Holding Pattern? wrote on Jul 12, 2007 7:47 AM:Why don't they just dump their fuel and fly off to another City for the Landing of the debacle attempts to try landing in Oceanside! They know the opposition outcry is all over town! But they know there is a sucker born every second, somewhere!Goat Hill is not big enough for their landing pattern!

Khalil wrote on Jul 12, 2007 8:43 AM:Bring them to Oside baby!! Everyone knows the report will say office space is needed.

Giveaway wrote on Jul 12, 2007 9:51 AM:This is going to be a public giveaway of valuable lands. City Attorney should put a stop this speculative, field of schemes deal now.

Osider wrote on Jul 12, 2007 9:51 AM:Can't wait to vote on this. Let the voters decide.

Oceanside Chargers! wrote on Jul 12, 2007 10:02 AM:Sounds good to me.

Still makes no sense wrote on Jul 12, 2007 10:28 AM:They say there is not enough room, parking, etc. So they need offices on the site, offices will solve the parking problem? Do you realize just how stupid this sounds? you have 1000 cubic feet of junk to stick it a 500 cubic foot truck, and you say, lets get more stuff to make it all fit! D'oh! Go Chargers, Go! All the way to Tijuana!! Build it in Imperial, then you can get people from Yuma to come! Imperial is great, it has freeway access, you can build a bullet train too. This is just ridiculous.

Crash & Burn wrote on Jul 12, 2007 10:30 AM:Stop holding ... just drop it already! Goat Hill isn't big enough for your pipe dream!

Raiderfan wrote on Jul 12, 2007 10:46 AM:I don't want any public funds being paid to a multi-billionaire for the privilege of charging the good citizens of Oceanside MORE money for tickets, parking, food, etc., just to watch a game. Mr. Spanos could do what Mr. Davis did to Irwindale, and just take the money and run. Oceanside needs to build its economy, not dump it into a big "Goat Hill" hole

bring it wrote on Jul 12, 2007 10:59 AM:Who has ever played Goat Hill? I didn't think so. Its a complete waste of space. Even if the Chargers coming was a wash financially it would still have a positive effect in other areas. I'd look forward to seeing what could be done...

To Bring It wrote on Jul 12, 2007 12:02 PM:I can honestly say I've never played Goat Hill. I don't Golf. But that's completely irrelevant to the issue. It doesn't take an exceptionally intelligent individual to know that trying to shoehorn this stadium in the middle of multiple long established and largely successful neighborhoods can have nothing but a negative affect on the immediate area from the start and, subsequently, the rest of the community over time. The only way destroying these neighborhoods can be even remotely justified is for large financial gain. For the record, by large I mean HUGE! You don't improve a city or an economy by bulldozing over existing neighborhoods. They can find a more suitable (commercial) area or they can go somewhere else!

Bush wrote on Jul 12, 2007 12:34 PM:Its Bush's fault.

Closed Door Session? wrote on Jul 12, 2007 1:14 PM:Mr. Fabiani has made a mokery of the Closed Door Session he has been holding with the Council. He said he has some competition for the property from other offerings being made. He came so close to telling the whole secret of what is being negotiated, I wish he had!

Concerned Oside resident wrote on Jul 12, 2007 1:20 PM:"Largely successful neighborhoods"? It doesn't take an "exceptionally intelligent individual" to know that much of what surrounds "Goat Hill" is old and worn down; almost as bad as the neighborhoods across Mission Ave and all down to the beach for that matter. Bring a stadium in, and perhaps people will be more interested in investing some money into their homes to bring up the value of what is an eyesore of a neighborhood. Most of the neighborhoods in the area are just a landing spot for low-income illegals who rent there just long enough to same some money to get out of the slums! A stadium & office space cannot possibly have a negative economical effect on what's already there! OPEN YOUR EYES!!

