You did not say wrote on Jun 30, 2007 11:37 PM:that we have the right to vote on this. Thanks to an ordinance passed by the hard work of Marvin Bledsoe, any use of a public park will require a 50% plus 1 vote of the voters. Thank you Marvin for your foresight. I look forward to seeing if Fabiani and crew will be willing to have the people decide.

Sam wrote on Jul 1, 2007 8:42 AM:Build it and they will come! Look at what's occured in the east village in S D. The most beautiful renovation of a downtown area that was before filled with bars,hookers,bums,and crime. It's high class and high dollar now. San Diego wants to throw a diamond in the rough (the Chargers and the stadium)into a trash can. It's time for Oceanside to see what the SD cannot see. Time for Oceanside to see what Glendale Arizona was able to see. Redevelopment, jobs, an increased tax revenue and tax base, increased property values, ect. If Oceanside approaches this properly they can add on percentages to the building fees, permits, the prices the patrons will pay for tickets, parking, hotel rooms, food and drink, taxi and milo service, renatl car fees, you name it... Think about how the city can profit and then use those dollars to benefit the citizens of Oceanside with enhanced services.

=Rick K wrote on Jul 1, 2007 10:37 AM:Thank you, Thank you, Thank you North County Times for doing an excellent article. Hopefuly this wakes up some of the Oceanside residents who are Rah, Rah Charger fans thinking this stadium is going to bring Oceanside around. Oceanside is turning Around and when the time shares and the hotel at the pier are done our town will be the Hot Spot for tourists. For you Rah, Rahs look at the stadium ugly isnt't it? Is that what you want less than a mile from our beautiful beaches. Is that going to be the welcoming mat for our transforming city? Before you Rah, Rahs get too excited about the Chargers being in your backyard do a little investigation of how Al Davis and the Raiders ripped off both the City of Los Angeles for 4 million(plus court costs) and the City of Irwindale for 10 million plus. Goat Hill is all beachview property less than a mile from the beach. And our city will give them 75+ acres of some of the most valuable property in Oceanside. That property if it were not parkland is worth well over the 500 million that the city of San Diego wants to charge Spanos and his boys. But Spanos and Fabiani wants the Qualcom land for free. San Diego is not that stupid why are our little minor league players in our city that stupid.

:Baloney! wrote on Jul 1, 2007 10:49 AM:Sports stadiums NEVER make money for the host city. And besides, the Chargers are already signalling that they want the land for free or for a $1 a year. To me that is a public give away and we should not stand for it! The stadium is too big for this site. Traffic is already a nightmare. This is total baloney. Again, stadiums NEVER make money for the host city. They merely line the greedy owners' pockets with gold while cities struggle to keep up with maintenance agreements, providing safety services, parking services, and other 'hidden' infrastructure costs.

:Loma A. wrote on Jul 1, 2007 10:57 AM:In case no one noticed, this is parkland and dedicated open space. We knew this when we bought our homes and we will fight like mad to keep this buffer to the freeway from being developed. Traffic and noise would kill our quiet neighborhoods and we would lose our quality of life. C'mon neighbors. You wouldn't want to lose your open space in your neighborhood would you?

Sam wrote on Jul 1, 2007 11:38 AM:Rick K... Who do you think will be filling up those hotel rooms at the beach? Fans coming to see the games, that's who. They'll fly in on Thursdays, spend the weekend in Oceanside in the hotels, and doing their dining and shopping in Oceanside filling up the local shops cash drawers. .... Oh yes, spending all their $$$ in Oceanside. If someone wants to go to the beach they go to Newport Beach, Laguna Beach, OB, PB, or Del Mar... When someone wants to go to the beach, no one says, "Hey lets go to Oceanside beach." All oceanside has now on the hill is an underused and money drainging golf course.. A stadium with fancy offices and shops (paid for of course by the Chargers and their developers) will only benefit Oceanside. Give them the land, let them develope it, but the City keeps the Deed. The best way to go!

=Sam ? wrote on Jul 1, 2007 12:23 PM:Rick K response to sam. This is not L.A. and it is not Orange County. I guess that is where you probably came from and want the same crowds and traffic that they have. Why don't you move back to the big city if thats the type environment that you like.

Andrew wrote on Jul 1, 2007 1:45 PM:Let's face it. Oceanside will become as crowded as Orange County, Solana Beach, Encinatas and all the other beachfront communities in Southern California sooner rather then later, there's no where else for people to move. We may as well have the Chargers bring in the economic development to help pay for it, AND boost civic pride by bringing in the Chargers!

Dirk wrote on Jul 1, 2007 1:54 PM:Are people still talking about this? Its a con and yesterdays news.

;Civic Pride? wrote on Jul 1, 2007 3:25 PM:Exactly how will a private football stadium boost civic pride?

=Rick says read on wrote on Jul 1, 2007 3:29 PM:I read another local paper today of how the price of a new Charger Stadium has doubled from 400-800 miilion in less than five years. So after the lease with the Goat Hill golf course agency is done in 2012 and The Charger' lease at Qualcom is up. The price of that Charger Stadium in Oceanside should be close to 2 Billion before they even turn up a shovel of dirt. Get real Oceansiders their is a new football stadium being built in Anaheim and Los Angeles is looking for an NFL team. Anaheim has the population and the freeways to support the Chargers. If Spanos and the boys can't cut a deal with San Diego then let the Chargers move to Anaheim and become the California Chargers. Oceanside is not savvy enough to even deal with the big boys like the NFL, Spanos, San Diego or Anaheim. Remember the Manchester Deal how we lost 2 million and that project was tiny compared to a stadium,all the infrastructure and land give aways. Everyone was up in arms when giving El Corazon, a much less valuable property, was offered as a give away to Manchester and that wasn't even designated parkland.

Chuck wrote on Jul 1, 2007 4:53 PM:Has anybody asked the mayor of Bloomington, Mn if they miss the Twins and the Vikings? Has anybody asked the Mayor of Anahiem if they miss the Rams? Who says the owners of the Chargers are not the same kind of people that own the Raiders and the Rams? If this land were put on the auction block FREE, the city would be flooded with developers and other companys that would really provide JOBS and MONEY to the City. This is a real BOONDOGGLE!

Joey- wrote on Jul 1, 2007 5:50 PM:CHARGERS take a hike and do not come here to Oceanside. You will kill our beautiful town! I know a con when I see one- and I can see this "deal" as a con job.

Legal Lab Nerd wrote on Jul 1, 2007 7:29 PM:This is nothing more than a field of schemes through and through. Spanos and Fabiani are mere snake oil salesman, almost grifters, taking your money, laughing all the way to their bank while the city pays through the nose and ultimately loses vital services to the entire community as they are supporting Mr. Spanos's already well-lined wallet. How stupid do you have to be to support this idea? If you need to tickle your hormones so much and have to have a team to cheer on, go to a sports bar. You won't add to the heinous traffic problem all along I-5 on game day. The Chargers are ancient history in San Diego if they can't work out a deal with Qualcomm and the city/county. Bye, bye.

