Billy wrote on Jun 4, 2007 1:13 AM:Yea some of these riders are going 70mph in stopped or slowed traffic. I have never seen A bike rider get into an accident from speeding through a jam. I used to ride bikes myself and i felt pretty comforable spitting lanes as long as the difference is under 30 mph. I Have also been attacked by angry drivers throwing stuff out the window directly in my path, often timing it just right to hit me. usually change or soda cups whatever is handy for them.

Simply Rude wrote on Jun 4, 2007 6:22 AM:Lane Spliting is just plain rude no matter how it's done. It's the same as having someone cut in front of you when you're in line somewhere. Motorcycle riders are no more special than anyone else and should have to wait their turn just like everyone else.

JSten wrote on Jun 4, 2007 6:43 AM:I have been passed by motorbikes in heavy traffic when they were going at least 30. I guess what they dont know and mus tnow be told is that sometimes I want to change a lane. Also with the crowding and the other issues that go along with being in traffic, visibility is extremely limited. I cant count the number of times that a Bike has shot past me without warning on my end, they are just too fast. I rode bikes in the 70's in a place that was much more open and less crowded than our roads here. I didnt like the odds then, and I surely wouldnt like to be on a bike here in these freeways these days. I sense a certain arrogance on the part of the local riders on the freeway. All I can say is that if if there is an accident, it will hurt you a lot more than it will hurt me. So enjoy it.

Modify the Law wrote on Jun 4, 2007 6:54 AM:If there's now no good reason for the motorcycle to keep moving while the traffic is stopped then it seems the law should be modified. If the traffic is going less then 15 mph then let the motorcycles come through but if traffic is traveling faster then that it should be against the law. And before everyone starts with "its our right" remember, we're now told to buckle up. Its a safety issue - nothing more.

Ray wrote on Jun 4, 2007 7:56 AM:In most other states with the exception of "the granola state" motorcycles are treated the same as any other vehicle meaning that a motorcycles is required to occupy the same roadway space as any other vehicle. Riding between lanes is strictly illegal and very dangerous to other motorists at any speed. I have had over fifty near misses in the last twenty years where I almost had a motorcycle slam into my car during a lane chance. California needs to modify it's laws to require motorcycles to adhere to the same requirements and roadway space as any other vehicle.

To old to ride: wrote on Jun 4, 2007 8:32 AM: Perhaps there are only a few bikers that see fit to run through residential neighborhoods, exceeding the speed limit and trying to break the ear drums of the people who live there. They are overgrown children looking for attention. Biking seems to give pleasure to a lot of people, and they seem to be well organized. Since the San Diego County Sheriff can't, or will not, control them, it seems that they could control themselves through their organizations. "Free spirited" does not mean criminal.

Just Ride wrote on Jun 4, 2007 9:24 AM:I recall about 5 years ago, southbound I-15 near HWY 76 traffic was stop and go because of a crash ahead. Just as a motorcycle passed me (splitting lanes), a car in front of me did not see him and decided to change lanes. The motorcyle hit the cars mirror and then ping-ponged between two more cars ahead. When he hit the third vehicle, his motorcycle fell to the ground the the guy slammed into the tailgate of a truck. The guy in the motorcycle was hurt pretty bad.

PK wrote on Jun 4, 2007 10:08 AM:One important fact that was left out from this article is that for every motorocycle that you see splitting, that is one less car adding to the back-up.

GFN wrote on Jun 4, 2007 10:13 AM:I don't feel sorry for race car drivers who get injured when they crash; football players who break a neck or a knee; sky-divers who hit the ground sans parachute; mountain climbers who freeze to death at, 14,000 feet in December, or motorcyclists who get crushed while they are split-lane driving. You take the risk; you pay the price.

Should be illegal wrote on Jun 4, 2007 10:17 AM:It's high time that lane splitting be specifically outlawed in all cases. It's just too dangerous, no matter the conditions, and those free-spirited cyclists who insist on not wearing a helmet are particularly at risk. Why allow cyclists to endanger themselves and others just for the sake of passing some stalled traffic? Wait your turn just like everyone else.

Joe wrote on Jun 4, 2007 10:35 AM:Safe and prudent, is the key. I used to ride m/c. If I had just a nickel for every time some car tried to kill me, I'd be retired by now. You gotta be careful, or you will be dead...

Kyle wrote on Jun 4, 2007 11:50 AM:I ride the I-15 every weekday, and splitting the 1/2 lanes in Escondido is fairly safe. The lanes are wide, and for the most part, drivers are courteous. The lanes do narrow around Via Rancho Parkway, and that's where I merge back into traffic. It looks scary and narrow when you're in a car, I grant you that. But that six foot lane is quite wide for most riders, and if done at a prudent speed (yes, I see knuckleheads riding bikes from ALL countries going FAR too fast) is no more dangerous than crossing the street. p.s. thanks to all you of you who see us coming, and move over a hair. Not needed, but thank you anyways.

re: Should be illegal wrote on Jun 4, 2007 11:57 AM:quit whining, your just jealous. "Wait your turn"? no thanks, I will blow by your gas guzzling SUV at 70 MPH, eat my dust baby!!!!!

RCH wrote on Jun 4, 2007 12:04 PM:I have been riding for 31 years, I split traffic only if it is under 25 mph. Splitting traffic is NOT like "Taking Cuts" because it doesn't shorten or lengthen your commute. I happen to own an air cooled motorcycle and sitting in traffic would destroy my engine, BMW engines are expensive to repair. I have had cars try to "pinch" me off so I could not pass. That is rude. If it bothers you, buy a motorcycle. I was born and raised in San Diego County, lived here my entire life and have seen it go from a nice small town to a city full of rude people who moved here from somewhere else. if you don't like lane splitting, move to where it is illegal.