To to Bring it wrote on Jul 12, 2007 1:31 PM:"multiple long established and largely successful neighborhoods" - ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Yeah, when I think success, I think the corner of Grape and Greenbrier! HAHAHAHA!! That's the best laugh I've had all day. And those dang Super Bowls the NFL is dying to have in the SD area would definately kill our robust economy in our sleepy lil beach town - LIVE IN THE NOW! Come home Chargers; just come home!

Karl wrote on Jul 12, 2007 1:32 PM:I've played goat hill. I'm not sure if it is a suitable space for the Chargers but I do know it is a waste of space as a golf course.

Dream come true wrote on Jul 12, 2007 1:45 PM:Please,Please bring the Bolts to O-Side.Not only would it be great entertainment, But job oppurtunity, new facelift for the city, and force the mayor to clean up the streets of all the filth out there.

don't count on may superbowls wrote on Jul 12, 2007 2:16 PM:With cities clamoring to build stadiums it is unlikely san diego would get more than the one promised by the NFL. I would like hte stadium with no cost to the city, otherwise I am sure the good citizens of Oside could come up witha good use for that land. How about some more discussion on other uses. How about a University or a bio-tech research campus.

Old Is Not Destitute wrote on Jul 12, 2007 2:17 PM:Sure Loma Alta is an older neighborhood and it could sure use some sprucing up, but it's certainly not prime for bulldozing. Fire Mountain is yet another old neighborhood that will also be negatively affected. I know you can't tell me you think that is run down and ready for destruction as well? You want to look at 'ghetto' neighborhoods you need to be looking farther north and east. Developing Goat Hill could have outstanding positive affects on the entire area, but a stadium is not the answer. And for all you people cheering the 'income generating Superbowls' ... I can hardly still my beating heart thinking about being in a 1 in 30+ rotation with all the other NFL teams. There's only one superbowl a year and those stats are just way to few and far between to justify the destruction of neighborhoods and livelihoods. MY EYES ARE WIDE OPEN!!!

Sick To My Stomach wrote on Jul 12, 2007 2:19 PM:Just figure it out already. Can I stay in my Fire Mountain home or do I have to leave town? All this runaround is making me nauseous.

not amused wrote on Jul 12, 2007 2:23 PM:The same mentality that kept a mall out, kept car country out, and other greatly needed improvements to Oceanside out, will still try to stall progress from their nimby old homes or tin box voter containers with a view. Let's keep the beach for locals and homeless, parks for the locals and gangs, don't connect the main streets such as Melrose, and don't block ocean views from run down neighborhoods and trailer parks. And for goodness sakes, let's not build stadium for a great team in town. That might be seen as an improvement. How about another indoor swap meet? Now that's the Oceanside I know and left.

Oside Original wrote on Jul 12, 2007 2:36 PM:the more people cry and whine about the "possibility" of a stadium being built, the more it makes sense to try to get it done. I'd love to hit a game on Sunday and stop by the beach right after! Might even get the city to start cleaning up the surrounding areas, Lord knows it's long overdue!! I vote YES on Proposition Beachside Bolts!

another idea wrote on Jul 12, 2007 2:44 PM:Since there seems to be so much opposition to the oside idea, why not push for the I-15/sr-76 property? Close to 800 acres, easy access from the 15, have them finally expand 76 from oside. Most of the spenders come from the north county/riverside cnty/orange county and this would draw them all. Who the heck wants to drive to the south bay? Listening Supv. Horn?

Already a Disaster wrote on Jul 12, 2007 3:37 PM:This talk of a stadium has already brought home values down in my area by one hundred thousand and steadily dropping. Thanks a heap you fools on the City Council for ruining my nestegg and retirement years.

Public will get screwed wrote on Jul 12, 2007 3:39 PM:The Chargers have absolutely NO intention of ever making money for this city. It is to line Alex Spanos' greedy pockets. By the time all the costs come to bear, this will be a billion dollar (one billion dollar) boondoggle. No stadium makes money for the host city. You people who want a vote on this are fools if you think it ever will.

