Jane S. wrote on Nov 11, 2007 9:56 PM:i heard the gun shot but i was at my friends house and her dad just said that it was probably just a fire cracker or omething till she left the wierdest messages on my machine telling me to call her ASAP and i did then she told me wat happended!!

Nervous in Temecula wrote on Nov 11, 2007 10:40 PM:What the Heck is happening to Temecula! It seems to be getting worse by the day.

amber wrote on Nov 11, 2007 11:31 PM:does anyone on the nct staff have an update on this story. I have friends that live on the street and their cellphone is off and we cant get ahold of them. Any info would be great!

Temecula Resident wrote on Nov 11, 2007 11:32 PM:Temecula is not getting worse... crime has no boundaries and unfortunately we get too comfortable sometimes where we live because the news points away from us.. This is very sad and sounds like a domestic issue.

Chris wrote on Nov 11, 2007 11:43 PM:I don't know...

sad wrote on Nov 11, 2007 11:44 PM:Temecukla is not bad. Dont start stressing and worrying. Everyone who lives her panics over everything. Im sure there will be a turn in this story as it seems suspicious for someone to be keeping to them selves and there were alot of people comming and going. ... But temecula is like todays perants. always tryen to protect them from the world. cant get a bruise or a cut, always haveing to stay indoors. we cant let temecula be a little sad town and start panacing when anything happens. the fires were miles away yet everyone in this city figured the world was commen to an end. in order to prevent things like this from happening we need to keep our heads on stright and keep our eyes open. it sounds like the nieghbors were already suspicious of there house but figured nothing of it.

Gary wrote on Nov 12, 2007 2:31 AM:Dear Nervous in Temecula who ask, "What is happening in Temecula..." It is that long drive and heavy traffic going to San Diego... it is driving everyone crazy

Sad wrote on Nov 12, 2007 2:51 AM:No doubt background will reveal something very wrong in this sad story. Probably something to do with loss of hope. My God people, can't we see when people are hurting. For God's sakes, reach out. Help.

Dave wrote on Nov 12, 2007 5:22 AM:I'll tell you what's happening in Temecula. All the riff raff from San Diego, Orange and Los Angeles counties are relocating there. Did you think "YOU" were the only person attracted to the lower cost of living. As all the crud floats in and gas prices move ever closer to the $3.50 a gallon mark, not to mention the traffic issues, Temecula isn't working out to be the bargain you all thought now is it? Good luck trying to sell too. With mello roos and HOA's the norm at most newer developments I can't imagine the demand will work its way back to where it was when the great flight up there was taking place. No thanks, I'll stay in San Diego county; with all our crooks moving north it gets better by the day!

family man wrote on Nov 12, 2007 5:26 AM:Home prices are crashing, gas is going to be $4.00 a gal by next summer and our little town is growing up. Where do I move to now, what's safer then Temecula?

Oside wrote on Nov 12, 2007 6:28 AM:All the thugs that get in trouble in oceanside move to Temecula. At least 6 from the back gate area. Should be some new blood gangs there soon. Sit back folks

NOT GOOD wrote on Nov 12, 2007 6:51 AM:This is the 6th person dead from a gun in one weekend in Temecula. Another guy died after shooting himself on Saturday in French Valley. Temecula is fast becoming out-of-control. It is too bad for the residents here.

RunForDaHills wrote on Nov 12, 2007 6:54 AM:Run for the hills Temecula residents! Oh my gosh, crime is everywhere..

Informed wrote on Nov 12, 2007 7:16 AM:By the way, it appears "Jeff" OWNS to the home in Temeku Hills. Do not always assume.

FairwayJim wrote on Nov 12, 2007 7:31 AM:Settle down everyone who are posting of the rampant "crime wave" in Temecula. Isolated domestic violence can occur anywhere in any neighborhood. I'd be more concerned if this appeared to be a home invasion or if there were gangs and graffiti everywhere. Temecula is and will continue to be a great place to live and raise a family. Do not worry or condemn Temecula because of a random isolated incident.

Renae wrote on Nov 12, 2007 7:34 AM:What does renting have to do with these tragic deaths? The comments made here are very insensitive to the family & friends of these people! These deaths don't make Temecula a bad place to live. Tragedy can be found in any town!!!

Calm Down wrote on Nov 12, 2007 7:47 AM:I live in Temeku Hills and it is extrremely distressing to have five people killed in one home - right down the street. But it is a mistake to call this a crime - it appears to be a domestic murder-suicide and that can happen anywhere, even in the most upscale neighborhoods. Doesn't anyone remember the Simpson case? People are people no matter where they live. Sometimes they lose hope, sometimes they simply can't deal with life anymore. And sometimes they do unspeakable things. To start trashing Temecula or the type of people who reside here seems a little over the top to me. Let's all calm down until we find out what really happened here.

Californiaiscrazy wrote on Nov 12, 2007 8:05 AM:Temecula used to be a great town where you knew your neighbors! You rode your horse into town to go to the bar! Now it is just another orange county! With Parents bringing in there Gang banger kids! Wanting better for them and then they just bring the crap with them! I hate it here! Were planning on moving to Alaska where there are not so many wack job!!

Julie wrote on Nov 12, 2007 8:26 AM:I'm a rare 30 something who grew up in Temecula. This tragedy doesn't make me feel any less safe, nor will I check to make sure every door/window is locked because of it. Even the Amish aren't safe from a crime of this nature.

JUAN wrote on Nov 12, 2007 8:27 AM:Stuff like this certainly may keep the renters out, and the potential owners, too. I hope the misguided but well-intentioned lawn inspectors at the HOA's take note. This could have happened anywhere.

