Law v. Regulation wrote on Aug 4, 2007 11:37 PM:The law passed by Congress, and signed by the President, has no exemption for 'casual employment by individuals who provide domestic services in a private home that is sporadic, irregular or intermittent'. An administrative agency has NO AUTHORITY to issue regulations that provide loopholes to the laws passed by Congress. The regulation's loophole is invalid and without the force of law.

California Law Violations! wrote on Aug 5, 2007 12:08 AM:A casual laborer employed for one hour may be considered an employee under California common law. Employers who fail to pay unemployment insurance on such casual labor may be criminals. http://www.edd.ca.gov/taxrep/de231k.pdf A day laborer may claim to be an independent contractor to avoid complying with the law. Nice try! In Vista, an independent contractor must have a business license. Without business license, a day worker must be an employee. It is virtually impossible to hire a 'day laborer' who is an illegal alien without violating Federal law, State law, or a City ordinance!! Also, note that almost all of the Cities complaining about the lack of Federal enforcement was not will to enforce their own ordinances, such as business license requirements.

This line says it all! wrote on Aug 5, 2007 12:30 AM:"it is illegal (for immigrants or visitors) to work without authorization," she said. This line says it all. They (the illegals) are breaking the law! Why does Ms. Smith continually stand behind these law breakers. Those who want to help illegal immigrants should try to help them improve the countries they left rather than supporting their law breaking here in the US.

Josh wrote on Aug 5, 2007 2:59 AM:I wonder if the anti-immigrant crowd would prefer to see their own kind standing around, waiting for someone to hire them for a day.

chatter wrote on Aug 5, 2007 4:28 AM:if boarder patrol would monitor the corners little old people would not have to seek the status of the corner workers

Senor Cabo wrote on Aug 5, 2007 5:29 AM:Get rid of them once and for all-this country will go in the toilet if we do not enforce our laws. Look at Mexico the lawless country to the south-I predict in 5 years they will have a full blown revolution! Senor Cabo

P wrote on Aug 5, 2007 7:05 AM:"Unchecked Immigration" wow, that's a new one!

Pluto wrote on Aug 5, 2007 7:11 AM:I hope that people are beginning to see that the Minutemen say anything that suits their agenda, whether it's true or not. They have always claimed it's illegal to hire an undocumented person, but reality is more complex. They even put yellow flashing lights on their cars and chase down people who hire day laborers, which is itself illegal. But even if it's illegal for the worker to work without authorization, it's not illegal to hire them for short term work around the home. And day laborers comprise only .02% of the state's work force, so what are they accomplishing other than spreading ignorance, stirring up hatred, and making these men's lives even more miserable and desperate?

To The Publisher wrote on Aug 5, 2007 7:44 AM:Doesn't this reporter write about anything other than promoting his pro-illegal alien stance? His stories are boring. Your readers are looking for something better.

Hiring Illegal Aliens Clearly Illegal wrote on Aug 5, 2007 8:03 AM:The law (8 USC 1324a) clearly requires an I-9 for all employees, without an exception for domestic employees. According to the law, 'It is unlawful for a person or other entity . . . to hire for employment in the United States an individual without complying with the requirements of subsection (b) of this section. . . . The person or entity must attest, under penalty of perjury and on a form designated or established by the Attorney General by regulation, that it has verified that the individual is not an unauthorized alien by examining [listed documents].'

I-9 Form Required For Day Laborers wrote on Aug 5, 2007 8:06 AM:On the question of I-9 forms for day laborers, the 9th Circuit ruled against David Jenkins, who hired day laborers without completing an I-9 form. Jenkins v. INS, 108 F.3d 195 (9th Cir. 1997) Case No. 95-70458, Feb. 25, 1997. Further, the 9th Circuit pretty much invalidated the domestic employee exception touted by day laborer advocates [8 CFR 274a.1(h)]. According to the 9th Circuit, 8 USC 1324a(a)(1)(B) applies to all employment in the United States, without an exception for domestic employees. Quoting from the case, 'Section 1324a(a)(1)(B) imposes various immigration verification and reporting requirements on employers who "hire for employment in the United States." The statutory language is unambiguous: it applies to all employment in this country. The court of appeals usually defers to an agency's reasonable construction of a statute that it is charged with administering. But an agency interpretation is not entitled to deference if it is contrary to clearly expressed congressional intent. The plain language of S1324a(a)(1)(B) extends the employment eligibility verification system to all employers who hire for employment in the United States. The term "employment" in the statute could not be described as ambiguous. The legislative history of the statute did not support the interpretation that the agency adopted. If anything, it suggested that Congress did not intend to extend the reporting requirements to employments that are extremely brief. Neither the statute nor the legislative history supported the regulation's limitation to "domestic" employments. However, Jenkins did not argue the issue before the INS. For purposes of this case, the validity of the regulation had to be assumed.'

Construction Work Is Not Domestic Employment wrote on Aug 5, 2007 8:08 AM:Construction work is not 'domestic' employment according to Jenkins v. INS, 108 F.3d 195 (9th Cir. 1997) Case No. 95-70458, Feb. 25, 1997. Quoting from the case, 'Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) Agents Crebbs and Stutheit watched as appellant David Jenkins picked up two men and drove them to his residence. After a brief exchange with Jenkins, the agents attempted to question the two men. One of them fled, but the agents arrested the other (Santos), who stated that Jenkins had hired him for a one-day job. Jenkins admitted that he never completed employment eligibility verification forms that are required by S 1324a of the Immigration Reform and Control Act.' Further, Jenkins felt that a norrow interpretation of the "domestic" exception was unfair. Quoting the case, 'Jenkins contends, "the neighborhood boy could mow the lawn without IRCA compliance, but if the same boy is asked to shovel some dirt the job becomes 'construction' and the INS can swoop in." The posture of this case leaves us in an interpretive quandary. Jenkins argues that the ALJ's decision is an unreasonable interpretation of the regulation, 8 C.F.R.S 274a.1(h). But, we have serious doubts about whether the regulation itself reasonably interprets the statute or the legislative history.' Like Jenkins, the California Rural Legal Assistance Foundation is trying to skirt the law [8 U.S.C. 1324a(a)(1)(B)] by claiming exception to the law under a regulation of doubtful merit. Jenkins lost his case. The California Rural Legal Assistance Foundation will likely similarly lose in its efforts to skirt the law using a regulation of doubtful merit.

To the publisher wrote on Aug 5, 2007 8:36 AM:Thank God you finally wrote some truth. I was getting pretty sick of reading about the crazed hate groups that have formed and are running around spreading lies and hate. Thank you Edward SiFuentes for once and for all putting to rest the lies of the SDMM who say it is illegal to hire illegals. Who are they to say if someone is illegal? I guess they have a special radar to detect illegals? Now I know the truth and I will hire those men without guilt or shame. Also did you know that the modifications made to the hiring ordinance in Vista includes on the spot registration? So go hire these hardworking, honest, pleasant men to work for you.

MaryBeth wrote on Aug 5, 2007 8:45 AM:I'm a little old lady who hires these men on occasion. I have no one else to help me. Next time I go down to El Camino, I'll enlist the aid of a Minuteman.

To Pluto - Ditto!! Ditto!! Ditto!! wrote on Aug 5, 2007 8:51 AM:I could not have said it better myself.

Robert24 wrote on Aug 5, 2007 9:06 AM:Hey, I have an idea: You know how when you go fishing you have to have a fishing license and it has to be visible in plain sight? Well, so that there isn't any confusion as to who is here legally or not, let's get all the legal day laborers a "fishing license" to hang around their neck for the people that feel the need to hire these folks. Problem solved (unless, of course, someone like Bill Flores or Claudia Smith decide that this is racist and targeting those who, oops, aren't here legally and can't get their license).

Michael wrote on Aug 5, 2007 9:07 AM:I went to hire a day laborer last Saturday in Vista and I was told by some men that it was illegal to hire these guys. Now I find out they lied to me and that it is NOT illegal to hire these guys! Shouldn't this concern our city officials? I mean when the public is being mislead by a someone isn't that against the law oh I guess it is really just morally wrong to lie and deceive? So I will go there today and hire them to do work for me because they work hard and are the most honest people I have met. That is especially true now that this article came out and brought to my attention the dishonesty of those men who duped me.

Josh wrote on Aug 5, 2007 9:10 AM:to 'To the Publisher': you can always read some of the thousands of other news articles in the world.

Dan wrote on Aug 5, 2007 9:20 AM:Aren't there any other reporters on the NCT staff that write about illegal immigration? Why is Edward Sifuentes the only NCT person to write about this? Sifuentes articles are ALWAYS favorable of the illegals.

