John wrote on Aug 20, 2007 8:53 PM:Re: Two reasons to object to evolution letters: There’s a third reason to object—the Creation Science anti-evolution pseudo-science content thereof. See “The short-order cooks of evolution”, Faith & Values Letters and comments, August 10.

To Don Swift wrote on Aug 20, 2007 11:27 PM:You are living in a fantasy world if you think U.S. citizens will ever have anything close to the level of health care that congress enjoys!

Little Old Lady from Escondido wrote on Aug 21, 2007 12:08 AM:Yawn! Irving is at it again! If we fail to believe as he does we, as he said in a previous letter, we have atheistic values. Irving seems to believe in a god that created this earth and put humans, particulary himself, here to tell us what he knows this god wants us to learn. Irving's god doesn't even deserve to capitalized when speaking of the real God. My God did not just create this earth, He created and has continues to create the entire universe for billions of years. Just think how marvelous that enough humans have evolved in intelligence to seek out the answers in both science and biology. My God did not create the earth 6000 years ago then stick a couple of humans here. He created this earth along with uncountable planets all over the universe in uncountable galaxies with or without the mechanics for life to evolve. And the most magnificant thing is that we are intelligent enough to seek out our origins without limiting ourselves to some ancient writer in Genesis whose intelligence had not yet evolved enough to know anything about science or biology. If my God was talking to that ancient writer I am sure he would have told him that only in time would humankind evolve and gain the intelligence to know. Then again, maybe the author of the creation story was told the truth but being human and full of foolish pride, like Irving, he decided to act like he knew more than God.

Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 6:35 AM:The new is reporting that USArmy medical records were found in the trash. Two things for sure, is that it wasn't Bill Clintons records because he ran from his duty and second, you can be sure it wasnt an xray of Clintons nasal septum, because he doesnt have one left. Yet the liberals praise Clinton for his acts, and bash Bush for his sobriety and Guard service

FINN wrote on Aug 21, 2007 6:51 AM:We don't need more quagmires OBAMA wants to go after the terrorists in Pakistan and Afghanistan. We should be there not in Iraq. OBAMA is not much different from GWB on the terrorist issue except for the desire to be on the right battlefield.

FINN wrote on Aug 21, 2007 6:56 AM:Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 6:35 AM You call his stint in the Guard a service. Could and would have been if his attendance record was so miserable. Chuck uses the same old Republican Conservative type tactic to which we have been accustomed. Deflect and attack. Doesn't matter if it is factual. Just keep hammering the same propaganda or view point. Sooner or later the people will accept it. After all, We are sooooooooooo stupiddddddd. Wake up people!

Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 7:39 AM:>>> OBAMA is not much different from GWB on the terrorist issue except for the desire to be on the right battlefield.>> Yea, Hussein Obama wants to invade an ally, and talk appeasement to Ahmadinajad and Chavez. Could there be a more pure liberal attitude.?

Ron wrote on Aug 21, 2007 7:45 AM:So your a far left kooker, you know the type.. MoveOn.. DailyKos kool-aid drinker and as tough as it might seem to work within the Democratic Party system, it's still preferable than going the third party way. But is it really? In some ways, I think 2006 spoiled them. What should be seen as a decades-long process to build a majority in Congress became "instant gratification" in their unexpected takeover of Congress. But there are still plenty of bad, corrupt Democrats in Congress that they need to weed out over the coming cycles. And not next year, but over decades. It took the conservative movement 30 years to takeover Congress. They expect it'll take them less, but still a long, long time to have an effective progressive takeover of Capitol Hill. Afterall, MoveOn backed Ned Lamont got whooped by Independent Sen. Joe Lieberman. Many of the new Democrats elected are Blue-Dog Democrats, a group of 44 moderates and conservatives. This group includeds recently elected Heath Shuler, Jon Tester, Jim Webb, and Harry Mitchell. So if your a kook left fringer type what does this say? It tells me the American people are not ready for your kind of politics, if ever. And certainly with the turning of Democrats towards the Iraq surge, caving on warrantless wire taps, watering-down the ethics bill, and clearly unable to bring any passable progressive legislation tells me, their so far out in left field, out of the mainstream... their gonna be there for quite awhile. certainly, with Hillary leading the polls, with Nancy Pelosi tied with Bush, Harry Reid tied with convicted felon Scooter Libby does not look good for them. If the plan is to get rid of moderate and conservative Democrats in a progressive takeover, how do they plan to win, if their progressive leadership can't get the job done? Or poll well with regular Americans? Even the Republicans in 1994 understood "The Big Tent" theory during the revolution. Apparently, some kind of purge will be attempted by the MoveOn, Daily Kos wing to purify the Democrat party. What will happen to the Shuler's, the Tester's, the Webb's? Nothing... Americans like middle of the road-types, like Joe Lieberman, and that's why Lamont lost.

Tony wrote on Aug 21, 2007 8:09 AM:I emigrated (legally) from the US to Australia 30 months ago and I'm amazed how people in the US have no understanding about Universal Health Care. The Australian system is magnificent. I see my family doctor on a moments notice and the cost to me is $5AUD and because I've already reached the maximum medical ependitures for the year, my prescriptions now cost me nothing. As a senior citizen it was $4.90AUD per scrip before. For non-seniors, presciptions cost $17. The way Aussie Medicare is funded is as follows, all working people are assessed 1% of their salary and that covers the cost of medical care for every resident in the country. You can continue to live in your ignorant world and continue to believe that Universal Health Care is terrible and still the fact that the the US rates 46th in the world for lifespan is way beyond the average US citizen's understanding.

TheWolf wrote on Aug 21, 2007 8:28 AM:Laurie Orr misunderstands male nature. Agressiveness is a two sided coin and one side is the criminal and the other the successful businessman, lawyer, doctor or engineer. It is no surprise that most of the nobel prizes in science, most politicians and most Foprtune 1000 businesses are headed by men and always will be. Women play the role of socializing negative male agressivesness.

To FINN wrote on Aug 21, 2007 8:32 AM:You don't think anyone but Ron and Mike A. give Chuck any credibility do you?

Roger wrote on Aug 21, 2007 8:33 AM:... Re: Bridge not built to handle wider freeway. Mr. Brian Solomich claims in his letter to the editor that "The widened Los Alamos bridge over Interstate 215 is great. But why didn't they make it wide enough underneath to accommodate a wider 215 freeway?" Well they did. Does he really think that Caltrans, the City of Murrieta and the design engineers would not be required to design the facility to accommodate the future freeway widening? Mr Solomich probably hasn't heard of tie-back walls which will be installed by Caltrans when the freeway is widened but then I'm sure he isn't aware of many of the considerations utilized when designing a freeway interchange. Rest assured Mr. Solomich we may well be a bunch of idiots but we did allow for the future freeway widening. Anyway he was certainly right about one thing - He doesn't get it.

