EscoWatchDog wrote on Oct 6, 2007 8:41 PM:I agree..it's another backend poverty draft. Poor kids can't study in this country and get a higher education w/out being indebted to the gov't as military property when they are not allowed a citizenship but are allowed to fight for this country.

Skip wrote on Oct 6, 2007 9:03 PM:As an active duty serviceman I pray to God that they will never let Illegal Aliens join the United States Military in my Lifetime.

Adam wrote on Oct 6, 2007 9:32 PM:Frankly, I think the illegal aliens who managed to enter the country and escape capture by the Border Patrol demonstrate some pretty good skills adaptable for military use.

Big Richard wrote on Oct 6, 2007 9:50 PM:NO NO NO NO NO This is how it will work. Many people will bypass going into the military. They will instead get student loans and go to school where many of them will not graduate and then default on the student loans. They will then be citizens. In addition this article was written by good ol eddy. Do you think he has realy included all the facts?

Jim wrote on Oct 6, 2007 10:29 PM:If we go to this Dream situation, we should also give one felony voucher and one misdemeanor voucher to those of us who were born or naturalized here. Sort of like get out of jail free cards, since we, as a society, are unable to deal with simply securing the border. Homeland Security is a joke, and programs like Dream second the motion.

Dream Act is a Nightmare wrote on Oct 6, 2007 10:33 PM:While the Dream Act may give warm fuzzies to those who want to have illegal immigrants here, it is a nightmare to those of us who are opposed to illegal entry into our country. The Dream Act is just another attempt at comprehensive immigration reform that U.S. citizens rejected overwhelmingly. There is too much amnesty included in it. The chain migration is still there and, in reality, expanded instead of discontinued.

Dana wrote on Oct 6, 2007 10:34 PM:While we can have sympathy for those who were brought here as children, we do not have to give them the country just because they are here demanding it. There are children of U.S. citizens who cannot afford to go to college without incurring nearly insurmountable debt. Millions of citizens' children are being denied the very chance at a better life that you are touting for the children of illegal immigrants and the illegal immigrants themselves.

MVet wrote on Oct 6, 2007 10:37 PM:Obviously these are not the same activists that are criticizing Ken Burns's documentary on World War Two. Where as Mr. Burns made a brilliant documentary that lasted 15 hours, one could also make a separate documentary on Mexico’s involvement in World War 2 in about 15 minutes.

Bob wrote on Oct 6, 2007 10:38 PM:Washington DC - U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) has signed on as a co-sponsor of "The Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act," which would provide qualified undocumented high school students who wish to attend college or serve in the armed forces an opportunity to adjust to a lawful status and pursue these goals. The legislation, known as "The DREAM Act" is sponsored by Senators Orrin Hatch (R-UT) and Richard Durbin (D-IL).

No Amnesty! wrote on Oct 6, 2007 11:51 PM:More pro-illegal babble from Reconquista Eddie! The Dream Act is a Nightmare for America. Hey Ed and Fernando, get it through your thick heads! America says no to Amnesty. No means no!

Let's just send the Mexicans to Iraq wrote on Oct 7, 2007 2:20 AM:It reminds me of Brave Heart, when the English King sent the Irish in first and said 'Thy;re only Irish.' This is just WRONG!

Lilathe wrote on Oct 7, 2007 5:27 AM:"They will instead get student loans and go to school where many of them will not graduate and then default on the student loans" It only requires attending college for 2 years, not passing anything. Nor does it stipulate what kind of college, could be "how to do nails" or art appreciation. So, attending cosmotology courses but not passing allows them to chain in 30 family members including the parents who brought them here illegally in the first place. Plus, notice it goes up to 30 year olds. 30 year olds are not children now are they?

Time to UpriseCitizens!!! wrote on Oct 7, 2007 5:50 AM:There are a Couple of BIG Questions we need to continue to ask ourselfs?? Why if the Federal Goverment to include Congress doesnt listen to the people? and Bush does what he wants regardless of what the United States Citizens wants on this Issue with backs"Illegal Immigrants", are they still there? Bush could have been Impeached numerous times on War Crimes and Liying, Nancy P. Said NO IMPEACHMENT after she took office , We the American People Say no to these Damn Illegals but yet it doesn't matter. Citizens it does matter maybe not for us but for your CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN, AND THERS AS WELL!!! We s American Citizens don't have to take this. Bush says our Economy is strong how so, How many of you have or are losing yur Home? Bush don't have to worry he's a MILLIONAIRE, because of his OIL FIELDS, How many of you have Illnesses you never had? "Illegals" Why do These Illegals get to by houses use false Documentaion to do it, and vehicles then drive with out License's or insurance? We as a Country do not have to take this from Bush or anyone else, The $537 Million dollars a day that Bush spends on the war to get our young Men and Women Injured and Killed would go a long way to our Country. Tell your Represenatives STOP giving assistance to these Illegals with Medical Coverage, Welfare, Hospital, Damit Just say NO!!!! Do allow Illegals to give Birth in the United States and call them citizens. Stop this turmoil now or this world is going to hell in a hand basket!!!

Kel wrote on Oct 7, 2007 6:06 AM:My nephew has a friend who has been in this country since he was 5 years old, he graduated from high school last year. My nephew joined the Marines and his friend wanted to, but technically he is not legal. He has never been in trouble, speaks perfect English and I feel this would be a great opportunity for him. I don't believe in illegal immigration, but some circumstances warrant a chance. I think the age when you came into this country should be lowered to around 10 or as a recent graduate you must speak impeccable English. Serving our country to become a citizen shouldn't be seen as a burden, it should be seen as a wonderful opportunity. If I had it to do over, I would serve my country in a heartbeat. I'm very patriotic and believe legal immigration is the way to get into this country. Being realistic though, something needs to be done.