Oh Brother... wrote on Jun 4, 2007 12:06 PM:For those that want lane sharing outlawed, what has the motorcyclist done to inconvenience you by lane sharing? When they lane share (in a safe manner) they are one less vehicle in your way blocking traffic. Perhaps if more people rode motorcycles and scooters there would be less traffic jams and no one would have to sit in traffic? Also, it is state law for motorcyclists to wear helmets. When I am lane sharing during congested traffic I'm risking my own life, but ask any motorcyclist and they'll say the minute they get on a bike they are risking their lives. We understand this risk and still ride. People who don't pay attention while driving create more risks than motorcyclists lane sharing. I can't tell you how many times I've been cut off in free flowing traffic by people talking on their cell phones, reading books, eating food, applying makeup, not signaling and plain old being mean and aggressive. So, before pigeon-holing motorcyclists into this "evil" entity of law breakers, think about how many people in cars do stupid things, break the laws and kill others on the road. On an end note, whether you drive a car or ride a motorcycle try and be the best, safest, and most courteous driver/rider out there rather than another statistic.

Osider wrote on Jun 4, 2007 12:08 PM:What dont you understand? The law says it is legal to split lanes while traffic is stopped, like at a red light. As for splitting lanes while moving, you will pay the ultimate price. The only safe lane split is when traffic in completely stopped!

To RCH wrote on Jun 4, 2007 12:20 PM:Aside from the display of rude behavior, splitting traffic is exactly like cutting. It may not shorten my commute, but you get to make sure you get there faster (even though you started later) by being an impatient jerk who can't wait in the flow of traffic just like everyone else. Buying a motorcycle also wouldn't change the way traffic splitting bothers me. I used to have one, but I outgrew it once I had a family that also required transportation. Even when I rode, I never split traffic. What really sould be illegal is air cooled engines that can't sit still for more than 3 seconds. Now that's a hazard!

ebonylbb wrote on Jun 4, 2007 12:20 PM:i only object when they decide to jump in front of me and then slow down.

Nutso wrote on Jun 4, 2007 12:34 PM:I don't ride anymore - too dangerous - but I don't mind lane-splitting. Those who argue against it need to realize that having the bikers lane-splitting reduces the wait for all of us - there are motorcycles AHEAD of you, too, and if they're "waiting their turn" they're making your turn that much longer. Lane-splitting is good for all of us, and I try to drift left or right to give the bikers more room.

to JSten ... wrote on Jun 4, 2007 12:38 PM:Go ahead and change lanes, just use your signal. It is the motorcyclist's responsibility to share lanes safely. If you use your signal that alerts any approaching motorcyclist (and your fellow motorists) that you are changing lanes and to act appropriately.

Jeremy S wrote on Jun 4, 2007 12:43 PM:First - For those that think lane splitting is dangerous, for the rider or any other motorist, I challenge you to back it up with some statistics. But I will save you the time and tell you that you can't. Lane splitting is actually SAFER than not. There is a whole list of reasons why, but there's isn't room here to write it all out. Second - Lane splitting at higher speeds is actually SAFER than in stopped or nearly stopped traffic. There are a number of reasons for that as well which is to complex to get into here. I will say the laws of physics plays a big part of that. Knocking over a stationary or slow moving motorcycle is easy. Knocking one over at 60 mph is actually quite difficult. Lane splitting is SAFER for the motorcyclist and SAVES YOU TIME by being one less car you're sitting behind in traffic. Motorcycles and lane splitting is a social good. Be thankful for all those riders and LOOK for them when you change lanes.

to To Old to Ride wrote on Jun 4, 2007 12:43 PM:There are already many motorcycle forums out there and topics such as lane sharing, wearing appropriate gear, etc. are often discussed. Most riders are responsible adults who obey traffic laws and are courteous to others on the freeways and roads. Many of us older and more experienced riders do try to mentor new riders advising them to take the MSF course, wear the appropriate protective gear, save racing through the canyons for the track, etc. Some listen, some don't. We do our best to educate our fellow riders, but we are a country that allows people to live their own lives how they want even if it means killing themselves from stupid choices.

to "To RCH" wrote on Jun 4, 2007 12:48 PM:Why does it bother you so much just because a person on a motorcycle can get from Point A to Point B faster than you can after leaving later? It does not affect your commute. You do not sit in traffic longer because of it. Motorcyclists who share lanes are not being impatient jerks. You try sitting in traffic without air conditioning with a bike engine heating up to over 200 degrees in full leathers (safety gear). I have sat in traffic trying to be "polite" and not lane share. It almost got me killed by the inconsiderate mini van driver who was behind me and blew the red light. I was sitting in my lane waiting like everyone else. After that near death experience I went ahead and shared lanes until I got to the front and away from that crazy driver and then fell back into position with more courteous drivers.

Thanks Nutso! wrote on Jun 4, 2007 12:51 PM:For be courteous and making room for us motorcyclists! :)

Harley Owner wrote on Jun 4, 2007 1:05 PM:I lane split on the 15 all the time. I'm not slowing anyone down by doing it, and in fact am freeing up space in a lane for another car. Some drivers don't like it out of pure spite, I see here, not because of any inconvenience to themselves. As far as lane splitting while moving, it is actually far safer than doing it while stopped. For one it gives drivers the chance to pull away to the side of the bike while it moves through.

