Activists protest in front of Fallbrook church
By: North County Times | ∞
FALLBROOK ---- Anti-illegal immigration activists protested again Saturday in front of St. Peter's Catholic Church in Fallbrook and said they planned to present its leaders with a petition demanding they close a day-labor hiring site on the church's property.
About 40 San Diego Minutemen members and supporters participated in the demonstration, which lasted more than two hours along South Stage Coach Lane. Holding American flags and signs that bore messages such as "Hire a Marine, not an illegal," the protesters were watched by a handful of San Diego County sheriff's deputies across the street and several dozen Latino men standing in a covered area that serves as the informal hiring site.
The Minutemen began targeting the church with protests this summer, saying it is breaking the law by allowing the day laborers to gather there. On Saturday, San Diego Minutemen founder Jeff Schwilk showed reporters a petition he said was signed by 289 Fallbrook residents who want the hiring site shut down.
Schwilk said he planned to give the petition to the Rev. Edward "Bud" Kaicher, who is the church's pastor, later that morning.
Kaicher has said that providing the day laborers with a safe place to gather is part of the church's mission. Reached by phone Saturday afternoon, he declined to say whether he had received the petition or make any other comment.
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What a waste of time!! wrote on Sep 30, 2007 8:05 AM:When will Jeff Scwilk and his ilk get it?? Why do they continue to trample on the rights of others? If Rev. Kaicher is hearing from a higher authority, yes I mean God than who is Jeff Schwilk and his ilk to demand that he obey them and not his God? This is a good story but shows me more than ever that the sdmm and others are wasting their time!!!! They stand around loitering, and that is their complaint about the day laborers! They make racist remarks to people claiming to be asserting their 1st Amendment right but what about the rights of others? I live in Fallbrook and drove by the church what a circus. It was the most ridiculous thing I had ever seen. I believe other avenues must be taken to stop illegal immigration because standing on the sidewalk with a bullhorn is not accomplishing anything. I think most of us ... we really do not want them in our city. If they had almost 300 signatures on some petition ... why did the people who represent these signatures NOT show up? I guess as usual Jeff Schwilk and his ilk took it upon themselves to speak for them. Well you don't speak for me and I will graciously thank you if you leave my city. Oh one more thing please stop abusing Old Glory! She stands for what America is all about and you definately do not! Do your ... deeds without tainting the values of my flag!
HMM.. wrote on Sep 30, 2007 9:15 AM:Get a Life! Why don't they use the church to PRAY, rather than preach. The Minute men should work on cleaning up the GANG BANGERS instead, that is more of a problem than people WANTING to work!!
Jeff Schwilk is so ridiculous wrote on Sep 30, 2007 9:18 AM:"Anti-illegal immigration activists protested again Saturday in front of St. Peter's Catholic Church in Fallbrook and said they planned to present its leaders with a petition demanding they close a day-labor hiring site on the church's property." Operative word here "again" please no not again!!! Yes, Jeff now that you have a petition and you are going to deman this day labor site be closed it will happen!! Please stop already I am getting a stitch from laughing. When will Jeff and his [people] realize that they are all washed up.
Oh come on NCT!!!!!! wrote on Sep 30, 2007 10:02 AM:You call this news? What is going on here? Why do you continue to report on the antics of vigilantes acting badly? Has the news pool dried up? Get some real stories out there with some real substance.
Oh no, not again wrote on Sep 30, 2007 10:16 AM:I sure hope this is last we will be hearing from this group of juvenile deliquents. Oh what you mean these are grown up men and women behaving in this uncivilized manner? Well for sure than they should grow up and realize that this is a free country and they should start respecting the rights of others while exercising theirs. The Constitution and the rights provided are a two way street! I think it is time for Jeff Schwilk and the likeminded start to yield the right of way to others. When will they come to realize that they are not the only ones who have rights!!!!
Suzette wrote on Sep 30, 2007 10:39 AM:Poor Jeff and his [people]. They just can't seem to get a good story. I read this story and I re-read this story and it still says nothing!!! I guess it is just telling the tale of the SDMM they are just nothing. Is there nothing better to write about? Lets see, I saw a opossum crossing the street last in Vista, I think this is more newsworthy than anything that Jeff and his cohorts do!!!