Permanently Grounded wrote on Jul 12, 2007 3:42 PM:Turn this idea away before more taxpayer dollars are wasted on this spruce goose of a stadium idea.

To Another Idea wrote on Jul 12, 2007 3:56 PM:Obviously, you don't make the death-defying drive on Hwy 76 every day during rush hour - which is pretty much ALL THE TIME NOW - between College and I-15. If you sat in that traffic every day, I'm sure you'd have a different view about putting a stadium at Hwy 76 & I-15. The funds were allocated to widen 76 YEARS ago, but it has yet to be accomplished. What makes you think they'd get it done before the stadium went in? Let Chula Vista have the losing Chargers or Imperial County sounds better still.

No to O'side Stadium wrote on Jul 12, 2007 3:59 PM:Goat Hill is not big enough for a stadium, let alone office buildings and the like. The traffic problems and no parking alone make it infeasible. Send those loser Chargers to Chula Vista or better still - Imperial County.

To Already a Disaster wrote on Jul 12, 2007 4:05 PM:stop lying to prove a point.

Home Values wrote on Jul 12, 2007 5:01 PM:Call any realtor and check out prices in the area north of the golf course and east of it. I have, have you?

Drew wrote on Jul 12, 2007 6:02 PM:whether the site be in Oceanside or Chula Vista, though Id prefer it in Oceanside, I hope the Chargers find a stadium site soon so they can stay in San Diego!!!

Oceanside Chargers!!!! wrote on Jul 12, 2007 6:05 PM:build a stadium in Oceanside, and keep the Chargers in San Diego County!!!

luis wrote on Jul 12, 2007 6:27 PM:Keep The Chargers In San Diego!

HBM wrote on Jul 12, 2007 6:33 PM:Bottom line...keep em in SD! ANYWHERE in SD!!!!!

Stop The Committee wrote on Jul 12, 2007 7:20 PM:I'm wondering why we are, as a city, pursuing this 'beautify O-Side Blvd Corridor' committee if the city is so recklessly determined on putting the Chargers on Goat Hill. If you want to beautify the corridor you don't include a stadium. If you want to include a stadium you don't bother to beautify the rest. Make up your mind and stop wasting the time of local residents & business owners on the corridor if you've already got a 'mind made up' purpose for that area.

Kyle wrote on Jul 12, 2007 7:31 PM:I dont even live close to San Diego, and i dont want to see them move to a different city, the team would not be the same if it wasn't in san diego!

Todd C. wrote on Jul 12, 2007 8:10 PM:San Diego city government is on a path to a colossal blunder if they can not get past their pity little personal differences with the Chargers management. They will be the most hated people in San Diego if our Chargers leave. It is although a very common way of doing business in todays governments and typical of our new aged leaders in our country. They are addicted to power, frightened to death to make a decision, nervous about losing their little jobs, and totally lacking of any foresight or vision of the future. I can not believe the lack of leadership by San Diego's mayor, what's Aguirre have on him? Boy I sure hope SDSU to turn their program and fill up the stadium, or get use to seeing 45,000 empty seats when they play. How much will that cost the city to keep that thing open after the Chargers leave? Great thinking and leading boys and girls. Disgraceful!!!

Jeff wrote on Jul 12, 2007 8:24 PM:Who really cares anyhow; add a trash heap or NFL stadium...Oceanside is a dump.

Des wrote on Jul 12, 2007 8:25 PM:Reading comments from folks in Oceanside that don't want it in Oceanside. We may understand your feelings, but if you love the Chargers or just want to see the only NFL in Southern California stay in SC then help find a place suitable instead of just complaining and saying, not here, not here! Hell, I'd love to have them even consider my town.

