Day Laborers 1 - Vista Citizen's Brigade - 0 wrote on Jun 26, 2007 10:19 PM:It still is the most popular hiring site. All this trouble for nothing. The same amount of men if not more gather there for work. I think it is great that the City is finally going to something for the convenience of the people since they screwed us by instituting this ordinance. Mike Spencer needs to shut his yap already! I live in Vista and I registered to hire these guys because they work hard. I offered work to the minutemen when they were out there but no of them would take the job...see what I mean we need the day laborers and that is that! Thank you ACLU!!!!

Mike America wrote on Jun 27, 2007 3:31 AM:Re: Day laborers-1, Vista Citizens Brigade-0. You're a great American, pal; too bad you're in the minority. Better stick close to your buddies at the American CRIMINAL Liberties Union.

Skip wrote on Jun 27, 2007 4:24 AM:Once the current Amnesty bill passes, then all of these day laborers can come out of the shadows, and legally get jobs at the Grocery Stores. Then the tables will be turned and American Citizens will be standing on the street corners. Remember you do not have to speak English to scan the bananas.

Big Richard wrote on Jun 27, 2007 4:30 AM:The city of vista did not screw you. You simply chose to find workers in a city who is trying to enforce the law. As far as asking the Minuite Men to work for you that sounds pretty ignorant. They were not out there looking for work. I should ask you to come wash my car I bet I would get the same response. If you try an make a point at least make it make sense!

Joe wrote on Jun 27, 2007 4:50 AM:Local, established people won't do the work. They are too cool or too entrenched in the welfare system.

Adam wrote on Jun 27, 2007 6:40 AM:I hear there is a job opening at a company that does water maintenance work in Carlsbad.

Jennifer wrote on Jun 27, 2007 6:48 AM:You need to find cheap labors and that justifies you to hire illegal immigrants? I think what you need is to ask the government to offer you a better system to help you find "legal" immigrants effectively. Hiring illegal immigrants breaks the immigration laws. ACLU, many irresponsible politicians and business men like you don't care about it and that's why our immigration laws are so helpless now. You all ought to be blamed. Bush's amnesty bill sucks and the government should punish those who hire illegal immigrants and give more legal visas for legal temporary workers.

Robert24 wrote on Jun 27, 2007 7:08 AM:"I live in Vista and I registered to hire these guys because they work hard". No, you registered because you had to, and because you are too cheap to hire real help that is here legally. You think the City "screwed" us with the ordinance, but it is folks just like you that continue to create jobs for people like this (illegals). As for offering the work to the Minutemen, why didn't you do it yourself? Sorry, you, and others like you, screwed us legal folks by being too lazy and too cheap to do the work yourself or get the proper help on your yard work and other menial jobs, and choose to continue to support this illegal activity.

I am being hassled by the wrote on Jun 27, 2007 7:26 AM:day laborers as I walk by with my daughter. I guess I am now going to have to call police, police, police and press charges, luckly I have a portable voice activated tape recorder. And I might remind ACLU sexual vulgarity to a child under 9 years old is a major crime that I will prosecute to the fullest extent of the law!

Hooray!!!! wrote on Jun 27, 2007 7:27 AM:I live in Vista but I work in Los Angeles and I have not had a chance to get down there and register. This is good news for me that I do not have to fear getting a fine for hiring anyone to work in MY yard. That is a good compromise, thank you to our City Council for that much at least, although I still think the Labor Ordinance is waste of taxpayer money.

Greg in Oceanside wrote on Jun 27, 2007 7:35 AM:You build it, they will come. In this case, you allow it they will come. In other words, Vista allows so-called "day laborers" to solicite work, which encourages potential "employers" to come and hire this cheap labor. Well, this is exactly why Mexicans are sneaking into our country. It's time we prohibit "day-labor" hiring. And it's time we require citizenship for jobs these day-laborers are doing. It's time we have programs in place to help employers find American citizens who will do the jobs they're currently using illegal aliens to do.

-Home Depot is Fed Up wrote on Jun 27, 2007 7:50 AM:Home Depot is tired of being forced by local governments to accommodate the day laborers who turn up in its store parking lots seeking construction work. So the Georgia-based company turned to Congress for help. The Senate could respond this week by attaching language to the immigration bill that would prohibit city councils from requiring home improvement stores to pay for shelters or other services to help maintain orderly day labor sites.

-Skip wrote on Jun 27, 2007 7:53 AM:The situation at the Home Depot in San Diego, on Market Street, has gotten so out of hand with up to a hundred or more day laborers lurking in the parking lot and nearby streets that Home Depot has resorted to hiring Armed private security guards to keep the laborers out of their immediate parking lot.