No more wrote on Sep 30, 2007 12:33 PM:You open borders people can blog all you want, but you cannot beat or break the spirit of a true American. No matter how many dirty tricks you play or how many lies you tell, we will get our country back. FYI, we do pray, we pray that GOD save us from the invasion ...
Law abiding citizen (aka one of Jeff's ilk) wrote on Sep 30, 2007 12:34 PM:A blogger suggests: "The Minute men should work on cleaning up the GANG BANGERS instead, that is more of a problem than people WANTING to work!! " DUH! That's just what the Minutemen are doing by fighting illegal immigration. Illegal immigration brings ... GANG BANGERS!
Clea wrote on Sep 30, 2007 1:00 PM:If being vigilant about exposing people who violate the laws of our land, harbor rapists and would be murderers constitutes being a 'vigilante' then we need many more vigilantes doing what our government won't do. Crossing our borders illegally, working illegally and yes, hiring those who are here illegally is ILLEGAL! If the church really cared about these people, they would assist them in promptly returning home to their own country and help spread the word that to come to the US they must do it LEGALLY and safely without having to pay coyotes or risk their lives in the process. It is quite transparent that the church really cares more about the money they bring in than about these human beings in search of a better life. LEGAL Immigration is a Godly way to go. We should love, embrace and encourage LEGAL immigration and discourage ILLEGAL immigration and the ills which accompany it.
Sandee wrote on Sep 30, 2007 1:13 PM:When our hospitals are all shut down, schools over over flowing and the water runs out, who will you pro illegal immigration people whine to? Maybe Mexican Presidente Calderon? Good luck amigos!
Washed up is right.... wrote on Sep 30, 2007 1:16 PM: The North County Times did a responsible job in reporting this non-event. The Minutemen simply wanted to use the press to spread their venomous hate and anti-immigrant hysteria. It didn't work. They'll try again, and again it won't work. People are looking for solutions and rational debate on this issue. They'll never get it from the Minutemen.
OPEN BORDERS COMMENTS SUCK wrote on Sep 30, 2007 4:01 PM:ANYBODY WHO READS THESE COMMENTS KNOWS THAT THEY WERE ALL WRITTEN BY ONE OR TWO PEOPLE, POSTING OVER AND OVER AGAIN. IF YOU THINK THE MINUTEMEN PROTESTS ARE A WASTE OF TIME, JUST LOOK AT ALL THE LAME COMMENTS FULL OF MINDLESS RACE-BAITING RHETORIC!
To NCT's wrote on Sep 30, 2007 4:44 PM:Stop editing my blogs. I commented on the Rape in Bonsall but you ommited it. It is a real crime that ocuured and the public has a right to know ... Editor's note: Nobody has been convicted in this crime. We will not allow any comments suggesting guilt until a jury says someone is guilty.
Dinah wrote on Sep 30, 2007 5:58 PM:I wish I lived near the protest area! I would join the Minutemen and woman! Woo Woo you patriots continue with the protests! More Americans are rooting for ya! I would say 98% of all Americans are rooting for you! Isn't that why Amnesty and the Dream Act are dead? Woo Woo go Minutemen and Jeff Scwilk!
borderraven wrote on Sep 30, 2007 6:57 PM:There is no hate in asking the laws be followed, so that laws need not be enforced. There is no hate in shining a light on lawbreakers. I guarantee, that my next visit to St. Peter's church in Fallbrook, will be a loving event. I shall express my love, to the church, and the day laborers.
captain_drew wrote on Sep 30, 2007 9:46 PM:I am Swedish and Irish and if I were to find out there was someone ... here illegally, I would turn them in! It is about THE RULE OF LAW you ignorant race baiters. NOT about 'where' the law breaker is from! I don't care who it is or where they are from, if you are breaking our laws, you need to be punished. I am a former Catholic who is glad he left that Church, when I see people like Father Bud & Bishop Brom so far off the tracks theologically to use their 'authority' to preach heresy. God is NOT happy that people like Father Bud are using His name to break the laws of of the land. ...
