Ditto!!! wrote on May 30, 2007 9:27 PM:This is worth repeating "Now is the time for all good men and women to stand up and be counted. Let your federal elected representatives know that you oppose, with every moral fiber of your being, the demonizing of illegal immigrants." Thank you Randy for having the courage to encourage all of those who apathetic on this issue to stand up and say enough is enough. Bravo!!!

Sanchez wrote on May 30, 2007 9:31 PM:Thank you Mr. Horton,I agree with you we need to make Oceanside a sanctuary city,municipal funds cannot be used for enforcing federal immigration laws in a sanctuary city.Our city needs to memorialize this policy and the city council's acceptance of the Mexican Matricula Consular ID Cards........ "We're all the same race-the human race"! Thank you Oceanside Commissioner Horton.

Jorge in Oceanside wrote on May 30, 2007 9:46 PM:Oceanside Commissioner Horton,thank you for your good column,KOCT should have Spanish translation of Oceanside City Council meetings..Will you introduce a proclamation that tells our people we are welcome here and that we are a Sanctuary City?

Floyd wrote on May 30, 2007 9:51 PM:How exactly are we "demonizing" criminals who are trespassing (not immigrating!) in our country? When you call a lawbreaker a "lawbreaker" you are stating a fact, not "demonizing".

Reardon wrote on May 30, 2007 10:23 PM:Gosh, I wonder if former Mayor of El Centro used city money to help enforce federal laws against bank robbery, or if his police force refused to participate in such federal activity? Perhaps he believes in selective enforcement, and would explain to us which federal laws he supports enforcing, and which ones, not.

Oceanside Resident wrote on May 30, 2007 10:39 PM:Sanchez- you took the words out of my mouth Oceanside IS a sanctuary for every illegal activity. We have dangerous pedophiles, dangerous register child sex offenders, and prostitution, crack addicts and the biggest gang injunction in the county of San Diego. With thousands of illegal aliens and the illegal activity that comes with them; like 30 people living in a 3 bedroom single family home, with dozens of cars parked on the lawns and streets. Homes are filled with rental trailers something unheard of and unsanitary, with portable toilets parked on the curb and Mexican cactus sprawling in every fence to keep the cops out. I invite the entire city counsel to come and visit my lost middle class neighborhood into one of the new converted biggest ghettos extension of El Posole, Mesa Margarita and a little of Townsite. Maybe we as CITIZENS of this city should start filing class action lawsuits against the entire Oceanside city counsel for our property loss and placing our families in dangerous situations and proliferating illegal activity into our neighborhoods.

Quit making Marie the villian here... wrote on May 30, 2007 11:01 PM:Excuse me. Last time I looked, the United States of America has defined borders and laws. (Oh, I forgot, they don't have laws in Mexico, so this may be a foreign concept to most.)....For those of you begging to make Oceanside a sanctuary city, we never hear of what you plan to give back to this nation. Just because you have a job here, you think you are somehow entitled to the same rights of American citizens but without the responsibilities? No one has told you yet that you are being played big time, even bigger than we citizens are being played? Hmm...and to the author of this article, try reading the modern-day 30 Pieces of Silver from operation bodycount and pray for those families (uh, your fellow American citizens, by the way) because those facts don't lie...

From Alex to Sanchez wrote on May 30, 2007 11:08 PM:Dear Saint Sanchez, If I wanted have a matricula consular with any name i want it only cost me Five dollars in Los Angeles I knew alot of people from Mexico City in Los Angeles who sale not only Matriculas but driver license.social security cards and whatever you want for only few dollars; Oceanside doesnt have to be a sanctuary it is already.

Gadfly wrote on May 30, 2007 11:43 PM:Randy has lost all credibility in Oceanside. Now he wants to intercede in Escondido. Illegal..ilegal. This is stil the United States of America.

Veritas wrote on May 31, 2007 12:32 AM:We do have numbers Randy. After the 1968 amnesty bill by Ted Kennedy, Illegal immigration shot up to today's figures (use any numbers out there - the smallest is 12 million). How can any staff approve within 24 hours as required the applications by the illegals? Your accounting expertise, should be able to figure if one person can review 10 applications a day, it would take 1,200,000 hours. 100 staff persons would need 12,000 days! Impossible. That is only one of dozens of impossibilities in the amnesty bill.

solutions wrote on May 31, 2007 12:35 AM:1. Enforce our laws. They aren't broken. Just enforce them. 2. Revise the 14th Amendment. Revoke the Automatic citizenship of these anchor babies. 3. PUNISH/FINE the Employers. 4. Don't accept the Matricular cards. 5. No Dream Act. 6. No free schooling. 7. End Tax-Exempt Status for any Churches, foundations, institutions like Raza, etc that support/promote illegal immigration. 8. TAX HEAVILY the Remittence leaving this NATION. That's money that should be in OUR COFFERS. 9. No more FREE Births and then WIC, etc

Wow wrote on May 31, 2007 2:00 AM:Get over it already! Waldron lost her race for the Assembly - the people didn't want a real fighter. Personal attacks on her do not defend your position.

