Republican presidential hopeful John McCain speaks with local reporters outside a technology conference held at the Four Seasons Resort Aviara in Carlsbad on Tuesday.
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Republican presidential hopeful John McCain speaks with local reporters outside a technology conference held at the Four Seasons Resort Aviara in Carlsbad on Tuesday.
CARLSBAD -- In a brief visit to North County on Tuesday, Republican presidential candidate John McCain defended the Senate's immigration reform bill against critics, including some local lawmakers.
McCain, R-Ariz., is among a bipartisan group of about a dozen senators who negotiated the controversial immigration bill that would give an estimated 12 million illegal immigrants a chance to legalize their status. He is also one of about 10 candidates seeking the GOP nomination for president.
McCain was in Carlsbad to speak at The Wall Street Journal's All Things Digital D5 Conference at the Four Seasons Resort. He gave a brief interview to a group of local reporters prior to his talk.
During the conference, McCain answered questions from Wall Street Journal reporters on the country's technological competitiveness and government regulation of the Internet. The crowd was made up predominantly of technology industry executives.
In his remarks before the conference, McCain said the immigration bill takes a comprehensive approach that includes stronger enforcement at the border and bringing illegal immigrants out of the shadows to improve the nation's security.
"We cannot have 12 million people in America where we don't know where they are and what they're doing," McCain said. "Since 9/11, this has become a national security issue."
The Senate immigration bill would make some of the most substantive changes to the nation's immigration system in 20 years. Among other things, it would create a guest worker program and adopt new criteria for future legal immigration. But the proposal has been criticized by both liberals and conservatives.
Some Democrats have called the bill too harsh on immigrant families, while some Republicans have called it amnesty for people who broke the law by coming into the country illegally.
In his comments to reporters Tuesday, McCain took on some of those in his party who call the bill amnesty.
"Anything short of rounding up 12 million people and deporting them is called amnesty by the opponents of this legislation," he said. "I'll point out that (illegal immigrants) will have to pay back taxes, they'll have to pay a fine, they'll have to go back to their country of origin, and it's at least 15 years before they are in anyway eligible for citizenship."
McCain's comments came shortly after President Bush also defended the bill during a speech in Georgia. Bush said opponents "determined to find fault with this bill will always be able to look at a narrow slice of it and find something they don't like."
One of the staunchest opponents of the bill's legalization provision is Rep. Brian Bilbray, R-Solana Beach, whose district includes Carlsbad. Responding to the president's speech, Bilbray said in a statement Tuesday that the public wants stronger border enforcement, not amnesty.
"Amnesty for 12-20 million illegal immigrants isn't a 'narrow slice' (of the bill), it's the whole darn pie," Bilbray said. "The American people want us to secure the border and crack down on the number one incentive for illegal immigration, which is illegal employment. They don't want another amnesty."
On other matters, McCain said Tuesday that people should give the president's new strategy for Iraq a chance to work. Bush's plan, outlined in a speech in January, would raise U.S. troop levels in Iraq by 21,500 -- from 132,000 to 153,500. It also calls for the Iraqi government to increase its own forces and to do more to quell sectarian violence.
"I don't know how long it's going to be necessary," to keep the military presence in Iraq, McCain said. "I know it's going to be very tough because we mismanaged the war for a long period of time. I think we are showing some successes ... but I also understand that there are some difficult challenges."
McCain also told reporters that California and other states' decisions to move their presidential primaries earlier in the year to gain political influence is "not good for America." He said there is not enough time for voters to get to know the candidates.
"It's just been collapsed way too early," McCain said. "Now it's all too quick. It's not healthy for the process, but I don't have anything to do with it, I have to play by the rules as they are."
-- Contact staff writer Edward Sifuentes at (760) 740-3511 or esifuentes@nctimes.com.
John wrote on May 30, 2007 2:13 AM:As a former Bush supporter, all Ive got to say about this bill is Balderdash, Contact your reps folks Write ,Phone Email, Visit, whatever ya have to do, This bill just plain sucks.
Catherine wrote on May 30, 2007 2:21 AM:SECURING our borders are imperative for a secure America. We cannot be a symbol of freedom and liberty to the world, when we the citizens are prisoner to a treasonous government that threatens to chain us with the weight of involuntarily supporting criminals who flood across our borders. If they stop the demand for cheap illegal labor by enforcing current employment laws and shutting down several major companies who employ illegals, the rest will take notice. As the jobs dry up, illegals will stop entering our country and those here will go home to Mexico when landlords can no longer rent to criminals without a heavy fine. Send them back (It is do-able)and enforcing law is the answer...NOT AMNESTY! If this bill is past, it will be impossible to keep AMERICA from falling from the inside. If illegal aliens and insecure borders continue to exist, our infrastructure will crumble as literally as did the World Trade Center towers. Unfortunately, the victim of such a tragedy will not be only one city. It will be the entire NATION and all of her people. As I see it, those who would give cause to this (BUSH, MCCAIN, GRAHAM, CLINTON, OBAMA, KYL, CHAMBLISS ETC.) are no more patriots than those who buried those airplanes into one of the greatest symbols of American ideals.
John McCain = Backwards logic wrote on May 30, 2007 2:22 AM:Not all illegals want to come forward, or enter the system. At what point will our representatives decide to fund enforcement of existing laws, when the new amnesty fails as miserably as the 1986 attempt?... Enough already. No new laws, just enforce the laws that are already on the books. "Presidential hopeful, John McCain", he'd have better odds buying a lotto ticket, then becoming the next president. I'm tired of being sold out, by those who are supposedly representing us legal residents. Remember us, the voters? Thank you, Brian Bilbray.
Escondodo wrote on May 30, 2007 3:15 AM:I know people who have been in the USA for several decades and feel no need to become citizens. They like things just the way they are, being on extended vacations from their true homes. US rights and benefits - yes, please; US citizenship and responsibilities - no thank you.
pablo wrote on May 30, 2007 3:56 AM:Zitizenship n. Status available exclusively to lawbreakers. Purchased for only $5,000. A standing whereby a person gains all the rights and benefits of a citizen, but none of the responsibilities. I am totally fed up with illegal immigrants and will never vote for any politician that supports any version of amnesty for any of them. Please: Secure the borders. Mandate all employers verify an employee’s eligibility to work here. Enhance immigration law to make anyone found to be in this country illegally after a date certain (say 90 days from the president’s approval) ineligible for a visa, guest worker status or citizenship at any time thereafter. Make possession of false ID and/or the use of a fraudulent SS number by anyone found to be in this country illegally punishable with immediate mandatory deportation. Make the manufacture and/or sale of stolen or false ID by anyone (legal citizen or illegal alien) punishable with a minimum 1 year in prison.