Concerned-1 wrote on Jun 27, 2007 8:12 AM:If there's so much "work that Americans won't do," why are there unemployed, illegal aliens hanging out on street corners?

VistaRES wrote on Jun 27, 2007 8:13 AM:Finally good news! I agree, the guys out there do work hard & they are seeking employment, instead of being theives or breaking into homes in order to make ends meet, PLUS alot of those men & women are not illegal immigrants. THANK YOU ACLU.....

Sub standard pay wrote on Jun 27, 2007 8:17 AM:Day laborers may work hard, but they do it for less than Americans can and the companies who hire them are committing tax evasion. Pure and simple, it is the closest thing we have in this country to slave labor and it is shameful that we allow an exploited class of workers who break the law to enter the country to enable companies to reward owners, shareholders and CEO's. Maybe if Day Laborers 1 did business legally and offered a living wage, the minutemen would have gladly taken his jobs. Just remember, it may be your job next that "Americans won't do" because your company wants to pay less than you are making!

Andrea wrote on Jun 27, 2007 8:41 AM:What is there not to understand about the term "illegal"? If you got to the US illegally, you should be thrown out on your ... - not favored, and catered to. An illegal can be any race, creed, color or national origin - it doesn't matter and it isn't discrimination - it is upholding the LAWS of our great nation so that it isn't torn down by those who disrespect us. Anyone who breaks the law should be treated the same way - put in jail. There are established ways of finding employment here in the US - and they doesn't involve loitering, congregating or turning the community into a cesspool of activities that undermine our ability to advance as a society.

Ron wrote on Jun 27, 2007 8:46 AM:Does this mean if I am in violation of a city ordinance, I'll be given the same opportunity to "get legal" after the fact? And not be fined?

To Day Laborers 1 wrote on Jun 27, 2007 9:01 AM:I am sure it has nothing to do with the fact that you will not bother to report their wages right? Do you send payroll tax checks for all their wages to the city, state, county and federal govermnments like the rest of us? I guess that it is probably no, and if no, it makes you a criminal too.

Miguel wrote on Jun 27, 2007 9:02 AM:Overheard recently on a street corner in Escondido. Jose & Carlos are panhandling on the street. Jose drives a Mercedes, lives in a mortgage free house and has plenty of money to spend. Carlos only brings in 2 to 3 dollars a day. Carlos asks Jose how he can bring home a suitcase full of $10 bills every day. Jose says "Look at your sign. It says: I have no work, a wife and 6 kids to support." Carlos looks at Jose's sign. It reads "I only need another $10.00 to move back to Mexico."

NCT wrote on Jun 27, 2007 11:15 AM:You are a joke.

Steve wrote on Jun 27, 2007 11:59 AM:To Robert24: Way to go.... putting the money into the hands of illegals instead of doing the right thing. The right thing being: A - going to the yellow pages and finding a private contractor to professionally do the job you needed done (putting money into Hard Working American Hands). Or B - Picking up a case of beer or other beverages and having some buddies come over on a weekend or evening to help you out. Again, way to go Robert24. Screwing over America in your own little way.

Time to hire wrote on Jun 27, 2007 12:02 PM:illegal aliens to do the work the Amercian president and the American senate won't do!

Why doesn't the ACLU wrote on Jun 27, 2007 12:05 PM:sue the town in TX that made Spanish it's official language? What the heck is wrong with the leaders of this country?

Shaky Jake wrote on Jun 27, 2007 12:34 PM:Steve, So when I move I'm supposed to shell out three times what I would pay day laborers just to use a "Bonded" company? If corporations didn't shake us down, I would use them. It's what the conservative radio hosts call "market demand" to justify controlling 90% of the airways. It's a free market, but only for certain parties, and Steve the Minute Man will decide who. BTW you cannot jail an undocumented immigrant just for being here, as being undocumented is only a CIVIL offense, not a criminal offense. This FACT is often conveniently overlooked by the insane, racist immigration vigilantes who think (maybe not) that jailing and deporting 12 million people is the solution to an overblown immigration "problem".

KJ wrote on Jun 27, 2007 12:36 PM:going to the yellow pages and finding a private contractor to professionally do the job you needed done (putting money into Hard Working American Hands). Why pay the contractor 40 bucks or so an hour when his workers 90% of them moved here from mexico and he is only going to pay them ten bucks to have THEM do the work and pockets the rest. In construction and landscaping you really think all the workers are legal. The contractor is making money off them and paying them what they arent worth because where they are from.