RE: to "To RCH" wrote on Jun 4, 2007 1:06 PM:It bothers me because it's rude. Just like a lot of other things bother me that are rude. People who don't use their turn signals, people who throw trash out of their car, people who cut through the parking lot of a business on the corner simply because they don't want to wait for the light, people who can't put shopping carts away when they're done using them, people who share lanes on a motorcycle so they can get in front of me at 65 mph and then slam on their brakes because traffic is slowing down and they were too busy not hitting me to notice what everyone else was doing. I could go on and on and on. Take the risk if you want ... that's your business ... but it's still rude.

Harley Owner wrote on Jun 4, 2007 1:10 PM:Rude? Rude is driving an elephant and complaining because you aren't able to move like a gazelle.

NC Rider wrote on Jun 4, 2007 1:17 PM:I whish all of us would ride motorcycles. Have you seen bikers when they encounter on the street or highway, they're friendly with each other. When was the last time you hear about motorcycle road rage? More motorcycles = better air and better sense of community.

Lane Splitting Safe? wrote on Jun 4, 2007 1:19 PM:What is safe about having a guy on a motorcycle unexpectedly fly by your drivers door window at 70 mph. Talk about a distraction!

I don't get it? wrote on Jun 4, 2007 1:25 PM:How is it rude? Is it because they can keep moving and you can't? It doesn't affect other motorists at all, and as has been mentioned, the more motorcycles on the road means less cars to wait behind. Rude is people in cars that intentionally try to run over bikes or try to cut them off. That is rude. Legally splitting lanes does not affect the other motorists, so why is it that everyone hates it so much? They claim it is because of the safety of the motorcyclist, but if you really delve down deep, it is not that they care for the motorcyclist, it is because the motorcyclist is not stuck in traffic. People on the freeway don't care about the safety of others, if they were they wouldn't be too busy eating, talking on the cell phone, watching DVDs, shaving, applying makeup, have the newspaper draped over the steering wheel, etc. People DO NOT pay attention when they drive, and that is more dangerous to a motorcycle rider than lane splitting. But again, what is the REAL reason you people hate motorcycles that split traffic? "Rude" isn't an acceptable answer either unless you can tell my why exactly it is rude and how it affects you on your daily commute.

I Get It wrote on Jun 4, 2007 1:34 PM:I don't have a commute to be affected. I own my own company and havn't seen a freeway in years. But I can see how it would be at least annoying to other drivers. Seems dangerous to me simply because you can't predict what other people will do. This goes for both sides .. cars and motorcycles. Lane Splitting just seems like an unneccessary risk. Of course that's the bike riders risk to take. More power to you. I'm just glad I'm not out there too.

me wrote on Jun 4, 2007 2:08 PM:I would just like to say that there have been a couple of times while driving that a motorcycle will come by my window and scare the crap out of me, causing me to jerk the steering wheel involuntarily. I know that not all motorcyclists do this but those that do have ruined it for yall.

to RCH wrote on Jun 4, 2007 2:08 PM:Very few riders will intentionally share lanes at 65 mph, and even fewer would slam on their brakes intentionally in front of you at that speed. A motorcycle will stop a lot quicker than a car, so why would a rider risk getting ran over by the car behind them?

Harley Driver wrote on Jun 4, 2007 2:13 PM:Be aware that there are municipalities that do not allow lane splitting. From rumors I have heard Sacramento is going to change the law to make lane splitting legal only when the traffic is moving less than some stated speed (like 20 or 30 mph). Also realize the CHP can pull you over if, while lane splitting, you are speeding or jumping from one lane to another (you can change lanes only so often in a period of time), you get expensive reading material for reckless driving. I must also say while riding on the I15 in my lane, I had a Mustang pull over from my 8 o'clock and force the lane share with ME. The traffic today creates too many frustrated drivers.

Mikki wrote on Jun 4, 2007 2:17 PM:I am still trying to grasp the concept of lane splitting being "rude".... I would rather be thought of as rude than be dead and selfish. We are all supposed to look out for each other whether that be auto, motorcycle, bicycle, pedestrian..... We (motorcyclists) have to pay far more attention to what YOU are doing while paying attention to operating our motor vehicle. You get to be mindless because you are protected by 4000 pounds of steel. I see the things you do while i am driving my 4000 pounds of steel too... I hope you *always* use your blinker and do a simple shoulder check when changing lanes (like DMV *taught* you to do!) I hope you respect the painted lines on the road and always stay within them without drifting because you are doing anything and everything other than actually focusing on the task at hand....driving. I guess now that i think of it...it is pretty rude of me to snap someone out of their "it's-all-about-me" coma. Yeah...it's not a race but i will always get there before you do....and ya know what? so what! why not just be happy for me that I made it there quickly and safely.

Twincam88 wrote on Jun 4, 2007 2:20 PM:As I am moving by you in your cages it is amazing to me how many of you are not buckled up.

LO wrote on Jun 4, 2007 2:28 PM:It's not about who gets there first or taking cuts..it's about being DANGEROUS..and OUT OF CONTROL! This weekend we were on the 5 South, coming up on the 78, we watched a guy on a motorcylce splitting lanes going 80mph, zig zagging in and out of lanes almost slam into the back of a big rig! Everytime I'm on the freeway it seems nowadays, some moron on a motorcylcle scares the C$%# out of me as he flies by my passenger window...in my lane! THIS IS NOT SAFE! I say ban sharing lanes!

Weibor wrote on Jun 4, 2007 2:35 PM:I dont ride and never have, but I dont understand the upheaval over this issue? The law clearly states it is legal. It is not like cutting in line, because unless they (lane sharers) are going to your home, you will still get there when you get there. I see it as no different than a carpool lane. Getting angry at someone because they can do something you cant is pretty childish. I think some of you should spend less time worrying about what others are doing and concentrate on your own life...its too short to get upset over a non-issue.