Kenbolt wrote on Jul 1, 2007 10:44 PM:Los Angeles deserves a new NFL team and that team should be the team they started with back in 1960.The LA Chargers were born along with the AFL and won the western division that first year.The San Diego Chargers won a AFL Championship a few years later in 63 but they have not done much of anything since. Last years best NFL team at 14-2 were a complete dissapointment again as the SD fans were led down the same path of heartbreak they endure year after year. Its time to bring the Chargers home to thier birthplace and send any left over LA Raider fans to that ... hotel on Oceansides pier.

Mark wrote on Jul 2, 2007 5:15 AM:Yes bring the Chargers to Oceanside! I can't wait to see this new stadium - especially when the Chargers decide to leave again and the stadium is sitting there vacant! Maybe after the next earthquake we can all live inside it.

I hope not wrote on Jul 2, 2007 6:56 AM:I hope the Chargers don't move to Oceanside! I hate Oceanside and think it would be a waste of a great team! Oceanside doesn't deserve such a good team, they have complained since day 1!

Re: Joey wrote on Jul 2, 2007 7:16 AM:oceanside is not beautiful, the Chargers won't kill your crime ridden military town, I hope they don't move there, I will never go to a game! Oceanside SUCKS!

Hope not wrote on Jul 2, 2007 7:58 AM:Don't forget all the 3-13 years for 4 years in a row. Chargers are not a great team they were good for two years with Marty. But now they have the loser Mr. Norv Turner so we should see those bad years again. Doesn't matter good years or bad we can watch them on our big screen TV when they play in Anaheim and will be the California or Los Angeles Chargers. Don't care they are still the Chargers.

Ron wrote on Jul 2, 2007 8:54 AM:Let have the Chargers come in in one condition, we can put oceanside as part of the Charger name (San diego/Oceanside Chargers or Oceanside of San Diego Chargers) this way people will start to notice Oceanside as a major city.

Canuck wrote on Jul 2, 2007 10:44 AM:"if you have any poo, fling it now" -- from Madagascar movie. Hhm, very strong feelings on the stadium concept, considering how early a stage the idea is in. I don't understand why the football team is guilty until proven innocent. For a stadium, the parking, traffic and many other issues obviously must be resolved. The city has urban planners and consultants to identify our needs and concerns, and lawyers to assure them. Both partners have to benefit, or this obviously won't be a go. I think one key is establishing what OTHER uses the stadium will have, the other 350 days of the year. Instead of screaming and flinging p--, can everyone wait and see what the whole proposal is, and then vote on it? In terms of a practical discussion, can someone FACTUALLY quote the actual property tax or other revenue Oceanside gets annually from the public golf course?

Rick K wrote on Jul 2, 2007 11:51 AM: Ron, why do you want to be a major city? What is the big deal with name recogntion. New Orleans, Phoenix, St. Louis, Oakland, Indianapolis , Chicago are all major cities with football franchises and all are crime ridden is that what you want? If so why don't you move to a major city and leave Oceanside alone. We don't need more crime and poverty. Oceanside just needs to fix its neighborhoods that have been allowed to go to hell. Start with Eastside, Center Division and many parts of the valley. Leave our relatively nice neighborhoods alone.

Ivan wrote on Jul 2, 2007 12:23 PM:CHARGERS COME TO oCEANSIDE, FORGET ALL THE PEOPLE THAT THEY DONT WANT U GUYS TO COME, THERE NOT EVEN FANS.

Fans? wrote on Jul 2, 2007 12:36 PM:What does being a fan have to do with anything?! This is about quality of life & community that will be destroyed with this ridiculous idea. Even a fan should know that.

Downtown blues wrote on Jul 2, 2007 3:50 PM:Just think, once the stadium sucks all the extra money from the city budget we won't have to subsidize the downtown group, the chamber or the surf museum. Cool.

Joey wrote on Jul 2, 2007 3:52 PM:The person in Re-Joey 7:16 AM- You say Oceanside is bad town, but you neglect to say where you live.

Hey Canuck? wrote on Jul 2, 2007 3:53 PM:You sounds like you used to work for Gore/Clinton. But the double-talk about both parties benefitting is a joke. How are you going to benefit me? I live right across the street from the nice, pretty and quiet golf course. So not only will 8 game days bring all the noise and traffic into my front yard, but other events planned will ruin the rest of my year too? I couldn't even enjoy my yard or sit inside my house for some peace and quiet. Please don't do this to me.

Lets end this wrote on Jul 2, 2007 5:40 PM:Thanks to Esther Sanchez and her bonehead coucil members residents who live next to the Goat Hill Golf Course have to sweat our future. Will it be a future where we live out our lives in the homes we bought in our youth or will we have to sell to avoid the noise and the traffic. When your 70+ years which many are in this Goat Hill Golf Course Area and you are told your Golden Years are going to be upended because one or several in the city council want to ruin your last years you get a little pissed and nervous. We here in the neighborhood near Goat Hills Golf Course are here to tell you we wiill be fighting this pie-in-the -sky rip off and council members and city staff who back this are opening themselves up for personal as well as city-oriented lawsuits.

Gary S. from San Diego wrote on Jul 2, 2007 6:11 PM:This article was pointless. "More than 20 years of academic research has failed to find a significant relationship ...", is not only inaccurate and misleading, it is irresponsible journalism. The author goes on to name-drop Smith College and Vanderbilt University for credibility of his point, but they weren't quoted for it in the paragragh. He quotes them for "independent work on the economic impact of stadiums...", and that whole line can be shot down by every one of the economic reviews of each of the areas that have recently built new sporting venues. Need examples? Coors Field in Denver, Colorado. Chase Field (formerly Bank One Ballpark) in Phoenix, Arizona. University of Phoenix Stadium in Glendale, Arizona. Petco Park in San Diego. Just to name a few, but please go visit some of the other new facilities and look at how they have helped increase the local infrastructure and put money back into the communities. Look at where the Cardinals just opened their new stadium last year. There used to be NOTHING in that area. Now there is a lot of businesses around it and there is still a lot of agriculture in the surrounding area. And Rick K. Please. Don't associate larger cities having a football team with crime rates with so ignorantly. You are comparing Oceanside to major metropolitan areas. (One of those you mentioned compared rather favorably with Oceanside too. Like Phoenix.) There are NFL cities that have lower crime rates than your beloved Oceanside too. According to FBI public files on crime rates - Green Bay, Seattle, and Foxborough - all have lower crime rates than Oceanside and there are at least 6 other NFL cities that are very comparable to what your city currently has.

The General wrote on Jul 3, 2007 5:39 AM:As long as the unions get to do all the work i'm for it. Go Chargers...Go Unions...

To Gary S wrote on Jul 3, 2007 6:18 AM:You actually helped make one of the most serious points that need to be considered in this issue when you mention the Cardinals new stadium. "There used to be NOTHING in that area" ... and if there was NOTHING in the Goat Hill area it wouldn't be meeting such oposition. The problem is that there's a lot of SOMETHING in that area in the form of 3 long established neighborhoods and existing businesses. Petco has certainly brought life to where it is as well. But where it is used to be nothing but a derelict warehouse district. It only had one way to go. They need to find a better location, that doesn't destroy neighborhoods, or go somewhere else.

