TOM wrote on Aug 22, 2007 7:28 AM:SHOWS YOU HOW BRAINDEAD THE GO AWAY CHARGERS GROUP AND THE CITY ATTORNEY AREPLAIN AND SIMPLE, AND THESE GUYS THINK THEY ARE GOING TO MAKE ASTAND ON KEEPING THE CHARGERS OUT OF OCEANSIDE , WHAT ARE THEY RAIDER FANS

Nice, Tom wrote on Aug 22, 2007 8:22 AM:Try learning some keyboard and composition skills. This article just gives Fabiani a chance to spin his message even more. NCT wants the Chargers so NCT gives them column space, pure and simple.

Ridiculous! wrote on Aug 22, 2007 9:05 AM:Fabiani said in his KOCT interview that he had given the city 'acoustical' studies. What a sleezy guy. Now we find out he was shading the truth. 'Nice' got it right. This is all spin and should tell the city how much integrity he will use when 'negotiating' with them. In my book, lying on TV doesn't give Fabiani any credbility now.

Hmmm... wrote on Aug 22, 2007 10:12 AM:goawaychargers.com is coming up with some real information about just how big of a snake oil salesman the Chargers and Fabiani are. Congrats and keep up the investigation.

GO CHARGERS wrote on Aug 22, 2007 10:47 AM:The whole GO AWAY CHARGERS thing is so juvenile. Nadine Scott can be best described as a city hall gadfly who refuses to be objective about anything. LET THE CITY VOTE AND DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH GOAT HILL

You're kidding, right? wrote on Aug 22, 2007 12:10 PM:Until studies are finished in September, the Chargers coming to Oceanside is a non-story. Yet Go-away-Chargers attempts to do a little grand-standing on the subject which then results in a genius like "Hmmm..." to accuse them of being snake-oil salesmen. Nice, Tom, did you happen to not that the very existence of this article was due to Go-away-Chargers and not the other way around? I little intelligence wouldn't hurt when addressing this topic.

Dr Drakkar wrote on Aug 22, 2007 12:25 PM:go away Chargers loves to see its name in the papers, otherwise they have no purpose or value whatsoever.

Randy wrote on Aug 22, 2007 12:29 PM:Just what is the story with Nadine? Is she for them or against them? One minute she is giving a domain name to the group, but it really doesn't mean a thing. The next minute, she is filing public records requests on behalf of the opposition. What gives? Nadine was never afraid of taking a stand before!

D CASPER wrote on Aug 22, 2007 12:43 PM:HEY TOM;At least ,RAIDER FAN has spell check.I would welcome the chargers to OCEANSIDE .Long live AL DAVIS, GO RAIDERS.FIRE MOUNTAIN ROCKS!SINCERELY D. CASPER.

Go Away wrote on Aug 22, 2007 1:51 PM:GO AWAY CHARGERS!

D. Fouts wrote on Aug 22, 2007 2:38 PM:... I'm with TOM, GO CHARGERS!!!! HEY D. Casper, isn't AL DAVIS DEAD?

GO AWAY wrote on Aug 22, 2007 2:45 PM:TO THE GO AWAY CHARGERS

tuan wrote on Aug 22, 2007 5:50 PM:This GO AWAY CHARGERS group should go away themselves. It would not surprise me that they are comprised of old farts whose time is well over due.

Bolt Fan wrote on Aug 22, 2007 5:52 PM:Why would an organization like 'Go away Chargers' even exist? Why would the community of Oceanside not want the Chargers to build a stadium there? Why are there so many anti-sports people in S.D. County? I can't wait for the Chargers to move to Orange County, San Diego does not deserve them.

To Bolt Fan wrote on Aug 22, 2007 7:05 PM:What does being a fan have to do with anything? What makes people anti-stadium at Goat Hill anti-sport? Why are people who are working to protect their property values & investments & quality of life the bad guys? I'm all for the Chargers in Oside, but Goat Hill is one of the worst locations. If that's the only option up here then I agree ... let them go to Orange County. But get over this 'fan vs non-fan' mentality. That's the biggest non-issue of this who scenario!

Bolt Fan wrote on Aug 22, 2007 7:41 PM:I never used the word 'fan' in mmy comments. If my property values would decrease because of a stadium then I would oppose it as well. I was simply asking why people would oppose ideaa. My reference to anti-sport people in S.D. County were aimed at people like Mike Aguirre. I'm glad people in S.D. County, as well as their moronic civic leaders, are opposed to a new stadium, it will make my drive shorter. This whole issue reminds me, a native San Diegan, why I don't live there anymore.