Godzilla wrote on Sep 30, 2007 10:28 PM:Harboring and facilitating illegal aliens is a crime and those involved should be punished. When you bring a illegal day laborer home you are also bringing them into your community endangering yourself and others in your neighborhood. People are waking up to these facts and open borders socialists don't have a prayer. Focus your attention on fixing the cesspool from wince you came!!!
Local Hispanic FF wrote on Oct 1, 2007 2:01 AM:alot of this stuff really really bugs me....i am a us citizen and i am mexican, hispanic or whatever you want to call my nationality.....my parents came here illegally and are now us citizens and i currently have family members that are here illegally.....im not neglecting the fact that they did something illegal....but i went through school here and didnt milk the us system or get any monetary help from the gov't. my parents refused to get help, welfare or wic or whatever....my dad worked hard for my brother and i and we are thankful for it. my brother now is going to be a pitcher for a univeristy in the fall and i am a full time firefighter....not everyone that is here illegally is here to hurt the usa or take advantage of its programs....i was completely disrespected by a minuteman member due to my race and that person didnt even know nothing about me....i more than likely have a better job and education than him....and guess what i didnt use scholarships or "free" money to get through school i worked my butt off....long story short minutemen...-
To Loca Hispanic FF wrote on Oct 1, 2007 7:32 AM:These comments are NOT towards you OR me. I'm a legal citizen through naturalization as well. Like you, my parents never took a dime from the system and all of my siblings are successful contributors to society. Sure, you are brown (like me) so the Minutemen profiled you as freeloader. I'd be a little pissed too. The fact is that these folks are fighting the hard fight. There are more and more illegals here everyday sucking the life out of this country. Something has to be done.-
Tony V wrote on Oct 1, 2007 8:11 AM:I think the protest needs to continue to get the message acrossthat Illegal aliens are breaking the law. They should be deported. They can seek forgiveness for their sins from Fr. Bud and then be deported. The church take the lead and demonstrate to itsfollowers that catholics to obey the law not to break the law(especially now with the sex abuse/bankrupscy mess) Keep the protesting coming. Its the only way to drive home the point. illegal aliens are in this country ILLEGALLY. --
Local Jose wrote on Oct 1, 2007 8:38 AM:Look, I am brown too and don't blame the Minutemen for 'jumping to conclusions', because we (as a nation) are being overrun by people who are not as nice and honest like you. You NEED to blame, if you must blame someone, your government, the Mexican government, La Raza, Aztlan and all the others who make no bones about their goal of 'taking over' the Southwest USA. I LOVE the USA, have worn her uniform and certainly DON'T want them to bring the 3rd world to us here. Get over it and join up! It is the bad apples who are giving the brown people a bad rap. This is ALL about our soverignty and the rule of law.-
15 comments, not one posted. wrote on Oct 1, 2007 8:52 AM:Yet they allow hate and filth and lies from anti Americans. Way to protect the 1st Amendment. The "North Commie Times" appellation is becoming more and more apropos.-
To Local Hispanic FF wrote on Oct 1, 2007 10:07 AM:You touch upon a major problem here for LEGAL hispanics. The illegal 3d worlders that are swarming over the border each day are tarring and feathering the GOOD, LEGAL hispanics too. Legal, America loving hispanics need to decide what they want. Order or lawlessness. Get over your dual personality, stand up for America, and stop the invasion. BE AN AMERICAN. Or return to the 3d world.-
NCT is Anti-Free Speech? wrote on Oct 1, 2007 10:36 AM:NCT ia a joke! Siding with pro-illegal...SHAME ON YOU NCT! I am canceling my subscription.-
Bravo Jose wrote on Oct 1, 2007 11:12 AM:I'm just wondering what treatment you have experienced at the hands of the Minutemen, versus your treatment at the hands of the open border crowd? Frankly, as I stand next to my Mexican AMERICAN friends at day labor site protests, I am horrified by the vicious attacks and slurs they receive for loving the USA. God Bless You, Jose. YOU are a real American who unabashedly loves his country, regardless of his ancestry, as all REAL Americans do.-
Where's my comment? wrote on Oct 1, 2007 11:24 AM:I put in two already today, all within censors guidelines. Where are they?