Mary wrote on May 30, 2007 4:07 AM:1. Security doesn’t come first in this bill. This bill would immediately legalize illegal aliens that are currently in the country. The only way Congress will actually see to it that the border security and enforcement provisions in the bill will be implemented is if they have to do them before they even consider an amnesty for the people who are here. 2. Illegal aliens won’t have to pay back taxes — where do we get the same deal? The whole idea that illegal aliens shouldn’t have to pay the taxes they already owe for working in the United States is utterly and completely offensive because it actually gives them a privilege that American citizens aren’t getting: forgiveness for taxes owed to the IRS. 3. If passed, this bill will make taxpayers pay the legal bills for illegal aliens seeking amnesty. Tucked away on page 317 is a provision that would allow lawyers in the federally-funded legal services program to represent illegal aliens, which they are presently barred from doing. 4. This bill rewards illegal aliens for breaking our laws. There are tens of millions of people who respect our laws and our country, waiting patiently, in line, often in their home countries, to get a chance to come here. Under this bill, illegal aliens will immediately be eligible for a “Z Visa” which allows them to work, go to school, and — this is important — stay here for the rest of their lives if they so choose because there is no limit on the number of times it can be renewed. 5. The bill gives the government only one business day to conduct a background check to determine whether an applicant is a criminal or a terrorist. It is impossible, of course, to determine in a single day whether someone is a terrorist or a criminal. 6. In the bill Section 601(g)(2), illegal-alien gang members would be eligible for amnesty merely by signing a “renunciation of gang affiliation.” 7. Gang-bangers and other criminals, who have been ordered to leave the United States by an immigration judge but defy the ruling, are called absconders. Section 601(d)(1)(I) permits U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services to grant an absconder a Z visa anyway if he can show that being forced to leave the United States “would result in extreme hardship” to the alien, his spouse, parent or child. 8. The bill effectively shuts down our immigration-court system. If an alien in the removal process is eligible for the Z visa, the immigration judge must close the proceedings and offer the alien the chance to apply for the amnesty. 9. If ICE officials apprehend an alien who appears eligible for the Z visa (in other words, just about any illegal alien), they can’t detain him. Instead, ICE must help him apply for the Z visa. Rather than initiating removal proceedings, ICE will be initiating amnesty applications. It’s like turning the Drug Enforcement Agency into a needle-distribution network. 10. To qualify for the Z-visa amnesty, an illegal alien need only have a job (or be the parent, spouse, or child of someone with a job) and come up with a scrap of paper suggesting he was in the country before Jan. 1 of this year. Any bank statement, pay stub, or similarly forgeable record will do. Expect a mass influx unlike anything this country has seen before, once the 12-month period for accepting Z visa applications begins. These rules are an open invitation to sneak in and present a fraudulent piece of paper indicating that you were already here. 11. As promised, the bill will legalize most of the 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens now in the country via a new “Z visa.” Each would pay $3,000 - only slightly more than the going rate to be smuggled into America. This is not up front. They will have eight years to pay it back. 12. Supporters of the bill call the Z visa “temporary” - neglecting to mention that it can be renewed indefinitely until the visa holder dies. Thus, we have the country’s first permanent temporary visa. On top of that, it’s a super-visa - allowing the holder to work, attend college or do just about anything else. Are you a law-abiding alien who’s interested in switching to this privileged status? Sorry. Only illegal aliens can qualify. 13. The bill increases legal migration by at least 50 percent over the next decade by granting green cards to all the remote relatives who are in the chain migration categories, a number estimated at 750,000 to 900,000 a year. That is triple the current number of 250,000. Giving green cards to millions of additional relatives ensures that legal immigration will continue to grow as this larger pool of permanent residents brings in spouses. 14. The bill claims that bench marks must be met before amnesty/guest-worker provisions go into effect. But the bench marks fail to require that the U.S.-Mexico border be closed, fail to require that the border fence be completed as mandated by Congress in October and fail to require that the Department of Homeland Security implement the entry-exit visa system so Americans can know if visitors and guest workers actually leave. The border security part of the bill calls for a 370-mile-long fence on the U.S./Mexico border. That is only half as long as the 700-mile-long fence ordered by the Secure Fence Act passed overwhelmingly by Congress and ostentatiously signed by the president in front of TV cameras just before the November 2006 election. 15. Another bench mark is that “tools” will be provided to prevent illegal immigrants from getting jobs, including requirements for identification standards and an employee verification system. But the bill lacks a requirement that anybody actually use the tools. 16. The costs of the Senate immigration bill are mind-boggling. Unbelievably, the Senate has made no attempt to estimate this costs or how to how to pay them. The Heritage Foundation’s Robert Rector puts a potential price tag on this bill of $2.5 trillion, which is five times the cost of the Iraq war. 17. At least 60 percent of illegal immigrants lack a high school diploma, which means they will work low-wage jobs, pay little or no income tax, and be heavy users of our schools and means-tested social benefits such as Medicaid, school lunches, Women, Infants and Children Program, subsidized housing, the Earned Income Tax Credit, and free legal counsel. 18. Fiscal costs would go up dramatically after amnesty recipients reach retirement. Each elderly low-skill immigrant imposes a net cost - that is benefits minus taxes - on U.S. taxpayers of about $17,000 per year, according to the Heritage Foundation. These costs would hit Social Security and Medicare at the very time Social Security is expected to go into crisis. 19. Section 413 calls on Congress to “accelerate the implementation” of the Security and Prosperity Partnership - announced by Bush in Waco, Texas, in 2005 - so that the United States can “improve the standard of living in Mexico.” Do U.S. taxpayers want to take on the awesome economic burden of solving poverty problems in Mexico? 20. The Senate immigration bill states that the United States want to increase access to credit for “poor and under-served populations in Mexico,” and expand efforts “to reduce the transaction costs of remittance flows” from the U.S. to Mexico now running at $23 billion a year. That is money made in the US but transferred out of our economy. 21. The Senate bill also puts the United States into a “partnership” with Mexico for “increasing health care access for poor and under-served populations in Mexico,” for “assisting Mexico in increasing its emergency and trauma health care facilities,” and for “expanding prenatal care” in the border region. Do U.S. taxpayers want to take on the awesome economic burden of solving problems in Mexico? 22. The Senate bill authorizes 4,000 new Border Patrol agents, but doesn’t require that they be trained or deployed. 23. Last but not least. Illegal Aliens will receive instate tuition. Illegal aliens would receive a taxpayer subsidy worth tens of thousands of dollars and would be treated better than U.S. citizens from out of state, who must pay three to four times as much to attend college. In an era of limited educational resources and rising tuitions, U.S. citizens, not aliens openly violating federal law, should be first in line to receive education subsidies. 24.Health standards ignored – Z-Visa holders are not required to be given medical examinations and immunizations. Z-Visa applicants and permenant residents are two peas off the same pod. Both can live in the USA as long as they want. Permenant residents are required to be given a medical examination and immunized but Z-Visa holders are not. All aliens, including Z-Visa holders should be required to be given medical examinations and immunized. They are living and breathing in our country just as permanent residents. The health and safety issues are one and the same. TB or Leprosy anyone? SWEET! 25.“There are no serious assimilation components to the legislation.” Dual citizenship, naturalized Americans voting here and overseas, non-English classrooms and multilingual ballots all thrive, despite McCain-Kennedy’s “comprehensive” scope. “Assimilation” appears only once in this legislation, and not until the 343rd of 347 pages. “Americanization” never emerges. SWEET! 26. The amnestee doesn’t have to know squat in English to get probationary status or a Z visa. After four years when seeking to renew the Z visa the first time, he only has to take — not pass, just take — the naturalization language test or be on a waiting list for English classes. “Learn English” only happens after eight years, and then it’s not actual mastery of the language. SWEET!