Al wrote on Oct 7, 2007 6:33 AM:How about we let all these illegals go back to Mexico and serve two years in their military guarding the border and preventing entry into the US? After the service, they can become Mexican citizens.

Nightmare wrote on Oct 7, 2007 7:06 AM:The U.S. is desperate for more cannon-fodder. The few who aren't killed or maimed physically or mentally may have the "good life" of a citizen after they go halfway around the world and kill some innocent Iraqis, Afghanis or Iranians. Some dream.

Pazook wrote on Oct 7, 2007 7:10 AM:Bring back the draft for ALL young Americans, with a choice of college, community service, or the military...with greater credit for military service, to help us back onto the same page , and then also include this type of service for citizenship. Maybe the common experiences, and equalized opportunities would help us to once again become the UNITED States.

Ron wrote on Oct 7, 2007 7:42 AM:Here's an idea. Let them think this is a good idea, come out of the shadows, we can then deport them and they can join the military or go to school in their own country's.

Mike wrote on Oct 7, 2007 8:04 AM:This is slow-motion amnesty. The message is: break our laws by coming here and working illegally, live here for years sucking up free services courtesy of the American taxpayer, get free college tuition and just spend two years in our military and you too will become a citizen. Meanwhile illegals are still incented to flock across the borders and our illustrious politicians can say that they've reduced illegal immigration. I get it: No one loses except the American taxpayer.

Enough! wrote on Oct 7, 2007 8:19 AM:I am sick and tired of all the time, energy and funding targeted to helping illegal aliens. They are criminals for God's sake! Our elected officials need to start focusing on helping and assisting the lives of American Citizens.

Vistulian wrote on Oct 7, 2007 8:27 AM: Anyone who is willing to fight for this country and risk hostile fire is entitled to become a citizen. Call it what you will, amnesty, whatever, this is an honorable solution. As for the lazy anti-war illegal activists who oppose any sacrifice to earn citizenship, they are beneath contempt.

What? wrote on Oct 7, 2007 8:41 AM:No. Let's enforce current law for at least a decade befor we say they don't work. They haven't enforced them for 30 years. 21 years ago they passed comprehensive immigration reform. What it did was tell the people that if you can get here and stay for a decade we would give them citizenship.

Willie wrote on Oct 7, 2007 8:43 AM:The Dream Act, along with revival of the draft, would be positive steps. We should extend military service to a broader segment of the population. Citizen soldiers have long been a moderating force in the professional military, which too often meddles in politics and civilian affairs.

What? wrote on Oct 7, 2007 9:13 AM:No Dream Act for my US born kids? And you want to give away even more stuff to people who aren't supposed to be here? Haven't we already educated them in K-12 for free?

Ron wrote on Oct 7, 2007 9:33 AM:I think one of the major problems is that Americans believe that these young promising students of the future will be taking their jobs and money. The DREAM Act would not be handing these students free money. It will provide students with loans and other options that the students will pay back overtime with a job. As far as American jobs are concerned, there are some who turn away from real immigration issues like cheap labor in the construction industry which thrives on illegal immigrants who may not have much experience. Most of these students have lived here for years without a criminal record. There needs to be some justice for these young people.

Reardon wrote on Oct 7, 2007 9:36 AM:To Willie: Congratulations! Few people have been wrong on two counts in such a short Blog! As a 26 year Vet of an "elite service" I want the guy having my back to WANT to do it! Please note that no one is drafted as a pilot, submariner, Green Beret, Seal, Ranger, etc. Those services want people who want to be there, not someone who has a gun at his back, and all of our services should feel that way as well! As to the DREAM ACT, it should be called the CREAM ACT -- it creams the taxpayer on behalf of people who should not even want to be here! It is not, what is that word the Liberals use…”fair.”

J.W. wrote on Oct 7, 2007 9:50 AM:Are we now going to start paying ILLEGAL Mexican Citizens to fight in Bush's war? This Dream Act is as bad as Bush's amnesty policy. No to anything for illegal alien lawbreakers. They must go back to their homeland. Those who want to come here LEGALLY can pledge to serve in the military to repay America for the privilege of moving here. LEGAL immigrants are welcome. Law breaking illegal aliens are not wanted.

Yup, screw AMERICAN wrote on Oct 7, 2007 9:50 AM:Kids as much as possible. Who cares if those selfish American taxpayers want a better life for their kids? Who cares if Mexico is spending millions to beef up their embassies and consulates in AMERICA to better tell AMERICA how to handle illegal Mexicans. AMERICA needs to stand up to these thugs and DEMAND Mexico spend billions to beef up it's infrastructure, bulid IT'S schools, businesses and farms to provide IT'S citizens with a DREAM in their homeland!!!

Mike wrote on Oct 7, 2007 9:53 AM:Dream Act isn't any nightmare. Those kids are not getting free education from dream act. They will only be able to get loans which they will have to pay back. Those childern entered USA illegally with their parents and it's not their fault.It's better to let them join US army than rapist and murderers. Honestly, I know few students who will benefit from Dream Act. They are hard-working and educated. The only thing that's holding them back from contributing to our society is their illegal status which they got from their parents.

Democrat Robert wrote on Oct 7, 2007 10:00 AM:Rep Bilbray please stand firm on your opposition to this end run attempt by the amnesty granting liberals. Did they already forget the voter outrage in June over the Senate comprehensive bill? It appears so!! How many more bites at this amnesty apple are justified.?..Give it up as this will Durbin Dream will get the same outrage the Senate heard in June.