Mark wrote on Jun 4, 2007 2:38 PM:The CHP is famous for its police motorcycles and if they didn't feel lane-splitting was safe, the state Legislature would prohibit it. The suggestion that it is "cutting" or "rude" are juvenile. North County Times, if you want to write an article about a real issue, do it on mattresses, ladders and miscellaneous debris from unsecured loads causing death, injury and damage. I can't say I've ever been imperiled by a lane-splitting motorcycle; it is all the garbage and speeding road-rage SUV drivers that are the public menace.

To Twincam wrote on Jun 4, 2007 3:21 PM:I hate seat belts as much as I do helmets. Don't wear either one unless I absolutely have to.

Not Bothered wrote on Jun 4, 2007 3:25 PM:I do think lane splitting not only creates an uneccessary & inconsiderate (sometimes even rude )distraction when traveling at high speeds. Similar to cell phones, stereos with too much base, trash throwers,etc. Mostly, however, it just seems like a bad and dangerous idea given the random actions of the already distracted drivers on the road. If you want to split lanes at 65-80 mph on the freeway and run the risk of having your brains scattered all over the freeway then please, by all means, go right ahead. It won't bother me in the slightest.

VF1000R wrote on Jun 4, 2007 3:29 PM:I lane split on the 15 south most every day. I also let a lot of riders go by that I think are going too fast to be safe. I've been doing it for six years now, and haven't had a close one. I have seen several guys hit the deck, and they were all going too fast IMO. (Usually wearing orange vests). It's your choice, but for the guy who said they could stop their bike shorter than a car, you're dead wrong. You've got 0-60 on me, but my Mustang has 60-0 all over you. Not even close.

25 year rider wrote on Jun 4, 2007 3:48 PM:I don't see why anyone should be upset about motorcycles splitting lanes. It has been perfectly legal for as long as I have been riding. Perhaps people are confusing the serious riders (those that wear ...even in the middle of summer.. boots, jeans (or leathers), leather jacket, gloves, and a full-face helmet...and riding cautiously) with the idiots (tennis shoes, short pants, tank tops, zipping in and out of lanes at speeds far higher than the surrounding traffic). Personally, I rarely ride on the freeway (too many clueless people yaking on cell phones) and rarely split lanes; when I do it is only when traffic is stopped or nearly stopped and I am only doing 5 or 10 MPH above the speed of traffic.

If it were dangerous wrote on Jun 4, 2007 3:58 PM:bike riders reduced to oil slicks on the pavement would be more common than toddlers backed over by their soccer moms in SUVs who can't see over the steering wheel. The beef is not the danger, the beef is they (the bikers) are more mobile in heavy traffic than you (the car drivers) are. At least you don't see bloated faced guys on motorcycles choking down jelly doughnuts and a big slurp while yacking on their cell phones like you see in leased German or high end Japanese cars.

to LO and others wrote on Jun 4, 2007 4:00 PM:If motorcyclists are sharing lanes at excessive speeds you bet your bottom dollar that CHP WILL pull them over. Heck, as Harley Driver mentioned CHP will pull you over if you are wobbling over the line weaving back and forth. There is no set paremeters for lane sharing but CHP will pull a motorcyclist over if they feel the rider is being unsafe or breaking traffic laws. I have passed a motorcycle CHP officer while lane sharing in the carpool lane. I approached from behind in a slow, cautious manner, waved and continued on. When the carpool lane opened into a regular I had another rider behind me. I signaled to move to the lane to the right (#2 lane) and then signaled again to move to the #1 lane passing a car. The rider behind me blew across 2 lanes to the right and then back to the left and then continued to weave between the #1 and #2 lanes. The next thing I know there's the motorcycle CHP with lights and siren passing in the median and guess who he pulls over? The one doing unsafe lane changes. So, yes, motorcyclists can be pulled over for unsafe lane sharing but it's up to the local law enforcement to police this not others on the road.

American woman wrote on Jun 4, 2007 4:25 PM:Motorcycle cops do it, too. I find it very irritating, not to speak of scary. I had a son who rode, and I have to say, he was a danger to himself and others right up to the last day he swung a leg over his bike! He trusted that everyone else on the highway with him was aware of, and in accord with him and his bike! You riders should keep it fresh in your minds that there are plenty of nasty folks out there who would love to lay you and your two-wheeler down on the pavement, just for a good laugh. The bottom line is, that all too often the lane splitters end up with split heads...especially with those useless little "lids" they call helmets. I think it's ok to let them use carpool lanes, but they abuse that, too. It's one thing to lane-split at speed, but even then, I've had people "split" right between me and the car next to me. They may as well wear a sign that reads, "Please kill me...I'm ready to die!"

to VF1000R wrote on Jun 4, 2007 4:36 PM:Force equals mass x acceleration. Basically if you have the same rate of negative acceleration then obviously the vehicle with lower mass will stop more quickly, therefore a 400 pound motorcycle v. a 4500 pound car will slow down faster. Duh...

Wow... wrote on Jun 4, 2007 5:38 PM:A lot of curious replies here. I bet not one of the people claiming sharing is dangerous has ever been hit by a bike that was lane-sharing. Of course it has happened occasionally, but usually by idjits who go MUCH faster than is safe while doing it. I've probably conservatively laneshared for at least 24000 miles of my 2-300K miles of riding over the past 22 years in CA (that's the circumference of the Earth), and have never hit anyone. Even when I have had cars change lanes into me without looking, or intentionally tried to squeeze me, throw things out the window at me, etc. I can't speak for the daredevils, but if ya'll could kindly not try to knock me off my bike, I'd be much obliged and out of your way in a jiffy! Thanks!