Fed Up wrote on May 30, 2007 5:31 AM:I suggest voting all of them out! Starting with our two Senators, that do not represent us.
Robotech wrote on May 30, 2007 5:44 AM:Make crossing our borders illegally a FELONY. This will give some bite to the Law. It has been tried three times in 20 years. The latest attempt in Jan 2007. It was voted down. Secure the borders PROPERLY. Keep shoring it up until it can be verified that less than 100 people a day are getting across. Remove Magnets that draw illegals here. Deport ALL that are caught up in a crime investigation. No Anchor babies. The 14th amendment says Alien's children on our shores are not Citizens. This is called Attrition and WILL work without forcing 40 Million Instant Citizens down the American People's throat. "No Pardon, No Pathway, No Amnesty. Tea Bag the President. The 2nd Amendment is not just a Gun Control issue."
Suzette wrote on May 30, 2007 5:48 AM:I think the current immigration bill is good but needs some improvements. I agree with McCain. However, we need to eliminate the bureaucracy from the bill and also any and all fines. We should embrace every one into our great Nation and legalize them so they come out of the shadows and we know exactly who and where they are. They will then have the opportunity to assimilate, acclimate to our culture. This will stop all those who drive without a license because they will be able to get one. They already pay taxes and pay into our Social Security system (which our legislators do not) so what is the problem. Secure our border and legalize those who are here. It is as easy as that.
McCain is losing it .. wrote on May 30, 2007 6:01 AM:... John McCain is growing senile. He is losing it quickly. He, like Reagan, was once a brilliant leader. Too bad he has lost touch with reality.
Arado wrote on May 30, 2007 6:24 AM:Back taxes, a $5000 fine, and a "bounceback" to Mehico required for those who want American citizenship, but free, "temporary", Z-visa legality for all the other Mexican illegals, hayna? Sweet deal.
Zygo wrote on May 30, 2007 6:30 AM:Here is a thought. Now, the federal government is responsible for reimbursing the cost to the state and local governments for providing service to illegals...jails, social services, medical, etc. The present problem (well, one of them) is that the federal government reimburses local government pennies on the dollar. With this bill, the feds wash their hands of any responsibility (they are no longer illegal) and no longer reimburse local government for the expenses caused by their failure to protect our borders.
brujo wrote on May 30, 2007 6:37 AM:John McCain has become a silly man on two issues --Iraq and Immigration. He is supporting victory where defeat is inevitable and defeat where victory is both imperative and possible. What a disaster he would make as a President. It's hard to believe there is someone even less palatable than George Bush.
Conservative wrote on May 30, 2007 7:11 AM:This guy will never get my vote....again
Ed wrote on May 30, 2007 7:12 AM:Stop demonizing illegal immigrants!
Well Ed.. wrote on May 30, 2007 7:18 AM:Get them to buy car and health insurance, get them to use available tax ID's to pay income tax and stop stealing our SSN's and destroying our credit, get them to stop putting 5 families in a house they cant afford, get them to take PRIDE in their neighborhoods, get them to start taking care of their children instead of letting gangs do it... get them to do all that ED and we will stop demonizing them.
Tony wrote on May 30, 2007 7:37 AM:McCain is out of touch with the electorate. His hard-headed "my way or the highway" attitude on this issue (and other legislation like McCain-Feingold) is presicely why he is not electable. He only cares about what he supports . . . not what the vast majority of Americans want. Note to McCain: THIS BILL SUCKS.
MK wrote on May 30, 2007 7:42 AM:Illegal Immigrants are nothing more than criminals!
Robert24 wrote on May 30, 2007 7:57 AM:Well Ed.. wrote on May 30, 2007 7:18 AM: " Get them to buy car and health insurance, get them to use available tax ID's to pay income tax and stop stealing our SSN's and destroying our credit, get them to stop putting 5 families in a house they cant afford, get them to take PRIDE in their neighborhoods, get them to start taking care of their children instead of letting gangs do it... get them to do all that ED and we will stop demonizing them. " And to that I'll add: Have them assimilate in to America, show support for America, and obey the laws of America. How 'bout this Ed: Illegals, stop demonizing America!
Nanchi wrote on May 30, 2007 8:05 AM:Pass the bill. Get foolproof ID for workers. If they can't work illegally, they won't come. Fine illegal employers to finance border security. Every day that nothing is done another 200 come into this county.
Ray wrote on May 30, 2007 8:08 AM:This blog is full of hate and negativity, this is no room for discussion you people are so far out!
Nick wrote on May 30, 2007 8:28 AM:Geezzzzz....It's Suzette again with the same old drivel. Why do you care more about Illegal Aliens than you do about American citizens? Why are you putting the needs and wants of people who have broken the laws above those of my family and myself? Are you going to give me a get out of jail free card too? How about the $2,600.00 dollars I owe the IRS in back taxes from 1999 plus interest? I have paid my taxes promptly for the last 20 years and the one year I didn't file, I am being hounded for. You would think I owed them 10's of thousands of dollars the way they are treating me. I missed 1 year in 20 and there is no let up or compromise from these people. Why don't the ILLEGALS get treated this way from the IRS? That's the problem with this bill and your tired old rhetoric Suzette, there is nothing fair about it! At least not for honest, hard working Americans who have done nothing more than give, give, give to this Country and all we get in return is a cold hard slap in the face. Why don't you head down to Mexico and start trying to effect chance in their home country if you care about them so much. Why is it America's responsibility? Our government might be corrupt, but it's no where near the level of corruption in the Mexican governemnt.
Wow Mary wrote on May 30, 2007 8:33 AM:Okay the comment above contains 1,618 words. That should exceed some rule since a letter can only contain 200 words and opinion pieces have a 500 word limit. I really didn't take the time read the whole thing as it was a little boring. I think a rule should be established on this forum regarding a word limit.
To Well Ed wrote on May 30, 2007 8:36 AM:You are a little shortsighted don't you think? Do you really believe that only Mexicans " Get them to buy car and health insurance, get them to use available tax ID's to pay income tax and stop stealing our SSN's and destroying our credit, get them to stop putting 5 families in a house they cant afford, get them to take PRIDE in their neighborhoods, get them to start taking care of their children instead of letting gangs do it... get them to do all that ED and we will stop demonizing them. " Let me use the R word because you my friend are a stereotyping, prejudice racist.
Concerned-1 wrote on May 30, 2007 8:43 AM:I won't vote for McCain. I do, and will again, write Feinstein and Boxer. I'll write Issa, as well. None of which will do any good at all. I'm afraid the decision has been made and we've all been sold out.