Steve wrote on Aug 5, 2007 9:43 AM:One quote says: "The law does not include "casual employment by individuals who provide domestic services in a private home that is sporadic, irregular or intermittent," it states." Clearly this statement may cover workers in a house. It does NOT cover workers outside - referrence the "in" portion of the statement. The potential workers are in America illegally and need to be deported. Whether they are working or not is immaterial.

Carter: wrote on Aug 5, 2007 10:15 AM: If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck. and quaks like a duck, it most likely is a duck. If you drive to a site to hire a duck to mow your lawn, you are performing an un-American act. In this day and time it is even socially unacceptable. Therefore, you are a social disgrace. Even though I have nothing to do with them, ducks have impacted my life to a point were it is unacceptable. I drove through a fast food place with my daughter. To better assure that we was getting what we ordered I asked the duck at the window what was in the bag. She told me and as I drove away my daughter said, "Don't do that Dad, they will remember you and spit in your food." I asked my daughter, "In that case, what are we doing here?" I have eaten my last fast food meal. I am tired, very tired, so, if it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, - - -.

Hire Day Laborers they do an honest days work for their pay!! wrote on Aug 5, 2007 11:28 AM:I am so glad to hear this news. I always hire these guys to do work at my home and they have always been polite, and hard working. I stopped because I thought it was illegal but now even ICE says it is not so I will begin use the again. I hope all the rest you intelligent people who have been fooled by the lies do the same. I think if we hire these men they will have no need for public services, if they get services at all. I think everything that comes out of the mouth of the illegal immigration side is a bag of tricks and lies.

To I-9 and Construction work is not Domestic Employment wrote on Aug 5, 2007 11:32 AM:Please announce to this forum your credentials! What makes you the expert in interpreting the law? Are you the Kreep that was quoted in this article? If you are not an attorney then you should zip-it because the cat is out of the bag!!!! IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO HIRE DAY LABORERS.....Did you not read what Lauren Mack said, she is the spokesperson for ICE so I do tend to believe her over you since you could be any Joe Blow giving your opinion or advice. I am not buying it.

To Carter wrote on Aug 5, 2007 11:49 AM:Wow, interesting I had that very same conversation with my son. I was having dinner with my family at Black Angus the other night and I sent my food back to the kitchen. My son who is (12 years old) said to me you shouldn't have done that the cook is gonna spit in your food. I asked why he thought that would happen and he said everybody knows they do that mom. I think it doesn't matter if it is a fast food or a sit down restaurant, and it doesn't matter if the cook or the waiter is a duck. I think it is only human nature to think that someone will retaliate in such a disgusting manner, however we must remember it is the mindset of child who thinks this way. Also, I think this is an urban myth.

DS wrote on Aug 5, 2007 12:11 PM:To Dan, going beyond the typical one-line spin of the Minutemen doesn't make this person biased. I'm just surprised no one seems to have asked this question about legalities before.

To Dan wrote on Aug 5, 2007 12:30 PM:Oh come on Dan does it really matter who the reporter for this story is! It is so clear that if the reporter does not report what the mm's and the like minded want them to they immediately discredit the reporter. I think Edward has a lot of courage to expose this lie knowing he would be critized, and talked about. Good Job, Edward. Dan perhaps you should read ALL the articles written by Edward they definately do not always favor the illegal immigrants side.

It is the AMERICAN WAY to help all people. wrote on Aug 5, 2007 12:34 PM:"chatter wrote on Aug 5, 2007 4:28 AM: " if boarder patrol would monitor the corners little old people would not have to seek the status of the corner workers " I think Lauren Mack the very capable spokesperson for ICE stated very clearly...."The difficulty for those who claim that hiring a day laborer is a crime is proving that the person is not authorized to work, she said. "It's not even clear if the person is here legally or illegally," she said." Border Patrol, ICE, nor law enforcement can or will questions these men, why? It is Un-Constitutional. As far as it being Un-American to hire these guys you could not be more wrong....the United States was made great by the contributions of immigrants!!

Tony wrote on Aug 5, 2007 12:39 PM:When I need help with odd jobs around the house, I hire a couple of Marines from Camp Pendleton using the Hire Patriots ... website (maybe the blog editor will leave the reference intact). They are skilled, dedicated, hardworking people who need to supplement their remarkably-low military pay. Do yourself a favor and do our defenders a favor and hire them instead.

esb wrote on Aug 5, 2007 12:54 PM:Legal immigrant is not the same as illegal immigrant period. Legal immigrant came here legally and followed the laws. The illegal ones are sneaks, liars, and law breakers. Law breakers belong in jail. My parents did it correctly and became citizens.

To Announce Credentials 11:32 AM wrote on Aug 5, 2007 1:01 PM:Perhaps you did not get it! Lauren Mack works for ICE, a part of the Bush Administration. The Bush Administration has ignore or failed to enforce almost every immigration law on the books. ICE regulations [8 C.F.R.S 274a.1(h)] are not the laws passed by Congress and are only the rules published by an agency of the Executive branch. Further, according to the 9th Circuit, ICE's exception is 'contrary to clearly expressed congressional intent' [8 U.S.C. 1324a(a)(1)(B)]. It is not unusual for the an increasingly corrupt Executive Branch to ignore laws passed by Congress, especially on the border security and illegal aliens issues. Another gross example is 8 U.S.C. § 1642(a)(1) which requires verification that a person applying for a Federal public benefit is a qualified alien and is eligible to receive such benefit. The law mandates, 'Not later than 18 months after August 22, 1996, the Attorney General of the United States, after consultation with the Secretary of Health and Human Services, shall promulgate regulations requiring verification that a person applying for a Federal public benefit . . . is a qualified alien and is eligible to receive such benefit.' 8 U.S.C. § 1642. The Clinton and Bush Administrations just ignored the law and never issued final regulations. The only rational explanation for not issuing the regulations, after over 8 years, is political corruption resulting from an unwillingness to follow the law! Given the political corruption on the part of US and Mexican agents dedicated to undermining the immigration laws, why would I make my identity public?

To esb wrote on Aug 5, 2007 1:07 PM:Are you referring to Christopher Columbus? He was the first illegal immigrant! He came here uninvited, unsolicited to take over this country from the natives, right?

Who cares who you are!!! wrote on Aug 5, 2007 1:11 PM:I say we should Impeach Bush but not before he gives Amenesty to the illegal immigrants. He pardoned Scooter Libby why not pardon the illegals immigrants?

Uranus wrote on Aug 5, 2007 1:19 PM:Nice cite to the Jenkins case. I hope that people are beginning to see that the illegal alien activists will say anything that suits their agenda, whether it's true or not. They have always claimed it's legal to hire an undocumented person, but reality is more complex. They even put out false police claims and assault people who video the crimes of those who hire day laborers, which is itself illegal. But even as it's illegal for the worker to work without authorization, it's just as illegal to hire them for short term work around the home. And day laborers comprise only .02% of the state's work force, so what are illegal alien activists accomplishing other than spreading ignorance, stirring up hatred, and making the lives of neighboring business even more miserable and desperate?

I almost gave up the North County Times!!! wrote on Aug 5, 2007 1:20 PM:Just when I was ready to cancel my subscription the North County Times writes this fantastic article. It is about time they begin to give their readers some truth in this immigration debate. We can not on a local level deal with immigration. Congress must do it. The crazed nut jobs I have encountered in Vista at the day labor hiring site have spread lies about it being illegal to hire these guys. Finally the truth has been told for all to see and know that it is NOT illegal to give these guys work!!! The crazed nut jobs I am talking about say it is illegal to hire these guys now that the truth is out I wonder what they will use next....according to Carter they will no longer say it is illegal now it is Un-American. Hogwash

Don't trust anyone. wrote on Aug 5, 2007 1:31 PM:I don't hire these guys and I would not hire a Marine either. To much bad press on both these groups. I would not hire a minuteman either they have too much bad press. It is so hard to get good help now a days.

American Citizen for Amnesty!!! wrote on Aug 5, 2007 1:39 PM:Legalize don't ciminalize!! Amnesty now!! Stop the persecution of the brown people! Show your support for equality by hiring these guys. I have never hired them before but I will now.

LUVUS wrote on Aug 5, 2007 1:54 PM:To "I almost gave up..." Wrong! But if you choose to believe an article penned by Ed Sifuentes over the Rule of U.S. Law, that's your problem. Posts from 8:06 am, 8:08 am and 1:01 pm on Aug. 5 have it right. There will always be folks such as yourself, who "need" to find a way around the law. Thank God they are few and far between. We'll see how history handles this gross abuse of the law by the U.S. government!

