Joey wrote on Jul 31, 2007 10:06 PM:What is Weiss saying? Read between the lines people- "Exploring Options"- "Negotians start when the Chargers say they are coming here!" It sounds to me that the city will give away Goat Hill and roll over for the Chargers at the slightest opportunity. WHO IS MAKING MONEY HERE? "HINT"-BIG STADIUM = BIG HOTEL's, and they are now being built by our pier and other locations to accomidate all the FANS! MARKET SURVEY-BULL! They are already building the hotels! TWEED?

Who invited the Chargers to town? wrote on Jul 31, 2007 10:47 PM:Lets not forget is was Council Member Sanchez who initiated dialog with the Chargers and invited them to consider Goat Hill for the so called "non-negotiations". This idea, like most of Sanchez's, was a losser from the start. By the way, what happened to all the good quotes from our Mayor on the stadium non-negotiations? It looks alot like the City is backing off now, maybe there is a story here, dig deeper.

Mysterious Fire Mountaineers wrote on Jul 31, 2007 10:55 PM:The whiny nimbies are at it again. They fought a nice quite business park in Zocallo Hills, what is there now? HAHAHAHA, a big ugly WalMart. If the stadium does not go in Goat Hill, what will be the alternative? could be worse people!!!! GO CHARGERS, welcome to Oceanside

Candy wrote on Jul 31, 2007 10:57 PM:What is Scott saying about more going on behind the scenes? What the heck is going on here? Is the City giving away our parkland? Somebody should look into that. Hurray for this group!

Jimmy the III wrote on Aug 1, 2007 12:44 AM:The only way I feel the Chargers should be allowed to come to Oceanside is to do the following: 1) be subject to the will of the voters in an immediate special sports recreation district taking care of all traffic, social and environmental concerns with not one dime on the back of the tax payers and only one appeal to the City Council, no courts 2) any non-profit building, city building, private home, facility or enterprise displaced would have to be relocated by the chargers to an like area within the city at full cost born by the chargers 3) that the chargers would have to build and operate at their expense year round for the benefit of the city the stadium and a mid size convention center on any stadium grounds and provide preferential employment to Oceanside’rs, if they don’t then rent would have to be paid for the land the stadium would sit upon at going rates for developed property, in any case after 20 years the stadium would become the property of the Citizens of Oceanside unless improved and renegotiated by the chargers 4) The Chargers would have to become part of the Oceanside community fabric including ownership and management relocation to live and reside in Oceanside What are the chances of this happening? Slim to none. As the chargers ownership don’t really care about Oceanside as we are merely being played, dare them to commit and lay it all on the line, they won’t but if they did they'd do these pro-Oceanside points

Nice article... wrote on Aug 1, 2007 1:13 AM:I see Nadine Scott quoted in every article written on this subject. Did you forget to interview the Bakery Owner this time? C'mon Marga, don't you know anybody else that can talk??

dave from oceanside wrote on Aug 1, 2007 5:38 AM:Go Away Chargers, I just joined your e-mail updates thanks.

Downs Street Dan wrote on Aug 1, 2007 6:32 AM:Ok Knott, let us hear what you would say if they wanted to move the trailer people out- How about your place? This guy screams about trailer parks, but does not seem to have empathy for others in the city, many because he is not a property owner. Isn't it funny, that Knott and Scott rhyme? There seem to be more similarities between the two than differences—is there more than what meets the eye? Go away Chargers and take these two with you.

Hello O'side...It's time to evolve wrote on Aug 1, 2007 6:45 AM:O'side needs to evolve and the same ol' voices of the "small town" hey day keep coming out. Face it, the City needs to grow -- i.e., build hotels and a strong business and convention venue to move away from its military style dependence. Failing to evolve will essentially kill off any hope of making this city a true place to visit on the California map. When you go out of town and someone asks where you're from, how often do you say "Oceanside, Calif." and get a response of "where's that?" You quickly reply, "oh, it's about 30 miles north of San Diego." Let's make it a place on the map where people want to be. It's good for our City, it's good for community.

Cry Me A River wrote on Aug 1, 2007 7:10 AM:How do these groups like the one mentioned in the Oceanside story and the San Marcos folks fighting Palomar Station get the funds to pay a lawyer to act as mouthpieces for their agendas? Oh, that's right, I forgot that in California there is a lawyer under every rock and most will do anything to get their names shown in the press. Its' just a shame that groups such as Go Away Chargers (wow, that's a creative name!)can seemingly find it more advantageous to pronounce their intentions in a threatening way instead of approaching the opposite party to arrange meetings that would allow these agendas to be shared.