BakBoltFan wrote on Aug 22, 2007 8:08 PM:we have alot of land out here in bakersfield. ohhhhhh it will give hearth attack to the raiders fan, that they said they will make it to the playoff

To Bolt Fan wrote on Aug 22, 2007 8:13 PM:Your name says it all when it comes to 'fan' status. Knowing that you no longer live in the affected area rendors your opinions completely mute and entirely irrelevant. I used to say "Go Chargers to Chula Vista" ... now I'll go with "Go Chargers to Orange County" ... see ... we can just get along!

Hey Bolt Fan wrote on Aug 22, 2007 8:31 PM:If you don't live here then you have nothing to contribute. My almost 7 figure Fire Mountain property has no where to go but down with this proposition. That means that, fan or not ... sports enthusiast or not, I cannot support this pie in the sky dream of shoehorning a stadium in the middle of pre-existing residential. There is more at stake than keeping the Chargers in San Diego. It would be nice if they could stay BUT if they can't stay without destroying neighborhoods then they are more than free to go.

Read the web? wrote on Aug 22, 2007 8:33 PM:If you folks read the website you'd see that this group has serious concerns about the site in Oceanside being appropriate for a stadium including the potential giveaway of over 70 acres of public land, traffic, crime, noise, etc. You would also read that they favor the Qualcomm site. Guess uninformed bloggers abound.

Dan wrote on Aug 23, 2007 1:47 AM:How does crime come into the equation? What gets me is people think that prop values would go down? why would that happen? If there is a Super Bowl - you could rent your house out for a week for anything you want…It always seems that fear is the issue - fear of change, fear of decreasing quality of life - yet by the time this stadium is actually built - it will be another 7 to 10 years - some of these people, including myself, may be too sick or even dead to worry about the value of your property. The main way to realize your value is to sell the house and leave. Why not wait until the facts are laid out and give the possibility of stadium a chance. As for the golf course, is it such a great course that it has to remain? As for giving the land, the tax revenue generated will far out weigh the one time purchase price. It's a give and take, the city benefits by getting tax money for doing nothing, they don't sell anything, they don't make anything, they just take from us who have money. So let companies and individuals build things that generate cash flow and jobs and let the city benefit from the tax revenue. Remember that if a person works at the stadium, earns a pay check, goes to his condo in Oside somewhere, pays for his utilities etc, buys gas in the area, eats a meal, does what ever etc., tax revenue is generated. Directly or indirectly, the stadium has to benefits the entire community more than the golf course. How much does the golf course generate in revenue and how much does it take to keep it up? Think about that part of it too. Go Away all those who say go away…

pao wrote on Aug 23, 2007 8:05 AM:Tom, You wrote... "Try learning some keyboard and composition skills." Great way to add to the search for truth, attack the person that doesn't agree with you. You got the point didn't you? Rebut if you want to, don't criticize the poster. You wrote... "This article just gives Fabiani a chance to spin his message even more." Please explain why you believe Fabiani is just giving his, and by extension, the Chargers' spin. I don't see it as spin, I see it as their truth. By all means be a skeptic but at least give us your reasons why. Otherwise you're not helping us get to the truth of the matter. You wrote... "NCT wants the Chargers so NCT gives them column space, pure and simple." No, NCT gives them the space because this is a timely story of interest to Oceanside residents, including you. My Mom always told me "what you look for you will find". You are looking for a conspiracy and you have found one where none exists. pao

Jack wrote on Aug 23, 2007 9:24 AM:I live off of Oceanside blvd and having a stadium would ruin my quality of life. I lived near other stadiums early in my life and the traffic alone is a nightmare. It will double my commute. Can you imagine 50,000 fans trying to get down Oceanside Boulevard? And a Super Bowl? We'd be trapped in our house for a week.

M. Tipton wrote on Aug 23, 2007 9:44 AM:I think that the go away chargers and the their supporters should be the ones to go away or shut up and if they don't like it, WELL TOUGH

Mike wrote on Aug 23, 2007 9:48 AM:I think that the go away chargers and their supporters should be the ones to go away or shut up, and if they don't like it WELL TOUGH

Rent My House?! wrote on Aug 23, 2007 9:50 AM:Are you kidding?! Super Bowl? Yeah ... I'm going to bank my entire future on something that may or may not come through once every 10 or more years. Property values will ultimately decrease as they do near every other stadium once the newness wears off. The added traffic, noise, people stumbling through our neighborhoods after the game to collect the cars they've left scattered in front of our houses because there is insufficient or overpriced parking at the stadium, the litter those same people will leave, etc. will complete the destruction. A person working a regular job at a stadium wouldn't even be able to afford a condo in OSide. Goat Hill could become a better golf course with a little actual care & maintenance. However, I would also support developing the land with a more sensible and user friendly (not neighborhood destroying) purpose & design. Goat Hill is a stupid location for a stadium. Bring the Chargers to OSide for sure, but put them in a more suitable location. Something more commercial ... more industrial (like Petco) ... less residential. If they can't come without plowing over neighborhoods then they're not welcome.