Mike wrote on Oct 7, 2007 10:05 AM:Dream Act isn't any nightmare. Those children aren't getting free education from Dream Act. They'll only get student loans which they have to pay back. They entered USA illegally with their parents when they were kids and it's not their fault. It's better to let them join US army then letting rapist and murderers. Honestly, I know few students who were brought here when they were 2-3 years old. They are educated and hard working. They are american in every way but only their illegal status is holding them back from conributing to our society.

Serving in OUR Military wrote on Oct 7, 2007 10:05 AM:is a Great Way to EARN Citizenship! If They don't like it, They can LEGALLY stay in Mexico!

No wrote on Oct 7, 2007 10:07 AM:No, No , and NO. We do not want anyone who came here illegally. Sorry, no Vacancies !

sdraoul wrote on Oct 7, 2007 10:36 AM:For those critics who write, NO, NO, NO about passage of the Dream Act and for Skip who alleges he is in the military, three illegal alien Mexicans have been awarded the Medal of Honor in WWII and Vietnam. Mexican citizens, msot here legally, have fought in every war the United States has fought in sicne the Revolutionary War when Mexican, Cuban and Puerto Rican troops under the command of General Bernardo Galvez save Washington's but with money, troops and the defeat of all British forces in the Mississippi Valley and in Florida. General Galvez raised $6-million in Cuba so that washington could pay his mutinous troops at Yorktown who refused to fight until;t hey were paid. They were paid with money from Cuba. In Iraq illegal aliens and former illegal alie4ns have fought from the firtst day. At Ft. Lewis, Washington, an illegal alaien Mexican soldier was discovered and, guess what happened. The army liked this Bronze Medal winner wo much they didn't court martial him, they made him legal so he could stay in the Army because he is, according to the Army, the best. So, Skip, stick it. Moreover, Mexico had combat fliers flying under Gen. McCarthur adn their Flying Eagles (Aguilass) were awarded a Presidential Unit Citiation. They lost only one flier in Pacific combat. And, att he request of the United States, the Mexican Army rounded up German subversives, saboteurs and spies and turned them over to the US where they were incarcerated at Crystal City, Texas. These Germans that the Mexicans arrested were so bad that many were held by the US until 1948. For those kids who have been in country most of their lives and have paid taxes every day of their lives here, not Mexico, we must have the Dream Act for they are qualified by every single regulation of who can attend state colleges and universities while those from outside California are not, without paying higher tuition.

Roy wrote on Oct 7, 2007 10:41 AM:If they are willing to risk their lives for this country then let them have citizenship. They will have sacrificed more than the majority of Americans who have never served at all.

Greg in Oceanside wrote on Oct 7, 2007 11:23 AM:How about a "Dream Act" for US Citizen's kids? How about reduced tuition and scholarships for our kids? I want and demand that my kids, and all the US citizen kids get their fair share and treatment. It's about time we focus on kids born here and who are US CITIZENS, whatever race color and creed they are.

Pazooks on track... wrote on Oct 7, 2007 11:38 AM:So many 18-25 year olds are floundering and apathetic,a stint in some type of civil service might do them all a world of good. Too much time on their hands, even some attending college full time suffer from this. Admittance to any type of program for those not here legally would need to be by merit, ie, high school grad, fluent English speaker. With no strings attached for the parents, nor siblings. Sorry, but my pity has worn thin for these people.

GFN wrote on Oct 7, 2007 11:56 AM:Let's see...we already have a mercernary army that is under the control of...no one. Now we will have 20 divisions of ILLEGALS from another country fighting our wars???? I am living the last few decades of the Roman Empire!!!! Get a History book and read about the last days of Rome; it is us.

Longtime Resident wrote on Oct 7, 2007 12:16 PM:This bill illustrates how our politicians couldn't care less about the people whom they represent. Bills like these undermine the idea of American citizenship, laws, morals, the economy, and quality of life for legal residents - especially the struggling and disappearing middle class. Senator Hatch and his supporters are not welcome in my home, and you voters in Utah should take note.

Karl wrote on Oct 7, 2007 12:44 PM:Roy, What is your definition of sacrifice? "They will have sacrificed more than the majority of Americans" horse manuer. If you are talking about illegal aliens who have served in our military, I grant you maybe. However if you are talking about the majority of illegal aliens as opposed to the majority of legal citizens I call your bluff.

William G. wrote on Oct 7, 2007 2:17 PM:The act would permit states to treat illegal aliens better than citizens of other states of the United States. It should be rejected on that basis alone, though there are other substantial agruments against it.

Liz wrote on Oct 7, 2007 3:21 PM:Um, obvious loophole - how is the Dept. of Education going to enforce repayment of "loans" to people who do not have SSNs?

Tijuana Juan wrote on Oct 7, 2007 3:28 PM:Once again were doing the jobs Americans don't wanna do...

A Totalitarian Utopian Liberal State wrote on Oct 7, 2007 3:37 PM:The fact that Harry Reid supports the Dream Act is enough by itself for me to oppose it. Harry Reid is a very insiduous anti-american liberal---in other words a modern day liberal. Why are they calling it a draft? A draft is when the government forces you to join the military, whether you want to or not---there's no choice. It's completely the choice of illegal immigrants as to whether they're going to enter a county illegally. It's also the choice of illegal immigrants for whether they're going to join the military for two years to get citizenship. The arguments of liberals...it's just...this country is going to go down soon, and it will be because of liberals. They are the epitomy of the tools of a fascist/socialist regime we have learned to fear through history. Denying people the freedom to choose whether to smoke in their own home, now the attack on people's choice to eat fast food and have the federal government regulate that, feminizing men, their support for totalitarian governments like Cuba-Venezuela-Iran's president, their regulating the behavior of our kids-school children can't even eat candy or cake at school in North County anymore because the state and city's deem it unhealthy, kids can't even play tag or dodgeball anymore because these liberals are afraid of "dangerous activities" that might injure kids; their disdain and attack on conservative ideas/speech; the Fairness Doctrine. This is the beginnings of a liberal utopian totalitarian government. Be afraid people; the liberals are the true totalitarian fascists/socialists, and with the impending election of Hillary Clinton, we will devolve into a moral-less liberal totalitarian government. Think of a decadent country like France, but with a China style government. We should be concerned that executing Christians and conservatives may only be forty years away. Forty years from now, liberals may kill me for writing something like this; they DO NOT support free speech, especially religious or conservative free speech.

