How stupid can they be? wrote on May 13, 2007 9:03 PM:Read articles about why National City pulled out...it's the money stupid. Oceanside would be insane to think they can ruin central O and put millions of dollars into infrastructure on the backs of its citizens. Grow up for heaven's sake!

to How Stupid wrote on May 13, 2007 9:55 PM:Yeah, right!!! read the article, obvioulsy you are ill informed and did not read the article. National City did not own the land and there was opposition from the port, in addition to 400 million in infrastructre improvements that for the most part are not necessary in Oceanside.

North County Rymes wrote on May 13, 2007 10:18 PM:That should be your name. You only quote KFC on any issue. What a joke!

Common Sense wrote on May 14, 2007 12:06 AM:Kudos to National City for exhibiting Common sense when it comes to spending community tax dollars. Just like San Diego's experience with the Chargers, National City has enough common sense to cut bait and let Oceanside and Chula Vista be the bait for each other. I can guarantee that whatever is proposed it will not be in the best interest of the residents - $$$$ and developers have priority - neighborhoods and residents do not exist with the majority of this City Coouncil.

No Chargers In Oside wrote on May 14, 2007 6:26 AM:Come on Chula Vista ... you can do it. Lock this down quickly. This OSide resident is losing sleep over the possibility of Goat Hill being used for this monstrosity!

to stupid wrote on May 14, 2007 7:38 AM:have you been to central o? it's a dump. get informed before you spout off.

Fergit It! wrote on May 14, 2007 7:58 AM:While it sounds very cool, think about it. The Chargers have a good season now and then, but they're basically losers. Do we need that in North County?

NoCounty'r wrote on May 14, 2007 8:45 AM:Driving by the potential stadium site, should say crawling by, this should be a cluster ... if they build it. Think the trolley and Coaster are going to solved the problem? I think not. In any case, I hope Oside does win and build it for the 12-14 events a year. And it will be growing grass the other 350 days of the year.

Go Chargers! wrote on May 14, 2007 9:20 AM:...all the way to Chula Vista! No free lunch for Spanos! Want land? Buy it like anyone else! What a novel concept. But.. that golf course is 'parkland', which also means 'for sale' in Oceanside.

Re: to stupid wrote on May 14, 2007 10:41 AM:I happen to live in Fire Mountain, within walking distance of the proposed site, and my neighborhood is no dump. In fact, it's one of the most charming neighborhoods in the city. That's why we picked it. Of course that charm will be history if this moronic plan goes through. Maybe you need to explore something more than your own backyard before you spout off!

Osider wrote on May 14, 2007 11:10 AM:Bring on the Bolts! Oside has the best location and resources than any other city. Wake up and smell the revenue Oside!

What about progress? wrote on May 14, 2007 11:37 AM:This stadium, (if built) would be a springboard for the city. As it stands the city depends on tourist dollars for money. Imagine if the stadium was on a 5 year rotation for the Superbowl. That is a financial shot in the arm every 5 yrs. If high end office spaces are bulit then some of you don't have to drive so far to get to work, for those of you that don't have a job then here's your opprotunity, for those that need a second job, look no further. For those of you that are worried about the land being given away, the ongoing rewards outway the onetime deal. The only thing that matters is if and how much of the tax payers money is used, and cost overruns and that should be the concern. If we help people obtain jobs then the crime level would drop and people would have a since of worth. Please stop with the NOT IN MY BACK YARD! Noise.

Greg in Oceanside wrote on May 14, 2007 12:18 PM:It's a no-brainer, and it only makes good busniess sense for the Chargers to come to North County, more specifically Oceanside. There would be only 8 games a year, with maybe a couple pre-season games. It's not like a whole season of baseball, or an amusement park that has much more activity and traffic. Look at the area around Wrigley Field where the Cubs play. Those properties are worth a lot of money and it's a great place to go. The same would be for Oceanside. The opponents need to look at this objectively and see the positives rather than the negatives.