My beloved City wrote on Jul 3, 2007 6:28 AM:Yes Gary S it is my beloved city. And the investors can come and try to ruin our city but they will have a fight on their hands. It is all about the big give away. The only reason the Chargers are even talking to Oceanside is that we have offered them the 75+ acres for free under the guise that Alex and the boys will develop our land for free while they make the profits. Oceanside will be spending more money on police services and probably will be taking new infrastructure money out of our Water Agency funding. Gary S your figures are a little off Oceanside is only a population of 180,000 while Phoenix and Seattle are probably 700,000+. Green Bay there is nothing else to do in that God-forsaken artic land than to see the Packers, bowl and drink beer at the bars.

Joey-To Gary S- wrote on Jul 3, 2007 11:06 AM:Gary S, You sound like a rabid FAN and nothing matters but seeing a game. If you were fortunate enough to own property near Goat Hill as I do since 1974, in a nice established community, I guarantee that you would be singing a diferent tune. What I hear from you is the song of the FAN, eager to watch a game and I doubt you have any financial stake in Oceanside, you just want to see a game, how sad.

Super Researcher wrote on Jul 3, 2007 11:09 AM:Gary S. is way off base. Stadiums drain vital services and dollars from other areas i the city in order to support the needs of the stadium including cops, fire, water, trash, etc. Economic research consistently shows no benefit to having stadiums after the first one or two seasons. And no where has a stadium been built adjacent to healthy neigbhorhoods. The Goat Hill people have a right to be outraged and the rest of the city should be upset as well. Spanos has no right to come into our city, destroy our well-established and peaceful neighborhoods AND create traffic nightmares like we have never seen before. Just imagine what it's like after the 4th of July fireworks- it takes 2 hours to get East of I-5 after they are over. Is this really what the majority of people East of I-5 want and can live with for up to 360 days per year? Heck you couldn't even get to the beach or downtown! Besides how can you think of destroying our life's investment in our homes? I really hope the city wakes up to the damage a stadium will cause for the entire city.

Eminent Domain-Cheap wrote on Jul 3, 2007 11:29 AM:What makes me take notice is the lack of new construction projects near Goat Hill. Example, Dixie St-- a project for new row homes was not approved. And by the Elks Club, another project for new homes was not approved. And again another Project for homes and a shopping ceter On Oceanside Blv and Canyon was not approved. So, basically the neighborhood is systematically being depressed, while new hotels and big projects are all easily approved for down town. In the event of eminent domain the old neihborhood near Goat Hill could be considered ripe for demolition as most of the homes are old, and can be bought cheap! I have been here or 30 years and see nothing new. Each time I drive down Dixie and see all the empty lots and abandoned houses while the down town building projects get the O.K - the question is who will benefit ?

RobertM wrote on Jul 3, 2007 11:33 AM:The Chargers will do for Oceanside what the monorail did for West Haverbrook.

Chubton wrote on Jul 3, 2007 11:38 AM:If you sell enough bonds (raise taxes) and guarantee enough ticket sales, you can revitalize any area.

Bill2 wrote on Jul 3, 2007 12:34 PM:Send the Chargers to Vegas. Its all about gambling money anyway. Why should the people subsidise a Non-profit corporation anyway? The owners make millions and the tax-payers pay for it.

Gardiner Y. wrote on Jul 3, 2007 1:06 PM:I am curious how many of you are actually native californians or even Oceanside natives....I was born and raised in La Jolla...and I can't believe the attitudes of some of these residents....we lost the Gulls...then the Clippers...and now all you "locals" want the only other real franchise we have go to LA!or Vegas?......better idea..if you are so against development...why did you ever buy property near a beach in SO CAL?...are you stupid...did you really think progress would pass by your little community without stopping?..get real people...your living in 2007!..not 1964

Gardiner wrote on Jul 3, 2007 1:08 PM:I am curious how many of you are actually native californians or even Oceanside natives....I was born and raised in La Jolla...and I can't believe the attitudes of some of these residents....we lost the Gulls...then the Clippers...and now all you "locals" want the only other real franchise we have go to LA!or Vegas?......better idea..if you are so against development...why did you ever buy property near a beach in SO CAL?...are you stupid...did you really think progress would pass by your little community without stopping?..get real people...your living in 2007!..not 1964

South Nevada wrote on Jul 3, 2007 3:18 PM:Ever seen the traffic stopped on Interstates 8 and 15 on a game day? Now drop that traffic onto I-5 in Oceanside on any Sunday afternoon. Ever ride the trolley to Qualcom? Dozens of packed trains. The Sprinter would be convenient to the Oceanside stadium, but will never have enough cars to matter on game day.

Open Your Eyes wrote on Jul 3, 2007 3:24 PM:Gardiner does'nt own property, yet feels compelled to speak about it, and how horrible it was to lose the Gulls and the Clippers. OPEN YOUR EYE'S, Development and Progress isnt limited to Stadiums and Sports. Yea, lets pay Millions upon Millions of dollars, and Idolize guys WHO PLAY A GAME! In the end, they still dont cure cancer. I like Oceanside the way it is. I have invested in this city buying property and setting up 2 businesses, and dont see a reason to Chew up existing neighborhoods and businesses so the Chargers can get property as close to the Ocean as possible. There are plenty of other and better sites for a stadium in Oceanside, but the Chargers dont even want to look at them. If you dont live or own property in Oceanside, then you dont have a stake in this, so keep it to yourself!

Rick K. wrote on Jul 3, 2007 4:23 PM:You just mentioned two prime reasons why you can't trust a sports team the San Diego Gulls and the San Diego Clippers both played in the San Diego Sports Arena which is now a relic from the past that needs to be torn down but costs the city of San Diego to maintain. The San Diego Clippers moved to Los Angeles and the Gulls just disappeared. So now except for swap meets,and occassional concerts the Sports Arena is pretty much dead and ready to be torn down. The Chargers are after free land. The best place for the Chargers is the Qualcom Stadium site or the new Anaheim football Stadium being built. But Spanos and his boys don't want to pay San Diego the 500 million for the Qualcom site. That is why they have come to Oceanside for free stuff. If the city proceeds with this and the citizens vote for it Oceanside citizens can expect our property taxes to go up. What if the Chargers decide to move in a year or two after the stadium is built like the Raiders did to Los Angeles. What we can have Oceanside High play at a Billion dollar stadium? The more I think of the insanity of this idea the more I have to laugh. This is the Labor Councils(mostly democrats) pushing to have this farce in our town. Guess who is going to work at the stadium. You bet union, low-skilled workers of the Service Employees Union. The same union that wants more illegal aliens so they can become part of thier union.

Mike S wrote on Jul 3, 2007 9:08 PM:Write your City Counsel and tell them NO stadium. I own property and I think the whole issue is a huge waste of time and money. We the People of Oceanside should determine the town we want--we live here. They've already got a stadium. If the Chargers were such good tenants I guess their current house would be in excellent shape for they would of invested in maintenance and improvements. They didn't and we shouldn't fool ourselves into believing they care about Oceanside. They care about as much as Gardiner.