Fred says always SD Chargers wrote on Jul 12, 2007 8:33 PM:Are you sure that you really want to kick the Chargers out of town into the anxiously awaiting arms of another city? Other cities build stadiums to keep there teams from moving away and don't end up beating the public to death. Look at New York and Los Angeles, the supposed #'s 1 & 2 in the marketing arena. They can't get a team in there cities. Do you want San Diego to be just like them? Keep the Chargers anywhere in San Diego County where they belong.

M_Bolt wrote on Jul 12, 2007 10:26 PM:Keep the Bolts in SD, by any means possible. It would be a disaster if So.Cal. lost it's only NFL franchise. Just build the stadium anywhere in SD.

Tom Terrific wrote on Jul 12, 2007 10:46 PM:It takes boldness to consider any big project for a city. Fear of change will always raise obstacles. Oceanside has had enough of fear-based vision killers. This is clearly a huge economic center for any city and the development around I-5 can make or stultify Oceanside. The Chargers are a good neighbor to their host city, look at their scholarships and programs for youth. Does Oceanside need this kind of infusion of services and an international destination site? Those bold enough to see the benfits need our support. They have mine.

SDboltfan wrote on Jul 12, 2007 10:56 PM:Keep the bolts in SD. How will "America's Finest City" look when we lose a professional football team. If the bolts move to Goat Hill at least there's a chence the area can become as revitalized as Petco.

SD Chargers wrote on Jul 12, 2007 11:02 PM:San Diego already lost an NBA team, and one of the most exciting things San Diego has now are the Chargers. Build a stadium and keep em around SD County!!!

LightsoutSD wrote on Jul 13, 2007 3:04 AM:To the raider fan that thinks that O-side should build it's economy instead of a stadium ...How many millions would be "dumped" into your economy when those superbowls come around ?? Where ever they decide to put a stadium that city especially will benefit from them .

Goat Hill Not Petco wrote on Jul 13, 2007 7:01 AM:You cannot compare the Petco area to Goat Hill. They're completely different beasts. Petco was built in the middle of a dilapidated old warehouse district that had nowhere to go but up ... and it's still a work in progress. Goat Hill is nestled in the middle of existing neighborhoods. Loma Alta may not be the newest community in town, but it's also not the worst. Fire Mountain is quiet, quaint and charming. Small businesses have operated in the area for years. They too could use some cleaning up but, again, they're not the worst. Put a stadium in Goat Hill and businesses will close (or be taken through eminent domain). Livelihoods will be lost. Homes will be lost (or taken through eminent domain). Residents will be displaced. Bring the Chargers to OSide for sure, but put them in a more suitable commercial (warehouse) area. Destroying neighborhoods is not an option.

Chris wrote on Jul 13, 2007 7:10 AM:As a San Diego native and a Charger fan since childhood, it would truly be heartbreaking to see the Chargers leave to another city, let alone another state. I am extremely hopeful that a deal will get done which would keep the Chargers within San Diego County.

Superbowls wrote on Jul 13, 2007 10:44 AM:For all you people cheering the 'income generating Superbowls' ... I can hardly still my beating heart thinking about being in a 1 in 30+ rotation with all the other NFL teams. There's only one superbowl a year and those stats are just way to few and far between to justify the destruction of neighborhoods and livelihoods.

It's Only A Game wrote on Jul 13, 2007 11:44 AM:I couldn't care less if the Chargers (or any other team) stay or go. They play football ... big deal. It's not like they cure cancer or anything else useful to society. They entertain those who find sports entertaining. Nothing more ... nothing less. Put them where they can't disturb/destroy their neighbors quality of life or send them packing!

Just so you know Already a Disaster wrote on Jul 13, 2007 1:33 PM:Wake up and look around before you open your mouth. The whole country and especially San Diego is experiencing a decline in housing prices. In San Diego it is getting to be a large decline. Almost all people in San Diego, if they tried to sell their house right now would see a $100k+ reduction from what they could have sold it for a year or two ago.It is NOT the stadium. You are just in the same boat as the rest of us.