Fuggetiboutit wrote on Aug 21, 2007 8:34 AM:Bypass Hillary and Obama altogether unless you want more of the same. Look into Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich for people who care more about this country than their own ratings.

Concerned-1 wrote on Aug 21, 2007 8:50 AM:This Elvira Arellano case has got me fired up. I abhor the terms racist and hate, however, I'm feeling these types of emotions when I see these activists on TV and in print demanding that we submit to their criminal activity. It is a crying shame what these people have done for race relations in Southern California. I fired off letters to Issa, Feinstein and Boxer this morning. I encourage anyone with similar views to join me.

Prisons wrote on Aug 21, 2007 8:59 AM:It is my understanding, Laurie Orr, that prisons are not “filled to capacity with guys who commit crimes fueled by "male aggressiveness,” but filled predominantly by people who have committed some victimless drug-related offense.

Up Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 9:01 AM:Keep up the good work Chuck. You're on a roll early today. I can hear conservatives cringing and liberals laughing all over north county. Election only a little over a year away. I only wish you had a bigger forum from which to spew. I still don't believe your real, because you are much too good to be true. We have no intention whatsoever of ignoring you or trying to change you. We need you. Don't you find it ironic how eager and willing the editor is to print all of your letters regardless of how vile and insulting? There is a reason for this Chuck. And it ain't because anyone takes you seriously.

wRONg again wrote on Aug 21, 2007 9:07 AM:Ron you're getting sloppy. Too aggressive and too defensive. That's what happens when you are losing. And you know you're losing and hence the grasping. Rule # 10: Avoid the unhappy and the unlucky. So either offer something constructive or keep up what you're doing and take the rest of the conservative filth(not the constructive conservatives) with you on the way down. And get out of the way of progress.

Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 9:25 AM:>>Look into Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich for people who care more about this country than their own ratings. >> LOL. These two, at the outside, might be able to operate a shoe store or laundry, or sell light bulbs. I want someone who can look Ahmadinijad, Putin, Chavez, etc in the eye and say "your days are numbered", instead of having them laugh hysterically

new here wrote on Aug 21, 2007 9:27 AM:Christianity has been called the religion of resentment because it appeals to those who feel "You may be on top now, you may be smarter and more well educated now but I will be in heaven laughing at you in hell for eternity". Irving Forbergs letter today is an example of that kind of thinking.

Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 9:37 AM:>>More minimum wage jobs>>> Minimum wage jobs are for people who want minimum wage jobs. It's a training wage. If you don't want to get trained, and you don't want to serve customers or do what the boss says, or get additional education so you can move up, too bad for you. My first job was a minimum wage job, and I didn't care if I got a raise or if I even got paid, because I made 8x in tips than I did in pay. I learned early that when I did more than I got paid to do, I would eventually get paid more for what I did--- A concept that is hateful to liberals. They'd rather whine about the minimum wage and do as little as possible to keep their job, and run to a lawyer if they didnt get paid for that 1/2 error on their time card.

Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 9:42 AM:>>>You don't think anyone but Ron and Mike A. give Chuck any credibility do you?>>> What make you even think I want credibility with radical left wing liberals, who can't survive without their daily marching points from Nancy Legosi, Harry Reid, Barney Fwank, Ted Kennedy, Dick Turbin, Wulfie Blitzer, Christianne Ammanpour and BinLaden

to Tony wrote on Aug 21, 2007 9:43 AM:Thanks very much for your post about health care in a civilized country. It's amazing how interesting facts are, don't you think? I am also amazed at how many Americans are so narcissistic and almost religious about American greatness that they simply (1) cannot believe that there are many places where some of life's challenges have been solved better than we've done; (2) have no interest in how anyone else in the world lives except to find either facts or myths that support their narrowminded views. In other words, like our fearlessly phony leader, they are pathologically incurious about the world. Thanks again for the good information. I spent some time in Australia myself and was surprised that it felt to me like the US in maybe the 1950s or '60s in its relative lack of consumerism and mania for advertising.

new here wrote on Aug 21, 2007 9:44 AM:Thanks Tony. I lived in Europe for several years and that was my experience with Universal Healthcare too. The bloggers here who oppose it have totally bought the junk that Big Pharma and Big Insuro put out. I think they're mostly old guys on Medicare which is kind of inronic since that is a type of universal healthcare.

new here wrote on Aug 21, 2007 9:48 AM:Reported today: Incomes have declined 1% from 2000 to 2005. The unease about the economy seems to be born out in the statistics. This economy has not raised all boats, only the yachts. But I guess if you're a government pensioner you could care less.

Curious wrote on Aug 21, 2007 9:54 AM:Does Rush also misspell his "theirs", "they'res" and "theres"?

Ron wrote on Aug 21, 2007 9:55 AM:You know, it was not that long ago the press actually reported that "Men & Women are actually different?!" Now, LAURIE ORR may not have read that particular article, but please let me summerize. From birth, men and women have very, different biologys. Excluding obvious plumbing differences, chemically they are almost opposites. Nature has seen to it, that particular hormones (testosterone & estrogen) relate directly to different skills, behaviors, and physical strength. Men evolved as protectors, women as nurturers. Both are needed and beneficial to our society. But I tend to agree with Dane Joseph, that what some extreme feminists want means that America needs to act more and more feminine. The perception that America must be "liked by other countries", so instead of using our military to kill people and break things, we use it as a glorified Meals on Wheels. Resulting in the castration of our military. Let the military do what they do...fight bad guys and protect us. This approach is also advocated to describe how femininist Americans would deal with domestic policy. Instead of dealing with facts and statistics to set policy, we use what makes people FEEL good. If we would just look at the facts both here and in Iraq our political solutions would be totally different. If you compare our generation to the generation from World War II we do act like little girls. In short, chickification.

FINN wrote on Aug 21, 2007 9:58 AM:Ron wrote on Aug 21, 2007 7:45 AM:I noticed that a few of the bloggers state that you are a cut and past man. Is this a blog a cut and paste job?

chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 10:00 AM:>>I can hear conservatives cringing and liberals laughing >>> Yea, all 12 of them who use this board

Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 10:08 AM:>>>Rule # 10: Avoid the unhappy and the unlucky>>> In other words, take you head out of the sand, have your triple latte and croissant at Starbucks, and run back and jam your head back in the sand, and pretend all is well, as 20 more Islamic bombs go off in markets all over the world.