Nick wrote on Jul 3, 2007 9:35 PM:Oceanside does NOT NEED the Chargers. They suck anyways. Shoot, we haven't had a good team since 1981. Remember Dan Fouts, Kellen Winslow, Rolf Benirschke, John Cappelletti, Wes Chandler, Charlie Joiner, Chuck Muncie, Dwight Scales, and Jim Laslavic, just to name a few. Let the Chargers leave, who cares?

Owners Unite wrote on Jul 4, 2007 7:16 AM:Property Owners of Oceanside ... We must unite and put forth one solid voice of a resounding NO on this issue. NO to the destruction of neighborhoods. NO to more traffic. NO to higher property taxes. NO to lower property values. NO to ruining our quality of life. NO to giving away our valuable parkland. NO to overburdening our public services to accommodate event days. NO to the eminent domain that will be needed to give the Spanos clan the additional 40 some acres they've recently discussed. And so on ... NO NO NO ... a thousand times NO!!!!

Rocky JS wrote on Jul 4, 2007 7:32 AM:Quote from the article, "researchers from Smith College and Vanderbilt University found that `independent work on the economic impact of stadiums and arenas has uniformly found that there is no correlation between sports facility construction and economic development.'" pretty much says it all. Stadia never class up a place. And, "build it and they will come" is neither wisdom nor economics, it's from a movie.

No Subsidy wrote on Jul 4, 2007 9:55 AM:The Chargers want a new stadium, they can pay for the whole thing including the land.

Too expensive wrote on Jul 4, 2007 9:56 AM:The Chargers play what, 8 home games a year? We are supposed to get all worked up for a subsidy for the rich so they can buy expensive football tickets? Screw the Chargers.

Please look up wrote on Jul 4, 2007 11:37 AM:For all you on the fence with the Charger Stadium coming to Oceanside, I ask you to do some research on the internet. Please look up how the Raiders cost the city of LA 4 million and the city of Irwindale 10 million. The Raiders owner and his slew of attorneys got guarantees in contracts that cost both cities. Don't forget the Charger's guarantee that the city of San Diego pays. Remember the one if the stadium isn't sold out the city would buy all the remaining tickets for that game to sell it out. That cost the city of San Diego bundles especially during the Leaf years of 3-13. We all are goo goo gaa gaa when the Chargers have a good year. But on a whole the Chargers have been more of a bad team than good. Remember if Spanos and his lawyers screw us like the Raiders did to two cities. It comes out of the cities services which we so desperately need. We want to hear from citizens of Oceanside on this blog critical to our future. People from other cities, developers, and those looking to reap profits from our oceanview parkland this is not your city.

Go Chargers wrote on Jul 4, 2007 4:35 PM:Now the stadium is going to cost almost a billion dollars to build. Four years ago it was only going to cost 450 millions to build. The Chargers should have paid the city of San Diego 200 millions for the land at Qualcom Stadium. Then it would have only cost approximately 650 millions to build. The Chargers would have saved 250 millions and have a stadium almost built by now.

Sicily- wrote on Jul 4, 2007 6:07 PM:They want for free all of Goat Hill land plus 40 more acres. They want free land from the city with an ocean view! They refuse other vacant land locations farther inland away from the ocean! Sounds like a deal I heard of over in Sicily when the mafia was into land speculation and construction. But that is only my opinion.

It makes sense... wrote on Jul 4, 2007 9:25 PM:Having the Chargers move to Oceanside MAKES PERFECT SENSE. What DOESN'T MAKE SENSE is keeping a shabby, run-down golf course like Goat Hill. All the NIMBY's need to pull their heads out of their collective arses and realize that the new stadium will pour tax money INTO Oceanside. Just think if that money could be put into rennovating their sleepy little airport. Or improving the roads. If put to a vote IT WILL WIN.

MVC to "It makes sense" wrote on Jul 4, 2007 10:56 PM:There really is no way to justify a stadium economically. Your best argument would be to push for the emotional and publicity benefits of a NFL team in Oceanside. The point of the article is that it would be in the city's best economic interests to sell the property at fair market value to a developer. You get the best bang for the buck if you use the land for a more conventional retail/commercial/residential development than you would for a stadium that is only used 10-15 times a year. Not even taking into account the initial land giveaway that a stadium would require, the tax revenue from a stadium and ancillary office development would pale in comparison to a standard development - unless, of course, the stadium office park were to be unreasonably vertical (20 stories high?) to make up for the acreage lost to the stadium. And, furthermore, based on the Chargers' latest demands for TWO separate tracts of land, there is no realistic possibility that they would win a public vote.

Tim in Vista wrote on Jul 5, 2007 3:50 AM:Sam your comments are exactly on par with my feelings. What the stadium did for downtown is exactly what oceanside needs. If they built the stadium in oceanside, I would not only relocate my business there, but I would buy a house there as well. Go Sam and Go Chargers!

Nimby's Fight back wrote on Jul 5, 2007 5:50 AM:It makes sense you talk like someone who doesn't even live in Oceanside . When you say it could put money into their sleepy little airport it proves the fact. First of all who says we want to repair the airport that is the grand plan of the developers with the aid of outside moneys to turn Oceanside into a major city. Second the only reason the Goat Hill Golf Course is unsightly is becuase the city of Oceanside commits very little money to it. The Golf Course would be a jewel if the city would install a modern irrigation system and get someone who knows how to properly maintain a golf course. All your money and your buddies money only make us NIMBYS as you call us want to fight you more. So keep up the attacks if you really want to stir the hornets nest. We Nimbys as you so derogatorily call us will allow development within the Goat Hill golf course area but the Golf Course is Parkland and needs to be fixed and maintained to keep our every shriveling open space that you and your developer buddies keep trying to take from us in the guise it is good For Oceanside. Take a Flying leap at our dinky airport which not everyone wants lets make it bigger so we can have the 3 aviation crashes like Palomar Airport.

Tim in Vista wrote on Jul 5, 2007 8:31 AM:Tim you have enough problems in Vistajuana. Why don't you work on cleaning up your own neigborhood before you start trying to fix Oceanside.

Boltman666 wrote on Jul 5, 2007 10:10 AM:The Reason Foundation is based in Los Angeles? Isn't Los Angeles without a team? Would LA benefit from having a team move there? Are there not any qualified authorities based in SD County who might weigh in on this subject?

The Truth Sets U Free wrote on Jul 5, 2007 10:16 AM:The Chargers tossed out the ticket guarantee years ago ago PAY RENT TO SD NOW! Please stop with the misinformation and EDUCATE yourself! Moreover, the Chargers never took money from SD. The so-called ticket guarantee which is in effect no more-----only involved a rent credit which reduced the rent the Chargers paid for Qualcomm. The Bolts never received cash.

The Lack of Reason Foundation wrote on Jul 5, 2007 10:49 AM:Ask yourself why these 2 individuals CARE SOOOOO MUCH about a San Diego County regional issue????!!!

To Lack of Reason wrote on Jul 5, 2007 11:24 AM:This isn't a San Diego regional issue. It's a let's not ruin Oceanside with a stupid stadium issue.

Laughing at Truth wrote on Jul 5, 2007 11:32 AM:A rent credit is no different than any other subsidy - it was money that should have been in the hands of the city but didn't get paid. Where do YOU think the shortfall comes from?