Wow wrote on Jun 4, 2007 5:39 PM:A lot of curious replies here. I bet not one of the people claiming sharing is dangerous has ever been hit by a bike that was lane-sharing. Of course it has happened occasionally, but usually by idjits who go MUCH faster than is safe while doing it. I've probably conservatively laneshared for at least 24000 miles of my 2-300K miles of riding over the past 22 years in CA (that's the circumference of the Earth), and have never hit anyone. Even when I have had cars change lanes into me without looking, or intentionally tried to squeeze me, throw things out the window at me, etc. I can't speak for the daredevils, but if ya'll could kindly not try to knock me off my bike, I'd be much obliged and out of your way in a jiffy! Thanks!

VN800B wrote on Jun 4, 2007 6:16 PM:For those who complain about the loud motorcycles: We'll stop with the loud pipes as soon as you stop pulling out or turning in front of us & then saying "I never saw him/her." Yeah, I can understand not seeing the zip-splats being ridden at very unsafe speeds, but I've both witnessed & experienced myself drivers pulling out when either my cruiser bike or someone else's that was clearly visible from much further than 200 feet & the bike was riding a legal speed. It's our hope that if you're not going to see (or look for) us motorcyclists at least you might hear us. START LOOKING FOR MOTORCYCLES!

Engineer wrote on Jun 4, 2007 6:43 PM:To VF100R, Force is also a variable. The amount of force appied while braking depends on the brake size and design and the traction of the tires. I found some online stopping distances from 60mph for a VF100R of 120ft and another at 132ft. A 2007 Mustang GT also at 120ft.

GFN wrote on Jun 4, 2007 7:30 PM:Rude? Maybe that's not the right word, but the sudden blast of a noisy engine, especiallly a Harley, is very irritating and annoying, disturbing and distracting. It makes me want to open my door or pull out in front of the next one coming down the lane. I haven't done it...yet.

GregH wrote on Jun 4, 2007 8:57 PM:i'm just tired of all the pollution those bikes put out. NOISE pollution. I can hear a motorcycle far, far away as compared with a car. They have the technology to make them quiet but we all must hear them as they roar on by (especially Harley and the fake people on most of them). I've tried many times to share a lane with a motorcycle but they just never let me into their lane - doesn't it work both ways??

Traffic Jam wrote on Jun 4, 2007 9:25 PM:If more folks rode motorcycles there would be less traffic jams, less smog and less people upset they are being passed while they sit in their gas guzzling SUV. Get over it people, the California Vehicle Code allows two vehicles to share a single lane.

Stopping Distance wrote on Jun 4, 2007 10:27 PM:“To RCH” wrote that his Mustang will stop faster than a motorcycle. “To VF100R” wrote an equation re Force & Mass & Acceleration. I wish I lived in a perfect world. In my real world the MC will out maneuver the car. But in a “lock down, must stop” situation I'll take the car every time. (1) There are more square inches of rubber on the road, (2) in four different places, (3) trying to get stopped. On the MC you have (a) fewer square inches, (b) in two places (c, d, e & f) trying to get stopped, while maintaining balance, downshifting to lower gears while breaking with hand and foot, praying not to hit the oil slick or the loose gravel and debris that is in the center of the lanes and between the lanes. Bikers KNOW the spot on the road that doesn't have oil and debris is in the tire tracks of the cars. If your splitting, your not there. Now who will stop fastest, car or bike? The one that hits the immovable object first. Tree, pole, parked car, whatever. In which case I still want to be the passenger in the car, not the passenger on the MC. Been riding stock, dirt and chopped for 40 years. I've had my share of spills. Like me, they get old.

Harley Driver wrote on Jun 4, 2007 10:41 PM:I have to agree with VN800B, I also have a metric (Japanese bike) and a Harley with loud pipes. I have been pulled in front of on the metric too many times compared to my Harley with loud pipes. Happened today on my metric, the driver never saw me, just pulled out.

Reminder - wrote on Jun 4, 2007 11:14 PM:A little reminder to those of you that think we are rude for splitting lanes, if you deliberately hit us you will be charged with ADW. I've been riding for 43 years, been splitting lanes for 35+ years and have over 200,000 miles logged on my Harley's in the past 6 years alone. The only accident I've had is being rear ended (by a Jeep) while waiting at a red light. While splitting lanes, I will be looking out for the rude, inattentive and reckless drivers.

Reluctant Rider wrote on Jun 5, 2007 7:20 AM:It seems every rider out there has a different idea of what's allowed by law. In fact there is no law in CA that specifically allows lane splitting. It is just that "lane sharing" is not specifically prohibited, as it is in other states. What is clearly illegal is: turning from a direct path/changing lanes (i.e. crossing the lane line) without signalling continuously for 100' before doing so (CA vehicle code sections 22107/22108). Also passing slow/stopped cars on the right, on the shoulder, in the bike lane, is absolutely illegal for all vehicles (section 21755). So, as done in practice by all lane splitters, it's technically all illegal. In the end, it's all up to the discretion of law enforcement, if they observe the splitting, whether they feel it's being done in a safe manner. It's really not technically "legal" in any sense.