Creature wrote on Jun 27, 2007 12:37 PM:Just great... I have to work hard and lose a large part of my income to taxes while illegal aliens get paid cash and don't pay taxes. Not only that, since my wife and I don't have kids, we're paying for schools and other government programs for illegal aliens and their kids from our taxes.

Fred H wrote on Jun 27, 2007 12:42 PM:If we must call illegal aliens "undocumented workers" I suggest we call all drug dealers 'unlicensed pharmacists'.

foursquare wrote on Jun 27, 2007 12:48 PM:Illegal aliens have no right to work in America. Yet, we read in the news article. “David Blair-Loy, legal director of the local chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union, said:” "The ACLU is pleased to work with the city of Vista to resolve this case in a pragmatic way that addresses everyone's interests …. We hope this agreement will protect both employers and workers who fill an important role in the local economy." In other words, this agreement functions as an equation of political economy not as a legal relation of the parties involved. The ACLU appears more concerned with economic outcomes for illegal aliens and the individuals who use their labor at low cost. Unfortunately, America now exists in a near-vacuum of enforcement of immigration and related labor law, which activity falls largely to the federal authorities. Every other modern country, including Mexico, controls who lives and works in the country. The agreement between the City of Vista and the ACLU, as reported, provides no explanation for the apparent ACLU belief that America should not follow suit. But we may certainly glean from the published excerpts that the ACLU unpatriotically sides with illegal aliens over the wider interests of America in ending illegal immigration. If truly interested in “everyone’s interests,” the ACLU would muster and apply its considerable legal resources to the feeing of America of illegal aliens.

Stuart wrote on Jun 27, 2007 1:16 PM:The way to stop illegal immigration and people standing on the street corners making degrading remarks to nine year old girls is to buy off certain politicans in Mexico. You know they are corrupt. I know they are corrupt. Everybody knows they are corrupt. Line the pockets of key politicans in Mexico, and a general or two, and that border will be sealed overnight, on the Mexican side.

RS wrote on Jun 27, 2007 1:20 PM: We need to blame ourselves for all the Illegal aliens for coming to the USA. If we where not so lazy and mowed our own lawns they would not be coming here is the first place. They could care less about us. They just want all the free stuff we provide them. Vista needs to wake up other wise that city is going to be another TJ.

Fairness Docterine wrote on Jun 27, 2007 1:44 PM:means that now main stream media must give equal time to Americans who refuse to pay taxes to aid illegal aliens. The NCT must now also give equal time to ALL different nationalities for round table discussions! The ACLU and all media must also give equal defense to all Americans not just illegal aliens or be prepared to face massive law suits! All politiican that wish to present only their agenda will find him or herself out of office so fast it will make heads spin. No more liberal agenda, or again massive lawsuits will be filed. Papers and television such as those run by Murdoch will find themselves out of business and Murdoch a very poor man. I like this!!!

Too Far Gone wrote on Jun 27, 2007 1:59 PM:Vista and Escondidio are too far Gone. They both have Mexican names and they both look like Tijuana. Anyone who doesn't want to live in the crowded, dirty messes created by the illegal immigration problem needs to move to an affluent area that the multiple families can't afford. Lets see us legal American citizens should all buy houses together in Rancho Santa Fe and live as multiple families that is how the Mexicans do it. Thank Bush and the Senate for trying to legalize 12-20 million more. Like the Simpson-Mazzoli Bill that legalized 3 million that turned into 20 million the new bill will turn the 12-20 million into 36-60 million. Then you can kiss the United States of America away.

NCLOCAL wrote on Jun 27, 2007 2:05 PM:To: Creature VOTE

Robert24 wrote on Jun 27, 2007 2:17 PM: Steve wrote on Jun 27, 2007 11:59 AM: " To Robert24: Way to go.... putting the money into the hands of illegals instead of doing the right thing. The right thing being: A - going to the yellow pages and finding a private contractor to professionally do the job you needed done (putting money into Hard Working American Hands). Or B - Picking up a case of beer or other beverages and having some buddies come over on a weekend or evening to help you out. Again, way to go Robert24. Screwing over America in your own little way." Steve; I think you missed my point! I was bagging on Day Laborers 1 for his comment, and saying that he was too cheap to do the work himself or legally. I guess I just painted the picture as to be misinterpreted. I am an in total agreement with you, and was trying to say the same thing. Sorry you misunderstood me.