Jorge wrote on Aug 5, 2007 2:21 PM:To Uranus: As one of the "activists," I am doing something I totally believe in. I do it for my children and grandkids, for my community and for my country, because I believe in the United States of America as she has always been. I am aware of what lies in the future for America if we, as legal, taxpaying Americans do not act NOW. Because I know that my intentions are lawful and beneficial to America, I feel 100% great about my efforts at the end of every day. Certain countries need to address the burdens they place upon their own people, and change their ways to enhance the lives of those who are their responsibility. For instance, it is not the fault of these United States of America that the people of Mexico have not acted aggressively toward their oppressive (very wealthy) government for decades. We do not exist at the whim of Mexico or any foreign country currently unlawfully occupying our soil. It is cowardice and perhaps laziness that seem to come into play as these folks seek a way for themselves and their (ever-growing) families. Just because we are a physically close neighbor, sharing a long BORDER with Mexico, does not give them a free-pass to invade our country for their own benefit. We have been, are, and always will be, a SOVEREIGN NATION. Our perimeters should secure us. That we are under the "leadership" of an elite globalist is unfortunate, and something should have been done about it years ago, but all that will soon change, hopefully for the better...if not, I shudder to think what we face if we are to protect and secure this nation. I will stand with my brothers and sisters against the North American Union or any other force conjured by a corrupt U.S. government.

Shirley P. wrote on Aug 5, 2007 3:00 PM:The North County Times knocked it out of the park!!! This is a bigger deal than Barry Bonds home run. Thank you for clearing this matter up. I have always hired these men to work at my home. They are helpful, respectful, hard working, and pleasant. I always give them a meal and I sit and talk to them about their journey her to the U.S. It is a dangerous and frightening trip. They are so grateful to be here and I understand why.

Poor Jorge wrote on Aug 5, 2007 3:32 PM:Take a chill man. You are going over the top. I feel sorry for you man. You have a nice rap man but the listeners just don't feel the way you do about this. I understand that illegal immigration is a bad thing but what you guys do by harassing these guys is really not the right way to go. There has to be another way to handle this situation. I probably saw you on the minutemenunvarnished website (maybe the blog editor will leave the reference intact). Like you did for Tony. That is just disgusting behavior and I am sad that you are proud of what you are doing as you said "I am doing something I totally believe in." You really need to check yourself because I think you and your buddies are out of control. This is a good article. I know you guys and as you say "As one of the "activists" don't like it because it disagrees with your agenda, that does not make it untrue.

Regarding Edward Sifuentes wrote on Aug 5, 2007 4:22 PM:Mr. Sifuentes,like most reporters, is just trying to report the stories as well as he can. Minutemen and their ilk whine and blame him when the story doesn't come out exactly as they wish. It's partly a well-known tendency called "shooting the messenger", made worse by the immaturity of the immigrant-bashers and the fact that his name is Latino. It's yet more proof of the racism involved here.

To Chill Man wrote on Aug 5, 2007 7:13 PM:Out-of-control was Gente Unida in 2005. A group called Gente Unida disrupted a meeting of the Friends of the Border Patrol in Mission Valley on September 17, 2005. The NCTimes reported the story here: www.nctimes.com/articles/2005/09/18/news/top_stories/22_18_179_17_05.txt. A report by Jodi Baker of Fox 6 News shows the video(available on the internet). Similar groups tried to stop Senator Morrow from holding a meeting in Carlsbad. Security for the meeting cost over $100,000. That security was not there because of the Minutemen. www.nctimes.com/articles/2005/08/05/news/coastal/21_55_058_4_05.txt Turning a blind eye to the disgusting behavior of the pro-illegal alien groups shows your bias. More stories: www.nctimes.com/articles/2005/08/18/news/coastal/21_48_488_17_05.txt; www.nctimes.com/articles/2005/08/09/news/top_stories/8805205148.txt

From Chill Man wrote on Aug 5, 2007 9:48 PM:Do you have any reports of things that happened this year man. Who cares about the what happened in 2005. Any way it seems that the only thing you guys don't like is opposition! I read the article about the Carlsbad meeting and it seems that you guys tried to keep the meeting private and excluded some people of color. Once again my point is proven, you guys don't like opposition. I don't turn a blind eye to the disgusting behavior of anyone group, but the only group I have seen misbehaving are the minutemen and others who are against illegal immigration. Once again I do not believe this is the way to solve this issue. I have only witnessed minutemen and women acting badly. What's with attacking that church, man. What about that dude who put his arm pit in the face of some latino guy who just stood there and did nothing to instigate or retaliate, also he was pushing his camera into this guys side and back. If that were me I would have popped the guy in the face and then you would be calling me out of control. This is new video not old stuff I saw on minutemenunvarnished (maybe the blog editor will leave the reference intact)like you did for Tony. If all you have is two year old video I am not interested. You know what have they done to you lately.

Mary wrote on Aug 5, 2007 9:50 PM:I would never hire illegals to come and do work at my house. That is what teenage kids are for. MaryBeth - try asking if one of your neighbor's kids would like some extra money. And Tony thanks for the tip about the Hire Patriots website. When my kids leave home - I will definitely call in the Marines.

BonitaJuanita wrote on Aug 5, 2007 10:01 PM:Borrrrrrrrr-ing.

Joey wrote on Aug 5, 2007 10:40 PM:If the BP can stop thousands of cars at the check point between Oside and San Clemente - why can't they stop cars full of illegals at the Value Plus Market on Mission Ave in Oceanside? Take a look at that place! The gov can't do its job plain and simple!

EscoWatchDog wrote on Aug 5, 2007 10:50 PM:Sifuentes has been very neutral and professinal in his reporting. Never have I read that he takes sides. Again, if the minutemen don't agree then they say it's biased. They complain about everything..they have nothing better to do. So, why do these minutemen keep lying about people who hire day labors saying they are breaking the law then they really are not. Sporadic work has a different set of terms. These minutemen need to seek some legal counseling and stop spreading half truths!

garrett wrote on Aug 5, 2007 10:59 PM:wow we just relised where the illegals r im calling the border patrol next time i c a group of them. heres a hint home depot! if illegals r so harmless what is MS13! not to mention they cost taxpayers $22,000/per yr /illegal. and only contributs about $9,000. you do the math!

Janet wrote on Aug 6, 2007 4:22 AM:"Immigrant rights activists say that means residents who hire day laborers for domestic work" I strongly object to the continued use of the word "immigrant." There is no objection to legal immigrants having all rights that are afforded American citizens. PLEASE tell it like is is: If we are talking about illegal immigrants, call them by that name.

John wrote on Aug 6, 2007 5:07 AM:It seems that a few folks up there that side with the illegal aliens have truly missed the whole point. The Illegals come from a truly corrupt country that is fantastically wealthy .The fact of the matter is that these people are cowards who wont stay and fight for ther rights in ther own country. Maybe its time for another revolution in Mexico. Why do you think the Mexican Government is so paranoid about gun ownership?

Casual Labor wrote on Aug 6, 2007 7:10 AM:If these day laborers are casual labor legally here or not. They should be required to have a business license and insurance to conduct their business. I also think the Cities should charge the day laborers with a fee for using tax payer land to conduct their business. Then people might be ok with the loitering that goes on as long as the city and the tax payers get thier cut of the taxes and fees.

I am not a minuteman wrote on Aug 6, 2007 7:18 AM:but an educated and intelligent Latino woman. There is absolutely NOTHING unbiased about Ed Sifuentes reporting. His bias for ILLEGAL immigrants is blatant. So much for supporting America.

Go after. wrote on Aug 6, 2007 7:19 AM:The businesses first. They created the problm.

Labor Ready wrote on Aug 6, 2007 7:21 AM:are casual day labors, how come we have to show our social security cards and get taxed, and if we go to a medical clinic we have to pay!!

Just so you know wrote on Aug 6, 2007 7:28 AM:I do my own yard work, clean my own house, clean my own car, and many other chores. I personally have no use illegals. Also, I wouldn’t mind paying a few more bucks for my fruits and vegetables. Further, anyone who supports illegal immigration, give yourself a pat on your back, you are a modern day proponent of slavery. I bet you would have supported slavery in the 1850s and taken up arms against the union.

Hate Groups? wrote on Aug 6, 2007 7:33 AM:Go to the library and get a mexican/amercian dictionary and look up "LA RAZA". The Nazi/kkk and other kooks also think they are the master race. So please can we drop the racist/bigot comments?

fedup wrote on Aug 6, 2007 7:39 AM:well, illegal aliens are illegal and need to be deported as they are criminals whos only intent is to suck the freebies out of the US.whoever hires them is part of the problem!

Does this mean wrote on Aug 6, 2007 7:40 AM:me, a white guy get in line at the day labor sites with the illegals, and nobody hires me, then my attorney parked across the street with his camera can start suing americans who discriminate against a white guy who wants to make some extra money?

You people who hire wrote on Aug 6, 2007 8:03 AM:housekeepers every 3 weeks, are reporting the taxes I hope! And because you like to brag to your friends we know who you are. And if I have to pay taxes and fill out forms, so do you! Or you get reported!