To Jimmy the III wrote on Aug 1, 2007 7:27 AM:I pity the Chargers as they try to convince ignorant, narrow minded individuals such as yourself that this project has merits. First of all, your criteria that the Chargers ownership reside in Oceanside is assinine. Dean Spanos has lived in San Diego County for several years; according to you he should live in Mission Valley now rather than a neighborhood of his choice. I applaud him for at least living in the geographical area from which his team draws most of its' fans. Secondly, I'm sure the Chargers - or any other business located in Oceanside - would love to be able to rely on the Oceanside community to fill the hundreds of positions needed to operate profitably, but the neighborhood McDonalds can't recruit enough help from your community, how do you expect a huge enterprise such as an NFL team to do so? While you are at it Jimmy why don't you insist that the Chargers raise all the pigskin in Oceanside needed to manufacture the footballs used as well? Lighten up all of you Jimmy's out there and at least give the Chargers an opportunity to present their proposals before demanding that they get out of your town.

Four Years Ago! wrote on Aug 1, 2007 7:30 AM:Jane McVey, Economic/Redevelopment Director approached Fabiani in January 3,2003 about bringing the Chargers to Oceanside (San Diego Union Article). Esther didn't get that ball rolling! My question is, what else is being negotiated by the City for this site. Fabiani, in his KOCT interview, indicates he has some competition for the site. The question is, do we want to vote on changing Parkland to a Commercial designation? You will vote on that being the issue in 2008. That Vote will decide the whole issue

FIRE MOUNTAIN RESIDENT wrote on Aug 1, 2007 7:31 AM:There are a couple of my neighbors that are trying to stir the pot. I though remaining annonamous do think that the stadium issue would be great for oceanside.

Joey doesn't know what he is talking about wrote on Aug 1, 2007 7:37 AM:If you are correct Joey they must have been planning on moving to Oceanside 7 or 8 years ago when Manchester wanted to put a hotel in at the beach. The planned hotel & timeshare currently being built are for the tourists that need a nice place to stay when they visit Oceanside. Remember people they can't build a stadium with out a vote of the citizens. I think this is just leverage for the deal they want to make with Chula Vista. As for Nadine Scott she is against any development and loves to see her name in the newspaper. Let the facts come out and if they do want to move to Oceanside then let the citizens vote.

Loma Alta resident wrote on Aug 1, 2007 7:40 AM:Go away Chargers = Welcome home more condos and low income rentals. what do you think the city of Oceanside is going to do with that land when the lease is up on Goat Hill? I think the city will find a way to fit in another Walmart in that area. At least Peeking Pete will be happy there will be less people crossing over the hill to get to their favorite store. Put down the banjo for a second and think about the alternatives people. The golf course is going away, now what do you want there?

To Mountaineers! wrote on Aug 1, 2007 7:42 AM:The Zocallo project was squelched by you "whiney nimbies" in Fire Mountain. The Singh Family was willing to build a beautiful addition to the City on that site. Your own neighborhood became so vile they pulled the plan and sold the property. That's why you got a Wal-Mart! You must be a new "whiney" in Fire Mountain area, blame it on your "whiney" neighbors!

Leveraging wrote on Aug 1, 2007 7:50 AM:This spot is way to small for such a project! Fabiani is just using the City as leverage to get what they want in Chula Vista. The Gaylord Group is back in action in Chula Vista and the Chargers want to be next door to this site as it will provide Hotel and other accommodation's for the visitors. The Voters in Oceanside would never allow this project in the first place! Just allot of Hot Air! talk!

Downs Street Dan wrote on Aug 1, 2007 7:56 AM:Obviously, you don't know either Scott or Knott! Perhaps you need to be more active in the community and we can through your name in the mix of active Community members. That armchair you sit in must look pretty rugged and you need to have your vision checked while you are at it!

Oceansider wrote on Aug 1, 2007 8:04 AM:This group may wish anonymity, but won't that run afoul of the city's lobbyist law? Let us know who you are, folks, cause therein lies what your true interests are.

Go Away O'Connell wrote on Aug 1, 2007 8:14 AM:And take Nadine Scott with you.

To Jimmy wrote on Aug 1, 2007 8:16 AM:I don't see how you can possible support anything about this stadium when it's obvious that double or triple tracking at Cavalier Mobile Park will be required. Everyone knows this. How come you don't?

Go Chargers! Go! wrote on Aug 1, 2007 8:52 AM:..all the way to Chula Vista! Tijuana even! just Go! No Free Lunch for Spanos. Pay the market value for the land and all the peoples homesteads you will destroy, or go home. Dude doesn't even live in San Diego/County. He's got no worries.