Vista City Council wrote on Jun 27, 2007 2:27 PM:The Vista City Council is responsible for protecting the community. They need to protect these laborers and those who hire them. The City officials by instituting this ordinance have said it is okay to hire these guys as long as you register. If it is illegal why are the city officials condoning the hiring of these guys? I like the way these guys work and I pay them a fair wage it is a win win situation. Good to hear the City is making easier for those who voted them into office to get their needs met. For once some logic was used by City officials after the fiasco of putting this ordinance in effect without advising the community of what they were doing. Good thing the ACLU is around to take care of our best interest.

Hire a Marine wrote on Jun 27, 2007 2:29 PM:For $10,00 per hour you can hire an American Marine who will come to your house, etc., and do whatever you pay a criminal illegal.

Hire a Marine wrote on Jun 27, 2007 2:30 PM:For $10.00 per hour you can hire an American Marine who will come to your house, etc., and do whatever you pay a criminal illegal.

To Big Richard wrote on Jun 27, 2007 2:30 PM:I would not wash your car!!!! I do not wash my own car, or mow my lawn or trim the shrubs in my yard that is why I registered to hire day laborers to that for me. We already know that the minutemen don't want to work they just want to hassle those who do.

let's see... wrote on Jun 27, 2007 2:50 PM:so many of you are worried about companies finding employees for lower wages...how many of you shop at walmart? keep shopping there and see how many americans lose there jobs... because YOU want to get the LOWEST price and SAVE money...is this not the same? when you shop walmart you also take away jobs from americans...mom & pop shop close down, factories close down...and this is on a much larger scale.... oh, please give me a break "that is how the mexicans do it" where do you come from...every race has lived with family members to get ahead in life...not just "mexicans".

Oh that reminds me wrote on Jun 27, 2007 3:27 PM:the fairness doctorine means the politicans have to tell the American people that they are going to force the American people into accepting Amnesty for all illegals including the M13 gangs and terrorist coming into America to kill Americans and their children. I LOVE THE FAIRNESS DOCTORINE!

Karl wrote on Jun 27, 2007 3:35 PM:KJ, do you really believe that most contractors hire illegals? Do you also believe that "the contractor pays 40 bucks or so an hour when his workers 90% of them moved here from mexico and he is only going to pay them ten bucks to have THEM do the work and pockets the rest"? Us legitimate contractors not only hire legal citizens we have to pay social security, state disability insurance, liability insurance, automobile insurance, health insurance etc. It doesn't take long for $10 an hour to turn into $40. I guarantee you that if one of your undocumented workers is injured on your property working for you it'll cost you thousands of dollars per hour.

The ACLU and the politicans wrote on Jun 27, 2007 3:55 PM:are frightening me, I am deeply depressed, fearful to leave my house because the politicans and ACLU want criminals to be here in America. I am losing weight, can't sleep and am terrified to go out into public for fear of being attacked by illegals and terrorist. If anyone knows a good attorney that can protect me from the fear that the politicans are creating I would appreciate it very much. I would be wiling to give all of my court settlement to any attorney that can help me and thousands of others, possibly a class action lawsuit.

Big Richard wrote on Jun 27, 2007 4:14 PM:Your reasoning is totally flawed. Minute men working or not working isn't even the issue. The issue is people enabeling illegals to earn a living in a place they have no right to be. As far as someone hiring a complete stranger off the street to come to thier home for any reason is dangerous. I hope you dont have any kids or a wife.

Attorney Day Laborer wrote on Jun 27, 2007 4:26 PM:I'm an active member of the California Bar. I have extensive experience in real estate and transactional law. I would like to begin offering legal services for cash from a street corner in Vista. Two of my friends, a mechanical engineer and a cardiologist, would like to join me. We are simply following the example of enterprising day laborers who are the trendsetters of the new millenium. For cash under the table, I will charge my clients $200 per hour instead of $400. I hope to be out there on Saturday - look for a large walnut desk and credenza stacked up with relevant treatises and codes. No, I will not be wearing one of those old school white wigs. God bless the underground economy! Paying taxes is really a drag. By the way, I urge you to support amnesty - or a pathway to forebearance - for my substantial student loan debt.

To Karl wrote on Jun 27, 2007 4:47 PM:If a anyone is injured on my property I have medical payments coverages on my homeowners insurance policy and if his medical expenses or he has some kind of permanent injury that exceeds my medical pay limit than my liability insurance will go into play. I am completely protected so try a different angle.