To Just So You Know wrote on Jul 13, 2007 4:06 PM:Yes ... it's true the housing markets are down all over. It's also true that the stadium issue is not affecting that market yet. However, it's also true that residents in the area will see a very stiff decline in property values regardless of the market within approximately 2 years of the start of construction. A stadium is something that many people will go to, but no one really wants to live next to. Keep it out of the neighborhoods or send them on their way!

Boltman666 wrote on Jul 13, 2007 4:50 PM:Still your beating heart about super bowls in knowing that O-Side will get at least a 500 million dollar infusion every 3 years. Miami is in the superbowl every 3 years (check the BFL schedule if you doubt me). The only reason SD is not in the rotation every 3 right now is because we currently have an antiquated stadium in the Q. Build it now in O-side.

Sprog wrote on Jul 13, 2007 7:15 PM:Whoever keeps writing about the Superbowls being in a 30+ team/stadium rotation, needs to get a clue. The Superbowl is rotated to indoor or warm weather stadiums. That makes a total of about 5 or 6 if you include San Diego. An infusion of hundreds of millions of dollars every 5 or 6 years is actually a good thing. People also talk about the loss of jobs and housing, but don't talk about the creation of new jobs that come with a stadium and all the new hotels, restaraunts, shopping, etc.. Then you hear people talk about the value of the land that the city would be losing. Are you kidding me? You could value the land at a bazillion dollars and it still wouldn't do you any good unless that land is being used to generate revenue. The only real argument against a stadium I could see is the traffic that it would bring.

To Sprog wrote on Jul 13, 2007 8:28 PM:If I believe your argument that the superbowl is rotated to indoor or warm weather stadiums (and I do) you have no argument because EVERY STADIUM IS EITHER INDOOR OR IN WARM WEATHER!!!!Denver, CO has hosted Superbowls. So has Green Bay, WI and Pittsburgh, PA just to name a few. Have you ever been to any of those locations at the end of January?! And you then expect me to believe that OSide would be in a 1 in 6 year rotation. How stupid do you think we are?! And if you think traffic is the biggest issue then you really need to open your mind as well as your eyes. You clearly don't live in an area where you could face losing your home or way of life over this decision. I understand full well the jobs that could be created with the addition of a stadium. Custodians, concession workers, security guards, etc. None of which will hit the Fortune 500 at any time. You're talking about losing entrepenuers while adding more minimum wage jobs. Yeah ... there's some progress for you. I agree that Goat Hill needs some type of development ... but a stadium isn't it.

To Boltman666 wrote on Jul 13, 2007 8:40 PM:Maybe you need to do a little checking yourself. To research where past superbowls have been played (as an indication to where they will be played in the future), more than half of all Superbowls have occurred in three cities. Yes, one of those three is Miami ... but the other two are New Orleans & Los Angeles. That doesn't include the other half that has been random between other existing stadiums (including Denver, Green Bay, Pittsburg, New Jersey, Kansas City, and so on and so on). It may ultimately average a 3 year rotation, but there is a far from guaranteed 3 year rotation. One thing that is statistically true that could be a positive for SD to have a Superbowl more often is that no NFL team has ever played the big game on their home turf so we could actually get them more often since the Chargers can't seem to get that far. Keep them from destroying neighborhoods or send them packing!!!

