otto wrote on Aug 20, 2007 10:50 PM:who drinks tapwater?

magicat wrote on Aug 20, 2007 11:33 PM:I drink water filtered with a faucet-mounted filter because I don't like the taste of chlorine. (Bottled water is too expensive). Then, I brush my teeth with a fluoride toothpaste. I wish that either my water was fluoridated or that fluoride toothpaste was available when I was a kid. If so, I believe I would have had fewer cavities. Comment on poisons. It's a matter of dosage. Anything--including water--is poisonous if ingested in sufficient quantity.

Fool on the Hill wrote on Aug 21, 2007 1:25 AM:I prefer to make my own decisions on medications. I don't have a prescription for fluoride. I DO NOT trust politicians to make these decisions for me even if 3 out of 5 politicians recommend fluoride. I don't vote for people who are this presumptuous. This makes me angry. Angry people vote and angry people remember.

NYSCOF wrote on Aug 21, 2007 3:06 AM:If reporters continue to take Dr. Nelson's word for the value of fluoridation, you'll never read the truth. The chemicals used for fluoridation are waste products of phosphate fertilizer manufacturing and are regulated by the National Sanitation Foundation. The NSF's fluoride fact sheet clearly indicates that fluoridation chemicals are allowed to contain trace amounts of lead, arsenic and other toxins. See:http://www.nsf.org/business/water_distribution/pdf/NSF_Fact_Sheet.pdf The pictures Dr. Nelson held up are not of fluoride deficient children but of dentist-deficient children. Who would let their child live like that if they could have found a dentist to treat this advanced disease. 80% of dentists refuse to treat Medicaid patients. A 12-year old Maryland boy recently died from untreated tooth decay after over 20 dentists refused him. There is absolutely no evidence that any American is, or ever was, fluoride deficient. Fluoride is neither a nutrient nor essential to healthy teeth. In fact, according to the U.S. Surgeon General, too much fluoride can actually cause teeth to decay. So was that picture of a child who was fluoride overdosed. Who knows. Dr. Nelson clearly used the picture to imply that fact. U.S. School children are already fluoride-overdosed. From 1/3 to 1/2 of them have dental fluorosis - a clear sign of fluoride overdose. Rampant decay is happening more often in our fluoridated U.S. cities. Clearly lack of fluoride is not an issue in fluoride-saturated America. Besides a California study, which Nelson won't tell you about, shows that children in fluoridated portions of California actually have more tooth decay.

Danny wrote on Aug 21, 2007 3:31 AM:George L. Waldbott, the MD hailed as a life-saver in the fifties for alerting health authorities to penicillin allergy was ignored, then blackballed and slanderously vilified when he observed and reported the same truth re fluoride. Historically, the fluoridation theory was nothing more than a WW2 military/industrial camouflage for the (now) infamous "Manhattan Project" ---the research/development of the Atomic bomb--- which, without their fully-informed consent, used the entire populations of Grand Rapids, Michigan and Newburgh, NY as "test animals" to determine whether and to what degree radioactive fluorine-containing wastes (fluorides) could be tolerated when diluted by disposal (recycled) into a public's water system. Now that the A-bomb is no longer significant to U.S. national security, examining recently declassified WW2 documents relating to the Manhattan Project should precede any fluoridation advocacy. I am double-blind tested "toxic/allergic to fluorine-bearing compounds (fluorides)." I recommend reading "FLUORIDE THE AGING FACTOR," c 1993 by my friend, the late John Yiamouyiannis, PhD (biochemistry) as well as "THE FLUORIDE DECEPTION," c 2004 by award-winning investigative reporter, Christopher Bryson, former BBC TV producer.

quinnie wrote on Aug 21, 2007 5:25 AM:I am allergic to flouride. Pectin and Flouride make my mouth swell and bleed. thanks!!! and to "who drinks tapwater?" better check for the words "municipal source" on that next bottle of water...

Doc wrote on Aug 21, 2007 5:29 AM:Medication??? C'mon, drop that tired old argument. It went out with fluoridation characterized as a Communist plot (no kidding folks) by critics in search of an issue, seemingly any issue. Californians are usually out front in health issues. instead they're way behind the curve on this one.