Ron wrote on May 30, 2007 9:10 AM:This bill along with it's elitist supporters like McCain are outright liars. His own words repeatably support that position. Jorge Bush removed the requirement to pay back taxes permanently and has been wildly circulated throughout the media. This bill is treason pure and simple and every patriotic American should reject it as well as him and his buddy Jorge Bush. We do not need anymore laws, and are immigration laws are not broken. They've simply never been enforced. Deport now, deport often1
Kathleen wrote on May 30, 2007 9:10 AM:Give them amnesty only if they'll sign up for a tour in Iraq. Yeah, right like that will happen.
Brian wrote on May 30, 2007 9:18 AM:I wonder if Senators John McCain, Diane Feinstein, and Edward Kennedy also BOOED Miss America along with the Mexican people? These Senators seem to represent MEXICO! :)
Betty wrote on May 30, 2007 9:19 AM:Mr. McCain is a traitor to this country for incouraging illegal immigration and supporting amnisty. Mr. Bush is also a traitor he is not upholding the constitution which he and mccain pledged to obey. We have borders that the federal government is responsable to control. They have allowed our country to be invaded and have done nothing to stop it. If this immigration bill passes you can kiss your country goodby. They have not inforced our existing immigration laws and they will not inforce the new laws. They want illegal immigration because it makes it easier to intergrate our country with mexico for the north american union or spp.gov. WAKE UP BUSH, KENNEDY, MCCAIN AND ANYONE WHO VOTES YES ON THIS BILL ARE TRAITORS TO THE CONSTITUTION and the american citizens. Democrate or republican it is now the same party that is why they all vote for the same insane bills.
Jim wrote on May 30, 2007 9:24 AM:It all comes down to the anchor baby provision. What good is a "temporary" visa when th eholder can have a baby and it immediately becomes a citizen. Any attempt to deport the parent will resulk in more cheesy MSM sob stories about "tearing families apart". Get rid of the anchor baby provision. This should be the only potential legislation under consideration. Perhaps an amendment process is in order. The reason we don't need to talk about anything else but this is because the laws for allowing deportation are already on the books, 750 miles of fence are mandated in the Secure Fence Act. Once we start enforcing the laws, building the fence, and getting rid of anchor babies nothing else is really necessary. ...
The Real Ray wrote on May 30, 2007 9:27 AM:Amnesty, Parole, Pardon it's all the same thing no matter how you slick it up, lettingf law breakers off the hook. John (Rino) Mc Cain should will Never be a serious canidate in this election. Reading the current immigration laws, nothing broken about them they are pretty simple even a six year old knows the right and wrong in them. no gray area here, enforce the law.
Send them wrote on May 30, 2007 9:27 AM:All back. NOW!
Can't afford to pay wrote on May 30, 2007 9:27 AM:If I can't afford to pay the $5,000 is there a fee waiver based on on sliding scale? I mean thats how everything works here right?
Debbie wrote on May 30, 2007 9:29 AM:Mc Cain is either a liar or he simply can't read and stay up with the facts. Bush changed the bill so the illegals don't have to pay back taxes. The only people who would have to do a "touch back" ANYWHERE outside the U.S. are the head of the family that wants citizenship. The millions of children belonging to these millions of illegals will have access to all welfare benefits from the get go. Nearly ALL illegals will get probationary status within 24 hours of request. THEY CANNOT BE DEPORTED FROM THAT MOMENT ON! They will get in-state tuition! They will have rights AMERICAN DO NOT HAVE. The senate bill also includes the Security Porsperity Partnership otherwise known as The North American Union. Not only will Americans be supporting the millions of illegals already here and their extended family members yet to arrive, but we will also be required to build Mexico into a first world nation JUST LIKE OURS! Study the SPP and NAU! This bill must be dead on arrival at Congress then we MUST DEPORT ALL ILLEGALS ALREADY HERE AND SECURE OUR BORDERS 100% Mc Cain can leave too! He's a traitor to America just like Bush and all who support any part of this bill!
To Nick wrote on May 30, 2007 9:33 AM:Oh, you are too funny! One year you just "forgot" to file your taxes? HAHAHAHOHOHOHEEHEEHEE. Best laugh I had all week. Thanks.
donny C wrote on May 30, 2007 9:35 AM:This bill SB1358,aka the Amnesty Bill is ill concieved and unworkable. It is a slap in the face of all those in foreign lands who wish to emigrate here the legal and right way. On one is demonizing the illegal aliens who have stolen into this country but as seen in their marches and demonstrations it is outrageous that they have an arrogant attitude of entitlement simply because of their numbers. The fiscal and social burden the illegals place on American society are real and unacceptable. All Americans irregardless of ethnicity should demand the rule of law be upheld and SB1358 be rejected completely.
Reardon wrote on May 30, 2007 9:44 AM:O.K. Ray -- you wasted a blog just being negative yourself, but I helped two illegals get citizenship in 1987 so I am obviously not a racist. Still, I oppose the bill for a lot of reasons. Want to discuss it, or just gripe? I'll start. In 1986, the Simpson-Mazzoli Immigration Reform Bill made almost all of the same points as this "Reform" bill. That was 7,491 days ago, the bill is still on the books and the government never enforced that bill. President Bush has been in office for 2,322 days, and he has not enforced the existing bill. Please tell me why you have confidence that the government will enforce this new bill?
Wow Mary wrote on May 30, 2007 9:45 AM:Kudos for spelling the whole ugly thing out! The sound-bite crowd will complain that it's too long, of course. Let them complain... It's time to stand up for the citizens of this country. Thanks again for the insights.
Jenny wrote on May 30, 2007 9:45 AM:Its too expensive for hard working immigrants to pony up $5,000. I hope the actual fee paid will be based on ability to pay. NOT.
Mona wrote on May 30, 2007 9:46 AM:Right on Mary! Thank you for writing an intelligent response. You have brought to light sections of this bill that have been hidden from the public. I hope that people will read your comments.
Bro Rufus wrote on May 30, 2007 9:47 AM:MaCain is a self-deluded idiot! He's unelectable. He's been fooled by all the press fawning all over him, so now he thinks he can be president. The press loves him because he's a LIBERAL!
betty wrote on May 30, 2007 9:54 AM:We have a law called the REAL ID ACT it was passed already. The problem is it is for american citzens to be identified not illegals. Their will be no illegal immigrents because they will pass this amnesty. We will not be able to get a job or travel with out our nation ID wich will have all our personal information on it. Can you say paper please!!
Who's America? wrote on May 30, 2007 10:07 AM:McCain is mistaken, the only people who are in favor of this bill are the illegal immigrants. Our elected representatives seem to represent their interests, not those of American citizens. Since when is citizenship for sale, not earned, and why is it being offered to those who have broken our laws as a reward for breaking them?