Some business hire wrote on Aug 6, 2007 8:25 AM:illegals for painting at $8.00 an hour at 12 hours a day and no overtime. And then you are so stupid you ask why American Painters are upset. GET A LIFE!

Politically Correct wrote on Aug 6, 2007 8:31 AM:I am sure glad that our forefathers did not wait for the "feds" when they formed and started this country otherwise we would still be a colony. That was a national issue. This country does not belong to the Federal bureaucracy, nor the State bureaucracy, nor the City bureaucracy. It belongs to the Legal people of the nation. When the governments don't follow the laws that We the People pass by voting for our representatives then it is mandatory the citizens step up and demand enforcement. For all of those that believe this is a Federal issue, hasn't events in the past made you realize anytime you depend on your government you will be disappointed? We depended on the government to protect us against things like the USS Cole bombings, Embassy bombings, 9/11,and Katrina. We can't even depend on them to give us safe bridges to cross. So when it is time for citizens to step up and protect our country it is the right thing to do. If you want to keep your head buried in the sand by trying to justify why the illegals should be here and it is OK, your residence should be questioned. If you truly believe they should be here, move to Mexico and teach them how to come legally. Otherwise you are adding and abetting illegal activity and should be jail.

Ralph wrote on Aug 6, 2007 8:40 AM:A lot of the day workers are U.S. citizens, or have green cards. Folk are getting tired of these racists. Promoting their bigotry under the premise of 'Patriotism' is especially sickening. I've begun complaining to the managers at businesses where these 'parking lot Nazis' lurk.

Alfonso wrote on Aug 6, 2007 8:41 AM:It is not legal to hire an Illegal. It is legal to hire a day laborer. It is illegal to hire someone without I9's unless it is for "domestic labor IN a home", it does not say "at a home" or on private property, it says "IN". Hiring of LEGAL Day Laborers has NEVER been an issue except when problems are created by their gathering in numbers or WHERE they are gathering. Sifuentes did not print anything wrong per-say, he did not publish a complete article by addressing the questionable issues. It is interesting that the opportunities to resolve questions and eliminate misunderstandings in the law are NEVER addressed by the NCT. They feed on the controversy, as do the readers! Facts, all of them, Ed, not opinion and speculation.

To John wrote on Aug 6, 2007 8:43 AM:John, In Mexico there was a recent election that offered the people a real change and a chance to share the wealth more equitably. The US government backed the conservative candidate who stood for keeping things the way they are and was quick to recognize his government even while the election was being contested. America likes to protect the way things are in Mexico. The Mexicans with the power and the money went to school in our Ivy League schools and know our powerful and their corporate leaders and ours need each other.

To Politically Correct wrote on Aug 6, 2007 9:07 AM:I agree, thats why we have the 2nd amendment. I hope it doesn't have to go that far but everybody is upset with our government, the military, the national guard and not to mention border patrol. I believe the time is coming soon when we will all pick up guns and enforce the laws and imprision the politicans!

John wrote on Aug 6, 2007 9:10 AM:Great! that means I as a homeowner do not have to check for documents, that means I am not breaking the law when I hire one of this guys for help in my home. Now the Minutemen can stay out of my face when I pick up one of this guys.

cts wrote on Aug 6, 2007 9:44 AM:For all of your saying "it isn't illegal", you are still may be hiring an illegal alien. Do you feel good about that? They are here illegally. ILLEGALLY. Keep in mind that I'm not talking about the legal workers with green cards and citizenship. This "loophole" is a joke and should be closed NOW. Illegal aliens pay no taxes, suck the life out of public benefits and send billions of dollars back to their countries. How much longer can this country handle this crime spree?

Joanna wrote on Aug 6, 2007 9:51 AM:It's Illegal to hire illegal aliens!!!! What about that do you not understand!!

Vista_Parent wrote on Aug 6, 2007 10:21 AM:So I need a lot of yard work done at my house and I am willing to pay $10 an hour. If I go down to the site and ask everyone that is a legal citzen if they are intrested, would I be able to find the help I need? Would I be breaking any laws by hiring someone from the site? Do I have to run an ad in the paper? Dont get me wrong. I understand that illigel is illegal and I have no problem with that. I just need an alternative and I am not finding a lot of teenagers that are willing to do the work. Is there anyone that will do the work that an illegal will do for me?

To "John wrote on Aug 6, 2007 9:10 AM:" wrote on Aug 6, 2007 10:29 AM:Learn to read. You are breaking the law.

get real! wrote on Aug 6, 2007 10:53 AM:Women don't go to illegal hiring spots to hire someone to clean their house. Most have some kind of business that they want cheap labor for. It is against the law for illegal aliens to even be in this Country, much less to work here or get welfare or free services.

To Vista Parent wrote on Aug 6, 2007 10:58 AM:Sorry Vista Parent there is no one who will do the work these guys do! It is not illegal to hire these guys for sporatic, casual labor! If you feel better knowing they are here and can work in the U.S. I suppose you can ask them for proof, but according to the anti-immigrants group they are all here illegally and all their documents are false. Just another lie from the extremist. Go hire them and you will find they are friendly, respectful, honest, and hardworking. I hire them all the time and this is what I have learned.

Hey Josh, wrote on Aug 6, 2007 11:01 AM:We are not talking about immigrants. We are anti-illegal aliens. American Citizens go to the job site to apply for work Get it?

Yes John wrote on Aug 6, 2007 11:02 AM:The minutemen should stay out of your face when hiring these guys. Will they well that is another question, they probably will not because they don't understand yet that harassing people is just not right. They say they are all about the law but then they tromp on our rights. Go hire them and let the minutemen say what they wish. Let them video tape, photograph, yell and scream like children because all you are doing is exercising your right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

To Mary Beth, wrote on Aug 6, 2007 11:05 AM:Why don't you hire a Marine, they need the money, instead of an illegal alien lawbreaker?

To "Vista_Parent wrote on Aug 6, 2007 10:21 AM:" wrote on Aug 6, 2007 11:12 AM:What about your own kids? Or how about yourself??? What is it with you people who think that someone else should do your work for you? There are, obviously, some cases where this is not possible. In those cases, maybe home ownership should be reconsidered. As for the rest, get off your lazy butts and do some work yourself! You might actually lose a pound or two in the process. Imagine that!

L'll Bush wrote on Aug 6, 2007 11:12 AM:has already tried to pardon the illegal aliens.

unsure wrote on Aug 6, 2007 11:13 AM:I'm torn on this issue. I liked it when the Minutemen started out by staking out the border in the desert in their lawn chairs next to their beer coolers. I figured that couldn't bother anyone. Now they seem to like staking out North County day labor sites. I don't really mind this much either. Day labor sites are sporadic and temporary anyway. Let them get their anger out without really doing anything. But they better watch out if/when they start accosting people on the street and asking for their citizenship papers.

We need, wrote on Aug 6, 2007 11:16 AM:Shirley, perhaps you should give them a room in your house so they are not sleeping in overcrowded apartments or fouling the canyons.

Do not post. This is just a test wrote on Aug 6, 2007 11:18 AM:Test

To To Mary Beth wrote on Aug 6, 2007 11:25 AM:Read the new lately? Marines unfortunately are breaking laws also. Convictions for atrocities are happening practically everyday.

Write down all. wrote on Aug 6, 2007 11:26 AM:The license plate numbers then arrest them.

PedroG wrote on Aug 6, 2007 11:34 AM:To John: When I was a much younger man living in Mexico I did think about revolution. Occasionally I dream about it now but it won't happen. The reason it won't happen is that the US government and the government of Mexico conspire together to keep the status quo. The US likes cheap labor and Mexico likes US dollars that are sent back to Mexico. It is so much easier for us to come here than to die fighting in Mexico. Gun ownership is illegal in Mexico and that law is vigorously enforced. The lure of the US is just too great.

Fran, wrote on Aug 6, 2007 11:35 AM:I also clean my own house. I hire an American Citizen to mow my lawn. Everyone who hires an illegal alien is compounding the problem. My teenagers have worked in fast food, labor, and housework, as did I. Teens like to earn money. You can also Hire a Marine for jobs you can't do. How many more illegal aliens do you want breaking into our Country. I support anyone who tries to stop this invasion. The MM are working for the American worker. If Bush would do his job and secure the border we wouldn't need Citizens to help with this problem.

Bobby wrote on Aug 6, 2007 11:37 AM:Title 8 section 1324 of the United States immigration law code, "it is against the law to transport, encourage, harbor, illegal immigrants........ When the laws remain uninforced by the police, mayor, councilman, of your city, or the President, then according to existing U.S. immigration law, these people are in violation of their sworn oath to do their duty and are CRIMINALS--according to current immigration law. Not rocket science. The laws are written to protect Americans jobs, safety, and culture. But some citizens don't care. You will.