GFN is the perfect example wrote on Jun 5, 2007 7:43 AM:People disrespect motorcyclists on a constant basis. Everyday I commute I have at least one person each way that will try to cause me to crash or make an intentional aggressive move at me. If I ever do get hit by an intentional act such as this, I will file assault with deadly weapon charges. Open a door in front of me, and you can bet I will be on 911 in an instant, and not to call an ambulance, I will call the police first. Everyone here is making generalizations about all motorcycle riders based on a select few irresponsible ones. For all you that seem to think that all motorcycles weave through traffic, swith lanes, drive too fast, etc. then maybe you are all just idiot drivers driving lowered Honda Civics with big plastic wings on them weaving down the freeway cutting everyone off and listening to loud bass music. I mean, if one irresponsible motorcyclist classifies all of them, then maybe you should all be classified with that one bad car driver. And trust me, there are a LOT of bad car drivers out there. Look at all the accidents on the freeways, I see far more car/SUV accidents than I do motorcycle accidents.

1200C wrote on Jun 5, 2007 12:32 PM:I commute from Temecula to San Diego and ride a motorcycle most every day. I do lane share through the Escondido area where traffic slows/stops. First off, thank you to those that see me and all the other riders, no need for you to slide over but when you do it lets me know you see me. Yes, there are idiot riders out there that lane share at 70, I apologize for them for they not know what they do. I will say "Loud Pipes Save Lives", I am still amazed that many drivers do not see motorcycles. I believe a motorcycle safety course should be required, not an option. I paid for the course when I started riding, it was the best money I have ever spent. The only "Close Call" I have had lane sharing is almost being hit by the car that didn't use their signal. There is a reason for turn signals, to notify those around you what you are doing.

VF1000R wrote on Jun 5, 2007 12:45 PM:Anyone want to go full lock on the motorcycle, while splitting lanes and dealing with Bots Dots? Any knucklehead can get maximum stopping power from a car, but takes real talent, in ideal conditions to get it on a bike. That precludes any situations on the freeway, including lane splitting. I glanced at my speedo this more, going through nearly stopped traffic. My safe speed was 21 mph. YMMV.

To GFN - Jun 4, 2007 7:30 PM: wrote on Jun 5, 2007 4:49 PM:I'lL give you an invitation. I travel the I-15 daily to San Diego, ride a loud Harley and invite you to, as you put it, "open my door or pull out in front of the next one coming down the lane. I haven't done it...yet." You and I will get aquatinted by that type of action on your part.

Investigator wrote on Jun 5, 2007 6:04 PM:Regardless of the arguments on this topic, if you don't drive/ride safely, you'll guarantee my job will always exist. I'm not there to enforce; unfortunately, I'm there to document the aftermath. People need to share the highway regardless of whether the person operating another vehicle, car or bike, is a jerk. I see motorcyclists running way over 100 all the time, and unfortunately, sometimes come face to face with them, or what's left of them following a crash. The same holds true with motorists who decide to enforce what they perceive as the road rules. One wrong move at freeway speeds and you can end up meeting me, in a not-so-social environment. This isn't a game, folks, this is for keeps. Cuss under your breath at the cyclist who lane splits at high speeds if you wish, as some day their luck will run out. But give him or her all the clearance you can, as you don't need to become a statistic yourself. Be safe and enjoy the ride.

Lane Splitter wrote on Jun 5, 2007 6:21 PM:To all the haters out there- If you're really that P.O.'d about having to sit in traffic for hours on end, slowly moving at 5mph south on I5 and are angry at the lane splitters, what's stopping you from getting a motorcycle and doing it yourself? It's perfectly legal. As you're driving about looking for a parking space, did you know that most establishments allow parking motorcycle in the little wedge of a space at the front of the line of stalls? Or do you actually enjoy yelling at people who "skated" into the spot you've been waiting for? Did you also know that the average motorcycle will get 40mpg as well as produce less emissions than the SUV's you see cloging the freeways? How's that for thinking green? And to top it all off, instead of joining the rest of us in our quest for quick transportation, fuel efficiency, easy parking and fun all rolled into one neat little package, you boo the thought of two wheels because you all ran out and purchased the biggest SUV you could find. Guess you really want OPEC to rule the world.

Jon wrote on Jun 5, 2007 7:07 PM:GFN wrote on Jun 4, 2007 7:30 PM: " Rude? Maybe that's not the right word, but the sudden blast of a noisy engine, especiallly a Harley, is very irritating and annoying, disturbing and distracting. It makes me want to open my door or pull out in front of the next one coming down the lane. I haven't done it...yet. " Here is my problem with this buddy. You say that we are annoying and rude, and irritating. Does that really give you the right to vigilante justice? I annoy you so you are aloud to try and kill me? Are you serious? Does that mean that when I get tailgated by an Expedition, I can shoot out their tire at 80 mph? Does it mean that I should start breaking peoples windows for cutting me off? Does it mean that I can break off side view mirrors when people try and get into a lane that I am already in? All of these things annoy me. Open your door on one of us and watch your ass go to jail for at the very least manslaughter if not murder.

JohnnyD wrote on Jun 5, 2007 9:43 PM:" " Rude? Maybe that's not the right word, but the sudden blast of a noisy engine, especiallly a Harley, is very irritating and annoying, disturbing and distracting. It makes me want to open my door or pull out in front of the next one coming down the lane. I haven't done it...yet. " Why in God's name would you ever do that? Perhaps the exhaust noise prevents you from talking on your cell phone?

Rider in NorCal wrote on Jun 6, 2007 7:54 AM:Having read all of the comments here, it seems a common response to lane-sharing bikes is surprise, which leads quickly to fear, then, of course, anger. This simply tells me that all the car/truck/SUV drivers posting here are so caught up in their lives that they are paying no attention to their driving. If you were aware of your surroundings, bikes wouldn't surprise you. Please do ALL of us a favor, and hang up the phone, shave at home, read the paper AFTER you get to work, etc, etc, etc. Lane sharing is perfectly legal, and, provided 'cage' drivers drive legally, it is also perfectly safe.