The Lack of Reason Foundation wrote on Jul 5, 2007 11:53 AM:Again, no one asks why theses individuals from The Los Angeles based Reason Foundation care about O-side so much? Wonder what their "reason" is?

Didn't read what you read wrote on Jul 5, 2007 12:13 PM:For those of you who interpreted the Reason report as a hit against Oceanside to have the Chargers come to L.A. I did not read that or interpret that. I read that football stadiums are not what they pretend to be, the savior of a city. For those developers and others interested in raping Oceanside for their benefits and that certainly includes Mr. Spanos the King of the low-income apartment builders. All your money and fancy flyers from all the associated special interests is not going to deter us NIMBYS. As I said before you have got a fight on your hands and brothers we know how Al Davis ripped off Irwindale and LA and we don't think that Spanos and his boys are any less unscruptulous. Why do you think Spanos wants the Qualcom land for free and why he has got Oceanside goofballs conned into thinking he will take good care of us.

Boltman666 wrote on Jul 5, 2007 12:16 PM:DCWATCH did a fantastic job on their website back in 2003 detailing merely the superficial benefits of a MLB team to their city and even these were staggering. Bring the Chargers to O-side!

The Truth Sets U Free wrote on Jul 5, 2007 12:42 PM:Reaon is based in Los Angeles. Sounds suspicious!

To didnt read: wrote on Jul 5, 2007 12:44 PM:It is hilarious to think O-side is not already "ruined" according to your perspective. See how little traffic flows down 76 during rush hour. Why ruin our "quaint" town right? Bring the bolts!

The Lack of Reason Foundation wrote on Jul 5, 2007 12:50 PM:If other cities can handle a stadium, we can too. So long as it is privately funded, bring the bolts on! I agree that location of the Reason Foundation makes their arguments suspicious.

The Lack of Reason Foundation wrote on Jul 5, 2007 1:08 PM:Nick Canepa, columnist for the UT, did a wonderful job describingg just how sub-standard and decrepit Qualcomm is---particularly the locker rooms. If the Raiders were impressed, it is only beacuse the Oakland site is all the more horrendous----truly the eye-sore of the NFL.

It Makes Sense... wrote on Jul 5, 2007 1:20 PM:Nimby's Fight back, you can't be that ignorant. To bring up Palomar's 3 crashes tells me you are. Tell me, is it the airport's fault the planes crashed? No? Only a heartless person like yourself would make light of the people who DIED in those crashes with a flip comment like that. Hope you can live with yourself, and live with the fact if put to a public vote, THE CHARGERS WILL HAVE THEIR STADIUM in Oceanside. But will that shut NIMBY's like you up? Nope. Folks like you could never accept defeat and move on.

To Lack of Reason wrote on Jul 5, 2007 1:45 PM:Major flaw in your statement is that you don't seem to realize that just because you CAN do something it doesn't mean you SHOULD!

Total Lack of Reason wrote on Jul 5, 2007 1:57 PM:Privately funded does NOT include a giveaway of public land! Get your facts straight. Where else in the world can you get 70-90 acres of land for free that has an oean view, displace thousands of seniors and kids, take ball parks and pools away? Let me know.

Baseball Teams wrote on Jul 5, 2007 1:58 PM:Play a large number of games every year in their ballparks and tickets are reasonable. Although I disagreed with Petco, it makes much more sense than a new football monument that gets used 8 times a year.

The Truth Sets U Free wrote on Jul 5, 2007 2:22 PM:Make that a multi-purpose stadium such as been proposed and everyone will be happy.

Mr NIMBY wrote on Jul 5, 2007 2:23 PM:I am now persuaded that if privatelt funded, the site makes sense when ayou throw in the Super Bowl dollars! Wow. Thanks to [Web site]

Not another Aguirre/Henderson wrote on Jul 5, 2007 2:26 PM:Go Bolts! I can hardly wait to have the stadium here and see it transform the hill area. Don't make them your scape "goat."

Boltman666 wrote on Jul 5, 2007 2:28 PM:If we can tolerate the "small" marine base, I am sure we can co-exist with a stadium.

Boltman666 wrote on Jul 5, 2007 3:25 PM:If we can tolerate the "small" marine base, I am sure we can co-exist with a stadium.

To The Truth wrote on Jul 5, 2007 3:44 PM:Multi-purpose is worse than just football. Not only would we have to contend with games & practices we'll have concerts & conventions & everything else they can think to trample our neighborhoods with. No thanks! Bring the Chargers for sure, but don't destroy entire existing neighborhoods to do it. Find a better, less residential, area in the city or go somewhere else.

To Boltman666 wrote on Jul 5, 2007 3:45 PM:That "small" marine base is on the north edge of town ... not in the middle of three neighborhoods. Apples & Oranges!

Not another Aguire wrote on Jul 5, 2007 4:00 PM:Were do you live? Let me know where you live so I can push to totally change your neighborhood. Would you like some low-income apartments? How about a busy shopping center so cars can constantly pass your street? It is easy to say change something when you don't live nearby. I would like to invite you to my neighborhood and meet the hundreds of 70+ seniors who live in the homes then you can personally tell them how nice it will be to ruin their neighborhood they have lived in all thier lives . Mr. 666 Boltman get your head out of a football. You football fanatics tire me.

Mr NIMBY wrote on Jul 5, 2007 4:00 PM:Bring the bolts!

Let them spend their money wrote on Jul 5, 2007 4:20 PM:and remodel the locker rooms et al at Qualcomm. Problem solved.

To Mr NIMBY wrote on Jul 5, 2007 4:20 PM:You're not fooling anyone!

*Candy wrote on Jul 5, 2007 4:23 PM:Oh my gawd! I just saw this article. I can't believe they'd try to rip-off the city by putting a stadium here. Traffic sucks and the noise would be awful.

True Costs wrote on Jul 5, 2007 4:24 PM:Petco cost the city of San Diego 5million dollars a year. The Chargers cost the city another 19 million dollars a year. What are you willing to give up to subsidize the stadium in Oceanside? Cops, firefighters, libraries, the parks, airport, harbor? What?

]20 million wrote on Jul 5, 2007 5:09 PM:20 million for the Chargers are probably just the annual costs. Now throw in the 500 miilion plus give away of land and who knows what for infrastructure costs. Face it Oceanside and I will say even Chula Vista are too small of players for what the Chargers want. They want everything free with the right to make money off their free land they are given. This Charger team should be dealing with the high-rollers in Vegas not the penny-anties of Chula Vista and Oceanside. Then again maybe Anaheim who has the Angels, Disneyland, Knotts Berry Farm would be a good choice. I think Anaheim is a little more experienced in negotiating than Oceanside. Don't you think? Oceanside can't even find a City Manager, Director of Planning and Director of Transportation and these fill-in managers and directors are going to be savvy enough for dealing with sharks like Spanos and his attorneys. Get Real. Watch the silly Chargers on the Big Screen. You don't have to worry about parking and overpriced concessions. You have a better seat in the house with your big screen than any seat in a stadium. Plus for Bolthead 666 you can get drunk as you want and not have to drive home.