Nick wrote on May 30, 2007 10:11 AM:To To Nick: No where did I say I "forgot" to pay. I flat out didn't pay. I was paralyzed from the waist down for 8 months due to a sporting accident. Our wonderful Social Security Dept sent me a letter showing all the money I had payed into the system for my entire working life, and then proceeded to tell me I didn't qualify because I made to much money before my accident, all $42,000 that year. I was then told I couldn't get disability because my doctors couldn't be sure if I would be disabled for more than a year. I was then told I didn't qualify for welfare of food stamps because I couldn't physically walk around and apply for a job because I was "paralyzed from the waist down". Working my butt off my whole life and paying taxes, but when I need help the most, do I get it? NOPE! If I was ILLEGAL, I could have everything for free. Still laughing ...?
What are you smoking? wrote on May 30, 2007 10:20 AM:First, I want to know what Suzette is smoking... "We should embrace every one into our great Nation and legalize them so they come out of the shadows and we know exactly who and where they are. They will then have the opportunity to assimilate, acclimate to our culture. This will stop all those who drive without a license because they will be able to get one. They already pay taxes and pay into our Social Security system (which our legislators do not) so what is the problem." This bill is so wrong on so many levels that any politician that votes for it should be run out of office. Here in California where illegal immigration has forever changed our state for the worse, Boxer and Feinstien continue to support amnesty. Call their offices today! Let them know that you have had enough and demand that they start representing the tax-paying US citizens that elected them. Oh, and Suzette, have another cup of Koolaid.
Amnesty wrote on May 30, 2007 10:44 AM:We tried this 20 years ago. We have all the laws necessary at present to solve this problem but the federal government ignores the will of the people and simply refuses to enforce the law. Why would anyone think the laws would suddenly be enforced after yet another amnesty?
Mike wrote on May 30, 2007 10:46 AM:Whatever became of all the promises of border security and clamping down on employers we heard about as part of the 1986 amnesty?
Vista Citizen wrote on May 30, 2007 10:46 AM:Deport the RINO McKennedy. Non-RINO's Tancredo, Hunter or Paul for Prez.
Hey Ed wrote on May 30, 2007 10:52 AM:Hey Ed, You probably ment to say, Stop demonizing illegal aliens that broke the law sneeking into the U.S. to steal our tax dollars and commit other crimes.
NO to Amnesty!!! wrote on May 30, 2007 11:01 AM:I have read several drafts of, and amendments to, the so-called Comprehensive Immigration Reform bill (S.1348). I can assure you that I am against this bill. Minor amendments will not change my lack of support for this bill. First, the Reform bill fails to address new illegal aliens who have arrived since January 1, 2007. Some estimates would put the number of new illegal aliens at 300,000! Aggressive interior enforcement is needed for addressing these new illegal aliens. An example of an aggressive interior enforcement provision would be a requirement that landlords verify the immigration status of tenants using the SAVE (Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements) program, much like the Reform bill appears to require of employers. Second, the Reform bill provides a Z-visa to illegal aliens without any fines, back taxes, or touch-back provisions. This is amnesty! To have my support, any such legalization provision must require payment of back taxes at all levels (Federal, state and local), a fine ($5,000), and requirement that the illegal alien return to his or her country of origin while waiting for bureaucratic review of the legalization application. Also, no path to citizenship for illegal aliens who gain legalization after their illegal entry into the USA. Third, the Federal Government has failed to enforce existing immigration laws causing the current illegal alien crisis. Much of the current crisis can be dealt with by enforcing existing laws. Also, I have no confidence that the Federal Government will effectively enforce any immigration laws, new or old. As an example, current immigration law (8 U.S.C. § 1642), mandates, “Not later than 18 months after August 22, 1996, the Attorney General of the United States, after consultation with the Secretary of Health and Human Services, shall promulgate regulations requiring verification that a person applying for a Federal public benefit . . . is a qualified alien and is eligible to receive such benefit.” These regulations were never promulgated. Thus, that law passed by Congress has had no legal effect!
Hey Suzette wrote on May 30, 2007 11:16 AM:Are you on some sort of medication? Did you bring enough for the rest of the class?
Out of Touch with the Voting Public wrote on May 30, 2007 11:20 AM:McCain is a confused elitist. He appears to be suffering from dimentia. Why is he wasting his time running for president? He is too old and befuddled. He is also easily manipulated by people like Ted Kennedy and Jorge Boosh. Although he claims to be exhibiting strong leadership by pushing through the "Grand Bargain," he is actually bowing down to special interests, such as: the US Chamber of Commerce, the Catholic Church, the National Restaurant Association, the American Hotel & Lodging Association, National Council of La Raza ("The Race"), MALDEF, LULAC, et al. He needs to stand up for the American taxpayer and the rapidly-disappearing American middle class. He has a duty to put the interests of the American People before the interest of big business and lobbying groups who have an allegiance to "Race" before country.
another steve wrote on May 30, 2007 11:27 AM:Call the Senators, and let them know they aren't getting away with ANYTHING. Especially Feinstein, who said last week that she's not receiving enough calls against Amnesty (only 8,000)---she said that suggests to her that nothing is really "wrong" in California. A vote for this bill is nothing short of traitorous on their part.
IT'S A DONE DEAL wrote on May 30, 2007 11:49 AM:North County retirees are the ones who blog on here and most of them are demographically retired republican, bible belt and military. So it's not surpising that almost ALL of these blogs oppose the proposed immigration bill. Nationwide though these bloggers are a minority. Poll after poll show that nationally voters overwhelmingly (80% +) want legalization of the migrants. Oh yes, these same bloggers will insist that those polls were invalid and blah blah blah. They are valid enough that the same percentage of our elected representatives are also in favor of the same legalization. So.......it's going to pass whether these bloggers like it or not. Not only will it pass, but it's only phase 1 of a movement toward greatly relaxed borders, more free trade and ultimately a North American Union. The Organization of American States has existed for years and the USA is a member along with 35 countries of North and South America. Get used to thinking AMERO as your new currency folks.
MC CAIN IS RIGHT wrote on May 30, 2007 11:52 AM:Senator McCain, a republican, joins with most of his republican colleagues in supporting this bill as does President Bush and an overwhelming majority of democrat legislators. It is a done deal. All the blogging in the world won't change the outcome!
American woman wrote on May 30, 2007 11:55 AM:How does this grab ya'? 1) Legal status for all illegal aliens once the bill is signed into law. For the ones that want a social security card and drivers license they need to apply and if their background check is not complete within 24 hours, they are granted a social security card and driver's license. So, even if the computers are down that day, oh well come on in...! 2) United States tax payers get to pay for immigration attorneys for all illegal aliens. 3) Temporary 'Z-Visas' are PERMANENT! They can be renewed every 4 years indefinitely (that is my definition of permanent!). 4) Amnesty for gang members. All that they have to do is say that they don't want to be a gang member anymore and hurray, legal status for them also! 5) United States tax payers get to pay the Mexican government to provide healthcare and education for their citizens so that they won't want to come to the United States! (we must be fools!) 6) NO BACK TAXES! Yes, they removed that from last year's bill. Illegal aliens will have to pay a $5,000 fine by the 8th year after amnesty (that comes out to $12 a week; I want that deal and screw paying my taxes!) 7) Fast track for SPP and be given top priority. www.spp.gov 8) Border security is NOT a top priority, as a matter of fact you can barely find it in the bill and also the border fencing has been slashed to 370 miles and they are looking to slash it to as much as 200 miles. 9) DREAM ACT - In state tuition for illegal aliens that is denied to United States citizens! 10) Bottom line is that anyone that is here illegally will have cut in line in front of everyone that has been waiting for years in their own countries to come to the United States! Other problems: no medical exams required, up to 2 misdemeanor arrests forgiven, anyone currently ordered for deportation will be given amnesty as immigration judges must close any immigration proceedings and allow the illegal alien to apply, English not required until the 9th year after amnesty and then only a 'basic understanding' is required and last but not least, illegal aliens will be eligible for the 'Earned Income Tax Credit'.