You get what you paid for wrote on Nov 12, 2007 8:36 AM:If you bought a house in Temecula or Hemet because of prices 5-10 years ago. Chances are your street has become inhabited by two and three families of renters per household. Garages are being used for storage or room conversions, and everyone's cars are parked on the street and in the driveways (some inoperable). HOA's routinely require that homeowners keep their cars in their garages at night. Right. lol! The housing communities all along Winchester that have sprung up are destined to become a carbon copy of Lake Elsinore and with the same types of crimes. Home invasion, auto theft, burglary, vandalism, rape, assault. If you own an 8-cylinder vehicle and you travel to San Diego for work from Temecula, your IQ is that of Corky from as life goes on. You could have afforded a house closer to your job with the extra $200 a week your blowing on gas. Credit Card debt and payday check advances are not acceptable alternatives. Not that these are what contributed to the shootings but these types of demographics bring with them all of the negative stereotypes with them. And we all know that profiling is accurate to a major degree.

Temeculaisfullof... wrote on Nov 12, 2007 8:52 AM:The only thing to be feared in Temecula is ignorance. As one can read by a majority of these posts, people are ready to assume that the only ones capable of committing crimes are those of lower income backgrounds, and those moving from other counties for a good deal. This assumption is absolutely ludicrous and a flagrant display of the prejudice community that Temecula has seen grow in numbers. Those who have posted about Temecula being less safe are idiots and should be ashamed of themselves for being so incredibly insensitive.

Liz wrote on Nov 12, 2007 8:53 AM:This type of crime can happen in any neighborhood, in any city, large or small. I am insulted by others saying "keep the renters out"! I have rented a home all my adult life and treat the resident I rent as if were my very own home...with respect! I am a long term renter and don't move every month! Please...everyone...don't panic and think that just because we rent and don't own a home, makes us potential criminals! This is a sad incident that happened. Let's remember that!

RICH wrote on Nov 12, 2007 8:56 AM:You're all a bunch of loons.

Jane wrote on Nov 12, 2007 9:00 AM:Domestic violence can happen anywhere and doesn't have anything to do with whether people rent or own or how much they paid for their house. This is a horrible tragedy, but I don't understand why anyone would feel panicked about his personal safety.

Funny wrote on Nov 12, 2007 9:03 AM:Residents here still believe Temecula is safe. Yeah, right. It's not on a dangerous level yet, but it's getting bad. You won't hear about EVERY crime that takes place though so you'll feel "safe". It'll never be the same city is was in the late 80's or early 90's. What's really ridiculous is Temecula Resident, sad and the others writing this tragedy off as a "domestic dispute" or something. Okay, so if we continue having these "domestic disputes", then there's no violence occurring in the city correct?

Can't believe some of these comments wrote on Nov 12, 2007 9:06 AM:In response to CaliforniaIsCrazy: PLEASE move to Alaska, or Timbuktu at the very least. Anyone who thinks that crime is defined by a place rather than the deed itself is a wack job themselves. There is no doubt in my mind that when the facts come out about this case it will be discovered that it is no more than a domestic violence situation, which can happen anywhere, anytime, in the best places and with the best families. To blame the city in which it occurred is ridiculous. Please MOVE if you don't like it here - I promise you will not find a utopia where you can be guaranteed complete safety not only from people you don't know, but from people you DO know. But go ahead, move to Alaska or Timbuktu or wherever - just get your horribly negative attitude out of here. Meanwhile, those of us who are realistic enough to understand that people can be murderous for any reason (starting from ancient times - think of Cain and Abel) will continue to live our lives in what we hope will be a compassionate community that offers more than most cities can ever hope to offer. Shame on all of you who are so very very quick to judge and make assumptions about something you know nothing about.

SoCalGrl wrote on Nov 12, 2007 9:07 AM:Hey "TEMEKU HILL RESIDENT" what makes you think just because someone rents they need to be kept out?? If I remember correctly it wasn't too long ago when a man killed his wife and then shot himself over in french valley and they owned their home. It is people like you that need to seriously wake up and smell the coffee. Bad things happen all the time Temecula isn't in a bubble people, yeah our crime rate here is lower than most but there is crime everywhere. The problem with this town is everyone wants the world to be sunshine and kittens all the time when that just isn't the case....Wake up Temecula it's just another day in the world

Resident wrote on Nov 12, 2007 9:07 AM:Come on People Temecula is not a bad place to live, things like this happen anywhere where there is domestic problems and people that need mental help.Just because you live in Temecula dosen't mean that you have to be perfect.Worry when the city is being thrashed or tag on then you can say that its becoming a typical gangster city.We all start to panic and start thinking of moving but....little bit we know is that there are crimes everywhere..its the society we live in.Be calm, Relax and just pray for this family.If you have domestic problems think twice about your actions and get help before anything like this happens again.

Robert wrote on Nov 12, 2007 9:08 AM:Stay on topic people. This [appears to be] a domestic dispute that turned violent. Temecula and this specific area is an upscale environment-it will continue to be so. Renting or purchasing has nothing to do with the actions of the persons living there, nor does the commute to San Diego, nor is it a "loss of faith" affair. What it is though, is someone who became unbalanced, made an irrational decision and affected not only the lives of those killed, their family, the residents who live in the area, but you hysterical people pondering the purposed plight of Temecula. Stop jumping to conclusions and let's wait for the police to do what the police do best- investigate and determine a cause.