Ron wrote on Aug 21, 2007 10:18 AM:I'm with GERALD REASTER on guns. You know... the last time I checked with the lib's on guns, anyone who wanted a gun was considered by them a nutter. Take the emotion out of gun debate, and stop limiting our rights under the Constitution. Vote Conservative!

Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 10:33 AM: >>>Christianity has been called the religion of resentment >>> I prefer to call it a religion of morality and self-responsibility. What could be more hateful to a liberal than concepts like: You shall not lie, you shall not steal, you shall not kill, you shall not covet, you shall honor your parents, you shall not commit adultery, etc. Thats why liberals hate Christianity, they hate the concept of having to live morally and being accountable for doing so. And heaven forbid, should these concepts ever permeate the public schools

Ron wrote on Aug 21, 2007 10:35 AM:Yeah FINN, from time to time I find something on the web I find so strikingly truthful, I re-post it here. Thanks for reminding me.... Those of you liberals out there, I know you're out there, and I know you're battered. You are constantly upset. You're angry. The people you've been voting for, when they win, the problems don't go away. You don't have health insurance; you don't have this; you don't have that; destroying the planet, da-da-da. It's just miserable out there. Yet you keep voting for the same people and you end up being miserable. The cycle repeats. It's like Battered Wife Syndrome. This is Battered Liberal Syndrome. You get sweet talked, and then you get clobbered again. Then they sweet talk you again, and they come on to you, and they assure you it's going to be okay, and then you get clobbered again. How much verbal abuse are you liberals going to continue to take? Not from me, but from your own elected officials? How much psychological abuse do you think you've suffered? And why do you continue to take it? When will you finally say, "Enough. I'm through being a battered liberal?" How long will you accept the unacceptable? How long will you tolerate the intolerable? Well, I know it's not that easy. Change is always hard, because change is new. I know it's not that easy. A lot of people develop a personality trait where they just like being battered, if for no other reason than they get some attention. But Battered Liberal Syndrome is a serious problem, and it has been for three-quarters of a century. It's a deep, dark secret, Battered Liberal Syndrome, where shame trumps the necessary cry for help. Battered Liberal Syndrome, accepting the promises on Election Day, and then neglect until the next election cycle, where the promises come again, and the promises are unmet. Promises on Election Day, broken promises, sadness and neglect until the next election. But there's hope, ladies and gentlemen. I intend to try to help those of you who are battered liberals. Battered Liberal Syndrome can be cured. You can break the cycle. And don't worry, the batterers are not listening. What do we know about Battered Liberal Syndrome? First, we know that it's hereditary. It's passed on from generation to generation. If your parents were battered liberals, it's good enough for you. And if your parents were battered liberals, it's what you grew up understanding; it's what you grew up being; and if it's good enough for your parents, why, it's good enough for you.

Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 10:38 AM:>>Take the emotion out of gun debate,>> Naturally they don't want you to have a gun, as provided in the Constitution. But they want the filth to have all the needles, condoms and abortions they want according to their liberal agenda.

Ragnar wrote on Aug 21, 2007 10:42 AM:The slug line of Don Swift’s letter (Universal health care is coming) could have just as honestly read: “Corporate fascism is coming.” For those of you who fear and complain about corporate fascism in America . . . the national healthcare, single payer plan is the epitome of what you fear and complain about. We know how prices are set in a free market. Providers compete with each other to attract customers and they set prices at a level that will attract sufficient customers to turn a profit. So, how do you set a price when there are no customers (plural) but only one customer (singular)? If health-care providers do not have to compete for the business of their single customer, the government, how will anyone know how much to charge or to pay for a given procedure? Answer: The prices and terms of your health-care will be set behind closed doors between government bureaucrats and health-care lobbyists. If you “progressives” think health care is expensive now, wait until it’s “free.” But, then, what do we care as long as someone else has to pay for it ... Right?

FINN wrote on Aug 21, 2007 10:54 AM: Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 7:39 AM Pakistan is an ally of convenience. If the Pakistanis were really with us, they would be after al queda right now. But, the problem is that a substantial minority of the population support Al queda. I have not heard of him having discussions with Chavez or the Iranian President. Or was this your little conservative trick of avoiding by deflecting and attacking.

Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 10:58 AM:I see in the news that the supreme blackrobes of calif threw out a lawsuit of sexual abuse by a teacher against a student brought by the student. But, apparently they had no problem allowing the same against the church. What a fool, her lawyer should have named her pastor instead of her teacher. Too bad, no big fee for him

Mike America wrote on Aug 21, 2007 10:59 AM:Two letters today confronting Joe Grant, the anti-gun guy; More "Half-truths" on guns, and Take the "Emotion" Out of Gun Debate. FLASH FLASH, Joe Grant is a LIBERAL! How, pray tell, could a liberal discuss anything without being deceptive and emotional? Liberalism is an ideology, a flawed one, with no basis in reality.

No problems with morality wrote on Aug 21, 2007 11:02 AM:I'm completely agnostic and have about zero belief in afterlife or other worlds. And yet I have very strong moral feelings. I don't have any trouble thinking about or trying to do what's right, even without the threat/reward of an eternity for my choices. To think that somehow religion, let alone ONE religion, is necessary for morality is beyond me. Many agnostics and atheists are fine, moral people. Many devoutly religious people are far from behaving morally. So religion is neither necessary nor sufficient for morality. Maybe some people who have trouble thinking through moral questions get relief by being able to run to an authority; that's fine, although I don't understand how they don't see that adopting that authority is still their individual decision.

PriceOfGas wrote on Aug 21, 2007 11:02 AM:Did you notice how the price of gas skyrocketed when Nancy Legosi and Harry Reid said they were going to institute massive tax increases on the oil companies. It took Bush 3 months to respond, but after Bush told the liberals to stick it, gas has backed down 70 cents. The pathetic thing about it, is that government makes 3 times what the oil companies make per gallon of gas, and do nothing for it.

