set aside about 30 additional acres of existing habitat to make up for developing the site.
After many in the audience indicated they did not agree with the idea of trading an archeological site for land elsewhere on the cemetery's property, Lindsay suggested his own solution.
"Take the archeological site and make it part of your cemetery," he said. "Make it a wonderful place that people can visit within your cemetery."
Residents said they did not mind seeing the cemetery as they drive down Fire Mountain Drive. But many questioned plans to plant trees and other plants between the public drive and the cemetery. They worried that doing so would present a wall of plants that would keep them from seeing the surrounding countryside.
Chuck McDonell, who lives on Fire Mountain Drive, suggested that the cemetery would be much better off developing an eastern portion of its property along El Camino Real.
"That would eliminate all of the concerns that everybody is talking about here tonight," he said.
But Gunter replied that the city has designated the El Camino Real portion of the property as a "wildlife corridor."
Not all of the public comments were negative.
Ann Mortland, a Fire Mountain resident for years, reminded her neighbors that they are much better off with a cemetery next door than they would be with a large residential development like the looming condominium project nearly finished at Vista Way and Rancho Del Oro Drive.
"I think we have literally been so blessed," Mortland said.
After the meeting Debbie Allen, manager of Eternal Hills, said the team of consultants working on the expansion plan will huddle and try to find a way to address all of the community's concerns. She did not say whether moving the expansion to the east along El Camino Real would be pursued.
"We have to find a balance, that's what we have to do," Allen said.
-- Contact staff writer Paul Sisson at (760) 901-4087 or psisson@nctimes.com.
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John wrote on Apr 25, 2007 1:59 AM:Last time I talked to a dead person they diddnt answer. the dead dont care folks,
Lawson..... wrote on Apr 25, 2007 3:31 AM:How much land do the San Luis Rey Band of Luiseno Indians think they should own? Eternal Hills now owns the property. The San Luis Rey Band of Luiseno Indians should butt out!
If you want it preserved wrote on Apr 25, 2007 7:00 AM:If you want to preserve the land then simply buy it from Eternal Hills. Amazing that neighbors would complain about a freaking cemetery. What could be more neighborhood friendly, it is almost like a park with no visitors!!! Amazing, El Camino should develop the land with condos, that would show the whiners!!!
flbkboy wrote on Apr 25, 2007 8:41 AM:who's private property can I go trespass on to walk my dogs, and then tell them how to develop their property. bug off trespasser.
Get the Facts wrote on Apr 25, 2007 8:50 AM:The Fire Mountain neighborhood is entitled to view preservation- this is what they are talking about. Read the Land Use Element.
Get the facts before the negative stuff wrote on Apr 25, 2007 9:46 AM:First of all, pls read the draft environmental impact report that's out right now. You will find that the land they want to build the really ugly mosoleums is habitat, so they really can't build there. No one could! The residents at the meeting were supportive of EH, but want the expansion project tweaked, so that the scenic view of Fire Mountain can be preserved for "eternity." Since EH doesn't have a right to build it, and they have to get permission via a conditional permit to expand, why not work with the residents to get the best project possible? Don't we all deserve it? BTW -- the 2 years is not accurate. They have plans through 2017.
charger fan wrote on Apr 25, 2007 10:45 AM:Let's use the land for Charger parking, the dead won't mind, they will not hear the tailgaters or see all the trash leftover.
View Preservation wrote on Apr 25, 2007 1:42 PM:Unfortunately, there is no view preservation in the City of Oceanside. Citizens need to request/insist view preservation like in the city of Del Mar and Torrance, CA. Why not Oceanside?
To View wrote on Apr 25, 2007 2:38 PM:There is not a citywide view preservation ordinance but the land use plan guarantees it as do portions of the coastal act. The bigger question is why won't the new pave-over-everything troika support story poles or a view ordinance? Many citizens would like to see these and some mentioned it at this meeting.
OOPS! wrote on Apr 25, 2007 5:00 PM:Someone - PLEASE get the bird dodo off the sign in the picture for Eternal Hills!!! Looks bad and the rest of the exterior could use a cleanup while they are at it! What a shame a place of reverence is in such shabby shape! Even the grass at the garve sites is dying. Who is the Maintenance crew out there? Replace them Pleassssse! I visited my parents gravesites last weekend and my Dad would have a fit if he thought he would wind up in such a mess of a place, surrounded by the dirt from the excavation and from the graves being dug daily!! They don't even bother to cover it up. It looks like a bad construction site. What a mess!How long has it been since the grass was replaced? How about just thatching it and put the fertilizer on and water the place. I can't believe we paid that much money to see this happen in such a short period of time! I think it is time for all of us to look at other Cemeteries who care and are not just in the New York Stock Exchange grabbing stock money.
Mortician wrote on Apr 25, 2007 5:33 PM:This sounds like something from the movie "The Loved Ones". I can see Jonathan Winters speaking in front of the board of directors of his cemetary, "How can I get rid of all these stiffs?" Do they have the Eternal Flame option, and then for more money they don't turn the flame off at night?
Show some.. wrote on Apr 25, 2007 7:45 PM:real dignity, that is your name, is it not? I attended a service in the last month and while the staff was certainly not a real drawback, the woman with the two way radio and trench coat that looked like a wanna be Gov't agent sure left a lot to be desired, and the honchos that came to lower the casket into the grave after she flashed them a piece of paper, they looked like they were hired from the hiring hall that morning. Compared to everyone else, a lousy way to end the service. Hey, and while your at it, the whole place is looking pretty tired. That mobile shelter thing, mold is growing all over it. The grass is in need of a transplant and we don't need Fire Mountain Drive to feel like the Death Star trench while driving past walls. The sign in the picture, thats not all bird poop, thats poorly procured signage materials provided by the lowest bidder. The green neon monstrosity looked better, during the day. At night it was horrid. But when they plastered the 'Dignity' on there, that cheapened the whole thing.
Lawson..... wrote on Apr 25, 2007 8:44 PM:Story poles are a waste. An accurate 360 degree computer-generated rendering is more effective!
John wrote on Apr 27, 2007 1:04 AM: As for the views, the three-deep hedge of trees Service Corporation International, Inc., (owner of EH and the world's largest company in what it calls the "deathcare" industry) proposes along Fire Mountain Drive will never be approved. There is simply no reason for it as no one lives at Eternal Hills. Views can only be enjoyed by the living, not the dead. Who would enjoy the view if those trees are planted? Virtually no one. The City of Oceanside will never allow the beautiful views enjoyed by the many people who live, walk, jog, and drive along Fire Mountain Drive to be confined to property where no one lives.
Residents since 1940 wrote on Apr 30, 2007 8:40 PM:The complainers need to sell their homes and move closer to Camp Pendleton to see their precious mountains. But then they would complain about the bombs and cannon fire. What about the families who bought burial plots believing that their descendents would also be able to buy plots and be buried near their relatives? Now they're supposed to go pack sand? The complaining residents bought homes that destroyed the views of people already here. They let you build your homes. You did buy next to a cemetary. You didn't see it?!!
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