File Conspiracy Charges wrote on Sep 25, 2007 10:18 PM:Conspiracy charges should be filed against each government employees who conspires with an illegal immigrant to allow an illegal immigrant to violate immigration laws. The excuse of so-called discretion in enforcement is merely entrenched corruption.

bryan wrote on Sep 25, 2007 10:28 PM:Bush has made an agreement with mexico, we US taxpayers support the mexican illegals in the US and bush gets access to mexicos oil fields. Its all about oil for this slimy president.

Skip wrote on Sep 25, 2007 10:33 PM:Finally a decent story on the costs of Illegal Immigration, to San Diego. And for that matter it could apply to almost every major city in the United States.

Unfair wrote on Sep 25, 2007 10:38 PM:You cannot sue the government unless they give you permission to do so but perhaps there is some inventive way to get the money. Maybe we should not pay them or withhold services to them whatever it takes. We are being bled dry by illegals and it has to stop.

THIS SAYS IT ALL ! wrote on Sep 25, 2007 10:39 PM:THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS NOT STOPPED ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS FROM CROSSING THE BORDER AND USING SERVICES THAT TAXPAYERS PAY FOR

Yeah welcome to our world Canada wrote on Sep 25, 2007 10:43 PM:...AND it seems Canada is the new place that illegals are flocking to. AMEN! The guy in charge of Windsor is just a bit upset because there are 300 illegals in his town and it's already cost him in excess of $300,000.00 and their even "dropping babies" OH MY GOD!!!!

Dixie wrote on Sep 25, 2007 10:58 PM:Good for them!!!!!!!!

ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION CAUSING GLOBAL WARMING! wrote on Sep 25, 2007 11:05 PM:Immigration Is Primary Factor Driving Population Growth In America. Diana Hull, President of CAPS commented, "The number one factor driving this country's population growth is mass immigration and it’s continuing unabated." More people mean more cars, more energy production, more air pollution and, if greenhouse gases are a bigger problem than previously thought, overpopulation must take a very large share of the blame.

AND THEN THIS STORY COMES ALONG ......... wrote on Sep 25, 2007 11:09 PM:RE: Most Commented-On wrote on Sep 25, 2007 9:16 PM: " I have noticed recently that in the "Most Commented Section" there has been a dramatic decrease of stories relating to Illegal Immigration, and Illegal Alien crime. The posts are getting few and far between and the stories seem to be quickly buried. Now I figure one of two thins is happening, either the issues attributed to Illegal Aliens are in a serious decline, or the NCT does not want to have the reputation of being an Illegal Alien sounding board. Maybe it is time for Mr. Sifuentes to write another story, because in the past the norm in the Most Commented section was to have about 50% of stories relating to Illegal Immigration. " I may have been wrong .......... LOL

What if Los Angeles Mayor Villaraigosa becomes governor? wrote on Sep 25, 2007 11:12 PM:As a citizen of California I'm terrified this guy could become the the next Calif. governor....Walter Moore who wants to run against Villaraigosa for the Mayor of Los Angeles in 2009, was a guest on the Al Rantel show KABC Los Angeles last night...Moore says Villaraigosa has a very good chance of being elected governor in 2010...We need to make sure Villaraigosa doesn't win the next election for Mayor, or else if he wins the election for Mayor the chance he will run for governor and win is very high...Villaraigosa only represents illegal aliens and was a gang member in his youth. He still caters to the gangs and was a member of La Raza, Mecha and he also was president of the ACLU... A year ago he was out supporting illegals during their protests-marches ...This guy has already done major damage to California. If this guy wins governor,probably most Americans citizens will be forced to leave the state of California. Or they will be taxed out of their homes to pay for all the illegal alien social programs. I just hope Americans wake up so that this possible nightmare never happens. Molly

Mike wrote on Sep 25, 2007 11:42 PM:Kudos, Supervisors. Creative and long overdue. Stop these federal unfunded mandates. While you're at it, send another bill to Mexico and don't forget to charge interest for late payment!