Not A Friend of Al's wrote on Aug 1, 2007 9:12 AM:The only greatness that you will ever find in the Chargers, is in your dreams. So, dream on and give away your land to Al, he can always use a few extra bucks. The Bolts SUCK & so do the fools that support them.

To Fire Mountain Resident wrote on Aug 1, 2007 9:15 AM:As another Fire Mountain Resident, do you not see how a stadium on Goat Hill will destroy our neighborhood? Call it stirring the pot if you want, but I'll call it saving our investment and quality of life. Bring the Charges to Oside sure, but put them in a more commercial area that makes sense.

Mike wrote on Aug 1, 2007 9:41 AM:If you think traffic is bad now on Oceanside Blvd and the 5, you have not seen nothing yet that's if they come.

Hmmmmm wrote on Aug 1, 2007 10:18 AM:Knott and Scott.....heaven help us...please?

Duh wrote on Aug 1, 2007 10:41 AM:"A citizens group called "Go Away Chargers" has formed by David O'Connell but declined to say how many there are, who they are, or when the group was formed." Sounds like this guy is a JOKE!! Let the Community Vote I assure you i will vote for the Chargers coming here like everyone else who lives here!!!GO CHARGERS WELCOME HOME

Hummmm wrote on Aug 1, 2007 10:52 AM:You are too funny. Yes, they do rhyme.....Knott and Scott. Hey, do you think they will run for council together? What a pair!!!!!!

To Duh wrote on Aug 1, 2007 11:24 AM:You'll vote for it like everyone else WHO here in Oceanside? You must live to the east so you won't be affected. Either that or you rent so you have nothing to lose. Otherwise you wouldn't be providing such a blanket yes. If you cared for your community (if it is your community) you would at least give a yes ... but only if specific community & tax payer based saving criteria is met. This decision won't be made by fans alone!

Weigh all the Evidence wrote on Aug 1, 2007 11:29 AM:The only one that will benefit because of this group is the attorney that represents them. I live along the Oceanside Blvd. corridor and they do NOT represent me. I think we should take a look at all the options and let the voters decide. What makes these people so special that they think they represent all of the citizens of O'side.I say put it to a vote when/should the time come.

Someone should read wrote on Aug 1, 2007 11:34 AM:the website. There are good money reasons why a stadium isn't good for Oceanside. Or do you hormone infused adolescents not read?

What's The Secret? wrote on Aug 1, 2007 11:54 AM:While this group doesn't represent me, they certainly seem to represent my feelings with regards to this project as it's 'proposed' thus far. However, I have to question how effective they think they can be (or how strongly they feel) if they won't come out and stand up for themselves. Why would anyone listen to 'the man behind the curtain'?

John E wrote on Aug 1, 2007 12:29 PM:Given legitimate concerns regarding traffic and taxpayer subsidies, we have to ask, "Is the proposed stadium a good thing for north coast resident, John Q. Public?

dave from oceanside wrote on Aug 1, 2007 12:30 PM:Remaining anonymous when it comes to loud mouth drunks who act like kids is a good idea. You can see it in their posts, trying to pick a fight just like a punk kid, are these adults? This is the type of people the stadium will bring into our city. Drunk and obnoxious and driving. No Thanks, Go Charges Go Away...............

What? wrote on Aug 1, 2007 12:59 PM:Wow, this is getting as big of a response as an article on illegal immigration. Good to see. Now for my two bits. A stadium in O'side would be cool. But don't forget who you are dealing with and the way they treated their last landlord, the city of San Diego. Not that the city of San Diego wasn't partially to blame for the problems. I am not comforable with a political action group that wants anonymitity. How do you weigh the motivations of a group when you don't know who they are? Shoot for all we know they are from Chula Vista and are trying to sabotage O'sides shot at a deal. I don't think this is the case but this illustrates the idea.

The Shadow wrote on Aug 1, 2007 1:06 PM:Who are these concerned citizens with funds to hire an attorney and no guts to show their face? Why give them ink? As you can tell by the blogs there are many who can be quoted on this issue, especially so called community leaders.

am wrote on Aug 1, 2007 1:43 PM:when I mention Oceanside to other people on the west coast they say oh the city full of gangs and trash. Whether we like it or not it has a bad reputation. It's the hotels and people like the chargers that can turn it around. These small minded people only care about themselves and not the overall goood of the city.

for it wrote on Aug 1, 2007 2:12 PM:I agree, the Chargers could be a very solid move in the right direction for this city. If we sit and listen to the older residents, we'll be left with everything they built (gangs and trash and one of the least desirable coast cities in SoCal). Its time for positive change, and if the Chargers can find a way to make it financially viable the its a solid option in my book.