Jerimiah wrote on Aug 6, 2007 11:53 AM:One thing I found out is that the great majority of the day laborers will give you an honest day's work for their pay, unlike the bums who stand on the corner with a sign "Will work for food" but only want a hand-out. As far as taking away jobs from Americans, a few years ago when a bunch lost their jobs in Silicon Valley, I did not see a great exodus 75 miles south to the Salinas Valley to pick lettuce.

John wrote on Aug 6, 2007 12:08 PM:DANGER - Blogging about Illegals and standing in front of churches and hiring sites to protest illegal immigration is costing America millions in lost productivity. Get a job minute-heads!

Vatos! wrote on Aug 6, 2007 12:08 PM:Look, why don't you gringos move to Nevada and just give us back our land?

To write dow all wrote on Aug 6, 2007 12:17 PM:Yes, I wish they would arrest me when I hire one of these guys....what a great lawsuit that would make!!! I think I could screw the city and the Sheriff's department and unfortunately the taxpayers for lots of money. Please tell me what the charges would be? Lauren Mack from ICE says this " The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 prohibits people without legal documentation from working in the United States. It generally requires employers to verify their workers' immigration status, but there is an exception. The law does not include "casual employment by individuals who provide domestic services in a private home that is sporadic, irregular or intermittent," it states. So actually is not illegal to hire illegals. Who knew? Certainly not the anti-immigrant groups because they have been spreading the news that it is illegal to hire illegals when that is not true! What a bunch of liars! How immoral to lie but worse than that they have caused so much harm to these men with their lies.

Allan wrote on Aug 6, 2007 12:36 PM:Illegals are criminals and so are those who hire them. It is anything for a buck. The same employers who hire illegals would have worked with the NAZI's in WWII in Europe to get concentration camp victums as employees. Greed is always alive and the employers of illegals demonstrate 100% greed and 0% integrity. In this case they are hiring people who also have no morals and no integrity.

American woman wrote on Aug 6, 2007 12:37 PM:To Vista_parent: Please don't tell me your child [or children] are over 10 years old. So anyway, if you feel you REALLY need to hire someone, why not hire military folks? Or check out the local college bulletin boards? Then, at least if you end up with an illegal alien, he/she will be either helping our country or getting a little smarter than half the people posting here.

To Bobby wrote on Aug 6, 2007 12:48 PM:Hey, Bobby our elected official are sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution of United States against all foreign and domestic enemies. Our elected officials know they must uphold the 14th Amendment which states ANY PERSON in this jurisdiction is entitled to life, liberty, property and to be treated equally. So really Bob they are doing what we elected them to do. Protect and defend the Constitution!!! I agree its not rocket science. The laws are written to protect Americans jobs, safety, and culture. Culture? But the laws are written to protect us all!!! Read the 14th Amendment for yourself and then maybe just maybe you might learn something and maybe just maybe you yourself will begin to respect others as equals? Really it is not rocket science!

To American Woman wrote on Aug 6, 2007 12:54 PM:Once again let me ask, Have you not read the news lately? Marines unfortunately are breaking laws also, convictions for atrocities the are committing practically everyday. " May I ask were you looking in the mirror when you wrote this; " Then, at least if you end up with an illegal alien, he/she will be either helping our country or getting a little smarter than half the people posting here. "

To "To write dow all wrote on Aug 6, 2007 12:17 PM:" wrote on Aug 6, 2007 1:00 PM:Do you even understand what "domestic services" means? Obviously not.

To Vatos wrote on Aug 6, 2007 1:02 PM:Why don't YOU go back to your beloved land and take all your illegal friends with you. I'm really sick of seeing the neighborhoods going downhill. 8 cars in the front yard down the street from me with trash laying around. There is absolutely no respect being paid to neighbors. We gringos don't like living in filth and don't want to have to look at it either, we have pride in ourselves.

Allan your comment is disgusting beyond words wrote on Aug 6, 2007 1:04 PM:"In this case they are hiring people who also have no morals and no integrity." The only ones I belive have not morals and no integrity are the lying anti-immigrant groups who have been lying to the gullible American people. I am thankful that their lies have been squelched by the North County Times and the representative from Immigration Customs and Enforcement. I think her response is clear enough for us to realize that it is not illegal to hire these guys. What I think is the most disgusting and more closely resembles Nazi Germany in World War II is the racist attitude of the extremist groups who have attempted to lead the American people to believe all brown people are illegals. Now that is racism if I have ever heard it.

Pedro wrote on Aug 6, 2007 1:15 PM:The Reconquista is on! Viva La Raza! Our thanks to our friends in the Congress! And YOU people voted for them! HAHA!

Bobby wrote on Aug 6, 2007 1:28 PM:Sorry, when someone has entered a nation illegally, (just in case you need glasses) ILLEGALLY, the only "respect" they are entitled to is a bottle of water and a baloney sandwich and a trip back to where they came from on the fastest thing smokin. I believe you are a lawless person by your comments. You see, you mentioned something about respecting people, no, sorry, criminals do not deserve respect, first point, second point, these people having broken existing U.S. immigration law,(whether you or President Bush, the leader of the Democratic Party likes it or not) along with the people who illegally employ them. They are therefore involved in criminal actvity, which is the point of my post. The subject is not about "respect." Unless you would like to discuss the disrespect that people who break laws have for law abiding citizens, as they operate with document fraud, tax evasion,identity theft, and every other device that is needed to continue in their illegal activities. I dread to think how many diverse types of people you would like make equal to lawabiding citizes. Murderers, rapists, perhaps child molesters, drug dealers might not be too bad. Sorry friend, you seem to have one of those discredited 70's mindsets, that it is somehow noble, or makes a person better, or more spiritual, when they tolerate the intolerable. No,it makes most people disfunctional and angry, which is the case with so many liberals and progressives.

Guillermo wrote on Aug 6, 2007 1:40 PM:We would not enjoy the support we have now were it not for the 2006 election results. Thank you amigos. Alta California will be ours once again. There's no place like home for me and my compadres. Come North, Compadres! Come North!

Bobby wrote on Aug 6, 2007 1:40 PM:Cheating on your taxes in beneficial to you. Stealing stuff in stores is economical. Lying sometimes helps people get out of financial problems. Hiring illegal aliens, whom you under pay, under the table, helps you also. The problem is that all of these things screw the honest members of a society, who pay their taxes and work within the system. Afterall, what is crime, if it isn't people who simply work against the system. When employers underpay illegal aliens and force them to go and get the services Americans paid into for Americans, it is criminal. There is no upside for Americans. No money is saved by citizens, but the slumlords, employers of the illegal folks get rich. They pocket the money. Isn't that revelation what bothers most of you pro-lawbreakers. You aren't into altruism. Tell that BS to someone else. You're trying to pull the wool over honest taxpaying Americans eyes, but it's not working. Good. It's a sign that maybe there is hope for this nation, afterall, and we won't slip into the utter lawlessness of the third world.

Patriot wrote on Aug 6, 2007 1:40 PM:DANGER - Tolerating illegal immigration is costing America millions in taxpayer dollars and insurance premiums to supplement incomes of and provide education and health care to illegal immigrants and/or their children, and to subsidize the same who are uninsured drivers and hospital patients. Get a clue, people!

Bobby wrote on Aug 6, 2007 1:52 PM:Guillermo, is right. To his mind California, USA. is Alta California, and really belongs to Mexico. The lawless posters who are for illegal aliens, because it enriches them, are also right. So are the coyotes, who bring people across and abandon them, sometimes to die. They are also right. Funny, how so many people can feel they are just plain right. Isn't it?

Misleading info wrote on Aug 6, 2007 1:56 PM:Hasn’t anyone yet noticed the errors and misleading statements in this article written by the NCT writer who is well known for his pro-illegal bias? In one paragraph he states that there are an estimated 40,000 day laborers in California, and in the next paragraph he states that these make up only .02 percent of the states total work force. If that were true it would mean there were some 200 MILLION workers in the state. Obviously a major error. (There are only 300 million total human beings in the whole U.S.) Did he get the .02 percent number from his regular information source, C. Smith? Also misleading, and again apparently to minimize the problem, are his numbers showing THOSE WHO HIRE day laborers as 51% private individuals, 43% contractors, and 3% companies. These statistics would be very different if they showed the numbers of DAY LABORERS hired by these three categories as obviously private individuals hire only a few compared to contractors and companies. The NTC should consider getting a different and less biased writer for these articles, or at least proof read them before publishing them.