get to the root of the problem! wrote on Sep 26, 2007 12:21 AM:At first glance, this article seems to be written with the correct idea of pointing out at least one problem that illegal aliens cause us. Then you see how they snuck in some bogus claim that illegals pay into the system some huge amount. Please...come on. Most illegal aliens don't pay taxes. Most work under the table because they can't legally work. Those that do are stealing the identities of those of us that do legally work and pay taxes..... and cost us even more. Please give me a break. Sure, we should be reimbursed for the huge expense that these people bring on us in order to provide corporations with cheap labor, but first and foremost we need to punish the corporations that hire these people at not just the tax payers expense but our American societies' expense. Then, we wouldn't need to be reimbursed. Nor have any of the other MULTITUDE of problems that illegal aliens import here.

Greg in Oceanside wrote on Sep 26, 2007 1:29 AM:I think San Diego County is low-balling the federal government. The actual "costs" of illegal immigration is probably much higher, but who's counting? Healthcare is one example. We pay too much in taxes as it is, so why give the feds a reason to tax us even more. Our healhcare insurance is high because insurance companies have to cover the costs not being picked up by illegal alens running up a tab and then skipping out on paying their bill. The price each of us pays for Uninsured Motorist coverage in our Auto insurance is another example. Illegal aliens are notorious for driving without insurance, and they're much more likely to "hit and run." I think we all have a real good idea of those "hidden costs" associated with illegal immigration, and we all need R-E-L-I-E-F !

The World Should Sent America a Bill wrote on Sep 26, 2007 2:01 AM:The bill would be for trillions of dollars for the damage to the enviroment. The wholesale abuse of resources by America is sickening. America is 5% of the worlds population, yet we use 25% of the resources.

Randy wrote on Sep 26, 2007 2:11 AM:For decades, San Diego County hospitals have been billing the county for indigent care to no avail.

We are being taxed wrote on Sep 26, 2007 3:34 AM:out of our homes, in the form of Bond Measures, which should be deemed illegal. We had a School bond tax, then a fire and police bond, then a PPH tax (still no sign of a new hospital) a Palomar College bond and now I got a brochure about another possible school bond tax (not enough classrooms facilities) How about ridding the schools of illegals and then maybe there would be plenty of room in the classes. I am being forced out of my home by all these bonds.

Vistan wrote on Sep 26, 2007 4:54 AM:By billing the Federal government the U.S. taxpayer still winds up paying the cost of illegal immigration. The bill should have been sent to the Mexican government.

tiredofapathy wrote on Sep 26, 2007 6:06 AM:Excellent idea! Now if we can get every US county to do the same and then calculate a total from all submissions, we might even discover that the figure is equal to or surpasses the current national debt!

The Government wrote on Sep 26, 2007 6:18 AM:doesn't want to give up the 7 billion in taxes that are paid through phoney social security numbers. Unclaimed money! Why would the government want to close the borders?

another way to wrote on Sep 26, 2007 6:37 AM:get county money back from the feds, is to send all IRS money due to the FEDS/IRS and send a receipt from the county along with your tax returns. This way our taxes have been paid and the ciizen of San Diego don't suffer. Then the county can bill the Feds for the remaing balance.

good luck wrote on Sep 26, 2007 6:51 AM:I think its a great idea unfortunately the people in charge were elected by YOU. San Diego county voted republican.

RR wrote on Sep 26, 2007 7:01 AM:I despise Bush as much as the next guy, but these supervisors may have upped his stupidity. Quit being duped by this non issue and do your job.