FINN wrote on Aug 21, 2007 11:12 AM:Ragnar wrote on Aug 21, 2007 10:42 AM Do you think they are actually competing now. The insurance companies often join together for greedy profit or to protect greedy profit. Check at the rates for a family or for the elderly with any of the major companies. There is no free market only the illusion of one. Insurance companies act like a cartel setting industry rates. The famous industrial leaders of the 1800s also advocated the "free market" and competition etc. Eventually, they were identified for what they were, "robber barons."

wRONg again wrote on Aug 21, 2007 11:18 AM:Ron you are constantly angry, upset, battered and angry. But for some reason when you are it's okay, but anyone is a defeatist? The people you vote for don't make the problems go away. Actually they make them worse. You suffer from Battered Conservative Syndrome. And yet you seem to like it. You like being constantly lied to. It makes you feel comfortable because it is somethibng you are used to. And being a conservative, like chuck, you keep your head in the sand and rear in the air and keep getting it kicked and thanking the kicker each time. Because it's what you are used to. Change is especially hard for conservatives; heck it's the definition of conservatism, change requires an open mind not strict dogmas. We will pray for you and the rest of the battered conservatives. And a battered conservative is easy to spot, whether it's you or your battered conservative parents; they are the ones blaming everyone else for the problems and accepting no personal responsibility for anything and claiming just the opposite. Battered conservative syndrome is a symptom of Delusional Conservative Syndrome otherwise know as The Republican Party. So keep up the attacks with your little attack doggy chuck. Wild attacks are simple to defend. Especially when the attackers are simple.

Poor Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 11:23 AM:It's only the Xians and the like that need to have those truths continually blasted into their brains or they will forget them. The rest of know and live by those truths without any threat from a demon-god.

Laughing at Creationists wrote on Aug 21, 2007 11:24 AM:I'm sure you meant you were much dumber than normal to believe your sky-elf created the world 6000 years ago.

Alf wrote on Aug 21, 2007 11:25 AM:"Chuck", my first job as an employee had a minimum wage of $1.65 per hour. On that I could afford to live by myself with a little extra now and then. Regards, Alf.

Also Curious wrote on Aug 21, 2007 11:25 AM:Curious wrote on Aug 21, 2007 9:54 AM: Is "they'res" a word?

FINN wrote on Aug 21, 2007 11:27 AM:Chuck: There you go again shooting from the lip. Why are you bringing Chavez into the subject of terrorism in Pakistan? Is this another example of your deflect and attack method? Yes, we should talk with Ahmadinajad. American Presidents and State Department ambassadors have often talked with our enemies and antagonists. That would be nothing new. It would be for GWB because he shoots from the hip. Pakistan is an ally of convenience. You know that. Prior to 9/11, it was on the bad boy list. Heck, a substantial minority of Pakistanis even support al queda. If it such a great ally, why aren't they after Al Queda in the mountains? Could it be because their population is diverse with various political opinion and who are more tribal than nationalistic. It would endanger the fabric and peace of their precarious society.

Floyd wrote on Aug 21, 2007 11:33 AM:The last time universal healthcare was proposed in the US, one of the provisions of the plan was to make it a crime to choose your own doctor.

Ron wrote on Aug 21, 2007 11:38 AM:Actually, the left is not really concerned about the price of gas on poor people. They are floating, and have been floating a .50 cent a gallon tax for the last few years. The aim of it is simple, to reduce the amount of gas consumed, and get more tax money for their pet projects. So, don't ever let them tell you these mean, evil Big Oil corporations don't give a hoot about people, and they do. The facts are, Big Oil is in it to make money, and so are they. Don't be fooled. Their not as compassionate as they tell you they are. If Big Oil makes .10 cents a gallon, and they pull in .18 cents now, plus another .50 cents, makes their total take .68 cents a gallon. That would make their "profit" 22.5%. Think about it.

Ron wrote on Aug 21, 2007 11:47 AM:"Everything must be different!" is the core psychology of Leftism, and has little to do with reasoned political beliefs. Most Marxists in the English Departments of America have never read Karl Marx's giant tome, Das Kapital, which parades as a work of economics and history, but is in fact a ponderous update of the Prussian philosopher Friedrich Hegel, who is even more unreadable than Marx. Instead of going to the fount of all Marxist wisdom, our academic "Marxists" have read the 1848 Communist Manisfesto and some hero-worshipping Leftist magazines. They are what Lenin, with magnificent disdain, called "vulgar Marxists" -- that is, proletarian dupes who just don't understand the deep philosophical roots of the real thing.

new here wrote on Aug 21, 2007 11:59 AM:For an example of how completely people have swallowed the lies of Big Pharma and Big Insuro please see Floyds blog.

to Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 12:06 PM:The examples of morality you mention and ascribe to christianity are universal in all cultures, and before christianity exsisted, they were the common morality. Somehow christians, who usually have only the faintest notion of the history of their religion, think that all this stuff was invented by them. Wrong. And, chuck, what the heck does any of this have to do with liberals or conservatives. There are decent people and slime balls enough on either side. Plus I bet you know I was right. I can see you now thinking all you liberals may be smarter than me, better educated than me, even have a better life than me, but I'm going to be laughing at all of you while you burn in hell. This kind of thinking is right up your alley.

to Ron wrote on Aug 21, 2007 12:09 PM:The Soviet Union is gone. All that hate you spewed on them is now meaningless. Marx, Lenin, Das Kapital??? It's over big guy. Come into the present. It's pretty nice here. Maybe once you've tried it you can let some of that hate go.

Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 12:13 PM:>>Why are you bringing Chavez into the subject of terrorism in Pakistan? >>> It seems that you are the only one on the planet that doesnt know that the terrorists infesting Trinidad came right through Chavez's nationalized airports. And thats why you love Chavez's alliances in Cuba. You're pertrified that if Castro dies, democracy will sprout its roots in Cuba, a doubly, if it happens under Bush. Reagan and North had to go behind the back of the liberal Congress to aid Central America, and I'm sure the liberals will make it a crime to aid Cuba as soon as your buddy in Cuba croaks

Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 12:16 PM:>>>And, chuck, what the heck does any of this have to do with liberals or conservatives.>>> Let's put it this way, self-responsibilty is not, and never will be, part of any liberal agenda, in any minute way.

Ron wrote on Aug 21, 2007 12:20 PM:You really gotta wonder.... When the no. 2 Democrat in the Senate — the assistant majority leader, Democrat Richard Durbin of Illinois, who once compared our troops to Nazi's — is conceding that the surge of American troops has led to military progress in Iraq. And.... Similar comments were being made, by Sen. Carl Levin D-Il., is chairman of the Armed Services Committee, Democrat Sen. Jack Reed, and Democrat Sen. Bob Casey. And... Brookings Institution scholars Michael O'Hanlon and Kenneth Pollack in a New York Times op-ed. QUOTE: "We are finally getting somewhere in Iraq, at least in military terms. As two analysts who have harshly criticized the Bush administration's miserable handling of Iraq, we were surprised by the gains we saw and the potential to produce not necessarily "victory" but a sustainable stability that both we and the Iraqis could live with." How does this square with "Good news in Iraq = bad news for House Democrats" per Democrat Rep. Jim Clyburn? Apparently, we have our own version of Sunni vs. Shia... the House Democrats versus the Senate Democrats?