Escondido voter wrote on May 31, 2007 3:27 AM:I have stood up and been counted on all election days since 1972. I voted for Marie. Randy, give it up already; you're a laughingstock.

I love Marie and fully support wrote on May 31, 2007 6:50 AM:our Council, except for the wishy ol' mayor. Lori isn't doing her job. ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE CRIMINALS. IF you or I did something illegal WE have to pay the price, not get rewarded.

No Amnesty! Go Marie! wrote on May 31, 2007 7:17 AM:Marie is a great American. She is against amnesty. Read Senate Bill S.1348, section 601 (Z Visas)! It is amnesty. Illegal aliens get legalization without any penalty! No fines, no payment of back taxes, no touch-back, no English language requirement, etc. The Federal Government gets only one business day to perform a background check. An illegal alien needs to be employed only on the day of the application to get legalization.

Horton's Warped Logic wrote on May 31, 2007 7:49 AM:Horton states, "Illegal immigrants are saving evangelical Christians the cost and effort of sending missionaries to Central and South America. Illegal immigrants are transporting themselves to the doorstep of evangelical Christians. Illegal immigrants are ready to hear the gospel of salvation!" You don't have a clue Randy! Using that logic we should allow all lawbreakers, muderers, rapists, child molesters, etc. to immigrate here because they are in need of salvation. No. You give the lawbreakers the message of salvation in jail or in prison... preferably in their own country.

You have nothing to say to us wrote on May 31, 2007 7:56 AM:Can someone tell me why this guy feels he has the right to tell (legal)residents of Escondido what they should do? He was the mayor of El Centro and apparently didn't make that city into a place that he wanted to live. Now he lives in Oceanside. Sorry, I'd rather hear from someone who was successful.

Craig wrote on May 31, 2007 8:00 AM:I can't believe what I am reading. You are saying God wants people to break laws because it will save his "believers" money by not having to send missionaries into other countries. I am sure God wants these lawbreakers to steal other people's identities, illegally use welfare, drive without licenses and kill innocent people just so we don't need to send out as many missionaries. I am not demonizing illegal aliens, I just want them to play by the same rules as everyone else, including the legal immigrant that I am married to.

GFN wrote on May 31, 2007 8:02 AM:Mr. Horton, the beginning of your article should read, ""Escondido is a diverse and vibrant Hispanic community that celebrates its history and minority Asian and Caucasion influence." It's not a matter of Hispanics infiltrating the City, it's the overwhelming number of them. The problem?...well, you state it in your article, "But rather than leave well enough alone and let the federal government deal with this complex issue, the City Council decided to take the bull by the horns." You see, Mr. Horton, the federal government HAS NOT AND DOES NOT DEAL WITH THIS COMPLEX PROBLEM! That's why the leaders of the City of Escondido are doing what they are doing...it's not demonizing, it's preservation of an American quality of life, and we have a right to do that.

Former mayor? wrote on May 31, 2007 9:09 AM:The article by Randy Horton would be disgusting if written by an ordinary citizen, but is especially so when written by a former elected mayor. Those in his position should be for law and order, not turning a blind eye to it. I wonder, does he also support those who vandalize public and personal property with graffiti, rob banks, drive drunk, drive without insurance or engage in other law-breaking activities? I don’t care what Marie Waldron’s personal political aspirations are, she is trying to do the right thing for the city. You know, return it to American citizens who actually care about their city and their country. Her recent “Amnesty bill an outrage” article made ten times as much sense as Horton’s. “Council choosing to divide Escondido”? Absolutely. Dividing between law/order and lawlessness sure sounds good to me.

Mind Your Own Business wrote on May 31, 2007 9:48 AM:No one is demonizing illegals, just their act of breaking the law to enter the country which is criminal. The American taxpayer is sick of watching billions of dollars sent back to Mexico while illegals claim poverty when it comes to paying taxes for their health care, education and social services. If you want the city of O'side to foot those bills, Escondido will be happy to help our illegals migrate to your sanctuary city.

ADIVINO wrote on May 31, 2007 10:17 AM:Randy Horton is proof that El Centro lost a perfectly good town fool. What a mish mash of tortured logic.

To Floyd wrote on May 31, 2007 10:18 AM:Floyd, you wrote: "When you call a lawbreaker a "lawbreaker" you are stating a fact, not "demonizing". Now who are you trying to fool? People are not simply calling them "lawbreakers". You know what is being said - and it goes way beyond "lawbreaker". I'm with Randy Horton on this - he's right on. I'm glad that he has the courage to stand up and be counted.