GURU53 wrote on Oct 7, 2007 3:54 PM:WHY CAN'T WE GO DOWN TO MEXICO AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEIR RESOURCES SINCE OURS ARE DIMINISHING?

sickofcorruption wrote on Oct 7, 2007 4:20 PM:The American Empire is acting in the same manner as the Roman Empire just before it fell. Having foreigners fight their wars is just one of them. Going into debt and debasing the currency are others.

Skip wrote on Oct 7, 2007 5:40 PM:I have never heard of any Illegal Aliens who have won the Medal of Honor. Do you have the names. Also the only breakdown I have found of recipients is not by race, but as follows TOTAL 3459, ARMY 2400, NAVY 745, MARINES 296, AIR FORCE 17, AND COAST GUARD 1. Also Posthumus Awards totaled 614.

cherie wrote on Oct 7, 2007 6:05 PM:I agree with Mr. Greene. These illegal kids have been in Mecha a activist club that believe that most of the southwest belongs to Mexico. They are the very loudest voices in schools rise up walk outs it is really bad in California. They are not to be trusted in our armed services. Mecha is a bad thing it should of never been allowed in our schools! It is a seperatist organization. Girl scouts even have to do there thing off campus now tell me what is wrong with this picture?

Nick wrote on Oct 7, 2007 6:23 PM:"Raoul". if Mexico and Mexicans are so great, why does their Country suck so bad that they are all leaving? If you are the great champion and spokesperson for the ILLEGAL community, why not facilitate change in Mexico so it can be the great Country it has the potential to be? Nah, you would rather tell all us Americans that it's our responsibility to just let them all become US citizens. Maybe when Mexico starts giving Americans as many free handouts as we do them, I might give a rats behind, but I doubt it. This land was stolen from my people once before, and as a Native American, it sickens me even more to listen to people like you that want to give it away again. Like I said before, head down to Mexico and start making it a better place for the Mexicans. That is truly the only answer, sorry your to biased to know it.

To NCT wrote on Oct 7, 2007 6:39 PM:Where are all the posts? Not just the ones you like.

Real Patriot wrote on Oct 7, 2007 6:49 PM:Gotta worry about "sickofcorruption" and his questioning of Pax Americanus. As all us true believers know, anybody who questions anything this Neo-Orwellian administration does is aiding and abbeting the enemy. Must be one of those liberals we've been warned about.

anotherview wrote on Oct 7, 2007 6:49 PM:When ancient Rome lacked enough ready citizens to fill its armies, it turned to barbarians as mercenaries, who in time via military revolt became the rulers of the Roman Empire. Let us not compare illegal alien Mexicans to barbarians, but at the same time let us not equate their military service with that of citizens. Their motives differ sharply, one as a patriotic duty, the other as an escape from the shadows. The outcome of this split in motive nobody can say, yet legitimate concerns should arise as to it for the future of America. Instead, we could look to other principles defining America. For one, illegal aliens have no right to live and work in this country. Their presence distorts the labor market, because unscrupulous employers will hire illegal aliens to work for coolie wages, displacing citizens and driving down wages for citizens. Yes, citizens would do the jobs illegal aliens now do if employers had to follow the economic axiom of supply and demand. A simple example illustrates. Say one farmer offered $1000 per hour to pick tomatoes in the field. How many citizen workers would accept these jobs? Plenty would, although we cannot quantify how many. Now say another farmer offered $6.85 per hour for the same work. Surely, the number of citizens ho applied for this work would prove far fewer. And now say both farmers began to adjust their offered wage, the first by lowering it and the second by raising it, with the common object of learning what wage rate attracted enough citizen workers. By this means, both farmers would eventually arrive at a similar wage level for attracting enough citizens to pick the tomatoes. Supply and demand works this way. Farmers know it. But farmers prefer to pay coolie wages to illegal aliens, while flouting the federal law prohibiting employers from hiring illegal aliens. Good citizens obey the law, and expect others to do the same. The dance over how to accommodate illegal aliens must stop. On August 10th, the White House issued a Fact Sheet for enforcement of existing federal immigration law. This law prevents employers from hiring illegal aliens. Minus a job, the illegal aliens will self-deport (at their own expense) -- no national roundup needed. Without the lure of a job, the foreign nationals will not illegally migrate to America. By enforcement of the law, America can free itself of illegal aliens, and will prosper all the more.

Syl wrote on Oct 7, 2007 6:53 PM:Why don't they just give it up. How many times does the amnesty bill have to be defeated? Close the border, stop the flow, and then let's talk. This dream act is just another form of Amnesty, and 80% of the American Public do not want it.

YEP wrote on Oct 7, 2007 7:50 PM:Why is this even being discussed? Seal the border, then and only then should we discuss what to do with the illegal-aliens.

Period wrote on Oct 7, 2007 7:54 PM:Would the Army offer Bilingual boot camp?

History wrote on Oct 7, 2007 8:21 PM:The military has always done this. They recruited the Irish to fight in the Civil War. The also recruited Filipinos and Puerto Ricans straight from thier own countries. Alot of them didn't speak English. Although this plan does sound a bit outlandish. They only do this because they need more soldiers. Maybe they should bring back the draft? I hope they don't don't consider either of these options.