Kris wrote on Sep 26, 2007 7:31 AM:While I'm glad the Supervisors are trying to do something about illegal immigration and pointing out the expense of illegal immigration in our own area, Federal tax dollars is still money out of the taxpayers pockets. The truth is we already have 9 guestworker programs that need fixing already. They are abused by businesses and the government can't seem to stay on top of the overstayed visa's. We have non violent prisoners that can pick produce for the farmers. It's working in Colorado. This program helps the taxpayers, farmers and prisoners. Our borders need to be secured for many reasons and illegal immigration is just one of them. Google terrorists coming through our Southern border. Google Sheriff Flores from Texas. For the comment obove about the LA Mayor google Villaraigosa's relationship with MECHA. The voters better hope he doesn't become governor of this state. The democrats in our state assembly and state senate are for amnesty. California Citizen's need to look at their voting records. Thank you supervisors and Bilbray.

Maria wrote on Sep 26, 2007 7:42 AM:Way to go County Supervisors!

What about schools? wrote on Sep 26, 2007 7:52 AM:This study did not take into account all the property tax money being spent to educate illegal alien children and children of illegal aliens. This is by far the single biggest cost of illegal immigration. Why did this study not count this? Because the liberal courts have ruled that schools cannot solicit the immigration status of students or their parents. We will never recover tax money from the feds. Our only recourse is to stop the bleeding by insisting the border fence get built, labor laws are enforced (employers heavily fined), and politicians who wave the carrot of amnesty to all would-be illegal immigrants are voted out.

TO: What if: wrote on Sep 26, 2007 7:58 AM:The mayor of Los Angeles has no chance of winning ub 2009. He has a problem keeping his pants up. There is a huge scandal with regards to him and that anchor woman of a spanish speaking station. Also, he pushes water conservation yet is one of the biggest abusers in Los Angeles.

Suzette wrote on Sep 26, 2007 8:03 AM:Leave it to Bill Horn to try to pass the buck. He orders this useless and admittedly antecdotal study and now wants to "symbolically" bill the President. I think Bill Horn should pay the bill for this ridiculous study. I don't remember reading about the contributions of the immigrants which they do contribute even if you all want to deny it. Perhaps a more scientific study would be taken seriously. Mr. Horn is such a joke.

Why don't we take it out wrote on Sep 26, 2007 8:15 AM:of all the senators and representatives that support legalization of all these illegals! THEY should pay the bill. Oh yes and lets send one to the ACLU!!!!

o2cool1 wrote on Sep 26, 2007 8:38 AM:Did anyone figure out how much they brought to the county, after all they do have to spend the money they earn in order to live here.

Incredulous wrote on Sep 26, 2007 8:44 AM:Perhaps this sounds naive or imbecilic but when I was a child my father informed me about what it means to be an accessory to a crime. He added that if I didn't report the crime to the authorities, I myself would be just as guilty of the crime as the transgressors themselves. I can't help but see this principle when I think about the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT ISSUE. Because of its hypocrisy, because of its greed, the current administration has made all us Americans accessories and therefore lawbreakers--on a very grand scale. I'm getting real tired of all this corruption. Deport them, deport them all!

Education costs! wrote on Sep 26, 2007 9:25 AM:Finally the tide is turning. Americans are tired of paying for Illegal Aliens! I wish someone would do a comprehensive study focusing on the cost of educating Illegal Alien children. I believe everyone should get a decent education, but American students should come first. Mexico should educate Mexicans. My son had to work his butt off at Vista High School to stay in AP classes because the teachers of the regular classes spent more than half their time trying to explain the lessons to the non-English speakers. Also, to the person who commented about Villar becoming the next Governor of California... Beware! I've mentioned this before and no one has addressed this issue - Just who will be voting in the upcoming elections? I don't have to show an ID, do you? Will illegals be able to vote? What will prevent them from doing so? I can't get any straight answers on this frightening issue!

Sad, but true wrote on Sep 26, 2007 9:27 AM:Even if the number isn't set in stone, it makes anyone paying taxes and insurance cringe to know just how much illegals cost us. And, we wonder why we have to bear the expense when the corporations are getting the benefits. This is outrageous!