John C. wrote on Nov 12, 2007 9:11 AM:Temecula is and always will be the #1 and best City to live in California. Things like this could happen any where and it's beyond our control. Relax folks and be grateful for all the fantastic things that this City has to offer - for example: State of the Art Sports Facilities, Variety of Spectacular Activities, Awesome Library, and many other amazing things that are availabe in this fabulous City. May GOD Bless you all abundantly with Lots of Love, Peace, Happiness, Good Health, Prosperity, and Best Wishes. Best regards - John

Anytown USA wrote on Nov 12, 2007 9:15 AM:One of the problems the recent housing market 'downturn', 'loan fraud' and 'creative financing' has brought here (as well as other towns) is financial strain, which in turn is causing a lot of relationship turmoil. Top that with your every day stress of increased traffic, increased gas prices and an uncertainty with one of the largest investments a person has made in his life, and you've got a recipe for disaster just waiting to happen. People are feeling stretched and stressed, and unfortunately, it can temporarily bring out the worst in a person. Temecula is STILL one of the MOST safe places to live. If everyone stopped each day and took and extra minute or two for their neighbor, their friend, a stranger, maybe we can help to slow the negative impacts of 'progress' just a little more. By the way, don't be so quick to put down the 'renter', he or she may be the one that is smiling just a little bigger than the 'home owner' who's house just 'lost' $100,000, or his interest rate just adjusted and he's now facing a short sale. Those 'home owners' are going to be your new 'renters' before long.

bobby wrote on Nov 12, 2007 9:20 AM:i have a friend who lives in temecu hills i hope shes alright

Mary wrote on Nov 12, 2007 9:22 AM:The reaction here is sickening. Most renters are way ahead of most of the people who bought in the last couple of years. There will most probably be more of this happening because of the housing market and everyone trying to live above their means. Who knows? Maybe he's a realtor or a mortgage broker who can't sustain the lifestyle anymore

SoCalGrl wrote on Nov 12, 2007 9:23 AM:John C. no offense but I fail to see all the great things this city has to offer.....at least the teenagers in this city. They try to open a nice little venue for them so at least they can have something to do and the city closes it down...whoops I got off topic =-)

dan wrote on Nov 12, 2007 9:24 AM:WOW! I do know one thing.....illiteracy is as alive and well as ever! Seems to be a SoCal trait.

"Sad" Critic wrote on Nov 12, 2007 9:25 AM:"Sad" should learn to spell and use proper grammar.

concerned wrote on Nov 12, 2007 9:31 AM:Does anyone know the names of the victims. We got a phone call that one of our close friends might be involved, and we can't contact her or her children.

easygoing wrote on Nov 12, 2007 9:50 AM:Calm down. This obviously was a domestic dispute and very sad. Temecula is still safe and like others said, this can happen anywhere. Remember Heaven's Gate in Rancho Santa Fe? Don't know why folks tend to react so negatively when anything happens in Temecula.

also concerned wrote on Nov 12, 2007 9:54 AM:to "Not Good." by the way, French Valley is not in Temecula.

Arlene wrote on Nov 12, 2007 9:56 AM:Please let us not forget to pray for those who lost their lives, those who took a life, those who protect our safety and the family's affected. I pray God bless & keeps those involved (in any aspect of this tragegy) in peace and they have an opportunity to draw closer to HIM...for only in God can one find rest.

sue wrote on Nov 12, 2007 10:15 AM:What's the cause of this tragedy? Isn't that the one million dollar queston! Renters? Commuters? Temecula's safe boundaries? Those are much too simplistic and not very sensing about why something like this would happen. Obviously, there are many people hurting in this world and this case brings a bright light on that. Broken families, divorce, self-centeredness, emptiness, etc. causes much dispair in a world that is focused on living in the moment. This is a great opportunity for us all to look at how we interact with others. Are we willing to step out to make conversation with those at work and home that live and work right around us? Instead of creating a chain of blame, ask yourself what you can do today to be a person that doesn't miss out on any opportunity to extend a friendly hello or word of encouragement to others, where there is no expectation of one in return. Bless those who have lost these loved ones.

Get a life wrote on Nov 12, 2007 10:18 AM:You should all just get a life and quit dwelling on the negative events that have happened and can surely happen anywhere. Wake up people and go find something to do with your busy body lives.

Why I left wrote on Nov 12, 2007 10:22 AM:I saw the writing on the wall about 5 years ago...Temecula WAS a great place to live and raise a family for the 14 years I was there, but we all saw it coming. Cheap housing, no local jobs, once the real estate bubble burst these things were destined to happen.

No Name wrote on Nov 12, 2007 10:22 AM:May the victims of this horrible nightmare rest in peace. As the holidays are appoaching and the stress of everyday living starts to affect us all, I hope that we don't hear about this kind of incident again. ... I am sorry for the families that are involved.

Not in my neighborhood... wrote on Nov 12, 2007 10:34 AM:I laugh when I hear about folks from Temecula bragging about the quality of life there as if the city were impervious to crime. Guess what? You are a big city now! It is all a part of diversity people...The good and the bad.

Concerned-1 wrote on Nov 12, 2007 10:36 AM:I hope John Hall will update this story as soon as more information is available. Names would be a priority for all those who are worried.

former co-worker wrote on Nov 12, 2007 10:36 AM:I once worked with a woman who I believe still lives in Temecula. She was a true believer that nothing bad could happen in Temecula and I tried to convince her that crime can happen anywhere and anytime. ...

Vickie wrote on Nov 12, 2007 10:40 AM:Temecula is a great place to live. Temeku Hills has a wonderful club house and golfcource. This can happen anywhere and it dose. The crime rate is low here. This is the reason we love this place, it's CLEAN AND SAFE. No other town has green belts and parks as we do. Im sure most here that are bashing Temecula don't live here.