T wrote on Jun 27, 2007 4:56 PM:The first thing we need to be worried about is that they are ILLEGAL to start, an should not be here. Why dosent the imigration just pick them up an send them home? The second thing is they all drive around in their cars with Mexican flags saying "viva la raza" if they love Mexico so much why dont they go back!!!

To Attorney Day Labor wrote on Jun 27, 2007 5:01 PM:Like I said I am terrified, can't sleep losing weight and fearful of going outside. I would like to hire you to protect my rights. I am willing to give you all of my court settlements against the ACLU and the Government. God bless you sir! I am quite proficient in looking up law and court rulings I would help you for free!

Karl wrote on Jun 27, 2007 5:17 PM:KJ you had better check your policy and make sure it covers illegal hires. By your logic I should pay all my employees under the table and demand that my customers do likewise so that I can compete and not pay taxes. That would be great. Better yet, if all employers paid cash the pesky government would run out of money and cease to exist and then we could all play by any rules we want.

Reardon wrote on Jun 27, 2007 5:32 PM:To Attorney Day laborer: How deliciously insensitive -- wish I had thought it up first! You could start a real trend -- not the underground economy, which has existed for centuries, but highly visible tax evasion that has government sanction for U.S. Citizens. If you happen to be Latino, you will be O.K. under de facto or de jure Sanctuary City philosophy, but if you are a U.S. citizen you will be arrested within an hour. (There seems to be a double-standard that is not quite racist since Latinos and most U.S. citizens are all Caucasians.) Stake out your territory with care, because 65,000 unemployed and generally unemployable current grocery workers will soon be looking for their own street corner. Good Luck!

American woman wrote on Jun 27, 2007 6:08 PM:What a great concept! Good for the attorney!

Steve wrote on Jun 27, 2007 6:12 PM:To Robert24: Sounds good to me. Sorry for flaming you there. And to KJ, Yes, you are supposed to hire the American contractor. Maybe if people quit using day laborers and used contractors more, the contractors could lower their costs because they would have more jobs available and could bring in more money. This is probably falling on your deaf ears though. To the attorney: too funny!! lol

Carson wrote on Jun 27, 2007 6:48 PM: We never had a problem getting honest people to come in and work when we really needed them. Sacrificing the nation so some snobs can have their illegal labor is out of the question! If we must kiss the keisters of the illegal invaders, it is still a felony to aid and abet them. If some honest men and women, in law enforcement, would go after the lowlifes in the government, business and the general population that have been aiding and abetting them, by the time they had enough of a handle on it to raise their heads from the job and look around I don’t think many illegal aliens would still be left. We don’t need any new laws to do that either. Just some honest men and women!

Carson wrote on Jun 27, 2007 6:50 PM:I’m getting a kick out of this article because I’m NOT an economist. I can sort of see how a myopic economist may be able to see an increase in profits by snuffing the descendants of the founders of this country. That makes room for the criminals in business’s illegal labor. Not only can many of the illegal invaders be paid off in token wages but that also leaves the honest workers stiffed with the invaders taxes, medical and social services. It’s a pure genius way of eliminating any competition. They won’t be able to compete on that playing field. Every day more and more will go under. The part that confuses me is I can see examples of some of the illegal aliens previous work. And… How will all of the crime that surrounds illegal immigration be helping you out when the honest people are forced to join in, in the lawlessness?

Different Angle wrote on Jun 27, 2007 7:05 PM:As noted above, I will be on the corner with my walnut desk, so if one of the day laborers is injured on your property I would be happy to refer him to a personal injury attorney. One of my colleagues (an ambulance chaser) will soon deploy his fine oak desk to a corner in Encinitas. He will represent any injured day laborers and seek substantial damages from negligent homeowners. Perhaps you should increase the amount of your liability coverage.

see Related subject wrote on Jun 27, 2007 9:11 PM:Google "Day Laborers" for the website on the downside of hiring Undocumented, unscreened, and unknown day laborers.

Chris wrote on Jun 27, 2007 10:11 PM:It is not fair to the merchants, people walking down the street or waiting for a bus on the corner of Escondido and Santa Fe, why can't there be a designated area away from that corner, looks pretty bad over there these days.

Todd wrote on Jun 27, 2007 10:18 PM:Those who hire illegal immigrants are only looking for the cheapest labor they can get. Offer a legal person a decent wage and you'll find that we are just as hard working. But we're not dumb enough to accept slave labor at substandard wages.

To; Hire a Marine wrote on Jun 29, 2007 2:37 PM:How do i get hold of a needy American Marine who will come to my house, At least i could communicate, and they got health insurance