NCT's Tuesday February 21, 2006 wrote on Aug 1, 2007 2:45 PM:Oceanside Councilwoman Esther Sanchez said Tuesday that the idea to lure the Chargers to town surfaced during a recent meeting of the Oceanside Economic Development Commission. "We were talking about the (Center City) Golf Course when someone suggested that we should try and get the Chargers," Sanchez said. "It seemed like a good idea that should be looked at. (The golf course) is right next to the I-5, it's 71 acres and it's going to have a Sprinter (light rail) station right across the street. "Sanchez said she'll ask the council tonight to schedule a workshop within 90 days to consider adding a stadium to the list of potential future developments for the city-owned golf course, which remains under lease until 2012.

dave from oceanside wrote on Aug 1, 2007 3:00 PM:Huh, the gangs and trash will be a thing of the past because a stadium and all it's wonderful accouterments are brought into town. What a stretch, now I have heard some ridiculous statements but this takes the prize as the biggest whopper.

you bet we care wrote on Aug 1, 2007 3:12 PM:A response to am wrote. You bet we care about protecting our neighborhoods and quality of life. You same people thinking how great having the Chargers here ,especially those of you in the Valley, will be the first ones complaining when they see there property taxes go up to pay for this stupid idea. Ring a bell Oceana.

dave from oceanside wrote on Aug 1, 2007 3:32 PM:I think Oceanside will have a tough time making the golf course and the surrounding homes proclaimed a blighted area. Last year, the State Legislature listened to voters and passed several new laws to protect peoples’ homes. We made it harder for government to proclaim an area “blighted.” Raising the requirements for an area to be declared blighted helps protect property owners. An area has to be declared blighted before a redevelopment agency can use eminent domain. Raising the requirements for an area to be declared blighted helps protect property owners. To keep the process out in the open, we increased state oversight by involving the Attorney General, the Department of Finance and the Department of Housing and Community Development to protect your rights as a property owner. Now that these bills have been signed into law, California has clearly taken steps to protect the rights of homeowners and other property owners.

Scooter wrote on Aug 1, 2007 5:39 PM:I believe the city is moving somewhat in the right direction with the hotel and time share downtown. This area needs to be revitalized. What I can't imagine is destroying all of our central Oceanside neighborhoods witha stadium? It just doesn't make sense to me. Money will come in from the development downtown. Let's not lose our beautiful beach town with mass traffic and development. Our beach is the most famous and precious asset for the entire city, no matter where you live.

Make the Area Blighted- wrote on Aug 1, 2007 6:09 PM:The area is not yet BLIGHTED in spite of all the efforts by the city to stop any new developement in this area. Three very good developements have been turned down by the city. Row houses like the ones built recently down town have been turned down by the city council--excuse was too much traffic? The row houses would have lifted our propety values! Another developement turned down was new homes by the Elks Club. Instead the City Opted for buying an old apartment by the Elks, it should be torn down, to be converted to low income housing! Another project was the building of new homes above a commercial BUSINES SUCH AS THE ONES IN CARLSBAD- near the Army / Navy Academy on the coast highway. So it appears that the city WANTS this area to be classifid as BLIGHTED! Nothing new is allowed to be built!

I Hear THe Fans- wrote on Aug 1, 2007 6:26 PM:I hear the fans and all there lackeys. It comes through loud and clear in there posts. The only person I have personally talked to who wanted the Chargers was drunk and unwashed and had on a dirty Chargers "T" shirt. The truth.

Joey Says- wrote on Aug 1, 2007 6:41 PM:Sure they were giving away big money to Manchester 7 years ago and for what? How much was it? Now that we have more than one big hotel being built we need people to fill them. No problem with a stadium. But as someone said we need a vote. Does anyone remember where the park land was that they were trying to give Manchester for his hotel by the pier?

O'side citizen wrote on Aug 1, 2007 7:09 PM:We could only be so lucky to have the Chargers call Oceanside their home. Good for everyone. I would love to take my family to game!! Hello Chargers!!

To O'side citizen wrote on Aug 1, 2007 7:20 PM:So take them to a game. What's stopping you? Or are you so lazy that you can't travel to Qualcomm and need them closer in order for you to enjoy them personally?

Stadium Problems wrote on Aug 1, 2007 8:22 PM:Imagine 60,000 people on game day on the freeway, Oceanside Boulevard, Mission and your neighborhood. Gross. And you folks must know they will NEVER call them the Oceanside Chargers.

Maybe reason wrote on Aug 1, 2007 8:34 PM:Fabiani and his firm is well known for attacking the opposition on a personal level...calls himself the Master of Destruction. Why would anyone want him to know who his name?