Temecula Resident (Renter) wrote on Nov 12, 2007 10:44 AM:Temeku Hills Resident (And everyone else) I am a renter, in Red Hawk on the golf course. I am a renter because we are military and never know when we will be deployed or transferred. We have never caused any problems so your little snotty suburban comment about keep renters out is very unrealistic. You all act like this is something that would NEVER happen in Temecula. ... Those happen IN ANY TOWN!!! ...It's not geography when someone does this, it's their mentality. So how about a little sympathy for the families of all the victims instead of all of you automatically jumping to the fact that just because there was a shooting, your precious town is going to shamble.

please wrote on Nov 12, 2007 10:51 AM:STOP USING THIS EVENT AS AN EXCUSE TO ARGUE about Temecula's renters. You don't even know what happened. My mom's best friend ... They've housed us, fed us, and were all around amazing people. We were going to have Thanksgiving with these people. If you want to turn something like this POLITICAL, you are INGNORANT. Stop whining about Temecula turning bad because bad things happen near you. This is nowhere near as hard on you as it is going to be on my family. Have some respect.

Informed wrote on Nov 12, 2007 10:53 AM:Obviously no one is reading the blog....just writing away. ...

related? wrote on Nov 12, 2007 10:54 AM:....and what is Corky have to do with this?... that's a terribe thing to bring up... you should be VERY ashamed by your comments ... HOW DARE YOU!!!!!!!

Unbelievable wrote on Nov 12, 2007 11:11 AM:This blog could become a psychiatrists dream! Some of you are so delusional and incensitive that appauling does not begin to describe your reactions to an "Isolated" demented incident that can occur in any Town anywhere! Three years ago a family member killed his wife his mother and three children, and he was a Law enforcement officer, and they lived in a very upscale neighborhood, so please stop with the sociological analysis of renters, low lifes and out of towners. We live in one of the best communities in So Cal, and it will only get better. There is good and bad in every community, and I am proud to be part of this one. My heart felt condolences to the families and friends of this tragedy, and may it soften the heart of anyone else who thinks this type of violence is a solution to any of your problems. God Bless!

LocalResident wrote on Nov 12, 2007 11:11 AM:One of the things that I've noticed in the 12 years that I've lived in Temecula is the way that the residents of Temecula will come together in a crisis, whether it directly affects them or not. This attitude was shown in spades during the recent fires. Working at one of the evacuation centers it was amazing to see the non-stop caravan of residents that dropped off food, blankets, water, money, etc. They all 'gave' with a compassionate heart. This is the 'true' Temecula (not the mostly negative posts that have dominated this blog). We don't know where these posts are coming from or who's sending them. Some people just like to 'stir the pot' so to speak. That is not our Temecula. And most Temecula residents who have lived here for a while and might have seen some sort of 'crisis' know this. These residents are not posting negative posts all day long, they're picking up their phones to offer help, or simply dropping to their knees to offer up support. We are a terrific community. Please keep this entire family in your thoughts, as well as their extended family, friends, neighbors and emergency personnel who have all been affected by this horrific tragedy. And be thankful that it wasn't your loved one or close friend.

HEART ACHE wrote on Nov 12, 2007 11:16 AM:I pray for the lost son who could not find his way back to the love that once was. To feel as though this was his only way out. May we all keep a watchful eye over our children and don't let them stray to far. It makes my heart ache to know a child did not make through his own trils and tribulations and because of that we have lost our loved ones. IF YOU LEARN ANYTHING FROM THIS...IT SHOULD BE TO LISTEN TO THE SILENT CRIES FOR HELP!!

In shock wrote on Nov 12, 2007 11:23 AM:I used to live on Iron Circle. The incident happened across the street from my old house. we were the second family living on Iron Circle when the homes were still being built in 98. Shocking.

To Why I left wrote on Nov 12, 2007 11:39 AM:It's not important WHY you left.....just that you did. The less ignorance here, the better off we are. Enjoy your life in whatever perfect place you moved to. Peace!

JD wrote on Nov 12, 2007 11:40 AM:What everybody needs to realize (as a fair number have already pointed out), this was most likely a domestic issue. Does that mean it's not violence? No. But what it means is that YOU are not at an increased risk because of it. This was not a psychopathic murderer roaming Temeku. Isolated, contained incidents such as this are still violence, but they aren't direct threats to the community at large. So stop getting so worked up over it, and proclaiming Temecula a crime-laden city, with murderous renters. That's just fear-mongering.

Informed wrote on Nov 12, 2007 11:43 AM:Regarding owners vs. renters....no contest. It is a proven fact that the more renters there are to an area, the more deteriorated the area will become overall. The majority of renters just do not care as much about the enviornment as they do not have an "INVESTED" interest.

Happy In Temecula wrote on Nov 12, 2007 11:50 AM:Keep away, do not move here. Think of us as you will. I moved away from people like you. This could and does happen, Even in Greenwich Ct were relitives of the Kennedy's Kill.

Bubba wrote on Nov 12, 2007 11:55 AM:The ridiculous written responses above, poor grammar, poor spelling, let alone the inability to express themselves rationally or clearly on paper is more telling of the population in general than it is of Temecula. Be glad that you live in a community where occurences such as this heinous crime are rare. It doesn't matter where you live; crime, sadly enough, will happen. Be more frightened of the idiotic "mob" consciousness you see in the comments above. Does anyone remember the old Twilight Zone episode entitled: "The Monsters are Due on Maple Street"?

Too Bad wrote on Nov 12, 2007 12:02 PM:Well, Temecula is NOT becoming a bad crime or getting worse by the day. Crime happens everywhere...name one city where something bad hasn't happened? Temecula is a good place to live!