To misleading info wrote on Aug 6, 2007 2:22 PM:You are a laugh riot!!! The only misleading statements I have heard are coming right out of the mouth of the anti-immigrant groups. I know it is difficult to have the truth thrown at you all at once but the fact still remains that it is not illegal to hire day laborers!! ... what is it going to take to get that through your thick skulls? I think the NC Times did get their information from several different sources for this article and just because you don't like what it says it does not make it untrue. All of you self-righteous, arrogant, pompous nativist should understand that your racist activities are coming to a screeching halt.

Allan wrote on Aug 6, 2007 2:24 PM:Contractors hire illegal aliens due to greed. Can there be any other reason?

Those who hire are pathetic wrote on Aug 6, 2007 2:43 PM:You know who you are. You keep talking about the fact that no one else will work for the wages that you offer. NO KIDDING! You're more interested in saving a buck than actually paying a decent wage to get work done that you are to lazy to do yourselves. Then you come in here and claim to be for these people. What a load! Exploitation is the name of the game and those of you who partake are simply pathetic.

Time is up wrote on Aug 6, 2007 2:43 PM:Social Security use to inform the employer and employee if the numbers don't match with the names on the cards. But now they give a copy of the letter to ICE! The employer has 60 days to get it resolved or fire the employee. This should of been done years ago!

To 2:22 pm post wrote on Aug 6, 2007 2:45 PM:It is not illegal to hire a day laborer. It is illegal to hire an illegal immigrant.

To Allan wrote on Aug 6, 2007 2:45 PM:I have lived in Vista for over 20 years, and I go to the day labor site to look for work. I have been going there for many years and I have never seen or been hired by a contractor. I have been hired to help people move, clean peoples yards, and garages. Private homeowners are the only ones hiring us. I am an American citizen. I work for a company during the week and go to the center on weekends to see if I can make some extra money. Sometimes when the minutesmen are there they call me names and say I am illegal. I showed them my prove and they say it is foney. I don't speak perfected english but I know how to say I am here legally. It is so bad that they go there and try to hurt us, becuase some of us are citizens, so of us are here legally.

Who says no one else will work for the wages we offer. wrote on Aug 6, 2007 2:50 PM:$10.00 bucks an hour is hardly low wages. I pay these guys a fair wage to work for me. I do not exploit anyone! I am not lazy to do it myself I am handicapped and I can not do it myself. I know that I need the help and they need the work so if you think that is pathetic, well you know it's all about free speech. I have mine and you have yours.

OBSERVATION wrote on Aug 6, 2007 3:05 PM:Today's blogs on the subect of illegal immigration hiring was a joke. The majority of illegal aliens are hired by companies, small and large. You have to go after the empoloyers with fines and jail time to stop the offering of jobs to illegals. But, that will not happen as businesses have lobbies in Congress and a friend in the President. So, the illegals will keep on coming until the job market dries up.

Exactly! wrote on Aug 6, 2007 3:14 PM:Those who hire are pathetic wrote on Aug 6, 2007 2:43 PM: Spot on! Exploitation of these people is what is feeding this hiring frenzy. These people work for peanuts and live like (or worse than) dogs. No one really cares about them, only what they can do for a pittance.

Any takers? wrote on Aug 6, 2007 3:23 PM:Who says no one else will work for the wages we offer. wrote on Aug 6, 2007 2:50 PM: So whom have you found besides illegals who will work for the $10.00? They are few and far between because it isn't enough. These people need to live on what they make... it isn't movie money. Yet they are asked to do back-breaking labor for it. Nice system. Exploit and turn a blind eye to their plight. Sure, you have a handicap, but that doesn't give you or anyone else the right to exploit these people.

Slab wrote on Aug 6, 2007 3:32 PM:It's our own fault. What happened to instilling a work ethic in our children? The hyper-sensitive left considers it child abuse! What was wrong with being a paper-boy? What was wrong with dragging your Dad's lawnmower around the neighborhood and mowing lawns for money? What was wrong with baby-sitting? This was somehow lost. LET'S TAKE IT BACK!!!

Misleading info wrote on Aug 6, 2007 3:38 PM:To 2:22 PM. Just do the math. If you can't, have a high school student help you with it. You can't even get day laborer and illegal laborer right. You can laugh and call others the nasty names but it doesn't change a thing.

None wrote on Aug 6, 2007 3:43 PM:I have owned homes in San Diego county for 20 years now. I have yet to hire day laborers for ANY task. Either I, my wife, or my children do all of the yard maintenance. Except for the concrete and drainage work, I even did all my own landscaping. Yes, it was hard work and it took many nights after work and weekends to complete it, but I know I didn't cheat anyone in the process. People seem to think that their time is too valuable to them these days and that kids won't do the work. Baloney! I agree with Slab... It our own fault. All I need to do is look down my street from 8:00am to 5:00pm any given Saturday to know we should be ashamed of ourselves.

RR wrote on Aug 6, 2007 3:45 PM:Who cares ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. This issue is tired. Let's put it to rest again. Then in another decade you fear mongers can raise it again to distract from the true issues at hand.

MeaTBonE wrote on Aug 6, 2007 3:51 PM:Great point, Slab! Are our kids too soft to work for their money? Are they so hooked to the video games that they can't get out and earn a buck? If our kids learned a little incentive from US, then maybe some of the jobs the ILLEGAL ALIENS are purportedly looking for would be taken. And then money would stay in OUR FAMILIES! Maybe kids keeping busy like that would have less time for DRUGS and GANGS!!! Great point, SLAB! The best on the whole page!!

Sad, Slab wrote on Aug 6, 2007 3:53 PM:You make a great point, and it's really sad what we've done. Tom Sawyer whitewashed the fence. What kid today would even know what that is?

JR wrote on Aug 6, 2007 4:01 PM:Bi-cultural societies don't work and usually end in spasms of bloody violence. Open a history book.

Roy wrote on Aug 6, 2007 4:13 PM:Unleash the military and march south and take over all of South America. No border no problema. Los Estados Unidos de Suro America.

Bobby wrote on Aug 6, 2007 4:31 PM:JR,"Bi-cultural societies don't work and usually end in spasms of bloody violence. Open a history book." I agree. But Americans are allowing a bi-cultural society, despite the examples of Yugoslavia, Iraq, and Canada with Quebec, were nothing but ill feelings and strife has been the rule. Even bloodshed, as JR wrote.

Please advise wrote on Aug 6, 2007 4:38 PM:Hey, I am looking to install a large pool in my yard. The ground is very rocky and hard to dig. I don’t want to pay a lot of money for labor so I was thinking of hiring one of these slaves, I mean day laborers, oops, I mean illegal-immigrants. How much do you think I should pay for a days worth of hard digging? $10-15 a day, does that sound fair? Please advise…..

Bobby wrote on Aug 6, 2007 4:47 PM:Sure, I advise you do like all of the other slave labor dealers. Pay as little as you can, and shift the burden of any social costs for their stay in this nation on its citizens. And then go and be very proud of your cleverness.

Sound Advise for Please advise! wrote on Aug 6, 2007 4:51 PM:Go to Labor Ready I hear tell they hire out slave labor and they make a hefty little profit. I would suggest that you pay them at least $15.00 an hour, but I surely don't think you should pay them more than you earn an hour!

to Please advise wrote on Aug 6, 2007 4:52 PM:You gotta be kidding, right? You can't hire anyone for 8 hours for $10-$15. Maybe a slave, but day laborers aren't slaves. They will laugh in your face. I'm not laughing at you or your attitude however. Go out and dig your own hole.

To please advise!! wrote on Aug 6, 2007 4:55 PM:Hey Call a Marine maybe they will work for that amount but day laborers don't work for less than $10.00 an hour. Try the student bulletin boards maybe they will work for $10-$15.00 a day but not the day laborers.

One piece of advise for Please advise wrote on Aug 6, 2007 4:56 PM:I had a pool put in by Sunset Pools, maybe you should call them. They did an excellent job. Although I did have the day laborers do all the landscaping around my pool and I paid them $10.00 an hour plus two meals.

Fact Checker wrote on Aug 6, 2007 5:25 PM:I called the ICE public affairs number for San Diego with a message for Lauren Mack. I asked, 'is it EVER legal to hire an illegal alien who is unauthorized to work in the US.' My opinion is no, based on a reasonable reading of 8 USC 1324a(a)(1)(B), and the Jenkins case. If she returns my call, I will post the response. ICE public affairs website: http://www.ice.gov/about/news/contact.htm

Only one thing to say to please advise wrote on Aug 6, 2007 5:33 PM:I had my pool put in by Blue Haven pools. It is beautiful and me and my family and friends throughly enjoy it. I paid to have this pool put in with my hard earned money. I did not use day laborers but if I had I would have paid them a fair wage. My advice to you is stop being such a jerk and pay fair wages. Why are you all complaining about this day labor site. Vista is now a Charter City right, you should all start now to protect prevailing wage or a few of you will wind up at that corner.