RG wrote on May 31, 2007 10:30 AM:The article by Randy Horton would be disgusting if written by an ordinary citizen, but is especially so when written by a former elected mayor. Those in his position should be for law and order, not turning a blind eye to it. I wonder, does he also support those who vandalize public and personal property with graffiti, rob banks, drive drunk, drive without insurance or engage in other law-breaking activities? I don’t care what Marie Waldron’s personal political aspirations are, she is trying to do the right thing for the city. You know, return it to American citizens who actually care about their city and their country. Her “Amnesty bill an outrage” article made ten times as much sense as Horton’s. “Council choosing to divide Escondido”? Absolutely. Dividing between law/order and lawlessness sure sounds good to me.

Pope wrote on May 31, 2007 11:30 AM:The only moral justification for coming here illegally is if a person is forced to emigrate from their home country as, for example, a refugee or an assylum seeker. Included in 'forced' would be wars, famine, fascism, etc. None of that is happening in Mexico. Like the 49ers, the current wave of immigrants from Mexico are merely looking to live a better life. However, the 49ers waited until it was legal. Wanting to get 'rich' provides no moral justification for illegally entering the United States. It is not unusual for a person, lacking morals, to violate other laws. That unwillingness to voluntarily follow the law is one of the things that make this current illegal immigration invasion so costly to our civic order, institutions, and morals!

Go Home Horton wrote on May 31, 2007 1:26 PM:Horton is way out of line here. This is a man who demonizes other politicians with his disgusting cartoons and then gets put into a important deciding position on the Planning Commission because he is a Mayor Woods cronie. Watching Horton in action he votes favorably for projects neighborhoods don't want and he is supposedly tied to Woods (who put him on the Council)who is the "Big Neighborhood Protector" along the lines of Granny Melba. Doesn't make sense. Horton's attack on evangelicals is obscene. Why does he want to make the evanagelicals the Immigrant Haters. Except for the Catholics, because that is how they increase their ever dwindling scandal prone church most people Christians, atheists, Moslems, agnostics however you want to label people are against this invasion by illegal aliens. Personally, I find Horton to be a detriment to Oceanside and in fact should go back to El Centro where he can lead a city of predominantly illegals. He seems to have better luck with people who don't understand our language and customs than us. One last thing thanks to Mr. Busy Body Horton Tri-City Hospital lost a chance to upgrade its deteriorating, antiquated facilities. Perhaps the next time Horton needs to go to Tri-City emergency room they should let him sit 7 hours only to find out they are transferring him to El Centro Community Hospital. Randy get Lost. We don't need your input.

for those that are apathetic wrote on May 31, 2007 2:01 PM:Its sad that you are pathetic oh I mean apathetic to their cause, as soon as they get what they want they will stab you in the back because this is their ultimate goal, and your sympathy is just a means to their end. You have no right to give away my country and my money without my permission, and you do not and will not have my permission, read the following passage carefully this is what they are pushing for. This has been in the works for a long time , while bleeding hearts sit back and think that Illegals come here for a better life. No they are coming to take what they believe belongs to them. Are we really going to just give it to them? " In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal "gringo" invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlán from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny. We are free and sovereign to determine those tasks which are justly called for by our house, our land, the sweat of our brows, and by our hearts. Aztlán belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. We do not recognize capricious frontiers on the bronze continent Brotherhood unites us, and love for our brothers makes us a people whose time has come and who struggles against the foreigner "gavacho" who exploits our riches and destroys our culture. With our heart in our hands and our hands in the soil, we declare the independence of our mestizo nation. We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlán. For La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada. "

Nick wrote on May 31, 2007 3:17 PM:To those who are apathetic: The land you claim was never yours to begin with genius. For someone who writes so well, you never paid much attention to history. For the record, the land you claim has always been NATIVE AMERICAN LAND, it was Never for your race but than again, you are nothing but a racist. All you chicano's say the same thing. Everything for your race. Selfish, racist, bigots, and that will be your downfall. Keep chanting your La Raza rhetoric and make sure you do it on network stations so that all Americans can see what you really are and what you really want. Please, keep it up. You might scare some of the white folks, but you will NEVER scare us Indians. And for the record, all of us Native Americans consider ourselves AMERICANS! Something you and your ilk do not desire and never will be.

Hey Melba! wrote on May 31, 2007 3:21 PM:Time to get rid of Randy. He is truly off the wall. Muchas gracias, me abuela.

Nick, Calm Down wrote on May 31, 2007 4:34 PM:The Chicanos bring the fable of Azlan from Mexico City. But calm down. Apathetic does not write well. Instead, he merely copies from El Plan Espiritual de Aztlan written three decades ago. Look it up. This spiritual plan led to the formation of MEChA chapters now on about every high school and college campus in the southwest US. If you really think El Plan Espiritual de Aztlan is racist, then go to your local high school board and complain.

fedup wrote on May 31, 2007 4:43 PM:as long as it divides the ILLEGALS out of the country and the LEGALS here, who cares?!