What's Missing? wrote on Sep 26, 2007 9:35 AM:Where is the commitment that the Supervisors will make the County Sheriff's Department enforce immigration laws. I would venture to say most illegals reside or work in unincorporated areas where the groves and flower fields are. To bad we don't have a Sheriff like the one in Arizona rather than the political hack we have now.

It only follows wrote on Sep 26, 2007 9:38 AM:..that if we are successful in ridding this country of all illegal aliens, global warming would surely stop! Come on people, pull your heads out of the sand and think realistically about this. The main driver of illegal immigration is the economy. We've had a great run with healthy and maybe obscene increases in corporate and personal wealth. This both increases the demand for labor, and makes those sharing in the wealth more selective about the jobs they are willing to do. A vacum is created for cheap labor, many turn a blind eye, and all of a sudden we wake up with a sense of outrage and indignation. We are now headed for a recession, so peoples sense of what work they're willing to do will change, and push alot of the illegal immigrants out of non-agricultural jobs. Well, now is the time to strike. Now is the time for the govt to design a system that allows them to know who everyone is. yes, it's that issue that brings the right wing and the ACLU together - the national ID card! Bring it on! In a sense, we already have one - the drivers license, or the passport, or the socila security card. What about our privacy, you say? Well, thanks to the Patriot act, privacy is pretty much gone, so why not? We don't need a wall, we don't need to turn our police into border patrol, we don't need to raid chicken houses. We just need to show our ID card th prove that we're in this country legally.

Aloha Jo wrote on Sep 26, 2007 9:51 AM:Great job San Diego!!

Bill wrote on Sep 26, 2007 9:53 AM:good luck--he obsessed with his trillion dollar personal war in iraq.

Good Job wrote on Sep 26, 2007 10:06 AM:I'm glad that the superviosrs are doing this, and I hope that they work closely with our congressional representatives, including our senators. We need to be collecting information on the actual usage of services by illegal immigrants, and the hospitals and schools should be given the responsibility of doing so. I also support the idea of sending a bill to Mexico (and Brazil and the other countries with significant numbers of illegal immigrants); if nothing else, the publicity should bring some attention to this problem.

Tricia wrote on Sep 26, 2007 10:16 AM:Let's do something about the sanctuary city we live in. I wish the goverment would cut off all funding of cities that harbor these illegals. Maybe then Los Angeles, San Diego, San Francisco, and the list goes on, would stop catering to them. I am sure our mayors would sit up and take notice. Mr. Bilbray has a lot of power to do something here but I am not seeing it get done. What are you waiting for?

Great wrote on Sep 26, 2007 10:48 AM:Also, send the bill to Mexico.

Jeff wrote on Sep 26, 2007 12:10 PM:We've been here before. California did much the same thing in the past and was ignored and San Diego County will be too. Of course the potential political impact could be vastly enlarged if the county made it clear that it was the taxpayer's money and not the county government's. If say property taxpayers were given a notice of their share of the reimbursement if the feds came through, that would be way more effective than if people thought it would just go to government whose number one constituency is its employees. The National Research Council put the average fiscal cost of immigration to each California native household at close to $1200. That study is a decade old and it lead author, James Smith of the Rand Corporation who is an amnesty proponent, said it would be much more now. And of course those in San Diego County are going to be affected more than average because of its proximity to the border.

Patrick wrote on Sep 26, 2007 12:22 PM:What a colossal waste of time and money! If you think the Federal Government has any intention of sealing up our borders you are so wrong! Checkout the Bush/Fox plan of 2005: "Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America". North American Union here we come!

Thanks MALDEF LULAC ACLU wrote on Sep 26, 2007 1:08 PM:Google "History of Proposition 187" and see how a handful of left wingers thwarted the will of the people of California, placing taxpayers in everlasting bondage to the illegals. Democracy is dead in California. Free speech is still alive... for now.

You have to be wrote on Sep 26, 2007 1:54 PM:careful alot of these liberal internet news agencies are only good for toliet paper, just as the newspaper medias are too.