To Fact Checker wrote on Aug 6, 2007 5:34 PM:She already gave her response Mr. Fact Checker. Funny how you are all into checking the facts when the truth doesn't fit your agenda. HHHUUUMMMMM!!!!

Hey Folks, wrote on Aug 6, 2007 5:40 PM:Check out your home owner's or farm insurance policy. You are not covered if an illegal worker is hurt on your property. My policy states so. Translation, the illegal will end up with your property.

Illegals break U.S. laws wrote on Aug 6, 2007 5:48 PM:Lauren Mack a spokeswoman for I.C.E. said some day workers are breaking the law. These law breakers are in our country illegaly. They cut wages and take work from those who came here the right way. Claudia Smith of California Rural Legal Assistance Foundation does not recognize the difference between legal and illegal.

Illegals break U.S. laws wrote on Aug 6, 2007 6:03 PM:Lauren Mack spokeswoman with I.C.E. said some workers break the law. These law breakers are in our country illegaly and cutting wages for those who came the right way. Claudia Smith of the California Rural Legal Assistance League Foundation does not recognize the difference between legal and illegal.

Illegal to Aid and Abet wrote on Aug 6, 2007 6:06 PM:If the 'investigative reporter' who wrote this article would read his own paper, he would find reports and statistics that over 80% of these 'day laborers' are here illegally (Constructive Knowledge). He would also know that it is a Federal Offense to 'Aid and Abet' any illegal alien, regardless of their home country. Employing these known illegals for any reason (including domestic chores) is 'Aiding and Abeting', in violation of Federal Law. Therefore, Ms. Claudia Smith (and the writer of this article) can easily understand that, by promoting and condoning this illegal activity, they are in fact 'Aiding and Abeting, and are themselves violating Federal Law. Instead they should promote the hiring of our marines and servicemen (over 1,000 availabe postings each day)...instead of unhealthy, non-English speaking Illegal Aliens. Now let's go show some patriotism instead of anti-Americanism.

Regarding Edward Sifuentes wrote on Aug 6, 2007 6:07 PM:Mr. Sifuentes,like most reporters, is just trying to report the stories as well as he can. Minutemen and their ilk whine and blame him when the story doesn't come out exactly as they wish. It's partly a well-known tendency called "shooting the messenger", made worse by the immaturity of the immigrant-bashers and the fact that his name is Latino. It's yet more proof of the racism involved here.

Me wrote on Aug 6, 2007 6:15 PM:Save your breath, I found out first hand ICE-DOES NOTHING!!!!

American Mike wrote on Aug 6, 2007 6:16 PM:So now it appears liberals and illegal activist think that State law supersedes Federal law. Please tell that to the DEA next time they raid a California Legal Medical Marijuana Clinic. Please explain why one State law is correct, and the other is not? Please explain why illegal immigration is better for society than allowing something both citizens and voters have overwhelming supported, legal use and sale of medical marijuana? Let me answer it for you, it’s because Finestine, Boxer and other cronies from the Bay and Sacramento area want to ensure a cheep labor force for the businesses that pay to keep them in office. If corporations didn’t have illegals picking heads of lettuces, growers would have to raise the cost and develop more mechanized methods of harvest, or the employ of people whom are either citizens, or legally permitted to work in the United States. The increased cost would have to be passed along to the customer, and the markets would loose fixed price control over crops. Mexican growers would then have the advantage and flood the market with inexpensive (and typically contaminated) lettuce, putting the Finestine-Boxer duo at odds with the very businesses that keep them in office. Clinton already saw to it that trucking produce to the United States wouldn’t be an issue. No one, not even the Federal Government wants to mess around with the world’s third largest economy. On the other hand, legalizing marijuana would have catastrophic effects on the Mexican economy, enough so where Mexico would likely invoke sanctions against the United States for destabilizing their economy. This, unlike illegals being a “border only” problem, would be a National issue for United States businesses that took American jobs down there years ago. That’s something neither the Democrats nor Republicans want. So to all you liberal, Latino or illegal activist, this isn’t about racism, or hate. It’s about big business driving the American middle class into the dirt. It’s about taxing the working class of Americans unfairly to support their special interest, and using illegal immigration to do so. The United States isn’t the only country in the world experiencing floods of illegal immigrants, however, as a country, the United States Government does the least of all to prevent it. That’s what we, as Americans, distaste so much about the reality of the subject.

It says something wrote on Aug 6, 2007 6:22 PM:that the alien problem has gotten so bad that this is even an issue

brenda wrote on Aug 6, 2007 7:08 PM: Well the bottom line is the American people spoke "No Amnesty"

Please advise wrote on Aug 6, 2007 7:20 PM:I thank all of you for your priceless advice. I think I will dig it myself, maybe enlist the help of kids in the neighborhood. Why would I pay an illegal $10 an hour? If he were in Mexico he wouldn’t earn that in a year.

WHEN ALL ELSE FAILS LIE, LIE, AND LIE AGAIN wrote on Aug 6, 2007 9:45 PM:... When will you people stop!!!! Hey Folks, wrote on Aug 6, 2007 5:40 PM: " Check out your home owner's or farm insurance policy. You are not covered if an illegal worker is hurt on your property. My policy states so. Translation, the illegal will end up with your property. " All homeowners, renters and farm insurance policies cover you for liability and medical payments. They even have Workers Compensation coverage... If you carry insurance on your property there is no such exclusion. I am an insurance agent and I would not sell my clients a policy with such an exclusion.

Patriot wrote on Aug 7, 2007 8:10 AM:It seems the most important thing is money. As long as my homeowner's insurance protects me from liablility, and I can save a buck on work around the house, there is nothing else that I need to take into consideration. Nothing immoral about hiring someone who entered my country illegally and consumes taxpayer services for his family as long as MY FAMILY can get a few bucks back in reduced labor costs?

misleading info? wrote on Aug 7, 2007 10:33 AM:Is it illegal to be here illegally? A yes or no answer will suffice.

J.W. wrote on Aug 7, 2007 10:40 AM:Some Marines have broke the law. Most work hard and risk their lives when sent to the hell hole of Iraq. Every illegal alien broke the law to get here, and many break more laws once they are here.

Fran, wrote on Aug 7, 2007 10:57 AM:To slab, I am a Democrat I worked as a teenager, my children work at many different types of jobs. We are neither lazy or spoiled. We don't hire illegal aliens. We are a strong family with good values. One of those values is not to exploit people. Another value is not to attack a Country that did not harm us, and kill thousands of innocent women and children. Bush has left the border wide open so his wealthy corporate donors could exploit people to make their enormous bonuses. Bush is responsible for the massive illegal alien invasion and the illegal war in Iraq. I think he is a "rightie".

Bobby wrote on Aug 7, 2007 1:04 PM:Brenda, yes the American people spoke, "No Amnesty", but it does not matter to the rich and influential like the Kennedys, Pelosi's and Bush's. The border is wide open, millions are coming in every year, and this is the plan. Amnesty, the SPP, and all the rest are going to be moot issues, because once there are enough people here who speak Spanish and refuse to speak English, what will we have? Well, a greater Narco State,(Mexico) with all of the attendant drug rings, crime, and corruption. Was it the Democrats that said "it takes a village"--for the Children. What a farce they are. They can't give enough of Americans resources and tax money to illegal aliens fast enough.

to Fran wrote on Aug 7, 2007 1:24 PM:What America do you live in? My America did not attack a Country that did not harm us, nor did it kill thousands of innocent women and children. There have been several presidents and both political parties in power since the illegal immigration "waves" began. I would say the Congress and Senate are responsible more than any president. My America took the battle against those who attacked us to one country and to a second country who defied over 13 UN resolutions to allow inspections that would have precluded WMD's. The intelligence that fooled America also fooled several of our allied Nations currently helping in Iraq. The point being, nobody went after women and children. We went after Saddam (who did massacre women and children) and WMD's comprised of gas (which was used to kill many thousands by Saddam, funny how we thought he might have more) and nuclear technology. Your insinuations that America attacks countries at will and kills women and children is spoken/written in an inciteful and unpatriotic if not treasonable manner. You sound like one of the terrorists we are looking for. Disagreement with our government is one thing, trashing it because our leadership has made mistakes is political, disloyal and emboldening to those who do wish us dead. The words you used are verbatim from Terrorist websites around the world. Why would you mimic our enemies instead of our allies? Democrat logic?

Vista_Parent wrote on Aug 7, 2007 2:34 PM:So again I say that I want to hire someone legally for $10 an hour to do yard work and I get blasted? What for? Look in the paper. $10 an hour is above minimum wage, a receptionist job will start you out as that and this is part time. If I do not have the time to do the job and I want to PAY someone to do it how does that make me a bad parent??? You don't know my kids, my situation or anything about me and for the comments to be so ridiculous is just unimmaginable. This is simple supply & demand, give & take. And maybe the problem isnt that I want to pay someone to cut my grass, maybe the problem is that YOUR kids dont need the money either!