Level Head wrote on Jul 5, 2007 5:16 PM:Why don't you people wait til you have some solid data before flying off in all directions with your speculations and unfounded opinions?

;To Level Head wrote on Jul 5, 2007 5:35 PM:I would dispute our opinions are unfounded. On top of that, I would rather jump the gun in a preventative manner than to sit around and allow my home, neighborhood & future in the community to be destroyed while I just sat around and waited.

=It makes sense wrote on Jul 5, 2007 7:42 PM:The only reason that the Palomar Airport accidents were brought up is to bring attention to you and your pilots association hacks. Your money for your little hobby planes and your big national association of OHHHHH big plane pilots were a deciding factor in a local election. We expect more lobbying from you and your pilot yahoos to throw your big money into getting the Chargers in Oceanside to expand that crappy little airport in the Valley. Surprising none of these hobbyist flyers have never killed themselves , innocent homeowners or vehicles enjoying that feeling of freedom that you pilots gush over. Gets you high huh. Don't you think 3 accidents in one small airport in Carlsbad is high Mr. Blue Skies.

;NCT Flawed wrote on Jul 5, 2007 8:04 PM:If you see the # of comments on this article from the perspective of the "most commented on" it says there are 40 posts ... to look at the direct article it states 90. Not to nit-pick or anything, but come on. Do you want to be credible or not? At least try to be accurate. [Editor's note: Thanks for the heads-up. NCTimes.com is aware of the miscalculations on the opinion page's automated comment counter regarding this story and a few others. We have alerted our site server and are working to solve the issue.]

=Lets plan the stadium for Melba Bishop park wrote on Jul 5, 2007 8:09 PM:A better idea is since so many of Melba's cohorts and fanatical followers are for this stupid stadium lets put the stadium in Melba's neighborhoods in the Valley. Or better yet since Melba is so well admired in Oceana lets puts the stadium in El Corazon there is a perfect hole for a stadium that will suck the life out of Oceanside as we know it. You bet it is me Melba. The one person in Oceanside you will never control. Maybe little Ralphie boy but not me. Sorry I am a little smarter than you think.

voter wrote on Jul 6, 2007 12:39 AM:after the fireworks we had we don't need the chargers in oceanside.

]I agree voter wrote on Jul 6, 2007 7:44 AM:Yes I just read about the mayhem at the Fireworks show and the lack of police protection. Gang bangers and multiple stabbings. What we had some 140,000 people to watch the fireworks. Lets build a stadium so we can get the crazy Raider fans to add to our gangbangers from the Valley and other rival cities. You people pushing for the stadium are either Rah Rah bolt fans, looking to line your pockets, or simply don't have a clue how this Stadium will make Oceanside's current problems seem miniscule. Forget the stadium. Don't give away our land. Use our money to hire more police and start cleaning up the bad neighborhoods where the gang creeps spawn.

-Lets Bury our Head In the Sand wrote on Jul 6, 2007 9:15 AM:As someone said previously(sanely) on this factually challenged blog, why ruin Oceanside with (sakes alive!) traffic. If anyone sees the 76,5 and 15 on any weeknight/weekend----there is already gridlock. Hence, the idea that a stadium will destroy the charming town (which doesn't exist) is a myth. This is no longer, nor will it ever be, a little hamlet again. Bring on the bolts!

-Mr NIMBY wrote on Jul 6, 2007 9:18 AM:THE FANS, TAXPAYERS, & BUSINESS ALLAINCE WEBSITE HAS A NON-PARTISAN VIEW WHICH DETAILS PROS & CONS OF A STADIUM. Ultimately the FTB allaince supports a stadium. It is a quite impressive alternative to the supposedly non-paRTISAN Reason organization.

The Truth Sets U Free wrote on Jul 6, 2007 9:19 AM:Very suspicious that Reason Foundation is based in LA!

Not another Aguirre/Henderson wrote on Jul 6, 2007 9:24 AM:I fully support bringing the Chargers to O-side if it can be privately funded as Spanos & Company say it will be. To those who bleat about it costing us money in Police & Fire services I say HOOEY! If we can reap a stadium for free with only a land donation and reap taxes from business parks, jobs, retail stores, & property taxes (condos), lets do it! Down with the status quo!

It's A Hoax! wrote on Jul 6, 2007 9:26 AM:There is no stadium going on that land. Spanos family is probably the ones with the back-up offer to build the Office Complex on the property, they are big developers out of Stockton. They know the Voters will say NO so they will relieve their anguish with an Office Complex. On FREE land?

To Mr Nimby wrote on Jul 6, 2007 9:36 AM:Thank you for posting the info on the FTB alliance. Great information presented in a cool-headed fashion by non self-interested individuals.

Let It Go wrote on Jul 6, 2007 10:13 AM:Just because Oceanside may not be the sleepy little town anymore ... there's no reason it has to be made into a raging metropolis either. Let them build it in a more appropriately industrial area or let them move on!

Mr NIMBY wrote on Jul 6, 2007 10:15 AM:You are quite welcome. There is no free lunch. You can't reap the rewards with no negatives. I believe that the FTB lays out, in a quite rational fashion, how much revenue would come to O-side. The Super Bowl aLONE WILL BRING AT LEAST 500 million dollars in impact to the area!

-The Convinced Voter wrote on Jul 6, 2007 10:24 AM:I have lived in town for 35 years and seen the dramatic change in the area. I believe that a stadium would catapult our status, placing us on the map. We need this stadium to give us added visibility. As an investor in a local hotel, my business would greatly benefit! You have my VOTE!

Bring people to your hotel wrote on Jul 6, 2007 10:43 AM:If some of the business people in Oceanside would have built their businesses to attract middle- income and higher-income customers we would already have a booming tourist trade. But most Oceanside businesses catered to the recruit marines and low-income immigrants. Hence that is why Oceanside has been a low-income pit for so long. Ask your planners and council people why they allowed all the pawn shops, barber shops, discount furniture, check cashing places and low-income strip malls. So now here comes Mr. hotel owner who probably had a junky-looking, ... hotel that will get more customers to his rat trap because we build a stadium. Don't think so Mr. Hotel owner we are not selling out our city for you.

The Truth Sets U Free wrote on Jul 6, 2007 11:01 AM:Build it and they will come. Don't let the negativity persuade you otherwise. Go Bolts!

Go Bolts! wrote on Jul 6, 2007 11:11 AM:I agree. The slow-growth, anti-growth crowd is probably destitute. Of course they don't want to be displaced. Who cares! Lets bring Oceanside up and make our town nicer than just a stop along the 5 with a base!

;To Mr NIMBY @10:15AM wrote on Jul 6, 2007 11:25 AM:Now if you can just show that the revenue is guaranteed and that we can host the super bowl every year you might be onto something. We can worry about how to sleep at night after we've destroyed three neighborhoods later.

Go Bolts! wrote on Jul 6, 2007 11:35 AM:I think the NFL has mentioned every 3 or 4 years. Still a fantastic take of 500 or 600 million dollars a pop. This doesn't even take into account all of the spending that will be done by wealthy North Countians in the area. You are not attracting a low demographic witrh Chargers games anymore. The ticket cost alone prevents Joe 6 pack from attending. So the argument that low rent people will come to Oceanside is false and laughable!