SoCalSportRiders wrote on Jun 6, 2007 8:01 AM:Many of the comments here are ignorant of the facts of the law. Lane SHARING (not splitting) is legal for two reasons 1) safety to the rider and 2) to prevent engine damage. Many motorcycles are air cooled and do not have a radiator to help cool their engines. Sitting still in traffic can cause temperatures to rise and possible engine damage as well as premature heat exhaustion to a safe rider wearing proper gear. As always in life there are educated and uneducated riders and drivers who must share the road ways, they belong to all of us and it’s our job to proceed safely down them, void of rage. Many of the comments I have read here show the immaturity of both sides and the lack of wanting to learn better and safer driving techniques as well as the law. Riding is a skill that must be sharpened, but so is driving to a far lesser extent as your life isn’t on the line in the same manor as ours. As a responsible motorcyclists, many of us must endure the bad apples that ruin our reputation as sensible, educated riders who train and hone our skills in safety courses and in closed track education programs to be able to safely LANE SHARE! -Will

Get a life wrote on Jun 6, 2007 4:01 PM:There is a very good reason to lane split and that is for the rider to avoid being crushed by someone on a cell phone or playing with their stereo. If people would learn to merge into the flow of traffic correctly and always be aware of their surroundings we would not need to lane split. And how many times have you exceeded the speed limit?? how many times have you rolled through a stop sign?? What we as motorcycle riders do is perfectly legal. I read the comments and All I can say is some are just jealous that they are stuck in traffic and have no way out but to sit and wait. You choose to work where you do you choose the live where you do as well so don't try to run my life when I'm endangering no one.

Change lanes and loose wrote on Jun 6, 2007 4:06 PM:I'm a rider and a few of the comments here tick me off for someone to say they will swerve over to keep the bike from going by or change lanes in front of them. It people like you that should be in jail. Try that when I'm on the road I'l take your mirror off with my fist. Have you ever heard of vehicular manslaughter??? Cut off a ride intentionally and see if you don't land in jail

Nick wrote on Jun 7, 2007 11:49 AM:Who cares? Ride a bike on our roads and put your life at risk, that is your choice. Quit your whining! Lane split all you like, I could care less. If you happen to be lane splitting 20 miles faster then the speed of traffic and see my 9,000lb jacked-up Ford Diesel wrapped in steel bumpers with it's blinker on and changing lanes, my advice would be to not pass me. Pretty simple huh? For the record, real men ride hardtails until they get to old!

So Nick? wrote on Jun 7, 2007 1:47 PM:Are you not a real man (your not riding a hardtail), or are you just too old?

Nick wrote on Jun 7, 2007 2:45 PM:I'm 40 now and my kidneys and back just won't take it. Sold the bike to a good friend who rides it daily. Safer in my truck anyways.

Yes, Nick wrote on Jun 7, 2007 3:36 PM:I know, I am 62 and riding a Dyna. Need a comfortable seat and full suspension. Doing a lot of long distance riding through the South West.

Hey, Nick wrote on Jun 7, 2007 7:37 PM:If you use your blinkers, it is all cool with me. That means you are better than 90% of the drivers out there on the freeways, and I for one appreciate you using signals. I have no problem with you. I will give you plenty of room when you switch lanes. Bummer you sold your bike, hope your health gets better and you can ride again someday.

Nick wrote on Jun 7, 2007 8:14 PM:I'll ride again fellas, but it will have to wait until I can afford a ride like Yes, Nick. Cushy, I kind like the sound of that. My kids cost to much these days, school, insurance, clothes, you guys know the deal. I do miss that old knucklehead though.....

The Chad wrote on Jun 9, 2007 1:26 AM:To the ignorant " I'lL give you an invitation. I travel the I-15 daily to San Diego, ride a loud Harley and invite you to, as you put it, "open my door or pull out in front of the next one coming down the lane. I haven't done it...yet." You and I will get aquatinted by that type of action on your part. " _____Those with this attitude are the same people who cause the rest of the world to hate us! NOT BUSH or WAR

CHiP wrote on Jun 10, 2007 5:48 PM:Yeah, I am retired from 20 years on motors. Lane splitting, just like riding in general, can be safe or not depending on the rider, their experience, weather and traffic conditions. Splitting, when done properly, is very safe--and in some cases much safer than not lane splitting--especially in stop and go traffic. In traffic moving at a steady clip, sometimes the safest opportunity to split lanes and move forward is when there are two cars side by side going close to the same speed and are in a position to see each other. The reason is that they are less likely to change lanes into you--even if they don't see you--because they do see the other car right next to them. Of course caution and timing is essential, but such a practice is much safer than lane weaving/splitting because that is when the other drivers are most likely to change lanes into you.

Diane wrote on Jun 11, 2007 9:09 AM:Lane splitting? Go for it, motorcycle riders ought to get some benefit out of having to risk their lives just being on the road with all the stupid, lousy, rude drivers. At least they aren't talking on a cell phone and holding up traffic like so many of the idiot drivers do every day. You can always tell when some lousy driver is yapping on the cell phone because they are in the middle to far left lanes, hitting their brake and there isn't a car within a mile in front of them but there are plenty of cars at least two miles behind them. It takes an awful lot of guts to ride a motorcycle while surrounded by idiots.