To Sprog wrote on Jul 13, 2007 9:27 PM:I'm not the 8:28 person, but I just saw this and see some definite points for clarification & elaboration. The temperature requirement for a city to host a Superbowl is 50. That's hardly warm. Most cities (at least the ones I've visited) would meet that requirement at the end of January. With regards to the specifics of OSide meeting NFL requirements ... I'm sure they would build the 65,000 seat necessary. They'd be stupid if they didn't. Would there be enough space for 10 photo trailers & 40 tv trucks? Not without forcing even more traffic & parking issues into the closest 5 or so square mile radius. How about the required 600,000 square feet for concession space? Again, not without removing parking space. Of course you also have the additional 50,000 square feet required for other news media. Are you serious?! Then we're off to the 'large, high end hotels' for the teams & NFL execs. I'm sure the Westin property will help with that, but I doubt it will enough. After that you have to be able to provide enough 'quality' hotel space for no less than 35% of the stadiums capacity (not attendees ... capacity) within a 1 hour drive. That could likely be a no-brainer, but define quality. Top it all off with the requirement of separate practice facilities for each team ... where would that be exactly? Our climate is not enough to secure regular superbowl rotation. There is clearly so much more to be addressed and, again, not worth bulldozing neighborhoods to accomplish. I'm with 'It's Only A Game'. How much are we, as a community, willing to sacrifice to accommodate some over paid athletes as they entertain the easily entertained? It's not worth destroying the things that people have worked a lifetime to obtain. Put them somewhere more industrial (like Petco) or send them somewhere else.

To Des wrote on Jul 13, 2007 10:31 PM:The only site that makes sense is Qualcomm property. It has 3 major freeways, a light rail that goes into the stadium, tons of parking, the residents who live nearby came AFTER the stadium was built. So don't tell us we haven't given suggestions about where to go. And you know what, I personally could care leff if they move up by Angel Stadium either. That is a perfect location too.

I Was Wrong ... Sort Of wrote on Jul 14, 2007 6:17 AM:8:28PM Poster here ... I realize not all stadiums are indoor or in warm weather. That does mean that not all stadiums qualify for superbowl rotation. However, a good percentage of them do given the various places the superbowl has been held over the years. It may not be a 1 in 30, but it's certainly at least a 1 in 15. It's still not enough to justify the residential destruction that would accompany a stadium on Goat Hill.

Lifetime Resident wrote on Jul 14, 2007 1:37 PM:We fill up every open space in this city with $600+ cookie cutter housing developments, yet city leader continue to endorse development of only Walmart/McDonald minimum wage low quality options for residents. If housing and tourism are to remain our economic backbone, then we need quality jobs for residents HERE, not expensive daily commutes to Irvine/OC or Sorrento Valley/SD. Our beaches are a great place for nimby's to go stick their heads in the sand. The reality is we compete with other cities for tourism dollars, losing millions every season because former city leaders lacked the foresight to develop quality attactions, hotels, and transportation like our neighbors to South, or downtown redevelopment like our neighbors to the East. If it takes a stadium to bring in high paying jobs, so I don't have the time and expense of commuting, so I can reconnect with my family, then count me in.

Registered Voter wrote on Jul 14, 2007 1:59 PM:Have you been to any city council meetings? How is that geriatric group, who can't even agree on po-dunk landing strip, ever going to be able to provide the leadership needed to transform a slag golf course like Goat Hill into a regional crown jewel, state of the art, Super Bowl-ready stadium? Take action now and have your ballots ready.

Where's Junior? wrote on Jul 14, 2007 2:03 PM:Time to graduate and come back home to help us win a real battle.

FromDes to Whoever wrote on Jul 15, 2007 11:21 AM:Hello!! Man everyone knows that the current Qualcomm location is the best. But apparently you haven't been following the situation very closely, because the City of SD will not at this point do a deal with them to build a new stadiun, hence the search for a new location with a city that has some leaders and vision for their city.Remember, as Charger fans we aren't the ones jamming this down O'sides throat, your leaders went to the Chargers with this, so how about wrenching down the hysteria, huh?