FreeMarket wrote on Aug 23, 2007 9:54 AM:As a lifelong Bolt Fan & O-side resident, you have my vote on any potential project for our city! There is a reason we have substandard housing along much of our coastline contrasted with the rest of coastal Orange & San Diego Counties. Its thinking that resembles lack of progress. For what, to preserve the beautiful housing off Cassidy? Hilarious!

Long Time Oside Resident wrote on Aug 23, 2007 11:46 AM:Go away Chargers...absolutely comical. I can't believe "a group of anonymous folks" are actually trying to form such a group. As if one cannot do his/her own research to formulate an opinion on the matter. So now, stadium supporters should start another group with a flashy name like Bring on the Bolts or something... help me out here. For everyone worried about property values, let's see some kind of supporting info to show how home values will decrease as a result of a stadium. Prop values are already going down without a stadium. Oside is and has always been a beach bumb town. Here's a chance to make it much more than that, so get on the band wagon! Tired of seeing my hometown so run down for so long..and I don't believe a major development at Goat Hill will do anything but revive some of the old slummy neighborhoods that surround it. and by the way, nobody likes traffic but if you can't deal with it, move to somewhere less dense... N. Dakota perhaps?!

J.O. wrote on Aug 23, 2007 1:38 PM:Traffic?! Oh No! That would be way too hard to deal with for 10 days out of the year!!

Foolish wrote on Aug 23, 2007 3:31 PM:The stated use for the stadium is for over 350 days per year folks. We already have bumper to bumper traffic every Saturday and Sunday. And once El Corazon park is developed, we will have bumper to bumper soccer moms, dads, and grandparents trying to use this public facility. Should we all give up our town for a private owner like Spanos? No Way!

Long Time Oside Resident wrote on Aug 23, 2007 3:50 PM:To Foolish... would you rather be in bumper to bumper traffic w/soccer moms/dads or with a bunch of gang bangers and dope dealers like now? And I believe the 350 or whatever days a year (wherever you got that from) is probably referring to the office space or whatever else is decided to be built along side the stadium.

To Long Time Oside Resident wrote on Aug 23, 2007 5:01 PM:I'm not 'Foolish' but I've been following this very closely and Fabiani has repeatedly said they plan on utilizing this stadium as many of the 365 days a year as possible. And no ... he wasn't talking about the office space of whatever else they want to squeeze into the already too small space. How do I know that? Because he said it before the office space idea ever came up. As far as property values ... I don't need statistics to tell me what my experience already has. I used to live near one of the stadiums in Denver, CO. It took a total of about 5 years for the entire area to turn into a major dump. I've also visited many stadiums across the country and have yet to see one that I would want to live near. It doesn't happen right away ... but it always happens.

Long Time oside Resident wrote on Aug 24, 2007 9:24 AM:I don't think one can compare a stadium in CO (or any other state for that matter) to one along the So. CA coast. Interesting enough though, the Qualcomm area doesn't seem rundown, until you go south across I8. I'm still not convinced about year round use, although I welcome the idea and wouldn't mind if my kids got to practice or play soccer/football on the field from time to time. Bottom line here is that we could go round & round on the issue and never get anywhere. We simply can't make an educated decision on the issue until all the facts and a proposal are on the table.

To Long Time Oside Resident wrote on Aug 24, 2007 12:03 PM:I agree that there is little if any comparison between CO & CA. However, there is great comparisons to be made from one stadium polluted area to another. You can sit around and play the 'wait & see' game with your quality of life & property values if you want (if you're even in the affected area). I, however, will not. I have a beautiful 7 figure home in Fire Mountain that I was planning on retiring in that will go on the market quickly if the Goat Hill location is approved for this type of use because I didn't spend 1 mil + on a house to live next to a stadium. I'll have to take that money (along with my family and businesses) to another city. Again, bring the Chargers for sure ... but only if you can put them in a place that doesn't destroy existing neighborhoods.

Don't Get It wrote on Aug 24, 2007 2:03 PM:Why does everyone seem to be stuck in an all or nothing mind set? Why do so many people think a stadium is the only answer for OSide? There are so many more attractive and viable options. The upscale restaurant that has committed is a good example and a good start. Goat Hill could be developed into a beautifully upscale area that consists of multi use (some park, some shopping, some office for example) that would fit much more nicely into the area as well as the city. I've heard other options are being explored and (not that I believe but) I would be interested in hearing about what those are as well.

The Miz wrote on Aug 25, 2007 3:21 AM:To the Go Away Chargers Group: Why are you using the Charger logo without the permission of the NFL and the Chargers? Your blatant trademark infringement displays your ignorance of the business of an NFL team.

No Infringement wrote on Aug 25, 2007 2:25 PM:They can use the logo the same as someone could to set up a fan site. The problem typically comes in when someone tries to profit from it.