Jeff wrote on Jul 3, 2007 10:15 PM:It's called lane SHARING, not lane SPLITTING. Nick, at least you signal, I wish more drivers did that. Open a car door intentionally on a passing motorcyclist, and YOU may not even make it to jail depending on the ride. Fake or not, some riders are badass and hardcore, are you sure you want to mix it up with such a person? Bottom line, it is not illegal, nor legal, just permitted if done in a safe and prudent manner. The CHP or local law enforcement get to make that call, NOT YOU. Credit where credit is due. Alot of drivers are courteous and some even move over just a little bit to give us some breathing room. To those drivers, I say thank you :)

Kim wrote on Aug 9, 2007 8:16 AM:I just lane split for the first time yesterday and before I did I really thought about it. I read articles about it and most said the same thing, for a motorcyclist it's safer to lane split (depending on conditions and the rider) then waiting in traffic and being rear-ended. For the people who say its rude and cutting in line you should know that most motorcycle accidents happen because people in there cars arn't paying attention. How many fender bender accidents have you seen or been involved in, now imagine if you were rear ended on a bike. Personally I think a petition needs to be started to get a motorcycle only lane on the freeway, they have them for bicycles on the street why not for morotcycles on the freeway.

Nancy wrote on Oct 25, 2007 9:09 AM:I live in a state where it is NOT legal to split lanes, but I do it anyway. I do it during rush hour traffic to and from work in a city where there is a HUGE traffic congestion problem, Atlanta. I do own a car, but choose to use only 3.5 gallons of gas a week rather than commute all alone in a gas guzzling, traffic jamming, soldier killing SUV. People open their doors on me, pull their cars over the line to block me, yell obscenities at me. I can handle the obscenities...but what gives these people the right to turn their vehicle into a deadly weapon? Common sense should tell them that their actions could and probably would cause me serious injury. I lane split only when traffic is stopped or crawling...and I wave politley as many cars move over and give me room to pass thru. Yes, what I'm doing is illegal...but I'm not doing it with malicious intent or the intent to harm anyone. I'll take a ticket for my actions if I'm ever cited for it...I'm a grown woman and am fully aware of the consequences of my actions. It's time these cagers started thinking about the consequences of theirs...not just using their vehicle as a weapon, but the lives that are lost so that they can fill their gas guzzling machine up at the pump every day. It's not about "getting ahead" of anyone...good Lord *rolling eyes*. Traffic congestion is a serious problem in large cities throughout the US...a motorcycle uses parts of the road that are unused...more commuters on motorcycles means less traffic in the lanes. Let a motorcyclist pass thru safely, sure, they'll get there before you do but I guarantee you they won't hold you up in your lane. Studies show it's safer for a motorcyclist to be moving between cars rather than sitting in stopped traffic with the possibility of getting rear-ended and sandwiched by an inattentive driver. Even a little "fender bender" which wouldn't even put a scratch on a cager can cause serious injury to a motorcyclist. Educate yourselves on the studies of lane splitting (in a safe manner) before you speak on it. And use a little common sense in your cage...a "split" decision could cost someone their life.

LISTEN HERE wrote on Oct 30, 2007 7:29 PM:For starters for those of you that don't ride or ride something that is half the width of a car, you should not have a right to post. You do not know what it is like and chance are you never will. If you think it is "unfair" then why don't you go get a motorcycle licence, learn to ride safley, and split lane. In Ca ANYONE can get their licence if you are half cordinated. If you can't get it than you shouldn't be driving a car anyways. You wonder why bikes come flying by before you notice them. THAT'S THE POINT. why would we want you to know we are coming? so you have a chance to make sure you grab the door handle in time to open it? think about these things outside the box from a riders point of view. Learn to ride before you post against motorcyclist. And learn to ride does not mean 55 mph staring at your front wheel. It means fully aware and ready for any situation like all riders should be.

steve42712 wrote on Dec 27, 2007 6:11 PM:I have learned that Kentucky is ratifying a law to allow splitting there!!!!

Kev wrote on May 6, 2008 1:43 PM:Just liked to follow on from this, even though we're a few months further down the line. I'm a lane slider or splitter as it's termed here. I see no wrong in it as long as I'm respectful to other road users. I don't go bombing past, I don't pass taffic which is going faster than say 20 mph and if my path is blocked by a car or wide vehicle, I sit patiently and wait for the chance to go through. The whole thing for me is about integrity and respect for others but one of the main reasons I have a bike is to avoid getting caught in traffic which happens all the time on our no so Great British Isles, so if I can get through safely, I will.

kt wrote on Jun 17, 2008 11:15 AM:This morning on the 405 freeway I was the last of sort of a group 3 or 4 cars doing about 75 in the carpool lane. At one point I realized there were three motorcycles behind me, over by the double yellow line, including one that I could hardly see right on the line behind my right rear fender.

He flew by between me and the car in the fast lane, then pulled over in front of me and suddenly slowed down. He slapped his left hand on his helmet by his ear a couple of times - I don't know if that was meant as some sort of signal to me. (I was not on the phone, if that's what he was trying to indicate - I was listening to a CD on the car's stereo.)

Then all of a sudden (yes, he was into sudden moves) he crossed the double yellow line and started riding in the fast lane. Then one of the other two came up and joined him. Then they took off down the double yellow line and I didn't see them again - they must have been going 80 or 85.

The third motorcyclist, who had a different kind of bike and apparently was not with the other two, just stayed behind me and happily rode at 75 mph. He was still peacefully riding there when I got off at my exit about 15 minutes later.

So when people in cars are faced with behavior like those first two guys, what are we supposed to think? I'm sorry to say, but it's not an uncommon occurrence. But then again that third guy was someone I was happy to share the road with.