Alf wrote on Aug 21, 2007 12:21 PM:Let's see here, strawman by "Ron", ""Everything must be different!" is the core psychology of Leftism, and has little to do with reasoned political beliefs.". "Ron", when you start with a false premise (stated as fact)and then expand on it, the only person with egg on their face is you. My question is whether you should start your post or end your post with "Nevermind!". Regards, Alf.

Deconstructing Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 12:22 PM:Chuck is riddled with fear. And envy. Liberals are the object of his envy. His constant bashing and lashing is his give away. It is much too personal to be rooted in any true ideological differences. More than his taxes have been taken from him by someone he deems a liberal. Maybe a wife? Hard to say, but something on a deeper personal basis. It's not politics. He's neither dangerous nor considered a threat, because he is too emotional. He is controlled by his emotions of fear and hatred and suffers not from low self esteem as much as he suffers from paranoid narcisism. He is a friend to the liberal and their agenda. In the end he wants to see liberals win so that his hate and fear will be justified, for it is all he has. Without it he would have to take responsibility for his own happiness. Or in his case, his own misery.

Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 12:22 PM:>>>>Cuba health care is a model for other nations>>> LOL. That was no Cuban doctor who worked on Castro, and everyone in the world knows it, except you

Ragnar wrote on Aug 21, 2007 12:25 PM:At 11:12 AM we get the same old bromide: Free markets don’t work ... government regulation does. Free choices don’t work ... government choices do. The unshakeable notion that all individuals are greedy, dishonest and stupid UNLESS they become politicians or bureaucrats. The only thing 11:12 AM got right was “There is no free market only the illusion of one.” Never has been. The free market in medical insurance began to vanished with Medicare. Those “robber barons” got to be robber barons when they jumped in bed with government. That’s what fascism is ... not capitalism.

Ron wrote on Aug 21, 2007 12:28 PM:Hey... ah.... to Ron @12:09pm? Did you get a load of what DOLORES WELTY wrote today? A real Castro lover... ya know? It anit dead, it's alive and kick'n, and us good Americans plan on kick'n it's "you know what" again until it's gone. Savvy?

Alf wrote on Aug 21, 2007 12:35 PM:Keep feeding me those lines "Mike America". My pick of you today is "How, pray tell, could a liberal discuss anything without being deceptive and emotional?". I like mine better because it fits you perfectly - "How, pray tell, could a conservative, such as you, discuss anything without being toxic, arrogant, insulting, generalizing, deceptive and antagonistic?" The real question is whether you and "Chuck" are having some sort of perverted competition to see how many people that you can hack off. You have the audacity to question how to have a discussion, when cussin' and insultin' are all you seem to want to do. I have a novel idea, WHY NOT debate or discuss facts sans insults? Regards, Alf.

Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 12:42 PM:>>taken from him by someone he deems a liberal. Maybe a wife? Hard to say, but something on a deeper personal basis. It's not politics. He's neither dangerous nor considered a threat, because he is too emotional>>> Gee, I guess I better leave now, put on a straitjacket and have my electro-shock therapy

Concerned-1 wrote on Aug 21, 2007 12:43 PM:For Tony and the rest: I'm of the age that healthcare is becoming more and more of an issue. I just took out some Affleck, and kind of felt I was betting against myself. Anyway, I think our current healthcare system sucks. Your Australian healthcare sounds great, however, consider the source. Australia! Our government, on the other hand, leaves just a little to be desired. Look at anything the feds have done in the past 50 years and tell me you trust them to manage a universal healthcare system. You'd be nuts to believe it.

FINN wrote on Aug 21, 2007 12:44 PM:Ron wrote on Aug 21, 2007 10:35 AM A simple yes or no would have sufficed. Did all you liberals out there enjoy Ron's answer?

Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 12:45 PM:>>“There is no free market only the illusion of one.” Never has been.>>>>>> Did you fall asleep with MeinKampf or did the public schools start classes today?

Concerned-1 wrote on Aug 21, 2007 12:45 PM:When the pro-illegal protesters march on Washington and in L.A., ICE should be there with busses.

Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 12:47 PM:>>>>You are living in a fantasy world if you think U.S. citizens will ever have anything close to the level of health care that congress enjoys! >> Well, mine certainly doesnt cover the limo drive to the doctor or the membership to bathhouses, like theirs do.

Taffy wrote on Aug 21, 2007 12:49 PM:George W. Bush has proven himself time and time again as the most powerful and wise leader this country has ever known. If this were not the case the Liberals would not be so quick to cast stones at him as evidenced by the previous comments. Not that I would give you two-cents for the opinion of a Democrat filth, because that would be overpaying and I am not one to be taken advantage of, but I can see why those of weak mind and spirit would wholeheartedly despise a man of such integrity. The simple fact is that Liberals are scared to death that another man of faith and honor is going to win then election in 2008 and they will say or do anything in effort to thwart the inevitable. They hate honor and they despise anything remotely decent so it is understandable that they would loathe George W. Bush who stands for both. If there were any way possible to see President Bush elected for a third term and finish the annihilation of terrorism, I would cast my vote today. However, the established Liberal policy dictates that only two terms be served so we must elect a man who will do anything to keep our country safe. I pray that the next leader will have the wisdom and gumption to finish what George W. Bush started by unleashing relentless attacks on any country who does not stand united with the USA in this Holy war we are in. The best thing that could happen would be to completely destroy the populations of the whole Middle East, Israel being the sole exception, and turn those barren lands over to the Liberals ... and Atheists who hate America and God. Then, we destroy it all over again reclaiming the world for our Father.

To Concerned-1 wrote on Aug 21, 2007 12:54 PM:You might get more response on the thread concerning the deportation. Most people already know this is a publicity stunt. The Hispanics will not go home and we will learn to live with them. Better representatives will elected and the immigration issue will be solved. Don't get your knickers in a twist for nothing.

Ron wrote on Aug 21, 2007 12:56 PM:Accounts Receivable Tax; Building Permit Tax; CDL license Tax; Cigarette Taxes; Corporate Income Tax; Dog License Tax; Excise Taxes; Federal Income Tax; Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA); Fishing License Tax; Food License Tax; Fuel Permit Tax; Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon); Gross Receipts Tax; Hunting License Tax; Inheritance Tax Inventory Tax; IRS Interest Charges; IRS Penalties(tax on top of tax); Liquor Tax; Luxury Taxes; Marriage License Tax; Medicare Tax; Personal Property Tax; Property Tax; Real Estate Tax; Service Charge Tax Social Security Tax; Road Usage Tax; Sales Tax; Recreational Vehicle Tax; School Tax; State Income Tax State Unemployment Tax (SUTA); Telephone Federal Excise Tax; Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax; Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes; Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax; Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax; Telephone State and Local Tax; Telephone Usage Charge Tax; (They love to hide them here!) Utility Taxes; Vehicle License Registration Tax; Vehicle Sales Tax; Watercraft Registration Tax; Well Permit Tax; Workers Compensation Tax. And their investing new taxes and fees everyday. STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY? Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, and our nation was the most prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had the largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids. And to think... our founders threw a Tea Party over a 1% tax?!! We are a very long ways from the founders. Closer to Marx, than Jefferson economically.