Cal wrote on Sep 26, 2007 1:55 PM:Maybe Bush will send an anecdotal payment.

$1,200?!?!?! wrote on Sep 26, 2007 1:57 PM:OK, double it and say its $2,400 dollars per year per household...That's cheap! If I pay $2,400 per year, I get to realize higher returns on my investments and a bigger bottom line on my small business? This is the cost of cheap labor in agriculture and construction and personal services? If this is true, we'd be NUTS to crack down on illegal immigration!!! Where are we going to get a return like that anywhere else? The cost of creating the infrastructure to "do it right" would be ten times that much! No wonder nothing gets done....heck, I'm a convert - bring 'em on in!!!

oufoolu wrote on Sep 26, 2007 2:57 PM:o2cool1 wrote: 'Did anyone figure out how much they brought to the county...'. You go right ahead and commission a study to figure how much these big spenders added to our economy and get back to us when you're done, OK?

What about Mexico's costs? wrote on Sep 26, 2007 3:05 PM:Every time I go shopping in TJ, I stop by one of the many state-of-the-art hospitals for a free MRI and Cat Scan. They never charge me. If we are too tough on illegal aliens, they may cut off all the free MRIs in TJ. Next year I will start sending my kids to the awesome public schools in TJ, so please don't jeopardize that opportunity with your racist hatred. It's a two-way street and Mexico is definitely stepping up to the plate. Mexico pays way more than its fair share! Stop hating!

Horn is ALWAYS grand standing wrote on Sep 26, 2007 3:18 PM:Horn is like a leaf in the wind - his political views mirror the public opinion polls of the hour and depend on where we're at in terms of re-elections. He's been re-elected, so it's safe for him to say he's against illegal immigration. When he's trying to keep his seat on the Board, he sings a different tune.

Inaction by Bush wrote on Sep 26, 2007 3:41 PM:is what's feeding the anti-illegal alien backlash! If he would at least ACTUALLY try to secure the border, people would not be so upset. The voting public is waking up to the Administration's incompetence and arrogance (not just as it relates to Iraq & Hurricane Katrina, but on border security). Bush's love for illegal aliens is actually starting to hurt their efforts to be granted a pathway to citizenship. W has him one of them there credibility problems. He best be fixin' to act like a real leader and restore order before the US descends into a state of civil unrest. I used to think he was not very bright, now I believe he is just quite evil and greedy.

What about those MRIs? wrote on Sep 26, 2007 4:20 PM:Someone please provide details. You mean any American citizen can walk into a TJ hospital and demand a free MRI and CAT scan and get it the same day?

Nick wrote on Sep 26, 2007 4:41 PM:As usual, "Suzette" is campaining for all the ILLEGALS. Sure Suzette, they contribute, but not nearly as much as they take and take and take and take. There is absolutley nothing fair about it, Period! America did just fine without 30 million Illegals and we can do it again. It's time to start deporting them one and all!

ILLEGAL ENTRY JUST ONE OF MANY CRIMES wrote on Sep 26, 2007 4:49 PM:http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/07/15/opinion/commentary/20_19_267_14_07.txt

Skip wrote on Sep 26, 2007 6:02 PM:A common tactic employed by immigration proponents is to accuse opponents of racism. They charge that opponents want to deny a new breed of immigrant the chance to become Americans as many of our immigrant forefathers did. They paint a Norman Rockwell-type picture of honest, hard working immigrants, planting gardens, working in fields, doing the work "no Americans want to do.

Sue other countries? wrote on Sep 26, 2007 6:22 PM:A federal judge this month found Iran at fault in the death of a San Diego student in a terrorist attack by Hamas in Israel and awarded $13 to the young woman's estate. When illegal aliens harm Americans inside the U.S. there are no assets to sieze since the aliens wire much of their earnings out of the country. Should American families sue the illegal alien's home country for compensation?