No. County Reader wrote on May 30, 2007 11:56 AM:Right on Mary and yes I took the time to read every word you typed. Wasn't that difficult (wow Mary, keep your head in the sand.) We need to stand up for our American rights as they are being taken away day by day and given to those that do not want to assimiliate or obey our laws yet reap the benefits. I am not a racist I am tired of working my ... off to support others who want a hand-out and refuse to speak the English language. If I had 10 families living under my roof I'd be driving a brand new vehicle too !!! I am tired of the billingual jobs in the paper that pay more. I'm tired of pressing one at the bank atm for english or when I call an establishment in our country. Don't expect me to learn spanish to get along in the USA this is not Mexico !!! You have to obtain a passport to visit other countries, why should it be any different in ours !!! You have to learn the language to survive in other countries, why should it be any different in ours !!!
Greg in Oceanside wrote on May 30, 2007 12:35 PM:This is a "no-brainer" and we should all rest easy knowing that the MAJORITY of AMERICAN CITIZENS oppose this bill and any other form of amnesty. If the remote chance that this bill (or any variant) is passed, we'd see millions of free-loading family members of Mexicans run for the border at break-neck speed. It would be a slap in the face to the immigrants who followed the law, it would bankrupt the social welfare and healthcare systems, and those of us who've paid into social security would not get one dime when we retire because the system would be bankrupt. Solution? Easy. Employer sanctions, fines, and prosecutions. Illegal aliens would "self-deport" themselves as they find opportunities dry up. Also, as the president mentioned in yesterdays speech in GA, we need to double the size of the Border Patrol. Of course, building the border wall is not an option, but a necessity.
Concerned-1 wrote on May 30, 2007 12:42 PM:I'd like to thank Mary for the post. It was long, but well worth reading. I had no idea this bill was so bad. What are they trying to do by creating a whole new lower class? Who are these idiots we have coming up with stuff like this? A gang member can get a visa if he denounces his gang? Arrrrg!
Hail Mary wrote on May 30, 2007 12:44 PM:Perhaps NCT should look into hiring Mary as a writer. Her blog could very well have run as an article called "Opponents identify flaws in immigration reform bill" along side Edward Sifuente's article. We just aren't getting the full story from Mr. Sifuentes or your other paid staff writers. I'm sorry 'Wow Mary' was too bored to read Mary's entire blog, which in my view offered a comprehensive list of reasons to oppose comprehensive immigration reform.
Soloution wrote on May 30, 2007 12:57 PM:Interior enforcement. Prison time for employers of illegals. This didn't work in 86 and it won't work now. Deport them all. As amny times as needed.
Patriot wrote on May 30, 2007 1:00 PM:What's in it for McCain? I cannot believe a man who served his country with honor in Vietnam and endured what he did would sell out his country this way unless his allegience is to the new NAU, not the good old USA.
Bill wrote on May 30, 2007 1:04 PM:The problem with this or any other "comprehensive bil" is that it puts the burden of "enforcement" on the chief law enforcement officier (President Bush) who has no inclination, nor motivation to enforce anything. Hence, more laws won't change a thing. President Bush and VP Cheney need to be impeached for obstructing justice. He has obstructed the Border Patrol from performing their function through imitidation (Ramos and Campenan etc) and if someone would dig deep enough (Congression hearings taken to their logical and aggressive conclusion), I'm sure we'd find some emails, directives, and other smoking gun, top down communications that would prove this President has commited high crimes and misdemeanors. President Bush wants to protect us from every terrorist abroad, engage any enemy, invade any country all the way up to the point where it may negatitvely impact his Big Business Buddies P and L statements. Big Business wants to suppress US wages by adoption of a new crop of 20-40 million Mexicans willing to work for less by packing more people into smaller housing.They have unlikely allies in this scheme (President Bush and the Democrats). It is another attack on the middle class by this administration.
Bill wrote on May 30, 2007 1:12 PM:"It's a done deal" has fallen off the reservation. What 75-80% of the USA want is border security and employer enforcement. On an other matter this would be called a MANDATE However, because (as IT's DONE...) points out this is a globalist economy end game, there are powerful forces hijacking this Republic Absorbing without mitigation this level of "unskilled", "unasset laden" and "non-acclimation oriented" masses will decimate our tax structure and bring ruin to our economy and further divide the "have's from the have nots". What you will get is a Mexican economy with a huge amount of impoverished and a tiny amount of those with great wealth. Is that what you are really advocating Mr. It's Done? The call the retirees the minority also misses the mark, check out the demographic makeup and size of those over 50. Your about to see what Grey Fury in Politics looks like and I assure you they won't be carrying Mexican flags in downtown LA.
IT'S A STUPID DEAL wrote on May 30, 2007 1:24 PM:McCain says in light of 9/11 we cannot have 12 million people in America where we don't know where they are and what they're doing. True, but we also need to know who they are. Can we trust the feds to ascertain the true identity of the person applying for the Z-Visa? Once that person is issued the card, that person is legally and permanently embedded into American society, even if that person is an Al Queda terrorist who produced a piece of paper identifying himself as Juan Garcia.
Reardon wrote on May 30, 2007 1:53 PM:Whomever is blogging under "Mary" wins the Reardonian Seal of Approval. The Bill now undergoes scrutiny that the pro-amnesty supporters never wanted, and perhaps it can be hammered into a rational bill, but in the end it will be selectively enforced and selectively ignored until any bill at all is meaningless -- unless there is a penalty for non-enforcement. There is no process for penalizing politicians who, it is discovered 10 years after the passage of a bill, did not enforce the bill. The people need to force politicians to put up a performance bond, which, upon jury determination, finds that the politician proposed a bill, or failed to support a bill, the results of which significantly damaged the nation. (An example is the ending of the Bracero Program, or the Simpson-Mazzolli Bill) The bond should be backed by the politician's pension. A finding of guilty pays the treasury from the bond, and collects the politician's pension. Right now, politicians only penalty for poor performance is that they are not re-elected to continue their stupidity – but nothing is done to penalize their stupidity.