Edward Teyssier wrote on Aug 2, 2007 3:05 PM:The new Padres' ball park and renovated Chargers' stadium have been, as the supporters promised, promised, promised, a HUGE financial success for the City of San Diego...That's why the City of San Diego doesn't have any bond debt and isn't facing any pension deficit and is NOT considering any tax increases and is just rolling in so much money it doesn't know what to do with all. Certainly, Oceanside could also enjoy all the benefits the City of San Diego has experienced if the nay sayers would just shut up and go away.

To Edward wrote on Aug 2, 2007 9:26 PM:And exactly how much is your property investment + quality of life worth to you? If I wanted all San Diego has to 'offer' I would have bought in San Diego. They can have the Padres and they can keep the Chargers for all I care. The cost is not worth the sacrifice in this instance. Put them in a more commercially appropriate location or put them somewhere else!

Derek Zoolander wrote on Aug 3, 2007 2:36 PM:Hey Jimmy III, do you live right next to the building where you work? The relocation idea is complete BS. If you were a multi millionaire running a business, you wouldn't want to move somewhere just because your building is there. Also, Mysterious Fire Mountaineers is right. After 2011, what do you think will be put there? Maybe a Mega Wal Mart. The small town atmosphere is perfect for their business model, which is to move in and strangle the areas exisitng businesses. How much money would they generate in taxes? A lot less than the Chargers would, I'll bet.

Encinitan wrote on Aug 3, 2007 5:48 PM:I guess it doesn't matter to Oceanside officials that this move would impact a lot of citizens living along the Interstate 5 corridor. There is already too much traffic. Do we really need to add more so that a few people can make a lot of money? I resent the fact that the Oceanside City Cuuncil is not concerned with their neighbors to the South.

Want Season Tickets wrote on Aug 3, 2007 7:16 PM:I am ready to buy my season tickets. I can tailgate at my own house. Can't wait!!!!

Free Market wrote on Aug 6, 2007 10:57 AM:OK. Let me get this straight. ANt economic development that generates traffic ought to be blocked? By this forward way of thinking, Oceanside would still be hills and brush. Chargers---Don't let a few left leaning agitrators who wish to block anything other than public parks and/or libraries stop you from coming here. Your supporters are too busy working to agitate in the streets. Rest assured, your fans and supporters will turn out at the ballot box in droves!

To Free Market wrote on Aug 6, 2007 2:37 PM:While traffic is a concern, I believe the destruction of entire neighborhoods is a more important reason to say NO. Add that to the public land giveaway and the logically impending use of eminent domain for the areas immediately surrounding Goat Hill and there is just no way this can add up. And for the record, I both work and would like to see something more productive done with Goat Hill ... but a stadium is not it. This decision will not be made by the fans. We have a community to protect!

Oceanside Confidential wrote on Aug 7, 2007 11:03 AM:From Aug 2nd article in NC Times titled: "Activist bought Go Away Chargers Web site" "Activist and City Hall watchdog Nadine Scott, who said Tuesday that she didn't know anything about the group called Go Away Chargers, is registered as the owner of goawaychargers.com" "Scott maintained Thursday that she knew nothing about the group when she bought the Web site recently for a friend, Mandy Berre". "Everybody knows I buy up domain names. It's one of my hobbies," said Scott. "I didn't even remember it, to tell you the truth." Let's see, she denies knowledge of owning a website??? ..... that's hilarious!!! Good one Nadine!, I hope you can remember you were appointed by Councilwoman Esther Sanchez to the Oceanside Boulevard Improvement Plan Committee! I wonder if the INFO contained on "go-away-chargers" mirror's it's owner? "I didn't even remember it, to tell you the truth." says Nadine Scott.

Not another Aguirre/Henderson wrote on Aug 7, 2007 1:54 PM:I am ready to also buy season tix. As a resident of O-side, I AM a FAN and WILL VOTE! Take that "To Free Market!"

Tim L. wrote on Sep 13, 2007 6:53 PM:Observant readers will quickly sort out the chronic complainers / NIMBY's in these articles and responses. As per usual, the vocal (OK, strident) minority will get lots of press and much attention from our rather challenged polititions. You have to chuckle when you read about saving the "park" (i.e., goat hill) - my, that is some park! Come on, people - this is a fabulous location. Instead of crying about change, let's try to make something special in our town. To the Council - can someone over there "grow a pair"? Get off of your collective rear's and make a decision that will benefit our citizens for the next 100 years. Go get 'em, Rocky, Jerry, and (gasp!) Esther!