Jeff Boyardee Censored wrote on Oct 1, 2007 11:25 AM:Censors at NC Times taking sides on the issues of our day. NC Times wants open borders
Rape as a Catalyst wrote on Oct 1, 2007 12:15 PM:I believe the alleged rape and stabbing of a woman a few miles from the church by two illegal aliens was the catalyst for this latest protest.-
To Waste wrote on Oct 1, 2007 1:36 PM:Are you just bummed that you are banned from St. Peter's because of your willful lawlessness and your misguided protection of day laborers? You were seen protecting then, again, while REAL Americans were trying to clean up the equally misguided church. We all know you don't waste your time as you are well paid for your treachery.
FALLBROOK LOCAL wrote on Oct 1, 2007 5:08 PM:DON'T YOU MINUTEMEN GOT ANYTHING BETTER ELSE TO DO NO ONE CARES WHAT YOU THINK WHY DON'T YOU GUYS GO FOR A WALK OR PLAY GOLF YOU RACIST!!!!!!
To Washed Up is right wrote on Oct 1, 2007 6:05 PM:Talk about repeated... accusations that the Minutemen are anti immigration. NOTHING is farther from the truth as ALL are aware by now. If you somehow can't, won't or are unable to distinguish between an immigrant and an illegal alien, I suggest you go due South and experience the difference, first hand.
Syl wrote on Oct 1, 2007 8:46 PM:I have counted 3 Rape stories involving Illegal Aliens in California just this week. At least two of the suspects were described as Day Laborers.-
esteban wrote on Oct 2, 2007 5:25 AM:The ... minute men are a big joke. They say they are not racist and that LEGAL immigrants are okay. They are only concerned with getting the ILLEGAL ones out, but when they see the two standing on the street they will tell both of them to go back to where they came from.-
Debbie wrote on Oct 2, 2007 8:52 AM:It's tragic that some Americans (or are they) cannot see the forest for the trees. Our nation and sovereignty are eroding into a globalists agenda and the American citizen is paying the bill. Illegal aliens ARE taking jobs that Americans WILL do and in doing so they are driving down wages as well as quality of work. The Minutemen helped to bring to the attention of our nation the invasion we witness everyday EVEN AFTER 9-11! They have courage and are willing to sacrifice time, energy and fortune to try and help secure America and make it a better place for American citizens. Millions of Americans should be doing the same. We cannot go on being the world's flop house any longer. You better wake up and soon! As Bush pushes through the NAU and SPP, you will witness the total loss of American sovereignty and every right you thought you had! AND YOU WILL FOOT THE BILL!-
To Editors Note wrote on Oct 2, 2007 9:01 AM:Seems you need to practice what you preach. You state that: "Nobody has been convicted in this crime. We will not allow any comments suggesting guilt until a jury says someone is guilty. " Too bad you don't give Jeff Schwilk and the Minutemen the same courtesy. -
Legal Citizen wrote on Oct 2, 2007 10:03 AM:Enough of the "double standards" here. This American is definitely tired of the bull&^$% our so called government isn't taking care of. I am totally 100% for the Minutemen/women, Americans believe it or not do LEGALLY have the right to express their opinions. If I hear one more cry baby alien story I will puke. It is time for the Americans to take a stand against the constant discrimination our officials and government have enforcing on AMERICAN citizens, and to enforce the TRUE 14th AMENDMENT... just like the AMERICAN Constitution says-
Tiny wrote on Oct 2, 2007 11:32 AM:esteban wrote on Oct 2, 2007 5:25 AM: " The ... minute men are a big joke. They say they are not racist and that LEGAL immigrants are okay. They are only concerned with getting the ILLEGAL ones out, but when they see the two standing on the street they will tell both of them to go back to where they came from.- " ------------------------------------------ And Esteban how do you explain that many Minutemen and woman are Mexican Americans? Can't explain can you?