Put your Money Where Your Mouth Is wrote on May 30, 2007 2:03 PM:So, what are you going to do about it? I saw no marches on Memorial Day or horn honking for that matter. Do you thing griping on a public blog is going to make a difference? Do you want to make a difference? What are you going to do about this bill? How are you going to stop it from being passed? After it becomes law, will you sit here and continue to complain? America died while people blogged. What a joke.
Someday wrote on May 30, 2007 2:29 PM:Someday Hugo Chavez will be the leader of the Americas! That's what we need. He will fix North America and South America just like Che and Fidel tried to do. Yankee imperialism is dead. The Bolivarian Revolution is underway. ¡Viva La Raza! Just wait to all my peeps be voting!
Cesar Chaves wrote on May 30, 2007 2:37 PM:said years ago that throughout history waves of migration occur. Europe was overrun by the Vandels and Visigoths from the cacusus in the 5th century, The Huns came from asia in the 7th century. The Normans came from scandanavia via France and conquered Brittain in 1066. Mass emigration from europe to america occured in the 17th century and the Irish came here in the 19th century because of bad potatoes. People move for better economic conditions, or to excape political opression, or just because of itchy feet. Trying to stop these migration is like trying to stop the tide.
Chicano Pride wrote on May 30, 2007 3:01 PM:When all the gavachos are outnumbered, we will deport them. Villaraigosa for President! Aztlan is coming. George Bush knows what time it is!
A beter future wrote on May 30, 2007 3:34 PM:We will transform these Eurocentric joke of a nation into a better place, like Mexico. The USA is a dyeing enpire. You better lern Spanish. God Bless Presidente Bush and the USA Senit.
Just so you know. wrote on May 30, 2007 3:34 PM:NCT is not printing comments again. You guys THINK John McCain is a traitor and dishonest. I lived in AZ when he ran and he is and I have proof but they won't print my comments!
To Chicano Pride wrote on May 30, 2007 3:36 PM:You forgot a few things, Aztlan is coming, all America looking like Mexico is coming, no/open sewers, poor water, poor people, poor medical care, poor education, corruption, no environmentalist, no smog control, etc. After America is ruined like Mexico where do you and yours go Canada?? Face it the only reason you and yours want to come is a better life that you and yours can't or won't demand in Mexico. So when the US is ruined no where for you to go! Who will you mooch off of then? Viva La Raza!!
Dave wrote on May 30, 2007 3:42 PM:Historically, Mexico uses immigration to the US as a safety valve that keeps any meaningful reform there from ever occurring. Once the Mexicans realize that they have to live and work in their own nest, then maybe they should clean it up.
¡Orale! wrote on May 30, 2007 3:45 PM:This IS Mexico. We will take it back, and we won't even have to fire a single shot because we will take it back by the ballot box. We run the street gangs and the prison gangs. When we are in charge, all the latinos will be released from prison to restore real order here in Aztlan.
El Plan de Aztlan wrote on May 30, 2007 3:47 PM:In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal "gringo" invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlán from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny. We are free and sovereign to determine those tasks which are justly called for by our house, our land, the sweat of our brows, and by our hearts. Aztlán belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. We do not recognize capricious frontiers on the bronze continent Brotherhood unites us, and love for our brothers makes us a people whose time has come and who struggles against the foreigner "gavacho" who exploits our riches and destroys our culture. With our heart in our hands and our hands in the soil, we declare the independence of our mestizo nation. We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlán. For La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada.
Where will you go? wrote on May 30, 2007 3:51 PM:We will be here in Aztlan. The real question is where will you go? You cannot go back to Europe because the Muslims has a monopoly on inmigrating to there. You better build a space ship because heroes like Hugo Chavez and Osama Bin Laden will drive all Europeans off the face of the Earth!
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Hey, Chicano Pride~ wrote on May 30, 2007 3:55 PM:Hey man, right on! Viva Mexico y Viva El Presidente Villaraigosa!!! We will take back all what is now the southwestern USA! It was stolen from us by the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo which the Mexicans were FORCED to sign to end the Mexican-American war of 1846-1848. Gringos say they paid $15 mil for it. Baloney, that was to make it look legal, but it was stolen. So the imperialists will lose what they stole when the population of the southwest is majority Mexicano, which will be soon. Wait and see. Viva La Raza!! Hey gringo man, maybe I will let you stay so you can mow my lawn!! hahahaha
Miss USA wrote on May 30, 2007 3:57 PM:Is lucky she only got booed in Mexico, DF - trust me, it could have been much worse. We in Mexico boo not only her, but your whole racist country. If there was another Mexican-American War, Mexico would bury the US. We are ready!
Legal Citizen wrote on May 30, 2007 3:58 PM:I've noticed that they are not printing my comments either...I guess the truth hurts too much...you know, the one where Americans do NOT want amnesty for illegal aliens, how we are sick and tired of paying for them, etc..... Politicians can talk till they're blue, we all know where their loyalties lie...deep pockets of all the huge companies that will profit from giving illegals amnesty.
Jorge wrote on May 30, 2007 4:01 PM:Apparently, Suzette doesn't understand what Mary so eloquently (and thoroughly) put out there for us to read. Good job, Mary! Maybe Suzette can't be bothered with more than a few words of explanation...that would explain why she seems to be living on another planet. Above, American woman condensed what Mary had to say. Maybe Suzie should try that one. Nanchi: Nice try, but the figure is more like 10 to 12 THOUSAND per day! Maybe this is why we can't get America up off the couch to take some action! Maybe they have the same stats as Nanchi!
to El Plan de Aztlan wrote on May 30, 2007 4:37 PM:You said it like it is amigo. Y "Aztlán. For La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada. "
Bobby wrote on May 30, 2007 5:10 PM:I really don't know what to say. Any person who could still believe that McCain cares about illegal immigration and the way it damages this nation and the American citizenry, is a piece of work. If fact any American who believes that identity theft, wage depression, document fraud, welfare fraud, tax evasion,etc. is good for our country, is SOME AMERICAN.
Nick wrote on May 30, 2007 5:12 PM:Where's my post Mr Ed? Your going to print the above racist and inflamatory comments above and not my response? How dare you!
Compromise is the key wrote on May 30, 2007 5:12 PM:I support McCain's leadership on this difficult issue. The solution is not with the extremes but with the silent majority in the middle. This must be a good deal because both sides are upset; a good compromise always has the extremes in an uproar.
cecil wrote on May 30, 2007 5:14 PM:In the words of President John Kennedy, "Ask not what illegal aliens can do for the United States of America, rather ask what the USA can do for illegal aliens." I have compassion fatigue. Would everyone who entered the United States in the trunk of a car please just get back in the car and go home?
Bobby wrote on May 30, 2007 5:17 PM:All you reconquistas, just like ex gang member Mayor Villaragossa think you are riding high--now. But belieive me, you will come down, way down. I know that many Mexican Americans are proud of their heritage, just like other people. But having spoken to and knowing quite a few American Mexicans, they consider you reconquista types a bunch of fools and losers, the Gil Cedillos, Fabian Nunez's, and Villaragossa's included. You clowns are goin crash and burn--sooner or later.