To FINN wrote on Aug 21, 2007 12:56 PM:I don't read Ron. He has said all he has to say for months now. And I certainly don't care what Rush has to say. Next question?

Ron wrote on Aug 21, 2007 1:03 PM:Talk about work Americans won’t do…or at least shouldn’t do. How about coal mining? We follow the days and days of fruitless search for survivors of the Utah mine collapse. We lose hope daily, as do the loved ones. Three lives lost in the rescue effort. But ponder... Why would anybody in right mind venture beneath the earth to mine coal? Underground. It’s dark down there. Wet. Dirty and nasty. And at most an accommodating death chamber. Imagine getting on an elevator or mine car and heading straight down. Exit into a black chamber and do work that’s a lot like busting rocks at the state pen. Any minute something can shift or collapse and ….. I don’t think they pay folks extremely well to mine coal, do they? It’s terrible work. So why do folks do it so willingly? We hear that generations of families are involved in coal mining. Grandpa went down, dad went down and so now I go down. Huh? I don’t think illegals will do this kind of work. I guess it’s a way of life. And you have to grow up in a particular environment (town) to understand. I shore don’t. It may be safer being a contract worker in Iraq…and the pay is better in Iraq (not for our troops but for the contract workers…huh?) But then again don’t count me in working on an auto assembly plant line either. Putting the nut on the screw thing like a thousand times a day. Folks do this work because unions lock up jobs for life, lotsa vacation, health and retirement and if you get laid off you get paid anyway. Ain’t fun work and you spend your entire career counting days until you get old….enough to go fishing full time. That’s a helluva lousy way to work too.

Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 1:12 PM:>>>ICE should be there with busses. >>> ?? Bush arresting illegals?? Give me a break. He's more likely to to arrest the bus drivers because of sub-standard seal belts in the bus, that they bot from China

Again wrote on Aug 21, 2007 1:27 PM:Ron only posts off conservative internet sites. 12:56 post is copied off Sean Hannity's site link :[Web site]. This man has no personal opinion. Just what he's told to think.

Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 1:38 PM:>>> I don't read Ron>>>>> Al Jazzera is more your style and philosophy anyway.

to to FINN wrote on Aug 21, 2007 1:43 PM:I too stopped reading anything written by Ron because none of it was new or interesting, and also because he is so egocentric and has no ability to listen to others except as they push his talking points button. The blog is much more enjoyable and "light", and much less boring and tiresome, skipping what Ron posts. But now we have Chuck, who I'm not sure isn't a tongue-in-cheek dude, as his [other] self, Taffy, clearly is. So I'm going to keep reading Chuck for a little while for the humor in his/her posts. But it's good to hear others are tuning out Ron's self-indulgent repetitions.

new here wrote on Aug 21, 2007 1:52 PM:First of all we were not the most prosperous nation in the world 100 years ago. Britain was. We were to the world then what China is now. A place where a product or natural resource could be produced cheaply because of extremely cheap labor. And if the working man complained he was fired and replaced by a never ending pool of immigrants. We also had child labor, horrible working conditions ie. sweatshops. Serious problems with our water and food supplies. We also had a national debt of 2 billion, and a very small middle class. I know it's comforting to think that the good old days were great but they weren't unless you were a Robber Barron. Our Founders lived before the Industrial Revolution and could never have forseen the huge changes that it would bring. But working people banded together to demand some chance to "pursue happiness" from their government, the Progressive Movement, which began the climb out of poverty and into the middle class. No offense Ron, but you really need to read some US history. And give it up on Marx. What are you ninety?

Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 1:54 PM:>>> Ron only posts off conservative internet sites.>>> So what. Your type only posts what Nancy Legosi, Wulf Blitzer, Harry Reid and John Murtha, etc tell you to post. When they bash Bush, you bash Bush. When they bash healthcare, you bash healthcare. I never know if I'm hearing an echo or a parrot.

Ron wrote on Aug 21, 2007 1:57 PM:Seems like "The Prophet" now has a posse? LOL........... you know... only a person with no life, would follow me around. But... as Alf says.. nevermind.

Alf wrote on Aug 21, 2007 2:01 PM:In his litany of taxes, "Ron" noted that all of them (according to "Ron", and we know that he is accurate, don't we?) "Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago". He forgot to delete the taxes ON THINGS THAT WERE NOT HERE TO BE TAXED 100 YEARS AGO. I'll pick out a few things that could not have been taxed because they did not yet exist - CDL license Tax(no drivers licenses yet), Fuel Permit Tax; Gasoline Tax (42 cents per gallon) (we had no gas stations as we know them today because there were few, if any cars yet), IRS Interest Charges; IRS Penalties(tax on top of tax)(THE IRS came into being as it is today after 1913), Medicare Tax AND Service Charge Tax Social Security Tax Social Security was not around in 1907), Recreational Vehicle Tax (No RVs back then). Regards, Alf.

Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 2:02 PM:Here is a quote from congressional testimony by the CIA. "There was in fact a robust plan, marked by extraordinary effort and dedication to fighting terrorism, dating back to long before 9/11," he said. "Without such an effort, we would not have been able to give the president a plan on Sept. 15, 2001, that led to the routing of the Taliban, chasing al-Qaida from its Afghan sanctuary and combating terrorists across 92 countries." So, it seems we're chasing terrorists in only 92 countries. So, I guess you liberals can go back to sipping your Zinfandel and not worry about terrorism anymore.

to the Conservatives wrote on Aug 21, 2007 2:03 PM:Christ was a liberal.

Up Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 2:05 PM:it's more than 12 people chuck. you wish. I print this stuff out and leave it in the lunch room where I work. With over 1000 employees. Been doing it for months. Your should hear what real people, mostly conservatives, say about you and ron. Pretty much the same reaction as folks give to Bible screamers on the corner of 5th and Broadway. The fact that you don't care is what makes it so funny! Keep up the good work! The ACLU couldn't do as much harm to the conservative movement as you do in a day. I just wish we could interview you in person and put you on YouTube. Kind of like that crazy dude from the bronx that was such a hit for a little while. Teddy Kennedy would get elected president. Love ya buddy!