Buck wrote on Jul 15, 2007 3:43 PM:As an outsider looking in, I can't comment about the impact to specific areas. I do believe it would be a great loss to the San Diego area to see a team of this caliber leave the area. The likelihood of ever seeing another NFL franchise in San Diego would be very limited. Work it out, folks - other cities do. Keep the Chargers where they belong - in San Diego!

boltfanin619 wrote on Jul 16, 2007 3:06 AM:The very idea of my beloved chargers moving to a pit like O'side makes me sick. Having grown up in Oceanside I can safely say the best day of my life came when I moved the hell out of there. It sucks enough having to go back occasionally to visit my parents (the only thing worth going to Oceanside for), now I may have to go there to catch football games? Our special ed. city counsel ought to be ridden out of town on a rail for letting the situation with the bolts ever get to this point. Oceanside is a lousy place for anything besides getting stabbed in the back three times by a crack head (happened to my brother last year on the strand), or getting pistol whipped by three crips for your jacket (happened to me on N. River Road). North county blows, yeah, I said it. keep the San Diego Chargers where they belong, right here in the city of San Diego.

Chargerguy wrote on Jul 16, 2007 4:01 AM:to "just so you know", Just wondering if you've ever checked out the property value of the neighborhoods around the Rose Bowl? You might consider doing that before posting. just about any area that is becomming run down and old (like anywhere in oceanside) could benefit from a project like a new stadium, if planned out correctly. I'm sure many will dissaggree with that remark, I don't have to go far to find the proof I need to back my claim. Pet-co Park has completely changed the atmosphere around downtown SD in just a few short years, there are several new restaurants and retail shops in the area and an influx of people living downtown again. The skyline itself seems to be expanding on a weekly basis. Believing a new football stadium would not have the same affect on a given area is not only incorrect, it's somewhat ignorant when you consider evidence to the contrary is so blatently obvious and not limited to Pet-co Park by any means. Bottom line is this. What was newly built will evetually grow old. When that happens, re-building becomes a necessity. That applies for anything, be it a library, a court house, an airport, or a stadium. The Q is forty years old now. FORTY, the place is beginning to fall apart. how much more use can we safely get out of that poor building? I don't like the idea of the chargers leaving San Diego Proper but I just had to question what people are thinking when they say a new stadium is bad for Oceanside. The Goat hill is a terrible golf course and could easily fit a new stadium and then some (thats basic math people). The neighborhoods around that site are are an eyesore. You could probably build a gun emporium, a liquor store, and a strip club in that neighborhood without seeing a decline in the property "value". I also fail to see how a stdium would affect Fire Mountain any worse than than the two miles of cookie cutter strip malls which were built between fire mountain and the 78 a few years back.

Free Market wrote on Jul 16, 2007 10:37 AM:Build it in O-side. We need a new stadium. I will support all efforts to do it here.

Strip Malls vs Stadium wrote on Jul 16, 2007 12:02 PM:At least the people who visit the shopping centers park in the parking, do their business and leave. And it all done without invading our quiet Fire Mountain neighborhood. The people who would visit the stadium would act the same as those who visit every other stadium I've ever been to. They'll park in front of our houses because they either can't or won't get into the onsite parking. They'll get drunk at the game and stumble loudly back to their cars that they will then proceed to drive intoxicated through our neighborhoods on their way home. This of course will be after they've dropped whatever food wrapper or beverage cups they happen to be carrying with them on our lawns. They'll trespass on our properties seeking that ever evasive 'short cut'. I see the quality of life in Fire Mountain, Loma Alta, etc going right out the window with this project. For anyone who thinks it's such a great idea ... come buy my home please!!!! I will be going on the market the day this is approved ... IF it's approved for Goat Hill.

Goat Hill Not Petco wrote on Jul 16, 2007 12:02 PM:You cannot compare the Petco area to Goat Hill. They're completely different beasts. Petco was built in the middle of a dilapidated old warehouse district that had nowhere to go but up ... and it's still a work in progress. Goat Hill is nestled in the middle of existing neighborhoods. Loma Alta may not be the newest community in town, but it's also not the worst. Fire Mountain is quiet, quaint and charming. Small businesses have operated in the area for years. They too could use some cleaning up but, again, they're not the worst. Put a stadium in Goat Hill and businesses will close (or be taken through eminent domain). Livelihoods will be lost. Homes will be lost (or taken through eminent domain). Residents will be displaced. Bring the Chargers to OSide for sure, but put them in a more suitable commercial (warehouse) area. Destroying neighborhoods is not an option.