FTM wrote on Aug 27, 2007 6:48 PM:The Chargers can spend 15 million apeace on starters? Okay, you want a stadium in Oceanside: The price is two new Elementary Schools, one new High School, a complete downtown gaslamp quarter, and another 60 million for Goat Hill. That's a paultry 160 Million. I'm a resident, and I'm not giving up Goat Hill for chump change. I HAVE THE VOTE, so if Fabiani want's his big gateway to his Orange County fans he's gotta pony up MAJOR money, otherwise, we don't need it.

Thunder&Lightning wrote on Aug 29, 2007 12:28 PM:This insightful article sums up far better than I why a stadium would benefit O-Side, which by the way, leads SD County in foreclosures: A great museum is an asset. A symphony hall is an asset. A great park is an asset. A major convention center is an asset. And a professional sports team is an asset. It has to do with the complete quality of life and the well-rounded image any community wishes to portray. Pro teams are an offshoot of quality of life Minneapolis Star Tribune August 27, 2007 Sports can unify communities and inspire nations, but they are just the frosting on the cake of a thriving economy. On July 29, an extraordinary event took place in the world of sports. A beleaguered, underdog Iraqi soccer team beat three-time champion Saudi Arabia 1-0 to win the Asia Cup. OK, so this was not the World Cup, and ordinarily this match would not have been noted outside the Middle East. But consider this: Iraq had just been through it's second war in 15 years and is embroiled in what most experts consider to be a civil war, in which all the war's sectarian adversaries are also represented on the championship team. Add to that the fact that those cheering the Iraqi victory included not only those factions fighting in the insurgency but the U.S. troops who defeated the Iraqi Army and are still fighting the insurgency. A little improbable you say? You could say so. But sports historically have had a special ability to influence events far beyond the importance of the contest alone. It is this unique ability to affect our emotions that make most of us sports fans. One man, Jesse Owens, was able to defy the racist theories of the Nazi regime as he won four gold medals in the 1936 Olympic Games in Berlin. Who can forget the U.S. hockey team's victory in the 1980 Olympics over the Soviet Union at Lake Placid, at a time when the U.S. was questioning its confidence to continue fighting the Cold War. Next year, sports will again be used to showcase a political system, when the Peoples Republic of China hosts the Olympic games in Beijing. Sporting events can put a nation or a community on an emotional high that can help elevate its people with a feeling of super citizenship -- or even unite citizens who have suffered serious social disruption. In 1968, the Detroit Tigers won the World Series and helped soothe the pain caused by the race riots of 1967, when large parts of the city were burned to the ground. In Minnesota, we saw what a winning team can do to boost the community's spirit when the Twins won their first World Series in 1987. At the same time, there have been some very negative influences caused by the actions of players, teams and owners. Players and owners sometimes forget that they are part of the larger community and should behave accordingly. Michael Vick is the latest example. But perhaps the best known example was the relocation of the Brooklyn Dodgers from New York to Los Angles in 1957, a move that also helped trigger the move of the New York Giants to San Francisco. Brooklyn fans NEVER forgave owner Walter O'Malley, who claimed that he would have stayed had he been allowed to build a NEW STADIUM in Brooklyn. Now where have we heard that before? In Minnesota, new stadiums for the Twins and the University's football Gophers are under construction. The Vikings are hoping to get public help to build a stadium on the site where the Metrodome now stands. Part of the argument for public investment is to keep the teams here and to protect our quality of life and brand equity. In many cases, these sports teams give a lot to a community. But they often ask a lot as well. With a few exceptions, the argument that the community should be willing to subsidize the sports teams for the benefit of the community can be considered legitimate. But there is another side to this equation. The businesses that were founded and grown in this state have provided much of the raw materials for the development of the quality of life most of us enjoy. The families and shareholders who have not only put their time, talent and treasure into building these companies have, for the most part, stayed in the community and helped to create and fund institutions such as the Minnesota Orchestra, the Guthrie Theater, the St. Paul Chamber Orchestra, the Science Museum and the Ordway Theater. Then there are the thousands of jobs created by the companies born and bred in Minnesota, such as Cargill, H.B. Fuller, Dayton Hudson (now Target), Medtronic, Pillsbury, General Mills, Northwest Airlines and 3M, to name just a few. These companies have helped provide the economic wherewithal that allows Minnesotans to provide a future for themselves and for their families, and for the companies to produce the kind of profit that allows for the support of the sports teams and arts organizations. In many ways Minnesota is more fortunate than most states. We have four major professional sports teams and a Big Ten university that have given us entertainment, pride and the recognition that comes to a major metropolitan area with similar franchises. But as the football, hockey and basketball seasons are about to resume, we should all recognize that it is not the sports teams that have created our quality of life. Rather it is our economic quality of life that has allowed the sports teams to thrive.