To the Conservitives wrote on Aug 21, 2007 2:14 PM:Which are you affiliated with.

Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 2:37 PM: >>Why would anybody in right mind venture beneath the earth to mine coal? >> Because it's a necessary job they're trained to do and get well paid for. I'd hate to stop flying airliners just because one crashed. (Although if the ACLU liberals insist on strip searching the old ladies at the airport, and waving by those wearing the dirty night shirts with beards, I might stop flying)

Al Jazeera wrote on Aug 21, 2007 2:45 PM:Actually, reading the posted newspapers of other countries, including Al Jazeera, is very enlightening. It's fascinating to get many perspectives. Part of the blundering that our leader perpetrated was to steadfastly remain ignorant about the perspectives of others, which his admirers see as being strong-like-them. If we'd known more about Shiites, Sunnis, and Kurds, for example, the Iraq fiasco might have been run differently. No, we knew that we'd be greeted as liberators and the Iraqi oil revenues would pay for the war in a NY minute. If only the big heads of our leaders had been filled with brain tissue!

new here wrote on Aug 21, 2007 2:54 PM:Not to put too fine a point on it, but the US has never been without a national public debt since it's inception.

Up Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 2:57 PM:your 1:12 posting is curious. Again you are bashing Bush. You deride people for bashing him and then you do it all the time? Curious indeed. MOre hypocritical filth, go stick your head in the sand and have another(whatever conservatives supposedly drink? kool aid?). Okay okay, let's debate. You say Liberals parrot Al Jazeera. Religious fundamentalism is also part of their agenda, which is more similar to conservatism. Making a comparison on either side is ludicris and all thinking people know that. Nice try. Next. You consider liberals, Islamists, and others to be filth. What is filth? Are you trying to make a point or do you really categorize all those who are different than you as filth? There are extremist groups that would welcome you with open arms. These groups are antiamerican by definition. You constantly bash the public school system. What alternative to you propose? One where they teach the Bible? If so do you support the teachings of other religious texts as well? Where do they teach the poetry of Tupac Shukar? And if they do does it mean you support book burning of those you don't deem worthy? You don't believe liberals support self responsibility? Do you really believe that or wish it to be true. You must realize that most liberals do just that; they have good jobs, families, create wealth for the nation and want to help others achieve self reliance. It is part of the liberal agenda. No where on this site do you hear anyone ever lament the things they feel they are entitled to other than life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Do you really believe that conservatives don't drink lattes and chardonnay? If you do it really shows just how out of touch you are with mainstream america. Do you say these things because you find them effiminite and by attaching them to liberalism you feel you have somehow made conservatism more manly? What is manly? Cowboys? I've always found the image of the cowboy to be somewhat queer ever since the Village People. Strange that it is the conservative mascot. You state that liberals hate the idea of christianity and living morally? I know that no one will ever change the way you think. No desire to. Your entitled to whatever thoughts you want. But. You are wRONg. And all that hate in your heart won't ever make it so. I have no intention of letting your ignorance go unchallenged. I actually appreciate the fact that you say these things out loud. It's important for every one to hear them instead of keeping it bottled up in your heart. It's the only way it will ever be expunged.

Tony wrote on Aug 21, 2007 3:12 PM:Another update from Australia, which by the way I am flying to tomorrow, I see where the US Federal minimum wage was just raised to $5.65(?) an hour, the first increase in 10 years. The minimum wage has just been increased this August to $700AUD a week and everyone in Australia gets 4 weeks vacation a year. On your 10 year anniversary, and seeing that most Aussies haves roots and families elsewhere, an Aussie worker gets his 4 weeks plus another 13 weeks vacation for that year. That's called long service leave. That also happens on your 20th anniversary. On the internet look up the following statistic--Human Resourses, Best countries in the world in which to live. Norway is first, followed by Iceland, followed by Australia. The US is either 6th or 8th.

Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 3:13 PM:>>>reading the posted newspapers of other countries, including Al Jazeera, is very enlightening>>> We know, it gives you your marching orders for the day, via the DNC

Tony wrote on Aug 21, 2007 3:14 PM:Another update from Australia, which by the way I am flying to tomorrow, I see where the US Federal minimum wage was just raised to $5.65(?) an hour, the first increase in 10 years. The minimum wage in Australia has just been increased this August to $700AUD a week and everyone in Australia gets 4 weeks vacation a year. On your 10 year anniversary, and seeing that most Aussies haves roots and families elsewhere, an Aussie worker gets his 4 weeks plus another 13 weeks vacation for that year. That's called long service leave. That also happens on your 20th anniversary. On the internet look up the following statistic--Human Resourses, Best countries in the world in which to live. Norway is first, followed by Iceland, followed by Australia. The US is either 6th or 8th.

We know, Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 3:14 PM:No sane American could possibly think that terrorism began on 9/11, Chuck. We and other nations have been living with it for decades. We and other nations have been fighting it for decades, all over the world. We liberals think that's a very good thing. We favor intelligent, effective, clever, subtle, and relentless work to infiltrate terrorist groups, arrest terrorists, and learn all we can about what makes non-terrorists into terrorists, just in case that process can be affected somehow. And this is what the world was doing until W saw the opportunity to make something else out of it, something that included war on thousands of innocent civilians who, if anything, were victims and not perpetrators of terrorist acts. When you look at the successes in the last 6 years, you mainly find plots foiled by police action, international cooperation, and intelligence. The military approach has been a disaster for all concerned except Al Qaeda, which has W as its "Bin Laden Wants You" recruiting poster boy, and which is at full strength in Afghanistan. But the American people that W has counted on believe that there are two options only: sing kumbaya with terrorists, or blow up the local civilian populations. W and Bin Laden thank all of you for thinking this way. Caskets R us.

Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 3:18 PM:>>>>>Christ was a liberal.>>>. Was he? I can't imagine any liberal dying for Christianity, or even allowing its teachings in the public schools.

Up Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 3:22 PM:If the little old ladies who are getting strip searched by the ACLU have done nothing wRONg, then they shouldn't have anything to worry about. Right?

new here wrote on Aug 21, 2007 3:23 PM:In regard to Ron's idea that everything was swell one hundred years ago. Wrong. 1907 was the start of a serious depression that ruined business, farmers and the like. In fact here is a list of depressions in the US: 1819-1824, 1837-1843, 1857-1860, 1873-1896, 1907-1908, 1920, 1929-1940. After the Great Depression of 1929 the government stepped in to provide more control over the economy such that there has not be a depression, banking panic or really a major financial crisis since then. Capitalism works great, but it needs some government control to function fairly and properly. The argument, of course, is how much control. I don't mind some government control if it means we all don't have to go through the terrible boom and bust cycles of the past.