No Amenesty wrote on May 30, 2007 5:22 PM:ENFORCE THE CURRENT LAW
fedup wrote on May 30, 2007 5:29 PM:the only good ILLEGAL is a deported ILLEGAL! Take away the jobs and housing (like Hazelton PA tried to do) and take away the free social services that these ILLEGAL aliens and their ILLEGAL families use and they will self-deport to whereever it is they came from. So simple, nobody in the DC crowd will ever get it.
OMG wrote on May 30, 2007 6:02 PM:If the dream of taking back the south west happens then it will turn into a giant corrupt mess like the rest of Mexico and all of the residents will still flee to America for a decent living and education for thier kids. I say lets flip this sucker around and annex Mexico one state at a time into the USA. Starting with Baja California.
SANCHEZ IN OCEANSIDE...... wrote on May 30, 2007 6:17 PM:We need to make our city a SANCTUARY city and have our council make the Matricula Consular ID cards legal..."we're all the same race"--the human race....
Double Standard wrote on May 30, 2007 6:25 PM:Why is blatant racism from those calling themsleves La Raza tolerated?... I haven't heard such racist rhetoric in quite some time. Are we headed toward a race war? Is ethnic separatism the goal of the National Council of La Raza? How can such racism be embraced by our elected leaders? We are entering a sad chapter of American history.
SO THEY JUST WANT TO BE LEGAL wrote on May 30, 2007 7:59 PM:For the 12 to 20 million illegal Aliens that are poised, to become legal residents,if this bill passes as written, here is what the aliens who do NOT want to become U.S. citizens can expect: IF THE ALIENS ONLY WANT TO BE LEGAL FOREVER AND NOT BECOME U.S. CITIZENS, THEN THE FOLLOWING APPLIES : NO $5,000 FINE, NO TOUCHBACK, BACKGROUND CHECK OF ONLY 1 BUSINESS DAY, NO FINES OR PENALALTIES. ON THE OTHER HAND THEY WILL BE ELIGIBLE FOR ALL RIGHTS, BENIFITS, AND SERVICES DUE TO ANY AMERICAN CITIZEN. All they have to do is say they were in this country ILLEGALLY before January 1, 2007. Even the ones who are not here yet
Skip wrote on May 30, 2007 8:02 PM:And if this is not bad enough, now you have President Bush saying that everyone against this bill (80% of American Citizens?) is wrong. When has president Bush been right on anything lately? I am a former Republican.
CostaMesaMan wrote on May 30, 2007 8:23 PM:Listening to Sean Hannity this afternoon and he mentioned that the Senate may be taking a vote on the Immigration Reform Bill (AMNESTY BILL) today or tomorrow! Apparently there is a plan by the conservative Republicans to kill the bill if it passes by exercising a constitutional procedure called "blue slipping" the bill. What that means is that because there are elements in the bill that are of a budgetary nature, the bill can be "blue slipped", which kills the bill and they have to start all over. Apparently any bill with financial elements in it need to be originated in the House...not the Senate! Keep the emails, faxes and calls going!!! We have them on the run! Let's try to kill this thing in the Senate without it having to go to the House!
Scott wrote on May 30, 2007 8:47 PM:There’s a simple reason the immigration bill being debated by the U.S. Senate is unpopular with voters—the general public doesn’t believe it will reduce illegal immigration. And, in the minds of most voters, that’s what immigration reform is all about.
Syl wrote on May 30, 2007 8:49 PM:The New Media, which is a fusion of Talk Radio and Internet Websites, is leading the charge against the Senate Scamnesty Bill S. 1348 as millions of Americans abandon print media and biased TV news that has abandoned their readers and viewers!
Lame Feds wrote on May 30, 2007 9:07 PM:Twelve weeks ago, my wife applied for a passport. Still no passport. She travels in June and we are getting worried. They said it would take 10 weeks. The Federal Government cannot timely issue a passport! How are they going to tackle the issue Z-visas?
THIS BILL IS A JOKE wrote on May 30, 2007 9:20 PM:the bill is a joke to the american people, and we are being sacrificed in the name of politics. I notice that NCT has no story on how the Mexicans have boo-ed Miss USA, as our representative. They don't want any stories that show how Mexicans spit in our faces, and yet we are supposed to give away our country to these illegal criminals. Shame on our politicians. The more USA we give to these people, the more and more it becomes upper-Mexico. They are bringing their crime and violence and when the police try to do their jobs and protect us, the politicos find a way to punish them, in order to render our police force helpless, like the police are in Mexico.
About Sen. Kyl.... wrote on May 30, 2007 11:14 PM:Will President George Bush actually deliver to Senator Judas Kyl the federal bench appointment as promised, or will George Bush renege on his promise to Kyl as he has to the American people? And will Senate Democrats stick by their "dark of the night" deal to rubber-stamp Kyl's appointment, or will Kennedy renege leaving Kyl to face angry voters?
From Democrat-Robert wrote on May 31, 2007 6:07 AM:Thank the Lord for Rep. Bilbray, hang in there Brian and stand firm to stop this invasion. McCain is toast on this issue alone and so will all others that permit this invasion to continue. Thank you for your efforts. It appears that the liberals care nothing for the justice due those who have for years worked hard on entering the country legally.
Nick wrote on May 31, 2007 10:06 AM:To Lame Feds: If you provide the passport agency with a copy of your itenerary and tickets, then pay an extra fee, you can have your passport in 3-4 business days. It costs about $100 dollars. I know, I did it a few years ago to renew mine for a quick trip to Costa Rica.
To Double Standard wrote on May 31, 2007 10:19 AM:The "blatant racism" from El Plan De Aztlan is a direct quote from MEChA. Do an internet search for MEChA and you will find El Plan on their web sites. MEChA, along with its racist vision for Aztlán, is tolerated on many of our college and high school campuses. It is tolerated because many people were indoctrinated into this vision in college and after graduation now work in the media and control the political agenda in Sacramento.
Bobby wrote on May 31, 2007 2:09 PM:Why is MECHA on college and high school campuses? The very fact they are allowed to be, says volumes on what has become of "American" Universities and high schools and the public school system. These institutions don't allow the KKK on campus. What's the difference between it and MECHA? Just go to MECHAS website, and you'll find there isn't any. Both are racists. Publice school officials are an example of cowardliness, par excellance.
To Suzette, wrote on May 31, 2007 3:54 PM:Been there, done that. It didn't work in 1986 when Reagan gave amnesty to three million illegal aliens. It won't work this time. It will just send out a loud message-Come on in! to million more illegal aliens. And that's a fact.
Then What? wrote on May 31, 2007 4:16 PM:After the illegals take over the USA and it becomes like Mexico, then what?
Thank you Mary! wrote on Jun 2, 2007 11:09 AM:I appreciate you taking the time to break down this horrific bill. I'm still in shock after reading the comments from the Latinos that will benefit from this bill. I for one, refuse to tolorate this blatent abuse of my country! I would like to copy your comment and send it to everyone I know... Do I have your permission Mary?