GEt refillable bottled water wrote on Aug 21, 2007 7:38 AM:I buy my water at a machine, pure, tasty and cheap, 25 cents a gallon. You will not catch me drinking that swill coming out of the tap

Doug C. wrote on Aug 21, 2007 8:35 AM:The American Dental Association and Centers for Disease Control now advise parents not to use fluoridated tap water to make baby formula. The less expensive forms of baby formula are dry powder which parents add water to. At the meeting I asked if there would be a specific warning about that for MWD customers. A board member responded in a round about way that they will only do what the law requires. In other words, they will not warn parents of this potential hazard. Why no warning? Admitting that fluoridation is not safe and effective for everybody does not promote the cause of fluoridation. For many years the ADA & CDC were aware of scientific reports that fluoridated formula was a bad idea. These reports and studies were from top level dental research sciientist who supported fluoridation. The ADA & CDC only made statements on fluoridated formula this year because the FDA came out with a policy first. The FDA said that fluoridated bottled water could not be marketed as good for infants. After that came out, the CDC & ADA were forced to admit it or be in a situation where one federal agency disagrees with another federal agency on an important health issue.

quinnie wrote on Aug 21, 2007 10:26 AM:GEt had better take a peek behind those water machines...

Hmmmm..... wrote on Aug 21, 2007 10:57 AM:This creates a very unacceptable waste product. What are they going to do with that? I do not want flouride in my water- toothpastes cover the dentistry problem very well. And hopefully moms will quit giving their kids bottles at night and sugary food and drinks. Problem solved. No waste product to deal with.

V of Reason wrote on Aug 21, 2007 11:23 AM:It might be a good idea to get background information (from reliable sources) on water supply and water quality. Taste does not relate to quality. GEt should not lonely look behind the machine but inside as well.

Concerned-1 wrote on Aug 21, 2007 1:22 PM:I'm confused. I never heard anything but good things about floride. If it's so bad, why is MET putting it in the water? The only thing that makes any sense in this article is the guy who said:"there's a lot of misinformation out there." So what else is new?

to: quinnie wrote on Aug 21, 2007 3:16 PM:We all know where the water comes from, but it is filtered VERY WELL. Taste is related to quality, it is called flavor. The well is monitored by the state, and the results published by the City of OCeanside, I read it every year (unlike bottled water which you are clueless as to the origin) I would rather have my water filtered and cleaned in 7 steps rather than trust some funky one stage filter on the tap, that water has come through decades old pipes of dubious origin. Signed GEt

Problem with flouride wrote on Aug 21, 2007 3:18 PM:it is true , it is naturally occurring, but in nowhere near the levels they want to add it. It is another chemical in the witches brew that we eat, drink and breathe everyday. The more we reduce these toxic chemicals in our daily life the more we will reduce the epedemic of cancer in our society.

NO Flouride- wrote on Aug 21, 2007 6:48 PM:Candy and soda cause dental decay. Poor dental hygiene- not brushing and flossing-cause teeth to rot. IF I WANT FLOURIDE I WILL BUY IT! I am 73 and have all my teeth-so I do not want flourid forced into my body as I drink alot of faucet water! So Escondido has flouride- I bet they still have cavaties! My father in law died at 92 and he had all his teeth and he used well water-and no flouride! If I want flouride I will buy it in a mouthwash-otherwise do not put in my water!

Look It Up- wrote on Aug 21, 2007 7:20 PM: Most Americans are unaware of the dangers of ingesting fluoride. Most dentists, physicians and scientists are unaware of the dangers of fluoride and water fluoridation. opposition to fluoridation have been suppressed, since 1950 when the U.S. Public Health Service first endorsed fluoridation. Facts About Flouride So, what are some of the facts about fluoride? According to the handbook, Clinical Toxicology of Commercial Products, fluoride is more poisonous than lead and just slightly less poisonous than arsenic. It is a cumulative poison that accumulates in bone over the years. According to the Physicians Desk Reference, "in hypersensitive individuals, fluorides occasionally cause skin eruptions such as atopic dermatitis, eczema, or urticaria. Gastric distress, headache, and weakness have also been reported. These hypersensitive reactions usually disappear promptly after discontinuation of the fluoride." From 1990 to 1992, the Journal of the American Medical Association published three separate articles linking increased hip fracture rates to fluoride in the water. In the March 22, 1990 issue of the New England Journal of Medicine, Mayo Clinic researchers reported that fluoride treatment of osteoporosis increased hip fracture rate and bone fragility.

Educate Yourself wrote on Aug 22, 2007 12:26 AM:magicat wrote on Aug 20, 2007 11:33 PM "It's a matter of dosage. Anything--including water--is poisonous if ingested in sufficient quantity. " A Not so funny thing about toothpaste is if you weight out how much you use of your toothpaste and take the percentage by weight, you will be around the a milligram or 1 ppm. The amount of fluoride they want to but in the water per liter. Now look on the toothpaste tube and read it :} Also Almost every food and Beverage we consume contains Fluoirde. So, it is about quantity and we are ingesting too much already.

