Osider wrote on Jul 7, 2007 12:31 AM:Wrought iron? How ugly would that be? I am thinking something like a small 3' seascape brick wall with the black vinyl fencing finishing up the height. Once again, lets wait to the last minute to make critical decisions!

Ex-Driver wrote on Jul 7, 2007 3:59 AM:Those of you that want a beautiful fence and right of way just remember that you will have to pay for it.

Black Vinyl?! wrote on Jul 7, 2007 7:59 AM:"Kern said the black vinyl will disappear with the right landscaping". Here's a news flash ... so would the chain link ... and it would be easier and faster to cover than vinyl simply by using vining plants. How can you claim your trying to beautify an area and install black vinyl anything!?

Hmmm wrote on Jul 7, 2007 8:04 AM:Chain link is a better solution. Wait until the taggers get at the vinyl fencing. Then we'll begin to see fading in the spots where it was cleaned. It will be tagged again. Then they will start to paint the fence. It will look even worse. How about a black colored chain link fence. Something with color, but not attractive to taggers. If you want to improve the gateway to El Corazon, you're better off widening out O'side Blvd to eight lanes so they can get through the area fast. The four lanes right now is simply not enough.

Ok then.. wrote on Jul 7, 2007 8:07 AM:What about a Moat with alligators and past, snippy, members of the Oceanside City Council. Come on, this is just ugly and after all the hassling of Oceanside Blvd. tenants for the Chargers and the Pharmaceutical CEOs to drive to work down a 'nice' street, this fence is absurd. How about some sort of landscaping thats really inconvenient to cross? Big Juicy Nasty mushy ice plant comes to mind, or thorny stuff.

They've Forgotten! wrote on Jul 7, 2007 8:44 AM:Jack Feller and Jerry Kern and the rest of the Council Members appointed an Oceanside Boulevard Task Force Committee. Why are they making these decisions without consulting with the Committee. Don't spend a dime without their input Mr. Weiss! Or was this Committee just set up for kicks and giggles on the Chargers issue? This should be part of the Plan being designed for Oceanside Boulevard by the Public and the Committee. Get some opinion on the table first! You do not speak for us now! You lost it in negotiations with NCTD! So back out and listen to the Public!

What? wrote on Jul 7, 2007 8:53 AM:Classic case of champagne taste on a beer budget.

Lipstick on a Pig! wrote on Jul 7, 2007 8:56 AM:Peter Weiss, Jack Feller and Jerry Kern are not helping fix the problem of the disgusting workmanship on the wrong fence installed already. Now they want to put black lipstick on this pig of a fence! Dah! Why are we paying for the NCTD/Feller mistake?

Wrought is wrong wrote on Jul 7, 2007 9:45 AM:The upkeep on wrought iron is expensive versus vinyl. Cover the fence with vines etc. it will look nice and make those who damage it pay.

Black Vinyl wrote on Jul 7, 2007 10:08 AM:If any of you want to see how filthy black vinyl gets, and remember the Sprinter has NO landscaping- just dirt- drive up I-5 and look in the center divide. Certain times of the day it looks pretty good, but at the most beautiful time of day, near sunset, the filth and grime show up in vivid, living color- the fence looks rusty, dirty and gross.

Loma Altan wrote on Jul 7, 2007 10:09 AM:Heck yeah we can pay for this. Get rid of the stupid fireworks show. Frankly if Jack Feller had done a darn thing when he was on the NCTD board, we could have upgraded then- he probably slept through all the meetings though just like he does on TV.

Julia wrote on Jul 7, 2007 10:18 AM:What a load of baloney coming from Kern's mouth! NCTD was NEVER going to put in any other kind of fence but the ugly chain link that they contracted for. This is because your buddy Feller didn't 'negotiate' an upgrade, period. Call 'em up Jerry and get your facts straight before you open your trap.

Jimmy the III wrote on Jul 7, 2007 10:45 AM:The PUC said we have to have a "Fence or Barrier" along the sprinter line but why has the Council side stepped their Task Force Advisory Committee they set up to provide them advice (what a slap in our faces) and why can't we as a city be more creative? This makes us sound like simple actors in a dumb and dumber movie. What's wrong with some well placed Boulders interspced with some trees and Hedge type plantings, leading into some public Art works and/or say a public message Board, or say a graded elongated Mini park leading up to a hillside Backdrop in the mission style arcitecture, or How about a real stone wall or faux stone wall like the kind on some of the freeways? There are literally hundereds of barrier styles. Any idiot can come up with the idea and put up a fence or fence with some vinyl. I thought O'siders had Brains and intellect, I know some of our council members are questionable in this category at times with the pressures and demands of their positions but even they can show some great enterprise and superior wisdom if they quit playing simple minds and giving into staff recommendations and look to alternatives by asking for and listening to their appointed citizen advisers. Stop for a minute my City Couhncil and Ask your Task Force for 3 to 5 recommendations and you'll be surprised at the quality proposals you'll recieve. Because what NCTD will put in will become permanent. Besides, NCTD says they don't have the money...well they just submitted a request for $690 million more (on top of the $484 million being spent) through SANDAG for more Sprinter line improvements....NCTD quit lying!!! This Sprinter line is a Billion Dollar Boondoggle!!!

Joey wrote on Jul 7, 2007 11:33 AM:My opinion is that chain link is good, because when the landscaping is finished you will not see the chain link. Wrough iron is better. I don't know about vinyl it probably will not hold up.

To Ex-Driver wrote on Jul 7, 2007 12:05 PM:The non represented employees of NCTD will more than likely pay for this, since the budget is out of whack and the Board decided that our well deserved merit increases will just have to wait until something (if anything) gets resolved.

ARE YOU NUTS? wrote on Jul 7, 2007 12:08 PM:Wrought Iron? That is costly, costly, costly! To Buy & Maintain! Business people - PAY YOUR OWN WAY!

Thanks, San Marcos! wrote on Jul 7, 2007 2:19 PM:The wrought iron doesn't look bad in San Marcos. I'm sure glad my city paid to upgrade it. Not sure what kind of landscaping, if any, the Sprinter will have next to it. NCTD doesn't want to do anything extraneous that will cost them money so probably no landscaping at all.

Freeman wrote on Jul 7, 2007 3:51 PM:What landscaping are you all expecting? This is Oceanside. Our leaders are losers.

Plants aren't good either wrote on Jul 7, 2007 10:04 PM:The idea is to have an attractive barrier without covering it with vines. The idea is to be able to see both sides of the Boulevard, the stores and shops on each side, and not create a ghetto on the South side that would be totally blocked by a solid looking wall or fence.

To Nuts? wrote on Jul 7, 2007 10:05 PM:Did you miss the part about the city have $1million dollars for the gateway improvement area? The only way to make businesses to pay for this is to put them all in a redevelopment area. I can't see Vons and Ralphs exactly going for that. But a clever city manager might look for some contributions wouldn't he?

To Plants Aren't Good wrote on Jul 8, 2007 7:40 AM:First of all, good plantings give life to any area and make them more attractive. So much could be done through the whole corridor simply by adding greenery. Of course, if you want an attractive barrier without plants ... I think you're back to wrought iron.

Polar Bear wrote on Jul 24, 2007 9:57 AM:Any fence is ugly. Fence is a pretty stupid idea anyway. People are not stray dogs, they won't stroll over rail tracks waiting to be hit by a train. Fence is an eyesore. Ugh. Don't want no fences.