To What About Progress? wrote on May 14, 2007 12:39 PM:Oh this stadium at Goat Hill could be a springboard alright. A springboard to lower property values in the area and the destruction of quality of life. A springboard to increased vandalism and other minor crimes that take place around such venues. These are only a few items and they will be a problem on a day to day basis. Not just on game day and not just once every 5 years. More has to be considered than how much taxpayer money would be involved because far more than money will be expended for a project such as this

To Greg wrote on May 14, 2007 12:44 PM:Fabiani has said repeatedly that the Chargers would look to utilize this facility 365 days a year so we're not just talking about 8-10 games (days) a year. We're talking about a 365 days a year disaster that would plague the area and ultimately the city when the area around the stadium starts to look like they do in every other major city I've ever been to ... a slum that I wouldn't even want to park my car in let alone live near or visit. It would be easier to see the positives if there were more of them.

What about progress? wrote on May 14, 2007 12:55 PM:Please explain to me how a stadium can lower proptery value? Have you looked at the surrounding community that the current stadium is on? And anyone that has lived in O'side longer than 20 yrs knows the the mojority of O'sides crime is located in specific areas. With the stadium built at Goathill the current crime situation will deminish,why? because of increased police patrols that's why. If the voters allow the stadium to be built, don't you think the city will take every step to ensure the safty of it's investment? And the surrounding community benefits from the increased police presence.

Bill wrote on May 14, 2007 1:15 PM:... And WHO pays for that added police presence???

To What About Progress? wrote on May 14, 2007 1:16 PM:Please explain to me how a stadium can raise (or even maintain) property values. The added noise and traffic (on and off the road) will be enough to turn most buyers away when it comes to spending $600,000 and up on a home. And those are just two issues that come up with these types of projects. Now I have to be honest and sayd that I've never been to Qualcomm, but I have been to Petco as well as several other stadiums located in places such as LA, Phoenix, Denver to name a few. Not one is anything I want to live next to. In fact, I stopped going to games in Denver because the surroundings were so dingy and dangerous it just wasn't worth the risk. My one visit to Petco left me shocked & surprised to find my car was still where I left it. I won't go back. They all look bright & shiny in the beginning, but also all seem to end up dark & depressing which always reflects on the area around it. Do I think the city will take steps to ensure the safety of the investment? No way. I've been to several city council meetings and seriously question whose interests are being held most dearly because it sure doesn't seem to be the citys. Again, money is more than what this location will cost a large number of taxpaying citizens so money is only a fraction of what needs to be considered when making a decision about this project.

scbolts wrote on May 14, 2007 4:14 PM:Of the two choices, the stadium SHOULD DEFINITELY be built in Oceanside. Why? Because all the North County high schools that DOMINATE prep football would only have to travel a short distance to win their championships. NO CHULA VISTA!!! Too darn hot/too close to the border/too much traffic. Following our first couple SB victories (within 2-3 years of course), Orange County and LA county will want a piece of the Chargers pie... Then, the chargers should move to ORANGE COUNTY and change their name to the SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA SUPER CHARGERS! Because Anaheim nor LA will be getting an NFL franchise anytime soon.

To scbolts wrote on May 14, 2007 7:11 PM:So we should sacrifice property value and quality of life for some random high school football games? Tell me you're not serious!!!

A Fire Mountain Resident wrote on May 14, 2007 10:01 PM:I want this decision to be all about me. All about my petty interests and opinion. I do not want anyone else to matter, it is all about me. Only worry about my bottom line. See you at the ballot box, WELCOME TO OCEANSIDE CHARGERS

More What about progress? wrote on May 15, 2007 3:30 PM:If you know so much about the crime areas in Oside then maybe you should tell the police and they can 'increase presence' in those areas.... Oside problem solved! What about progress? for Mayor!

scbolts reply wrote on May 16, 2007 2:39 AM:no, not serious about the dominating north county football teams... you mentioned you'd hate to sacrifice property value and quality of life... are YOU being serious? having the chargers in oceanside would definitely change things, but i believe the positive changes would far outweigh the negative ones in the form of potential revenue. like goat hill isn't just a big waste of space anyway...

O'side Realist wrote on May 22, 2007 7:26 AM:Hey, To What About Progress, are you serious?? You said that a stadium would bring lower property values, petty crime, and vandalism?!? Have you ever lived near a stadium??? I lived by Qualcomm for a few years and it was a clean and safe neighborhood. And that was before all the building that went on down there. It is beautiful down there..... Check into what is REAL before you spout out about that you THINK may happen.