Skip wrote on Dec 31, 1969 4:00 PM: wrote on Sep 26, 2007 6:45 PM:RE: ISkip wrote on Dec 31, 1969 4:00 PM >>>>I remember those days. There was less then 200 million people in the United States. Now we are past 300 Million and will probably pass 400 Million in my lifetime. Why is it that everyone longs for the good old days.

HAPPY wrote on Sep 26, 2007 11:40 PM:HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY.

redpony wrote on Sep 27, 2007 2:12 AM:OMG. They only get reimbursed 2.3 million. Geez. No wonder they are broke. A major flaw in our immigration system is that the people responsible for enforcing the immigration laws are not responsible for the cost of immigration. I think we should change this. If the Federal Government is responsible for enforcement of immigration laws then they should be responsible for all of the costs associated with immigration. And I mean all the costs. If the responsibility of the cost lies on the states, then they states should have full authority to enforce immigration laws.....and to write immigration laws in their state. The states would then have varied laws on immigration....but so what? States have varied laws on everything else and that works. It is suppose to work that way. People in different states and regions have different needs and preferences. So the laws for each state reflect that and that is as it should be.

unfair wrote on Sep 27, 2007 8:14 AM: Let's send all the bleeding-heart for amnesty liberals the entire bill for all the services the taxpayers are strapped with. Let's also bill the ACLU for their support for "Illegal Aliens" When that is all said and done, send all illegals back!!!!!-

Former Californian: wrote on Sep 27, 2007 10:25 AM:County supervisors, we support you! Good luck! Set a precedence for the rest of the states.

Focus here wrote on Sep 27, 2007 11:09 AM: "Leave it to Bill Horn to try to pass the buck. He orders this useless and admittedly antecdotal study and now wants to "symbolically" bill the President. I think Bill Horn should pay the bill for this ridiculous study. I don't remember reading about the contributions of the immigrants which they do contribute even if you all want to deny it. Perhaps a more scientific study would be taken seriously. Mr. Horn is such a joke." Forget the Horn bashing, obviously a favorite pasttime for some. Try to forget the race or partisan BS. You miss the point. This study was on how much illegal immigrants cost the county. You and I. How much is paid out and not re-couped. This argument that they contribute to the local economy is blind. Yeah, they pay sales tax. They go into a local establishment and they pay sales tax. Less than 3% of that tax stays here. Yet the study point out how much local tax money is spent on them. Shift the burden, allow locals to recover costs. Why should I have to pay my tax dollars for that, and have less money to pave my local roads?

kc wrote on Sep 27, 2007 2:14 PM:Its an interesting approach,but as long as San Diego continues to act like a snactuary city,then what is the point. San Diego is allowing it to happen.

Bobby wrote on Sep 27, 2007 3:03 PM:It never ceases to amaze me how utterly out of control and helpless, Americans are to deal with this illegal immigration phenomenon. The Revanchists in Mexico, especially,must get quite a kick out of all of this. They must be thinking the Americans want people to perform cheap labor but they don't want to pay. Hey, that's exactly what we want from them, and that's why they are leaving Mexico. A real circus, I would say.

Steve wrote on Sep 28, 2007 1:19 PM:It's an empty gesture made by a Republican dominated county! Called sensationalism....-

Mexican president tells U.S. governors: migration inevitable wrote on Sep 28, 2007 9:36 PM:http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/09/28/news/nation/18_41_549_27_07.txt

Brian wrote on Sep 29, 2007 12:20 AM:Illegal immigrants are eligible to receive emergency services, pregnancy services and there are loop holes that enable some to receive full scope treatment for cancer, AIDS and dialysis. For the children, there are accelerated enrolment programs through the schools that enable them to receive full scope medical for periods of time. Newborns are eligible to Food Stamps and cash aid which is paid directly to the illegal parents. Of course they are going to come. What have they got to loose, when the American taxpayer will pick up the bill.