Bobby wrote on Aug 7, 2007 3:13 PM:Vista Parent are you willing to allow government aid for all people, not just illegal aliens, who work for ten dollars an hour. Are you willing to have your taxes raised so that all people working for ten dollars an hour can get state aid like illegal aliens do that you hire for ten dollars and hour?

Vista_Parent wrote on Aug 7, 2007 4:55 PM:Bobby- Give Me a Break! It is a yard! I dont care if a 15 year old cuts it. Is you kid willing to do it? I didnt cause the break in the system and I am not contributing to it. If there was a young person that wanted to do it, I would let them regardless. I dont see a lot of teenagers waiting down at the site to take the jobs and I havent gotten any phone numbers from any of you guys on the blog.

Bobby wrote on Aug 7, 2007 6:28 PM:Hey, Vista Parent, I am not trying to play gottcha or anything, I am just saying that while everyones complaining, everyone is helping it along, just a little more, aren't they? There was a guy in my area, white, about 50(I'm not kidding) and he cut peoples grass as a second job and charged no more than the illegal lawn guy. The same goes for painting. There are legal folks who do painting and do not charge any more for it. Has anyone checked just what the clowns who so often employ illegals charge? The same as citizens. He is just pocketing the difference and not paying the illegal folks a decent wage. I've seen it over and over. Then the illegal guy with a wife applies for some type of state aid, and in California you know he gets it. In the meantime, no one cares about language, culture, customs, or borders--all going to h-ll. We will get what we deserve, won't we, when we are inundated with Mexican drug rings, gangs, and criminals that are already here and still coming. Que Sera,Sera, whatever will be will be, right?

nora wrote on Aug 8, 2007 7:38 AM:To the little old lady who hires them for small jobs around her house. Why don't you hire a marine? They are willing and able to do the jobs you need done.

Drudge report wrote on Aug 8, 2007 4:24 PM:pulled the article published today "Government to crack down on hiring of illegal immigrants" but you can see it on the San Jose Mercury News. The Government is to announce this week.

Reardon wrote on Aug 8, 2007 6:08 PM:The Drudge Report referenced a New York Times article...the article said that Social Security was going to send out 150,000 letters this week telling corporations that up to 8 million Social Security numbers of their employees do not match. They may not match because of clerical errors, or people who have remarried and not reported -- or it could be that the documentation is forged. Employers will have a short time to clarify. My problem is that the Social Security Administration has had this information for years -- decades, in fact.

Bobby wrote on Aug 9, 2007 2:35 PM:What other benefits should illegal aliens get, are questions frequently asked by Ted Kennedy, Linday Graham, and Dianne Feinstein, to name a few of our "representatives". Well, here's one I heard a talk show host suggest. "A bottle of water and a baloney sandwich, and a trip(one way)on the fastest thing smokin headin south.

Bruce wrote on Aug 9, 2007 7:25 PM:Are you kidding me? This is America right? The land of the free? If these people are willing to stand at these sites and look for a job and they are getting hired, great! at least they're not standing on street corners with a cardboard sign asking for a free handout. I see alot of caucasion men and women begging for free money. The day laborer is looking for work, not a handout, I myself have hired them to do work, and they are hard working decent,respectful people. The people standing on the street corners begging for a handout have the nerve to get mad if they're not handed a buck. As for the minutemen, these people are a joke, instead of harassing hard working people they should be at the welfare office pushing their own people to get out and work, and stop asking for free money at our expense ( taxes ).

Bobby wrote on Aug 9, 2007 10:40 PM:Bruce , your the joke. Americans are tired of paying taxes through the nose, emergency rooms and hospitals closing, social services paid into by Americans for Americans--drained by illegal aliens. We haven't even yet gotten to document fraud, tax evasion and identity theft. Give me a break. Last comment, wake up Bruce. The minutemen/women are the only people with boots on the ground, representing American citizens, against a corrupt government who won't even respect Americas borders, but continuously talk about terrorism. Don't you get it?

Reardon wrote on Aug 10, 2007 6:40 AM:Bruce -- I don't even KNOW a Minuteman, but you have to admit they have kept this issue alive in the press. There is nothing wrong with getting both our own citizens, AND the illegal aliens away from welfare but the percentages are certainly different. Few of our citizens are on welfare, but almost all illegal alien families consume in education and medical far, far more than they produce in taxes. Not only are they paid under the table in large measure, but they send $25 BILLION of their un-taxed money back to their native country. The problem is not the "hard-working" illegal immigrant, it is their families who crowd our schools and emergency rooms, join gangs, and have turned our citizen education in California into the second or third WORST national test scores. In the cost/benefit analysis, the costs are too high for the benefits derived.

Fran , wrote on Aug 10, 2007 12:55 PM:We did attack a Country that did not attack us or had the means to attack us. Almost everyone knows that. Sure Iraq had a bad leader as do many other Countries in the Mid East and elsewhere. The Iraqi people have said they are worse off now. Thousands of innocent Iraqi innocent women and children have died since Bush invaded that Country. Thousands of our brave young people have been killed or maimed in Bush's war. The American people and most of the world were with us to go after Osama bin Laden, you know the person who attacked us on 9/11. Remember Bush's words "Dead or alive", well he doesn't think about him much anymore. America doesn't attack Countries that did not harm us, Bush does. Those of us who know the facts and want our kids out of that Iraq hell hole are the true patriots.

Fran, wrote on Aug 10, 2007 1:01 PM:The President's job is to protect America from invasion of a foreign Country. Bush has not done so. In fact he has supported an open border policy with his good friend Vicente Fox. Bush with his Republican House and Senate could have closed the border at any time during the last seven years, and allowed law enforcement to do their job to uphold the laws of the land. He did not!

Bobby wrote on Aug 10, 2007 3:06 PM:Fran, Democrats could help, along with the 100 or so republicans that have essentially ditched Bush on immigration matters, but, alas,they won't. Nancy Pelosi, Diane Feinstein, and Barbara Boxer, in California alone, could make quite a statement in supporting the control of the drug infested southern border. The fact is, they do not care about the children or any other American.

Fran , wrote on Aug 10, 2007 9:08 PM:Actually many Democrats are signing on for border security. They no longer support amnesty. Boxer and Feinstein signed the bill to stop the hiring of illegal aliens. There are Democrats and Republicans who are listening to the people. Bush will never change his mind, he never does. We should all work together to stop the illegal alien invasion..It is too important to us to not have this partisan fight. I email or call Bush, Pelosi, Gonzo, Richardson, Cheney, Rove, Graham, and all our Representatives to close the border. Catch and deport.

Vista wrote on Aug 10, 2007 10:39 PM:Employers who do not want to pay a living wage are against the crack down of their illegal alien workforce.

Bobby wrote on Aug 11, 2007 12:56 PM:Fran, I"ll believe you for now, but I find it falling down shocking, that Boxer and Feinstein signed a bill to stop the hiring of illegal aliens, when they have been the enablers of illegal immigration into California for the last, I think 15years, since 92. I have read that Feinstein is up to her neck in corruption charges. True or not I don't know. Anyway,Fran,thanks for caring about California and the U.S.

Amnesty is necessary wrote on Aug 12, 2007 3:59 PM:AMNESTY NOW!!! LEGALIZE DON'T CRIMINALIZE!!!

U.S. Citizen wrote on Aug 12, 2007 10:11 PM:Following the law of the land is necessary. No amnesty!

PedroG wrote on Aug 13, 2007 8:56 PM:With amnesty we will be following the law of the land. The solution to too many illegals is amnesty. Then there will be no more illegals and we can all go about our business and stop bickering back and forth. Wouldn't it be nice to stop worrying about illegals and enjoy life?

Stop Importing Crime wrote on Aug 14, 2007 11:12 PM:Thank God for the Minutemen! The number of noncitizens in federal prisons has increased 570% in 15 years (1985 - 2000)! U.S. Department of Justice Bureau of Justice Statistics http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/iofcjs00.pdf

meowmeow wrote on Sep 20, 2007 11:08 AM:hey guys day laborers are a problem they go to work for small companies without papers. the companies don't pay workers comp but the day laborer will file a law suit because he alleges he got hurt. the illegals attorney says he doesn't have to be legal to file a claim. Then he gets paid and goes to the doctors that the attorney suggest which just so happens is the friend of the attorney and moves on to another job under another name. they say they only want to work but they have left their families in Mexico and then they get married or live with someone here making babies all over the place and then leave the women. Who ends of paying for these kids AMERICANS. Just stop the hiring of all illegals period whether they are day laborers or not. Thank God for ICE and the raids even God knows that it is wrong to break the laws.