Lauri Lockwood, The Californian editor wrote on Nov 12, 2007 12:11 PM:Although coroner's officials have not yet identified the people who were killed, I realize many of you know the family. We'd be interested in any insight you have on them. Who they were. What they were like. Please feel free to give us a call at 676-4315, Ext. 2603. Thanks. And we're doing what we can to get more information out on this tragedy as soon as possible.

NRA4ever wrote on Nov 12, 2007 12:18 PM:another senseless tragedy caused by firearms. We can thanks the folks at the NRA for the liberal laws which allow everyone to own the anti-tank weapon of their choice. REPEAL THE 2ND AMENDMENT NOW. Outlaw all firearms, hold manufacturers liable for their misuse, give police broad power to searchg anywhere anytime for weapons. THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

esteban wrote on Nov 12, 2007 12:22 PM:Unbelieveable!!! I love how the comments in these blogs go from the facts of the story to gas prices, to renters, to illegals!!!! ...

Lauri Lockwood, The Californian editor wrote on Nov 12, 2007 12:23 PM:An updated story with slightly more information was posted under breaking news ... here is the Web link to help you find it. http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/11/12/news/top_stories/alerts/doc47389e95afc85129235239.txt

Renter, OH NO! wrote on Nov 12, 2007 12:37 PM:To "Informed" and "Temeku Hills Resident", as it has been mentioned, STAY ON TOPIC! Renting does not mean that this crime could have been prevented. Your short brained mentality is the downfall of this society. We are renters in Temeku, and take better care of this house than the owners did. Thank you to "Temecula Resident (Renter)" for those profound words. You said exactly what many of us wanted to say to these people that are turning "renters" into horrible human beings. Let's stay on focus, people, and not turn this into an issue about how these people didn't fit into society, but how they didn't fit into their own lives.

sam wrote on Nov 12, 2007 12:40 PM:temecula is not bad, so dont blame it on the drive or the people that lives here. its a sad incident that went bad & hopefully our olice dept. will get down to the bottom of it

LocalResident wrote on Nov 12, 2007 12:47 PM:esteban, this blog is an open forum to comment on the story above. There aren't any real 'facts' other than 5 people died, and there was a possible gun used by at least one of them (leading us to speculate that this was a 'murder/suicide'). Granted, most of the these posts are by people that don't have the slightest concept of contributing anything of value to a 'discussion'. They mearly just spout off whatever their current opinion is based on their own prejudices and hatred (renters, home owners, Temecula residents, long distance SUV drivers, low income, etc) and pushing their own agendas. The rest are just trying to defend themselves against the rants of the unhappy and 'unstable'. We should probably just ignore the negative posts and continue to post our positive thoughts to those directly affected by this. If anyone knows those affected, and knows of ways to help out the ones left behind by this tragedy, please post. There are plenty of caring people standing by, ready to lend a hand.

BRITT wrote on Nov 12, 2007 12:47 PM:THIS WAS MY FAMILY INVOLVED IN THIS, MY UNCLE AND MY COUSIN. THEY WERE WONDERFUL PEOPLE. AND FOR ALL U SNOTTY TEMECULA PEOPLE WHO THINK PEOPLE THAT RENT ARE NOT AS GOOD AS PEOPLE WHO OWN U GUYS HAVE IT WAY WRONG. JUST BECAUSE MY UNCLE RENTED A HOME DOES NOT MAKE HIM ANY LESS OF A PERSON, U GUYS DONT KNOW HIS SITUATION SO KEEP UR SNOTTY COMMENTS TO YOURSELF. AND CRIME IS EVERYWHERE!! JUST CUZ U GUYS LIVE IN TEMECULA U CANT JUSTIFY WHERE CRIME IS AND ISNT. GET REAL PEOPLE.. MY WHOLE FAMILY IS GOING THROUGH ALOT SO KEEP UR COMMENTS TO URSELF.. IV LIVED IN TEMECULA AND JUST CUZ ITS CLEAN WITH PARKS DONT MEAN ANYTHING. BE SERIOUS U STUCK UP RICH PEOPLE. GET A DOSE OF REAL LIFE. WELCOME TO THE REAL WORLD.

Temeku Hills Homeowner wrote on Nov 12, 2007 1:02 PM:Whoa. These things happen in any town no matter the demographics. Rancho Palos Verdes, Beverly Hills, La Jolla. It is a very unfortunate situation! Temecula is a fine area to live and raise a family. Sounds like a guy way down on his luck snapped.

Jim wrote on Nov 12, 2007 1:17 PM:Domestic violence? Anyone know where that was published or stated? Sure glad I didn't accidently cut-off the shooter on my way home from work on Sunday. I could have been on the wrong end of someones short string with a bullet in my brain.

Dennis wrote on Nov 12, 2007 1:20 PM:DCP: This is a sad story that seems to happen way to much these days. It has nothing to do with were we live. This is happening in far too many places and too amy times. IF! what is reported is true, this is a case of Domestic issues handled in a very sad way. Leave all the other issues out of this. Pray for the family

Tired..., wrote on Nov 12, 2007 1:33 PM:Is probably part the reason. All you people who have nothing better to do than make assumption and quick judgements. You know the the type, the one watching to see if you left your trashcans out 1 too many days, or if your kid left his bike out, or maybe if your dog barked last night, then picks up the phone to call theou HOA on you. HELLO,its true, we are all working our butts off to maintain OUR American dream, so can you kindly get off our backs long enough to give us a chance to breathe when we get home. Its very sad what has happened to this family, but once again, its people like YOU right away, putting the blame on people you don't even know. What are YOU doing in your neighborhood to make a difference? Did it ever occur to you that maybe they were struggling, maybe just dragging there trashcan in for them could have lightend their load just a little??? I love Temecula but I have to be honest, I have some of the rudest, most arrogant neighbors I have ever had to live next to, & THESE people OWN their homes. So if the good people of Temecula want to help prevent something like from happening their community, Stop, Look around & See what you can do to help. My prayers go out to this family and everyone involved including the neighborhood. We all get Tired, but thats what makes Temecula so great, overall, Its worth it. As someone wise once said, Just Keep Swimming...