Bobby wrote on Oct 7, 2007 8:26 PM:So we have essentially a plan to take away college seats of American kids and give them to illegal aliens. Well, I guess Americans are some of the most tolerant or stupid people on earth. Take your choice according to your political philosophy,I guess. I wonder were Hillar Clinton and the Democrats are on the issue....never mind. I think I know.

to YEP wrote on Oct 7, 2007 8:32 PM:What a great idea! Seal the border! Why didn't anybody think of that? Let's not discuss anything more till you get that done. Best wishes.

Dianne P. wrote on Oct 7, 2007 8:41 PM:I have a question for our Senate and Congress, what part of no do you not understand about the American citizens revolt against comprehensive immigration, NO AMENSTY, to any illegals, the American citizens have spoken, can't you just for one time listen to us? I guess it is going to take a 0 percent approval rate for Congress, before we can really get their attention, if then. The Dream Act now, next it will be the amnesty for Ag workers, sometimes I wonder is this really the United States of Amreica we now live in? It is really hard to tell with our present administration and our present Congress, one would think they were working for Mexico, and I say that because that is where most of the illegals come from, nothing racist in that remark.

The Concern wrote on Oct 7, 2007 8:46 PM:A security risk may exist when an individual's immediate family, including cohabitants, and other persons to whom he or she may be bound by affection, influence, or obligation are not citizens of the United States or may be subject to duress. These situations could create the potential for foreign influence that could result in the compromise of classified information. Contacts with citizens of other countries or financial interests in other countries are also relevant to security determinations if they make an individual potentially vulnerable to coercion, exploitation, or pressure.

John N. wrote on Oct 7, 2007 8:49 PM:GURU53, the resources that we (The United States) had in the first place were stolen from most of the Latin American countries. By stolen I mean, the U.S. made sure, for the longest time, that only dictators who were in favor of screwing their people over were elected into power. Don't belive me, get an education. Why are they coming to the U.S.? Same reason, it is the U.S.'s fault. So what are you going to say? Screw your, we ruined your country, so what? We are American, go back to the Mexico that we screwed over. Still today, Hugo Chavez said it, "Mexico is the United State's Bitch (or little dog)." DON'T GORGET PEOPLE, either you have these people get an education and work here in the U.S. pay taxes and when you are old farts, you can benifit from them or you can deny them that and they don't pay very much in taxes, as in you don't get much $$. Your choice. Or exterminate them.

alex wrote on Oct 7, 2007 9:17 PM:The Dream Act is not amnesty. get over it.

Joy wrote on Oct 7, 2007 9:20 PM:The Dream Act is a huge amnesty through chain migration. It is a magnet for further illegal immigration! It does nothing to benefit American citizens, only illegal aliens!!! Since when have laws been passed which benefit foreign entities at the expense of American citizens??? Why would illegal aliens, whose first act is to break the law to enter our country have any allegiance to the United States? They simply want our benefits and entitlements and have no desire to assimilate into the U.S. The Congress is trying every way it can to integrate Mexico into the U.S. and to change our demographics and culture beyond recognition. How many of our citizens need to be murdered, raped and killed via drunk driving for our Congress to wake up??? Isn't 4000 citizens per year enough??? Wake up and purge the Senate of the Senators who continue to refuse to make the executive branch enforce immgration laws!!!!

Mark wrote on Oct 7, 2007 9:26 PM:We keep saying that the children of illegals are not our problem since their parents broke the law when they came into our country; however, whose problem are they? They are already in this country, most are studying at the university already. What harm can they bring to our country? I reckon they could contribute to our society rather than harm. The Dream Act is not amnesty; they will have to work for the adjustment of their status; it's not a free pass.

Buck wrote on Oct 7, 2007 9:27 PM:Dang! You guys make it seem like these kids are the white kids that are shooting up the schools. I am of African American Decent and it seems like you white folk have to have someone to HATE. Get over your self. I mean, I am sure that most of your ancestors thought that educated black people were going to ruin the economy. I bet that it burns you deep inside that you can tell us to "go home" as in back to Africa. STOP THE RACISM.

Watch Mex US wrote on Oct 7, 2007 9:27 PM:How sad it is to read all this stereotypes and racist arguments against the Dream Act. Think about it: its better that these children get an education, than to read the comments of all these uneducated Americans. I hope that the Act passes and that most of these children and youngsters get a higher education without having to go to the military. They will educate the children of those who write these ignorant and prejudicial comments. And now that I think about it, I love it that these ignorant Americans suffer so much whenever the words migrants and Mexicans surges in the news.

Mark J. wrote on Oct 7, 2007 9:28 PM:We keep saying that the children of illegals are not our problem since their parents broke the law when they came into our country; however, whose problem are they? They are already in this country, most are studying at the university already. What harm can they bring to our country? I reckon they could contribute to our society rather than harm. The Dream Act is not amnesty; they will have to work for the adjustment of their status; it's not a free pass.

"The DREAM Act is just another way to provide amnesty to illegal aliens." wrote on Oct 7, 2007 9:31 PM:For example, unlike the amnesty bills from the Senate for the past two years, DREAM is a continuing program, not just a one-time amnesty. What people usually think of as "amnesty" is at least a one-time disaster, and this will continue so long as illegal aliens continue to bring their children into the country. Second, once the "student" gets the "conditional" lawful permanent-resident status, he or she can seek green cards for the parents who brought him or her into the U.S. illegally in the first place, thus creating backdoor amnesty for millions of illegal aliens. The DREAM Act provides in-state tuition at public universities for the illegal aliens, thus discriminating against U.S. citizens from out of state and law-abiding foreign students. The DREAM Act is just another way to provide amnesty to illegal aliens, and the provision to include the United States Military is even more awful.