Free Market wrote on Jul 6, 2007 11:37 AM:I say build the darn thing. Let the socialists complain. Capitalism baby!

Now come on wrote on Jul 6, 2007 11:53 AM:Hey I was the origial Mr. Nimby now it is so convoluted we don't know if NIMBY was the good guy or the bad guys. Don't use my name in vain. I am for the neighborhoods and not the ruination of Oceanside. You naysayers who think Oceanside is so terrible. Oceanside has turned around substantially. We don't need a stadium to fix Oceanside. We need some proper planning to fix the problems that were created by the Old Guard(developer buddies) and Melbas minions. You fix Oceanside one neighborhood at a time. So you destroy Loma Alta and Firemountain neighborhoods by building the stadium and you still have not adressed the barrios of Center Division and Eastside. Go Bolt Man. If I gave you a beer for every time Bolt Man had something intelligent to say rather than Go Bolts. He would never get a 502

-Jugghead wrote on Jul 6, 2007 12:04 PM:I am a Marine. For the most part, we love the Chargers. Every preseason, the Chargers hold an Annual Military Night Game. They have all of our support. We hope they build it.

Jugghead wrote on Jul 6, 2007 12:08 PM:I am a Marine. For the most part, we love the Chargers. Every preseason, the Chargers hold an Annual Military Night Game. They have all of our support. We hope they build it.

:Hey moms out there wrote on Jul 6, 2007 12:28 PM:Do you really want the Chargers to take the ball fields, boys & girls club, and the Brooks street pool away from your neighborhood? Get busy and start opposing this project while it is still in its infancy. We must not give away our city land to a developer..that's all the Spanos family is through and through...developers. We ran Manchester out and we can run Spanos's out too. Wake up to the giveaway of your kids' recreation space on the Western end of town!

The Truth Sets U Free wrote on Jul 6, 2007 12:32 PM:With the money the Bolts have, believe me. They will relocate you somewhere else and in all probability, upgrade your facilities.

Semper Fi wrote on Jul 6, 2007 12:33 PM:Semper Fi Jugghead. Thanks for your service to our country. It is nice the Chargers and Padres honor the Marines. But it does not mean we have to have the Charger Stadium in Oceanside. Jugghead if you are a marine who owns a home, rents or registered to vote in Oceanside more power to you. Vote how you will that is why you fight to have the freedom to make a choice. Just understand Jugghead those of us who live in Oceanside and may be negatively effected by the stadium and its crowds, traffic and noise also have the right to vote and voice our opposition. Hundreds of the citizens in Loma Alta and Firemountain neighborhoods are your fellow Marines who fought in WW II, Korea, Vietnam and the Gulf Wars. They just want to live out their remaining lives in a peaceful neighborhood. Think of them when you vote and Semper Fi.

To Marines wrote on Jul 6, 2007 1:04 PM:This is a lovely thing for you- to have a military night at the game- but it is not a lovely thing for those of us with families who don't wish to participate in the noise, traffic and increased crime. If you really 'love the Chargers' support them in San Diego instead of inside our neighborhood. Are you aware that people live just across the street from the site they are considering? You should be. Part of being a Marine is love of community. You sure aren't showing it.

Lee wrote on Jul 6, 2007 1:14 PM:I think the Chargers will undoubtedly bring some cache to a city sorely lacking it. Oceanside is nothing more than a pass through community at present. You can't do anything great or grand without some opposition. Determination will win the day.

Free Market wrote on Jul 6, 2007 2:05 PM:If the Chargers can count on the resident Marine vote, that would bring THOUSANDS of automatic votes. That is the best place to lobby. Bring on the Bolts baby!!!!!

Sorry Marines wrote on Jul 6, 2007 2:16 PM:You have to live in Oceanside. The barracks at Camp Pendleton or Camp Del Mar don't count. The Marines have more to worry about than the Charger Stadium. Seems like most of the massacres in Iraq are being charged to the young marines from Camp Pendleton. What is being taught at Camp Pendleton if these massacres are in fact true. Those Marines accused are a disgrace to the Corps. They have severely stained the reputation of the U.S.M.C. Forget the OOO Rahs and the Rah Rahs and use your brain rather than your brainwashing.

Thanks Lee wrote on Jul 6, 2007 2:36 PM:You probably just insulted about 100% of the residents in our lovely town of Oceanside. Obviously you don't live here and are unaware of the changing demographics. Duh.

To Free Market wrote on Jul 6, 2007 2:40 PM:I am a retired Marine and live in the area where they want to put the stadium. I have my life's savings invested in my home here and enjoy the peace and quiet of the Greenbriar neighborhood. Why would other Marines want to damage my ability to have a nice neighborhood. I think you should consider what you have asked for. I will be asking all Marines to uphold their sense of honor and support me and many thousands of other retirees who live in this area and NOT vote for it. Semper fi.

The Lack of Reason Foundation wrote on Jul 6, 2007 2:41 PM:Lets come together and build the stadium. Oceanside can do this without negatively impacting the city. But, no taxpayer dollars is a must as Spanos promised.

Go Bolts! wrote on Jul 6, 2007 3:59 PM:Semper Fi! Vote stadium Marines.

To Mr Nimby wrote on Jul 6, 2007 4:04 PM:Lets boost troop numbers at the base so we can get our beloved Chargers here.

Boltman666 wrote on Jul 6, 2007 4:08 PM:As a fan, I agree. Build it (on private land if necessary). Get the Marines on your side, business groups, and smash the low-rent opposition.

To didnt read: wrote on Jul 6, 2007 4:14 PM:The overall public good will be served by a stadium. Surely, a few will be temporarily inconvenienced. But O-side will become a major NFL town and more than a mere footnote in the County Visitor's guide.

Lee I know wrote on Jul 6, 2007 4:22 PM:Lee I know the exact demograpics of Oceanside. Marines, Marines, Ex-marines, and a bunch of gang bangers, bunches of old farts the mobile homes (probably ex-marines) and then a nice percentage of immigrants more illegal than legal. Those are probably the low-income, low- mentality types that are going to vote for the stadium. OOOO RAH. That is why Oceanside is so messed up because we have been building for all the low-income types. Now lets throw a stadium in there that should just about finish off any chances of Oceanside ever becoming nice. Let's all just get a buzz haircut ...

Give It A Rest wrote on Jul 6, 2007 9:04 PM:What peace of mind do folks have any more. Someone with more power and money eyeballs their neighborhood and suddenly your out and their in and it is for the good of everyone.They are right when they say "Death and Taxes"are unavoidable and now lets add "Eminent Domain."Don't be so sure that you won't be next. Don't we have enough in the world to loose sleep over. Have the courage to JUST SAY NO !!!!!!to Chargers, Go Bully your way somewhere else.

Sam wrote on Jul 7, 2007 6:35 AM:Are you ready for some football! And improvements, and a better tax base and income for Oceansides businesses! Go CHARGERS!

Temporarily Inconvenienced?! wrote on Jul 7, 2007 10:10 AM:Is being run out of your home and neighborhood a temporary inconvenience? I DON'T THINK SO!!!!! Put it in a more appropriate commercial area or go somewhere else!!!