Geneva wrote on Oct 2, 2007 1:22 PM:Most, if not all these comments were written by supporters of illegals. Don't tell me that noone opposes these job robbing people. You certainly don't have to be racist to be against jobs being taken from legal hard working Americans.The jobs for the illegals right now should be to clean up the areas they have trashed as they came into our homeland.-
Cheyenne wrote on Oct 2, 2007 2:24 PM:There is no such thing as "sanctuary" for illegal aliens, anywhere, including churches. This is considered "harboring" and aiding and abeting" illegal aliens, and both are a felony. ~ The United States Immigration and Nationality Act GENERAL CLASSES OF DEPORTABLE ALIENS SEC. 237. [8 U.S.C. 1227] (B) PRESENT IN VIOLATION OF LAW.-Any alien who is present in the United States in violation of this Act or any other law of the United States is deportable. - It is unlawful to enter the U.S.A. without inspection - illegal entry. PRESENT IN VIOLATION OF LAW. - It is unlawful to not register with Immigration Authorities. PRESENT IN VIOLATION OF LAW. - It is unlawful to overstay a visa, not register with Immigration Authorities while on visa, not comply with Immigration Authorities for deportation, etc..... PRESENT IN VIOLATION OF LAW. All illegal aliens are present in violation of law, a federal offense. ANY ALIEN.... PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES IN VIOLATION of this act OR ANY OTHER LAW..... IS DEPORTABLE. IT IS UNLAWFUL FOR ALIENS TO ENTER THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WITHOUT COMPLYING WITH DOCUMENT REQUIREMENTS UNDER THE UNITED STATES IMMIGRATION AND NATIONALITY ACT.
Bobby wrote on Oct 2, 2007 2:31 PM:The stupidness of Americans is mindboggling. You now have the Mexican politcial party PAN, holding meetings and talks about the internal affairs of our country in Los Angeles. Where are the people who protested the channel 62 billboard, Mexico Los Angeles? Forget all of the illegal alien enablers comments on this post. I won't even address them. If the comments are from reconquistas, I understand their motivations, takeover. If the comments supporting illegal immigration are, however from from American citizens, forget it, you are the enemy. Period.
Bobby wrote on Oct 2, 2007 4:26 PM:Cheyenne, thank you for the information about the immigration laws. After reading them I have come to the conclusion that our governor, city officials, state officials, and even President, are according to these laws----criminals by default.
Bernie wrote on Oct 2, 2007 5:25 PM:Thank God for people like the minutemen and other law-abiding Americans. The illegals have only themselves to blame. When they marched illegally with their mexican flags and the American flag upside down, they awoke the Americans and they began a backlash which will continue. Our laws must be enforced, stop the job magnet and these lawbreakers will self deport. Americans are sick and tired of paying for these parasites. Go home and protest to your own corrupt, self-serving governments.
CaliGal wrote on Oct 2, 2007 6:45 PM:The first thing that makes anyone a good American is their ability to follow the law. The United States is a society based on laws, and people should not have the right to pick and choose the laws they are willing to obey. The illegal aliens have no respect for the laws of this nation, if they did they would have come here through the legal process. The American people are under no legal or moral obligation to be taxed into poverty to support illegal alien criminals and that's exactly what illegals who smuggle themselves across the border are: criminals. They broke the law to enter our country. Here in California, we are overrun with illegal aliens, and we have already lost much of life as we knew it. Hospitals are closing, the educational system is in the toilet, the welfare system no longer exists for Americans who need assistance and population growth has encroached on our farm and wetlands. Food, water, gas and electric energy is at an all time low, our resources are stretched to the limits. This illegal alien crisis is not about race, this is about overpopulation and survival. It is about national security. It is about our sovereignty and it is about the rule of law. God Bless the Minutemen & women!
dude wrote on Oct 3, 2007 3:14 AM:at least you are allowed to protest!here in the UK its so politicaly correct you could never do this and the situation is much worse with legal and illigal imigrants swamping in from eastern europe.polish,romanian,bulgarian,albanian etc ect.oficial statistics last year is like 700,000 entered, but its much worse.unemployment for natives has shot up.it would be impossible to protest like what happened in Fallbrook.the UK sucks-
Cmon Now wrote on Oct 3, 2007 1:57 PM:It's really funny that all of you who talk about the "rights" of illegals want the MM to stop using their actual rights (they are US citizens) to assemble and speak freely...and of course when you argument has no basis, you go to the good old fashioned race card. Many people who came here legally from other countries (including me and my family) understand how hard it is to get legal, and how much better it is here than in our homelands, but why should illegals get preferential treatment, when they are ILLEGAL? Lastly, try walking across the border in to Canada or Mexico without passing through customs. I am sure they will welcome you with open arms...yeah, not so much
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