Concerned-1 wrote on Nov 12, 2007 1:33 PM:Good job by The Californian and Lauri Lockwood of keeping us informed. I agree with LocalResident that historically the people in the valley genuinely rally in support whenever a tragedy happens. Just ask John Hunneman. For the rest of you: stay focused, keep an open mind, and try to have some empathy for the people close to this.

Lord help us! wrote on Nov 12, 2007 1:35 PM:How sad that someone lost all hope and took it out on 4 people, and himself. I pray we will all learn something from this tragedy, life is fragile handle with prayer, not a gun.

local resident wrote on Nov 12, 2007 1:58 PM:Temecula is still a nice place to live. Crime ocurrs everywhere, even in the best of neighborhoods! It is ignorant to say that Temecula is a bad place or not safe based on a crime. And it is even more ignorant to go off the topic of a very sad tragedy and then start blaming renters, economy, etc. Crime has no boundaries! This can happen anywhere. God bless the loved ones left behind from these victims!

Temecula resident wrote on Nov 12, 2007 2:00 PM:Does anyone else find it strange that in a "Murder/suicide" that was a shooting, that they "havent recovered a weapon"? Wouldn't the weapon HAVE to be there? And what about the shots being fired with the "first one, then a pause, then 4 in quick succession"? Wouldn't it be the other way around in a "murder/suicide"? Maybe it's just me but it doesn't seem to add up...should we be concerned that someone is actually out there that could have done this? After all, many of you pointed out that we are not exempt from crime...

To Britt wrote on Nov 12, 2007 2:21 PM:I am sorry that this happened to your family. May your faith keep you through this difficult time. Remember the happy memories you had with your uncle and cousins and pray. May their souls rest in peace and may your family find peace and solace in the coming days ahead.

So sad wrote on Nov 12, 2007 2:25 PM:After reading this I just have to remind you all of what Lincoln once said, "'Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt." So lets stop talking trash about Temecula and stick with the real story here. Instead of wasting time, PRAY. GOD BLESS THIS FAMILY, BE STRONG WITH THEM.

reader wrote on Nov 12, 2007 2:26 PM:To temecula resident- investigators did find a gun inside the house. Read the story above "On Monday, a sheriff's spokeman said investigators found a gun inside the home. They did not say what type of gun was used in the killings, nor where it was found" RIP all.... :-(

family wrote on Nov 12, 2007 2:27 PM:I just want to say, its very sad that you all just think it can happen only in your state it happens all the time. its very sad that it came down like this. one of the 5 wore my family members. what you need to be thinking of is the family left behind to deal with something so bad. not so wored about it happen in YOUR town.

So Cal Native wrote on Nov 12, 2007 2:28 PM:I wish all of you would stop and think about what you are talking about and what exactly is going on here. I have been in Temecula since 1992 and I can only remember 2 other issues since 1992. If all of you think it is so bad here PLEASE go back to where you came from. This is a very peaceful town and I know we all want it to stay that way, but the fact of the matter is that people have problems and sometimes do not know how to deal with them. How about taking a moment and think about the family that is left to deal with all of this tragedy. Also, with all of the money problems that some are having does not help. As far as keeping renters out what are you thinking, there are people that just lost everything because some idiot wanted to start a fire you want to kick those poor soles out. We all moved here for a reason and if you think that it will not happen even in Alaska or in the Coto of Orange County everyone of you need your heads examined. If you don't like it here PLEASE leave don't bash out home. Since everyone has so much to say how about putting a buck or two in the jar when you see it in the grocery store. We all need to say a few prayers for them.

Renae wrote on Nov 12, 2007 2:28 PM:Britt my heart goes out to you and you family during this most tragic event! I can't believe this newspaper is allowing some of the stupid comments being made here that have NOTHING to do with the facts 5 lives are gone & they have family & friends that are hurting more then they can imagine. In 2001 my best friend was a victim of a murder suicide so I know the pain, shock, disbelief, anger, sadness you are going through! Not all of us from this area are insensetive to ours heartache. You & your family will be in my thoughts & prayers

Jeff wrote on Nov 12, 2007 2:28 PM:They did say that a weapon was found and indicated it was inside the house. They also said that both men were in the back yard, indicating it was a woman to did the murders.

Lauri Lockwood, The Californian editor wrote on Nov 12, 2007 2:30 PM:To Temecula resident: The weapon was in the house all night and we didn't mean to imply otherwise. After removing the victim who was still alive and securing the scene, the officers waited outside until a warrant could be issued for them to thoroughly search the house. Once the search warrant was in hand, they entered the home and located the weapon. Authorities said from the get-go that they had no reason to believe that the person responsible for the crime was running loose on the streets. I know it's frustrating to not have more information, and trust me we are pushing to get as many details as we can. I hope to have IDs of at least some of the victims out soon. We're waiting on that right now. To all: please do remember that this is a tragic situation and there are going to be family members in a lot of pain. I know we live in a caring, civil community and I truly hope that we can keep the comments civil.