To the conservitives wrote on Aug 21, 2007 3:46 PM:Christ said to get into heaven you must sell all of your possessions and give the money to the poor. (Matt. 19:21) I don't think you can get more liberal then that. You also wont hear your pasture or what ever say that. He would have to sell his 700 series BMW.

Concerned-1 wrote on Aug 21, 2007 4:08 PM:Again with the universal healthcare issue. Tony, I'm sure there are systems that work in the world, but could we honestly trust our government to run it? Seriously, we are simply not capable of doing anything. I blame that on the polarization of the two parties, and the liberal mindset that has allowed political correctness to shove us down a slippery slope.

Peter wrote on Aug 21, 2007 4:27 PM:Grant wants the readers to buy the falsehoods that Mayor Bloomberg of New York City has been trying to sell regarding other states as the sources of firearms used in crimes in his city. His city has failed to trust the residents for many decades, requiring that those desiring to exercise their 2nd amendment rights by purchasing a handgun must first get the permission of the Police. In the almost 100 years that the relevant New York law has been in effect New York City has seen many handgun related violent crimes, but rarely has it been with a legally owned firearm. In fact the criminal element in New York City has only been emboldened by the likelihood of their victims being defenseless. Bloomberg is a part of a coalition which includes the Mayor of San Diego which is seeking to obtain firearm purchase records outside of the course of police investigations, and seeks to harass federally licensed gun dealers. As for his weak attempt to correlate requirements to purchase a vehicle with requirements to purchase a firearm, he would be better trying to compare the grossly disparate processing of being able to operate a vehicle and getting licensed to carry a concealed firearm. While anyone eligible to take the driver’s license exam who passes it, purchases insurance and registers their vehicle can operate such a potentially dangerous piece of machinery on the public roadways, one who passes a background check, and has passed the state mandated firearms training, must still get the approval the local Sheriff. Getting that approval requires what the Sheriff considers a valid reason and the submission of personal references, but the San Diego County Sheriff does not consider the reason of self-defense of a general nature a valid reason. Lastly, since I live in Oceanside, and we have our own police department, and the Sheriff’s deputies do not normally cover Oceanside, why do I have to get the approval of the Sheriff when state law specifies that the Chief of Police has the authority?

Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 4:39 PM:>>>>>If the little old ladies who are getting strip searched by the ACLU have done nothing wRONg, then they shouldn't have anything to worry about. Right? >>>>> I see the public schools have struck again

Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 4:45 PM:>>>>>And this is what the world was doing until W saw the opportunity to make something else>>>>>>>>>> Your hero, BJ Clinton stripped the intelligence community to the bone, making whathappened on 9/11 possible. How many more American cities need to be attacked before your type sees even a hint of danger in terrorism

To reiterate wrote on Aug 21, 2007 4:56 PM:Chuck, your assumption that liberals love or loved Clinton is simply false. Second, to decide that 911 is Clinton's fault is simply dumb.

Up Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 5:00 PM:Actually Chuck I went to private school. Neither here nor there though, because that's a conservative talking point you just debunked, but I guess you knew that. Did you go to school? Or were you home schooled by other self loathing conversative whiners? With one book? When are you going to take your head out the sand and realize that what is going on is creating more terrorism not halting it. You and your filth want terrorism to exand so as to spread more fear and take away more rights. You love government control. How many more cities need to be attacked before your type realizes this? Why do you hate america chuck?

to Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 5:02 PM:No one says there is no danger in terrorism. But I don't think stirring up the hornets nest (Iraq) is helping the problem.

Alf wrote on Aug 21, 2007 5:05 PM:Howdy, "Chuck". Your 4:45PM post, although the 2 attacks on the World Trade Center were by foreigners, Oklahoma City was a "homegrown" terrorist, your basic "take the law into his own hands" and "send a message" type. You know the type, only 1 or 2 steps removed from the sdmm in terms of taking the law into their own hands. Just in case there is any doubt, I consider the sdmm to be lower life forms(?) than you consider liberals, at least according to your posts. Regards, Alf.

Alf wrote on Aug 21, 2007 5:16 PM:Well, "Up Chuck" and "to Chuck", you are both correct. "To a hammer everything looks like a nail" and when someone only knows how to fight and kill and cause fear, that's what they'll do, even if it means their extinction. Liken it to what you should do if you disturb Africanized bees - run as fast as you can for as long as you can (the bees stop chasing after 1/4 mile MOST of the time) OR YOU CAN do like the pro-war advocates do - keep disturbing the hive while you are stung, the more you get stung the more you hit the hive. Most people with even 2 functional brain cells know which results in the least damage. Regards, Alf.

FINN wrote on Aug 21, 2007 5:47 PM:Chuck wrote on Aug 21, 2007 12:45 PM Show me a true free market in the history of the United States that was free of attempts to corner the market, to monopoize control of a particular good or service or a cartel that sought to control the entire economy.

Christians wrote on Aug 21, 2007 6:02 PM:As I recall, Christian leadership was at the forefront of the entire Civil Rights movement, many liberals willing to die for Christian principles of justice and mercy. Then, worldwide, you have truly admirable Christians putting their lives on the line for the poor and oppressed. This Christianity is one that I, as a liberal, have huge admiration for. It's a great tradition with a rich history and none of the resentment (but more of the morality and humility) that we see so often here in these pages. Chuck and Ron and their "ilk" or "type" should study these true Christians and pray for that change of heart. I wish them well.

Little Old Lady from Escondido wrote on Aug 21, 2007 8:44 PM:Taffy's post was truly an excellent example of how twisted the thinking of consevative fundamentalist Christians can be.

Sorry, Murel wrote on Aug 21, 2007 9:59 PM:Senator Clinton will be President. It will be great to have an intelligent President again. She will bring our Country out of the mess it's in. And restore respect from the rest of the world. I hope she chooses Joe Biden as her running mate, as he is one of the most knowledgeable Senators on foreign affairs we have.

Don S. wrote on Aug 22, 2007 10:30 AM:Regarding 'Ragners' comment on the universal health system,(Aug 21) In case he doesn't know, but our medicare system is very good, and widely accepted by the medical profession. Medicare have their set prices of doctor and hospital charges, and the vast majority of doctors and hospitals agree to these. Were these prices set behind closed doors? I don't think so. Further more, the medicare system runs a whole lot more efficient and less costly than the private enterprise does. SURPRISE!