MVet wrote on Oct 7, 2007 10:08 PM:The dilemma is obvious, no individual should be allowed into our country illegally, and under no circumstances should an individual be able to qualify for government entitlement programs if they are not a citizen. However, in the interest of winning elections, political parties often actively promote illegal immigration by pledging illegals with government benefits. At the same time, the Mexican government encourages the illegal crossing of its own people, as it is of huge support to the Mexican economy.

Skip wrote on Oct 7, 2007 10:31 PM:SHHHHH.... They may find out a well kept secret. I have been in the military 18 years, and as an enlisted person with no college degree (2 years credits) I am making about $60,000 a year after you factor in my pay, benefits, and allowances, medical and dental. I figure that if I got out now that I would have to be making about $32.00 an hour to maintain my standard of living. In less then two years I will retire at 50% of my base pay and continue to get medical coverage for life. I live in a half million dollar house with almost 80% equity, and have three cars of which two are paid for. I will make my last deployment for seven months, later this year, but I will reap the benefits of tax free income and hazard pay and bonus's. During my 18 years I have collected almost $100,000.00 in re-enlistment bonuses. If I had joined at age 18, I would have been eligible for full retirement at age 38. Now what civilian job will offer you that, without having a college degree? Oh and by the way I am very strongly against letting Illegal Aliens join our military.

This does not count legal and illegal Immigration wrote on Oct 7, 2007 10:41 PM:The Bush administration increased more than fivefold today the number of Near East and South Asian refugees the U.S. can admit as it seeks to accept 12,000 Iraqi refugees during the next 12 months. Overall, Mr. Bush said that up to 80,000 refugees from around the world can be admitted to the United States in the next year. That's up 10,000 from last year's ceiling of 70,000.

yas wrote on Oct 7, 2007 11:47 PM:Please try to think outside the box. Many people think in the short term, in that the Dream Act will just let illegals receive education... so bc of that they are taking money from taxpayers... therefore, they should all be deported! Now, please, please try to think about the bigger picture. Dream Act students will succeed in college. They will get their degrees and get jobs and create jobs. And what are jobs good for? Yes.. the economy. If you anti-dream acts care to even think about the bigger picture... you will understand the Dream Act is an investment not only in the student's future.. but the future of society. These are smart individuals. They are above average, ready to succeed. Why cant most people understand this? Will these college grads take welfare money and cause more problems for society? NO.. these smart individuals will make society better as a whole. No, they don't have paper work. But America is their home. They should not be at fault for their parent's actions. America is their home now--- where are they suppose to go if they are deported if this is the only home they know? I fully support the Dream Act.-

BOB wrote on Oct 8, 2007 5:47 AM: i GUESS IT HAS PRETTY MUCH BEEN ALL SAID AND THE ANTI ILLEGAL ALIEN GROUP SEEMS TO BE IN THE MAJORITY. tHIS BEING A REPUBLIC, WE ELECT OUR CONGRESS TO REPRESENT US. SO WHY DO THEY NOT? ARE THERE HIDDEN AGENDAS? wOULD IT BE CHEAP LABOR, VOTES, OR A NEW NORTH AMERICAN UNION? IT COULD ALSO BE JUST AN EGO THING...WE KNOW MORE THAN THE DUMB ELECTORATE! WHAT IS WRONG WITH STRONG ENFORCEMENT MAKING IT IMPOSSIBLE TO COME HERE ILLEGALLY. IF THEN WE NEED WORKERS A TEMPORARY WORK PROGRAM COULD BE PUT IN PLACE-

If the Dream Act wrote on Oct 8, 2007 6:43 AM:will give them free citizenship, after serving in another country's military, then why not use those in prision for rape, murder, etc. They are criminals just the same as those who broke into our country illegally.-

MGM wrote on Oct 8, 2007 6:44 AM:I truly don't understand the people who say the DREAM Act is amnesty. These young students will have to work hard to obtain legal status, it is NOT a free pass. Chain migration? Give me a break. It will take about 6 years for the student to become a citizen and be allowed to petition for their parents. It takes many many many years to process the application. Aunts, uncles, etc etc cannot be petitioned. The DREAM Act is giving these young people a chance, that's all. A chance to study or serve in our military. These young people didn't make the decision to come to this country, so they should not be punished for it. Many people say "well, they're 18 now so they should go back" Well, it's not as easy as it seems. These young people have been living in this country for most of their lives, they know of no other country. It would be like telling a U.S citizen to go to a foreign country, where they don't even speak English and live there. These people are American in every sense of the word, other than in paper. They know more about the history of the United States, than they do of their country of origin. They speak English fluently, made friends here, have a life here! We need to show more compassion towards them because they are truly remarkable kids. Besides, the DREAM Act will benefit this country tremendously. These young people will go onto joining the military which will help the military reach their recruiting needs, and the kids who choose to education option will go onto graduating with a degree and join the workforce and pay taxes just like every American. The DREAM Act makes sense, and I don't see how people can be against it. Oh, and one more thing. It is a popular misconception that illegals don't pay taxes. You don't need a SS# to pay taxes. What they use is a ITIN card (look it up) and that's how they are able to pay taxes.-

Ahem, wrote on Oct 8, 2007 6:46 AM:what about the other people around the world, who are trying to enter the US legally, some have waited five years or more? Fair? Dream on!-

Stephanie wrote on Oct 8, 2007 8:06 AM:The Dream Act is NOT amnesty. These students must attend 2 years of college or 2 years of military. There are many who already completed college and are now sitting on their butts wasting away their knowledge. They need to fulfill the requirements to become legal citizens of the U.S. Not everyone will qualify and/or complete the requirements. I have a couple of friends who are illegal. One has an electrical engineering degree and the other is finishing up a degree in secondary education. The United States would benefit from people like my friends since the U.S. is need of teachers and engineers. But my friends can't get a job. It's heartbreaking to see my American, yes they're American, friends not be able to live a normal life. When they told me they were illegal, I was completely in shock. I would have never suspected it from their perfect English, their strive for success and their American values. Passing the Dream Act will only help, not hinder the U.S. economy.-

Godzilla wrote on Oct 8, 2007 8:23 AM:There are currently already about 40K illegals in the military right now. NO AMNASTY!!!!!