Listen up Council wrote on Jul 7, 2007 12:02 PM:Some of these comments are so negative about the image of Oceanside. Basically these people don't live here and know that 99% of the town is real nice. But the 1% of trashy stuff they see downtown and the reports of gang shootings ruins the city for all of us. Clean up downtown and the gangs. We don't need a stadium. With those things gone, we will be perfect.

Inconvenienced? wrote on Jul 7, 2007 12:11 PM:Who is that writer kidding? Bringing an additional mass load of traffic to a stadium 350 days a year is not a 'minor inconvenience'. It's devastating to those of us who use Mission or Oceanside Boulevard- we and the vast majority of the city would be trapped in our homes and prevented from getting anywhere. People obviously don't live here and don't want to understand that this stadium is proposed right in the middle of nice family neighborhoods. This isn't some blighted downtown area like Petco park area or open agricultural land like Phoenix. Get real people. I challenge each of you to get on the Freeway on Friday night or Sunday night and try to go South or North. Can't be done. Gridlock is already here. Putting thousands and thousands of additional cars and trucks into our city will kill it, not help it. We natives and citizens don't appreciate your childish, unthoughtful comments at all.

Tony wrote on Jul 7, 2007 3:38 PM:Don't worry feeble minded and short sighted people of Oceanside... The under used and non-profit generating Goat Hill "eyesore" golf course will be yours to enjoy forever now that the Chula Vista Bay Front property site is available... The Chargers will build there and Oceanside will remain a little, backwards town and rest stop on the I-5,...

To Tony wrote on Jul 7, 2007 5:09 PM:Boy is that a relief!!!

Tony Give us a break wrote on Jul 7, 2007 6:09 PM:The only reason the Goat Hill Golf Course is an eyesore is because of mismanagement. The City of Oceanside does not know how to maintain anything but a negative image. Get the Jarheads out of our government and start thinking like a beach town with the best beaches in North County and a great Harbor and Pier to boot. Oceanside has had a Jarhead mentality for too long lets move on and change our image. Marines are welcome but you don't rule no more neither does Melba or the Old Guard. Times our changing and we are not selling out our beautiful city to the ... developers, especially Spanos ... Why ruin our town to make his family rich?

Lets continue this Discussion wrote on Jul 7, 2007 7:50 PM:North County Times we need to continue this dialogue on the Charger Stadium. More and more people are hearing that this is the site to be to discuss this very important issue. Leave it open so people can continue to let their opinions be heard. There are almost 150 hits on this blog and there are a lot of people who don't even know this is the place to get their opinions out on this important issue to Oceanside.

Go Chargers wrote on Jul 9, 2007 5:49 AM:Oceancrime is already at its lowest the only thing it can do know is get better.

Thunder&Lightning wrote on Jul 9, 2007 10:02 AM:As a longtime resident of Oceanside, I fully support building a stadium. I am tired of the lack of vision in the city. The Chargers will bring a huge infusion of dollars to our local economy along with many jobs----the direct and indirect result of an NFL presence. The Super Bowls would also generate tremendous economic benefits for us. A yes vote from me!

The Truth Sets U Free wrote on Jul 9, 2007 11:50 AM:Excerpted from FTB Alliance website: "Replacing Qualcomm Stadium is about fiscal responsibility. Today, the stadium costs the City of San Diego millions of dollars a year to operate. It already has more than $50 MILLION in deferred maintenance and that number will continue to climb each year." The County shares in the burden of maintaining aging infrastructure. What the Chargers are proposing is a PRIVATELY funded & maintained stadium!

Not another Aguirre/Henderson wrote on Jul 9, 2007 1:36 PM:Qualcomm is falling apart and is a liability for the City.San Diego has enjoyed a longer, more useful life for its stadium than almost any other NFL city. Many cities, including Cincinnati, Detroit, New England, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and Seattle; have had two new football stadiums since the Chargers first played on the Mission Valley gridiron in 1967. This year, as the Arizona Cardinals opened their new stadium, 19 of the NFL’s 32 franchises are playing in stadiums less than 10 years old. “Two seasons ago, during a Chargers broadcast, CBS Sports announcer Jim Nantz was drenched with rainwater when the ceiling in the press box collapsed. Fans in the stands were flooded because of the failing drainage system.”-Jeff McDonald, San Diego Union Tribune, May 28, 2006

SDSU Fan wrote on Jul 9, 2007 1:50 PM:What are the stadium needs of SDSU Aztec football? Without Qualcomm or a replacement stadium, San Diego State University would not have an adequate facility to meet Division I-A criteria, which requires a home stadium that seats a minimum of 30,000, and would not be able to field a Division I-A team. Without Division I-A football, San Diego State University cannot be a member of the Mountain West Conference or even the old Western Athletic Conference. What would happen if Qualcomm was not replaced? This would cause SDSU to drop its football program and eliminate 85 athletic scholarships for football players, which would require an equivalent loss of female athletic scholarships, causing up to six women’s sports programs to be eliminated. Losing Division 1-A status would also have a dramatic negative impact on the school’s basketball and baseball programs, among others. How is the stadium currently used for Aztec games? SDSU plays an average of six home games a year in Qualcomm Stadium. The football games at Qualcomm Stadium are the primary venue for the university to provide hospitality and entertainment for alumni, donors, boosters and corporate sponsors. The football games provide a setting for students, alumni, faculty and staff to gather in mutual support of the University. The Aztec Athletic Ticket Office for all events is also housed at Qualcomm Stadium. WE NEED A STADIUM IN O-SIDE!

To SDSU Fan wrote on Jul 9, 2007 3:06 PM:Putting the stadium in Chula Vista would still fulfil the college stadium requirements ... why does it have to be in O-Side? Chula Vista has more room to work with without displacing long standing home owners. Send 'em there!

Jugghead wrote on Jul 9, 2007 3:43 PM:We want the stadium in O-side!!!

To Jugghead wrote on Jul 10, 2007 6:45 AM:No WE don't!!!

To Mr Nimby wrote on Jul 10, 2007 10:24 AM:We want the stadium in O-side. Chula Vista has poor access. Oceanside will serve San Diego & OC fans. Makes tons more sense.

Jugghead wrote on Jul 10, 2007 12:58 PM:YES WE DO!!!

SDSU wrote on Jul 10, 2007 4:49 PM:San Diego State does not have a team worthy of mention and have not had one for the last 25 years. Why should we destroy our neighborhoods in Oceanside for San Diego State. Get you college boosters out there to build yourself another stadium. Oh I forgot it is hard to have boosters on a perennial loser. By the way you guys should be blogging todays community forum it is about Charger Stadium. Maybe Mr. Nimby, Bolthead and Jugghead can put together a full sentence of why the stadium is needed in Oceanside.

MVC To SDSU Fan wrote on Jul 11, 2007 12:31 AM:The best option for SDSU if the Chargers leave would be to downsize Qualcomm to a 30,000-40,000 seat facility. Having the school's home games in Oceanside would be a logistical nightmare.

Boltman666 wrote on Jul 12, 2007 11:09 AM:Build it!