WOW...... wrote on Nov 12, 2007 2:37 PM:You all almost have the answer why....renters.....housing prices.....keep on speculating - you will find the truth! People snap for whatever reason. We can't allways find the formula. "Not in my backyard" No...no - not in my city, anywhere but here! (Until I need to move...then anywhere but there)

Renters? wrote on Nov 12, 2007 2:37 PM:Yeah, only renters do things like this....What an idiot thing to say..

temekulite wrote on Nov 12, 2007 2:44 PM:We are so quick to make negative assumptions about people when we do not know or understand their personal situation. I was a renter in a Temecula neighborhood when I was doing through a marital separation and I was the odd/unsocial one on the block. Honestly I didn't feel like being social at the time especially with my snobby temporary neighbors. I was glad to move back into my neighborhood in the home I own. I understand sometimes people snap and it can happen anywhere in any neighborhood.

The Last Word wrote on Nov 12, 2007 2:45 PM:Most of you "posters" are literary "posers" just looking to get your words out there for the pure joy of seeing your words in print. I've lived in Temecula since '03 and bought here coming back from overseas because the prices were better than San Diego and we wanted a new neighborhood for our children. We bought here because of the great opportunity--that is why people come to this COUNTRY is the first place. This does not happen because someone rented a home or knew people who once rented a home in the 70's. It happened, undoubtedly, because there was a high level of despair, desperation, anger, and, ultimately, poor conflict resolution skills. And those things can happen to anyone--regardless of how much money is in your wallet. Temecula is NOT LA's South Central, nor is it moving anywhere close to that. My home is sandwiched between two Temecula cops and we discuss the city's safety quite often. It's safe here; much safer than most places. There are isolated incidences such as this and they are extremely rare and unfortunate--given the population size. Some of this, though, I can't help but feel, is, at least in part, the fault of us--the neighbors. We see someone in trouble and despair and, rather than approach them, we gossip about it over our dinner tables. Rather than reach out--possibly saving a horrible situation from happening--we isolate ourselves. Get involved, people. Neighborhood watch programs are ALWAYS successful. Don't stand for trashy people or shady characters on your street. Call the police if you don't want to personally get involved and these cops will always be glad to come out and check it out. they have an uncanny way of discovery trouble--even the slightest signs--if it's present. However, and again, like rodents, we just pull our heads back into our holes at the earliest sign of trouble. A forum like this, though, well, this is just full of experts who spout off about what we need and what's wrong. Of course, they do it from inside their homes. Go ahead and ask...what about me? Yeah, I started the neighborhood watch program on my street. Knock on wood, we've had no problems. Our neighbors, just about every night, our out in the street with our kids while they play and the adults talk. We all know each other, when someone is going on vacation, etc. Anyway, wise up, keep your eyes open, and don't be so judgmental. This happens, as many have mentioned, in all neighborhoods; from Brentwood to Amish Country.

Penny wrote on Nov 12, 2007 3:16 PM:Dear Britt--I'm so sorry to hear about your loss!! I feel for you and your family. No, it has nothing to do with renters--and all you people that think so-need a definate attitude adjustment!!! I am a renter and the first one to help out anyone that needs it! Wake up-you stuck up home owners and realize that this world has problems everywhwere!!!Not only Temecula--even though alot of you Temecula people think you're --it don't stink--sorry to inform you that you smell just as bad as everyone else!

reWOW wrote on Nov 12, 2007 3:24 PM:"WOW", you are an embarrassment to the the region! You should have finished high school...

WONDERING wrote on Nov 12, 2007 3:37 PM:Britt, please tell us your family members names and what was going on with their lives. Any insight into what may have happened?

writing to Britt wrote on Nov 12, 2007 3:44 PM:BRITT, it sounds like this forum has taken a sad detour. Such is the freedom of the internet. For your well-being and sanity, I would advise you to log off and not return to this forum. Grieve with family and friends, not strangers making hurtful comments. I'm sure you can establish a respectful blog, ... , to share memories and give YOU the freedom to edit and post comments.

RE-RE WOW wrote on Nov 12, 2007 3:44 PM:well..you are right about the finishing high school! One thing I did learn is how to refain from CHILDISH insults....but obviously not hipocracy huh? An embarrassment to the region :) How funny...the region huh, well I guess it could be worse. Do I know you?

Momof4inMurrieta wrote on Nov 12, 2007 3:45 PM:When did the word "cuz" and "ur" become acceptable spelling? Because it is easier to type? Are we that lazy? Good spelling is a good habit to have. Purposely trying to spell wrong is supposed to be cool? I just don't think this is a good example to show our children. Rich people and poor people commit murder. And right now, renters are in the best situation anyways. Temecula and Murrieta beat out Moreno Valley, East Los Angeles, Inglewood, South Central... I bet there were more murders in Beverly Hills last year than Temecula and Murrieta combined. So everyone move to Alaska, I am happy here. As for the teens having nothing to do!!! I'm so tired of that. Teens can go to the mall, the movies, and perhaps go to youth groups, church groups, volunteer their time, tutor younger children, here is a thought, get a part time job on weekends, babysit, pull weeds for elderly homeowners. What a thought. Maybe thats better than a nightclub or a skate park. Serves someone other than themselves.