Patriot wrote on Oct 8, 2007 8:25 AM:If we are spending billions on an unpopular war and have to resort to schemes like this to meet recruitment goals, our politicians surely have lost their minds. They are falling all over themselves to offer deals to non-citizens to fight our war while continuing to leave our borders unsecured to allow new non-citizens to enter at will every day. If we don't address border security, where will we be 20 years from now? Well, I suppose by then those who graduated college on the Dream Act will be running the government and will deem borders to be archaic.

Stop The Invasion! wrote on Oct 8, 2007 8:31 AM:First, secure the border. Second, legalization of the law breakers only after fines, back taxes, and touchback requirements. Third, law breakers go to the end of the line after those who have followed the law and have been waiting for years to immigrate legally. Fourth, no amnesty (Dream Act, Z Visas or the like). Fifth, give priority to highly skilled and educated immigrants. Sixth, enforce existing laws before enacting new so-called tougher laws.

They're Not All MEXICANS!!! GET IT RIGHT! wrote on Oct 8, 2007 9:40 AM:Wow... talk about being a selfish American, "Don't reward illegals! they're criminals because they came to this country unwillingly! Throw them out! we don't care about them! what if they think this country is their home? they're illegal(s)!" "They're going to steal our jobs! steal our money!" and what??? steal? i would think of it 'differently'. They're not stealing anything! they're earning it even without the hope that they'll get far in life becuase of their status. I'd also like to quote a comment that to me seemed pretty selfish once again: "They are criminals for God's sake! Our elected officials need to start focusing on helping and assisting the lives of American Citizens."-

Big Richard wrote on Oct 8, 2007 9:49 AM:Buck... It is you who is the racist. I feel so sorry for you. First off it is a racist statement for you to assume what my ancestors or myself think because we are white. The same goes for this border issue. Just because we americans don't appreciate PEOPLE coming into our country illegally and taking advantage of services meant educate and provide medical coverage and food for our citizens. People assume that we are against them because of their color. The color of their skin has nothing to do with it. It is a right or wrong issue period! Stephanie please tell your illegal friends to go down to mexico with their american degree's and get a job.-

Brian wrote on Oct 8, 2007 10:12 AM:Suggestions that this bill is amnesty is further proof that our country would be in a much better shape today if the people rabidly opposing the bill had been required get two years of college before claiming US citizenship.-

BUZZO wrote on Oct 8, 2007 10:19 AM:sTEPHANIE YOU CANNOT PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH LAWS YOU OBEY, IF SO WE WOULD HAVE ANARCHY. ... wHO PAID FOR THESE STUDENTS EDUCATION AT LEAST K-12, WE THE TAXPAYERS OF THE UNITED STATES, BUT NOW WITH THEIR EDUCATION THEY COULD GO HOME AND BETTER THE LIVES OF WHERE EVER THEY BELONG WHICH IS NOT HERE!! we COULD CALL IT A FORM OF FORIEGN AID. wAKE UP AND SMELL THE FLOWERS IF WE ALLOW THIS IT WILL JUST BE ANOTHER REASON TO SNEAK INTO OUR COUNTRY.-

Movement of the people. wrote on Oct 8, 2007 10:30 AM:I think that they deserve to fight for their status. I can imagine many of these bright minds contributing to the U.S. In form of health, technology and more taxes and ss benefits for us the old people. I also read that they won;t be able to pay instate tuition they have to pay 3 times more than a regular citizens. i think that's a big deal they won't pay instate tuition. I don't think this will affect us but it will give us more than take.. Our military will be stronger, too. I think this is the best bill that Congress has made for the immigration issue.

NO ON BACKDOOR AMNESTY wrote on Oct 8, 2007 10:34 AM:NO TO CHAIN MIGRATION According to the U.S. Bureau of the Census, the resident population of the United States, projected to 10/08/07 at 17:32 GMT (EST+5) is 303,075,934. Children is the magic Libera; word that evokes sympathy and compassion. I don't buy it.

Meanwhile From The president ..... wrote on Oct 8, 2007 10:38 AM:Mexican President Felipe Calderon criticized the planned U.S. border fence designed to stem illegal immigration, saying countries should be "building bridges, not fences" in an interview broadcast on Monday. On ABC television's "Good Morning America," Calderon lauded President George W. Bush's failed attempt to get the U.S. Congress to approve comprehensive immigration reform, and said the way to stop illegal immigration is to build economic growth and opportunities in Mexico, not fences.

Bob wrote on Oct 8, 2007 10:43 AM:It really is an amnesty plan disguised as an education initiative. The bill will "encourage illegal behavior" and force Americans to compete with illegal residents for college slots and scholarships.

I know! wrote on Oct 8, 2007 11:27 AM:Lets bring in Iranians, they could join our military and then we get to pay for their college! Dream on! NO AMNESTY or whatever the politicans want to call it now.

I don't think wrote on Oct 8, 2007 11:47 AM:the IRS law is unfair so I am going to stop paying, I mean if illegals and lawmakers can break the law, then we as Americans should have the same right! Time to write your lawmakers and tell them no amensty and ask them what seems to be giving them trouble understanding what the american people want is it the "N" or is it the "O"?