It's ALL wrote on Aug 22, 2007 5:17 AM:A governement conspriacy to make all of us dependent on the Republicans! They first make us sick, make our teeth fall out, then they sell us on the expensive cure! This is nothing more then government terrorism! Yak, Yak, Yak, Blah, Blah, Blah!!!

joe wrote on Aug 22, 2007 9:20 AM:Fluoride naturally occurs in many municipal water supplies at the exact same levels that are added in other water supplies. The entire Las Vegas Valley and parts of LA recieve water that NATURALLY contains about 1 to 1.2 ppm. It has been this way for decades. Many natural systems in Texas and Oklahoma have levels higher than that. People have been drinking this water for decades. These people are just fine. No higher incidents of bone disorders or any other disease is evident in these populations. I am surprised that this fact is never brought up in the fluoride debates. As for the CDC report, here are exerps: "mixing powdered or liquid infant formula concentrate with fluoridated water on a regular basis may increase the chance of a child developing the faint white markings of very mild or mild enamel fluorosis." "Typically, very mild or mild fluorosis is barely noticeable, if noticed at all." "CDC believes that community water fluoridation is safe and healthy and promotes its use for people of all ages." It's not the misinformation that is the problem, it is the willingness to believe it.

Patrick wrote on Aug 22, 2007 1:36 PM:According to the National Toxicology Program [found on the Flouride Action Network Web site], "the preponderance of evidence" from laboratory 'in vitro' studies indicates that fluoride is a mutagen (a compound that can cause genetic damage). - More cancer is all we need!

quinnie wrote on Aug 23, 2007 12:22 PM:how about we ban high fructose corn syrup etc and keep the flouride out of the water? point taken GEt. you seem more informed than most. I love it when people learn what "municipal source" means on their water bottles.

Freedom of Choice wrote on Sep 1, 2007 9:29 PM:If I want extra flouride in my body, I'll eat some toothpaste. If I want my kids to not have dental problems, I'll make sure they eat nutritious meals, lay off the sugar, and have their teeth checked on a regular basis. This may sound as if I'm over simplifying the matter, but it IS that simple. Let the people take responsibility for their health, and let the people decide if they want added chemicals in their drinking water, or not. Showing select photos of kids with serious dental problems, or citing studies that are skewed, is a scare tactic, not scientific proof that ingesting flouride has health benefits.

Ban high fructose corn syrup... wrote on Sep 1, 2007 9:34 PM:quinnie.... now THAT would surely solve a LOT of dental and health problems. But I doubt anyone would do that. It makes too much sense. It's in just about every food product, and most definitely in soft drinks.

Richard wrote on Oct 31, 2007 9:07 PM:Fluosilicic acid used to ?fluoridate? water is a hazardous waste corrosive, 35 times more toxic than natural calcium fluoride. Artificial fluoridation poisoned 300 Alaskans with one fatality (New Eng. J. Med., ?94) after a valve stuck open. Low dose effects in the absence of overfeeds include accumulation of fluoride into bone to thousands of ppm causing increased fracture rates with delayed healing (National Research Council 2006). Some people are hypersensitive to fluosilicic acid in their bathwater with severe skin reactions. Cavities aren't caused by lack of fluoride but poor dental hygiene. Good medicine treats the cause, with brushing, not the symptoms, with fluoride that accumulates into bone, compromising calcium homeostasis. Bones are our repository for blood calcium. Concentrated fluosilicic acid dissolves stainless steel, glass, metals and concrete. Dilute fluosilicic retains its corrosivity and perturbs stomach epithelium, where the elderly are most susceptible, whose mucosa turns over so slowly. Many EPA scientists wrote that fluoridation is the greatest fraud in U.S. history, and I concur.

Norm wrote on Nov 4, 2007 7:43 AM:The only thing that should come out of our water taps is water. This is one more example of Big Brother treating the public as children. Is there not an anti-fluoridation group in San Diego County to fight these fascist poison pushers?

Mitch wrote on Jul 12, 2008 11:41 AM:Fluoride is toxic second only to mercury when ingested. See the ADA's deception propaganda campaign about fluoridation ... Fluoride is good for killing bacteria if used topicaly, when ingested it is poison.
If you feel that you are not getting enough lead, mercury, flouride and other toxins in your diet, then by all means, drink fluoridated water. It's good for the Aluminum producers who make a profit from selling their toxic waste to the California water districts. Wake up people, there is a distinct disinformation effort in evidence in this very series of comments, anyone who cannot see it is blind and in denial of the evil that is being sold to foolish people who willingly choose to remain ignorant.
Read about Phyllis Mullenix, and her treatment by the ADA.