Bambula wrote on Jul 16, 2007 12:40 PM:Look at what the Padres Ballpark did for downtown San Diego. A complete 180-degree reversal. The Chargers comming to Oceanside would create so many jobs, make Oceanside famous for soemthing besides a Marine town, it would bring in millions and millions of dollars, and think of this..... a potential Super Bowl site.... A Chargers stadium here would clean up Oceanside and make it a really desirable place to live.

The Truth Sets U Free wrote on Jul 16, 2007 2:12 PM:We will have a new stadium in Oceanside. The jobs & economic benefits will completely overshadow any displacements experienced by residents. The city is on the clock... we will either achieve greatness by having a vision and building this complex or be a bedroom community as we always have been. I choose greatness!

Go Bolts! wrote on Jul 16, 2007 2:16 PM:The Q is a dump. With Chula Vista now a dead end, Oceanside has location, location,location. The wealthy North County Bolts fans along with South OC fans would be attracted to a new stadium. The idea of Super Bowls in O-side along with the entertainment aspects of the big game happening locally is appealing. I say lets BUILD IT HERE and get 500 MILLION EVERY 3,4 or 5 years!!!! Super Bowl baby.

Chula Vista Dead End? wrote on Jul 16, 2007 2:47 PM:Please cite your source!

To The Truth wrote on Jul 16, 2007 6:10 PM:I'll be sure to tell my kids and my clients that when they ask why we're leaving town.

To Bambula wrote on Jul 16, 2007 6:10 PM:If you don't find OSide a desirable place to live now then why are you here? And if you're not then why are you commenting?

buzz kill wrote on Jul 17, 2007 12:59 AM:The chargers aren't staying in San Diego. Not the city, and not the coun ty either. All this "research" they are paying "consultants" to perform is merely PR spending so when the bolts are on their way to Anaheim, or San Antonio, or Las Vegas, or LA in 2009, we the citizens of this strange county who can't seem to build anything without it being buried under stacks of lawsuits for years, will be the ones who look like jerks, not them. I am a die hard bolts fan, but I understand that the chargers, just like almost every other sports franchise, is first and foremost a privately owned business whos owners are entitled to make as much money from their business as they can. Given the political situation here in the city of San Diego and how bad the city of Oceanside is at actually seeing big plans for renovation through. It seems obvious to me at least, that the Chargers are showing the greatest interest in a site they know will not work because they are stalling long enough to get past that 08 season and blow out of town guilt free. I tip my cap to them for it, we deserve to lose our chargers for not voting more responsibly for our counsel members in the past (or present it seems).

Go Bolts! wrote on Jul 17, 2007 10:03 AM:The Union Tribune casts doubt on Chula Vista sites in articles published 7/15 & 7/16. Oceanside is doable since they will privately fund the stadium. AG Spanos & Company can easily find the partners to get this thing done. What matters most at this point is if the city leaders in Oceanside have the political will to see this through to completion. If they are not afraid of a vocal minority causing a bit of havoc during the process, then we will see our city advance.

To Go Bolts wrote on Jul 17, 2007 10:27 AM:Couldn't find the articles online, but no worries. I'm still pulling for Chula Vista. Shoehorning a stadium in the middle of existing neighborhoods and driving people from their homes is no way to move a community forward. Bring the Chargers to Oside for sure ... but they need to be put in a more commercial area (like Petco was) or they need to go somewhere else.

Thunder&Lightning wrote on Jul 17, 2007 11:39 AM:And god said: Let there be light (thunder & lightning)! Lets build it in Oceanside!