Skip wrote on Oct 8, 2007 11:48 AM:Just so you all know. Right now there is no shortage of people in the Air Force, Navy, Coast Guard, or even the Marines. Now the Army, that may be a different story, but they increased their bonus's and even they are not doing that bad. Of course we all know where the Army and the National Guard will be going. GOT SAND?

guttershark wrote on Oct 8, 2007 11:49 AM:if you would give yourself a chance to talk to them..you wouldnt be able to distinguish them from any other american...only on the basis of skin color maybe, but other than that, they are almost the same as to someone born legal...some of them even are way more educated then the rest of the crowd..

MVet wrote on Oct 8, 2007 11:54 AM:You may have missed the stories earlier this year about the Navy Sailors who had Shore Patrol Duty on the Tijuana Border, and they got caught sneaking in Illegal Aliens through their Navy Office, Back Door. And then there is my all time favorite story of the Illegal Alien, Border Patrol Agent who was selling rides across the border in his Official Border Patrol Truck. Why do I bring him up? It is because his previous job was as Navy Crypto Tech, for the previous 4 years. Apparently the Border patrol figured that since he was in the navy that they would get to his background check later. LOL

San Diego-based sailor to be deported after serving 3-year-prison term wrote on Oct 8, 2007 11:59 AM:http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2006/08/30/news/sandiego/15_34_038_30_06.txt

Roberto wrote on Oct 8, 2007 12:03 PM:Mexico is NOT a friend of the United States. Since 1848 Mexicans have resented the United States. During World War I Mexico allowed German Spies to operate freely in Mexico to spy on the U.S. During World War II Mexico allowed the Axis powers to spy on the U.S. from Mexico. During the Cold War Mexico allowed spies hostile to the U.S. to operate freely. The attack on the Twin Towers in 2001 was cheered and applauded all across Mexico. Today Mexican school children are taught that the U.S. stole California, Arizona, new Mexico and Texas. If you don't believe it, check out some Mexican textbooks written for their schoolchildren.-

Border Patrol Agent Arrested in Smuggling Case wrote on Oct 8, 2007 12:12 PM:http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2005/08/05/news/inland/21_17_498_4_05.txt-

Mike wrote on Oct 8, 2007 12:33 PM:So if they take out the Military provision as the activists want, then the Dream Amnesty Bill becomes just like the one that preceded it, and that one was already defeated. I got a better idea, Just send them back to where they came from, and let their country give them scholarships.-

Skip wrote on Oct 8, 2007 12:35 PM:It is Columbus Day. This is the first time I have had two days off consecutively in about 6 months. As I like to call this day, "It is in honor of the first "Illegal Aliens".-

Skip wrote on Oct 8, 2007 12:40 PM:If you are in the military and are not a U.S. Citizen (Permanent Resident), then you do not qualify for a security clearance. That means you job will be in non-electronics, non-nuclear, non-vital, and a whole bunch of other Non-secret positions. Some engineering positions will be open, but the most common positions filled are cooks, supply, service, and infantry.-

Dohegora wrote on Oct 8, 2007 12:47 PM:I strongly oppose the dream act. The only possible proposal would be for both Latino men and women to serve 4 years in the military, coupled with another 2 years of community services. Watch them all leave once they have achieved military and Social Security benefits. They have no desire to assimilate, but rather to milk the big American cow. Remember, most of them have no inkling of democracy and are used to the benefactor state (Big Brother) providing for all their needs without having to lift a finger.-

Patriot wrote on Oct 8, 2007 1:10 PM:Someone commented on selfish Americans. Our immigration and labor laws are by their nature selfish. They exist to control who comes into this country to protect the national security and economic self-interests of this country. As selfish as that may seem, our legal immigration levels are at historically high levels and arguably very generous compared to other countries. If you violate our immigration or labor laws for personal gain and expect to be excused and rewarded for it, many of us may find your behavior selfish.

WHAT IS GOOD FOR THE MILITARY? wrote on Oct 8, 2007 1:34 PM:No one here actually considers what is good for the military. Just like today's Liberals that refuse to let the Military actually win a war; I hope you take the following into consideration. If there is a large influx of people into the military that do not meet security clearance requirements then the military will have to artificially shuttle U.S. Citizens into critical billets to accommodate the non-citizens. We all know who make up the largest group of Illegal Aliens in the United States, but we will be opening up a Pandora's Box here. No one group of Illegals is more deserving or entitled then another, so we will also have to let in the Illegal Chinese (second largest group), the Illegal Muslims, the Illegal Africans, the Illegal Indian's, and God Forbid the Illegal Canadians. The military did away with two year enlistments as they are not practical for training purposes and the time and resources spent do not pay off in the long run. The United States Military is not the place for Political Social Experiments.

To MGM wrote on Oct 8, 2007 1:34 PM:How can you say that not granting legal status is punishment? Being a legal resident, much less a citizen, of the United States is a privilege, not a right, for anyone born outside of this country. There are millions of children across the globe who are living in conditions much worse than illegal alien children in the U.S., and for that matter even worse than in Mexico. There are also hundreds of thousands of foreigners waiting in line to come to this country legally. Why should the children of parents who broke the law have any more claim to the blessing of living in America than they do? Moreover, why should they be allowed to petition for their parents in the future? Do their parents have a special claim to this country that others legally and patiently waiting in line don't have?

From a NY Blog wrote on Oct 8, 2007 1:42 PM:north county is one of the most conservative places in san diego and california along with all the army people that live there all the old people it always tries passing anti-immigration laws for their cities. so it doesnt suprise me how the poll count is at

OMEGANLTIN wrote on Oct 8, 2007 1:47 PM:you must be very clever to vote more than twice.. Can't say it or else the NCT might be Watching.. I voted 12 times. PM me if u want to know how. RE: Do you support the propos