Chris wrote on Nov 12, 2007 3:58 PM:Please stop calling these comments "blogs". This is a news article and you are posting "comments" not blogs. Your definition of blog is way off. ... Anyway, RIP to the family, I hope everything gets better and the whoever is involved gets proper help. I've lived in Temecula 8 years (from Palos Verdes) and I wouldn't trade it for anything. The community here, the natural beauty, the attention to community...In PV I could go 10 miles in the wrong direction and end up in DEEP gang territory. People that talk about crime and Temecula have no idea what REAL crime looks like. Even when I lived in Irvine we had crazy sword wielding guys going crazy in our local Albertsons. Temecula and Murrieta have it really good. Even Lake Elsinore - it might not be "as nice" but it is much better than many places in San Diego and LA (I'm looking at you Chula Vista, National City, East SD, Long Beach, Compton, Carson, San Pedro, Watts, Norwalk...I can go on and on)

BRITT wrote on Nov 12, 2007 4:01 PM:ID RATHER NOT GO INTO MY FAMILYS NAMES THATS OUR BUSINESS UNTILL IT COMES OUT IN THE MEDIA, WE STILL HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS THAT ARE UN AWARE OF WHAT HAPPENED LIKE MY GRANDMOTHER (ONE OF THE VICTIMS MOTHERS) WHO WERE REALLY STRUGGLING TO TELL CUZ OF HER HEALTH.SO PLEASE UNDERSTAND WHERE IM COMING FROM. EVERYTHING IS STILL UNDER INVESTIGATION. AFTER READING SUM OF UR COMMENTS I AM IN SHOCK TO READ WHAT SUM OF U GUYS HAVE TO SAY, U GUYS ARE QUICK TO JUMP TO WHAT "U THINK" HAPPENED.. U GUYS HAVE NO IDEA. SO PLEASE HAVE A HEART... I THINK U RICH PEOPLE AHVE ONE RIGHT?? UR NORMAL PEOPLE LIKE US.. AND WHO SAID MY UNCLE WAS A RENTER?? GOES TO SHOW HOW MUCH U KNOW.

karina wrote on Nov 12, 2007 4:06 PM:Brit: I just want to say that we are saying prayers for you and all your loved ones- you need to be strong. God bless you- and people please leave conforting messages for her and her loved ones-please they don't need bashing-please peolpe show that you care.

What the? wrote on Nov 12, 2007 4:08 PM:You did...In your last post.

Is Britt really really wrote on Nov 12, 2007 4:09 PM:Is Britt really a family member?? In an above post it says JUST BECAUSE MY UNCLE RENTED A HOME DOES NOT MAKE HIM ANY LESS OF A PERSON.. now it says AND WHO SAID MY UNCLE WAS A RENTER?? GOES TO SHOW HOW MUCH U KNOW. " Just asking.

Peacemaker wrote on Nov 12, 2007 4:11 PM:We are getting ahead of ourselves. Temecula is a great place to live, so let's not make this situation more than it is: a tragedy. It's also important to remember that a tragedy is NOT a trend.

Vicky wrote on Nov 12, 2007 4:14 PM:I can see school is out, because of the way some write in this blog. God bless the family. They will need a lot of help after this. About Temeku Hill, love it here the best.

Blacktop wrote on Nov 12, 2007 4:17 PM:Britt - We are all very sorry for your loss. If you feel like it, tell us what you think happened, and who the victims were. When did gansters take over Temeku Hills?

commuting wrote on Nov 12, 2007 4:18 PM:crime IS everywhere! No one is immune to it, so stop thinking that Temecula is holding all the riff-raff hostage here! If you don't like living in Temecula, move on! Find anywhere that is 100% safe and I will follow! Good luck!

Horrible events... wrote on Nov 12, 2007 4:18 PM:like this don't happen in Rancho Santa Fe where only the well-heeled live and play. I rarely venture out of my ritzy home because of the slumy areas of the county like Encinitas and Carlsbad. Uber-rich folks like me feel safe from the great unwashed (you) since we can afford private security and enact discriminatory laws. ta ta

getmeoutofhere wrote on Nov 12, 2007 4:20 PM:Everybody thinks Temecula is this great place to live. It's average period.

Let it go wrote on Nov 12, 2007 4:24 PM:'writing to Brit' has some good advice Britt. I can undertand that the newspaper wants to give us our 'freedom of speech', but it's unfortunate that such ridiculous rantings still make it through in what was probably started as a well meaning comment section to help bring people together. As far as 'renters', by the looks of it, most of you who have gotten so offended probably didn't take a minute to read the this page of posts. 'Temeku Hills Resident' wrote one line, and instead of just ignoring this 'idiot', everyone decided to take personal offense to it and rant through the entire blog. Over 50 posts later, there was a second post (by informed). 2 tiny comments out of 100+ posts and the majority of you are going off because of it. I bet the two posters are just grinning ear to ear at the uproar they started over their posts. LET IT GO. This blog is not about 'renters verses owners' and if you had read it, you'd see that it was just 2 little negative posts, not the majority of this forum. The majority seems to be people that are just looking for something to argue about. It you are looking to 'debate', start your own forum. Don't do it here please.

Robert wrote on Nov 12, 2007 4:26 PM:I only wish to reiterate the point I tried to make earlier- stop jumping to illogical conclusions. If your going to comment- how about not speculating and just commenitng on the nature of the tragedy? ... This family is grieving and people are using this as soap box for commuting, housing prices... stop pontificating.

Clane wrote on Nov 12, 2007 4:31 PM:What makes the crime all the more fascinating is that Wild Bill Hickcock did not gun down that many people in a single act of gunplay. Those of us who crave this kind of thing, murder mysteries and whatnot, need all the details we can get. Enquiring minds want to know!

Tito wrote on Nov 12, 2007 4:31 PM:Well, Temecula has one less gun to worry about.

Joe wrote on Nov 12, 2007 4:35 PM:TEMECULA IS AVERAGE NO BETTER NO WORSE!

Blacktop wrote on Nov 12, 2007 4:44 PM:"Jeff Blixt's sister and a family friend just came out and addressed the media and identified some of the people who were killed at the Iron Circle home on Sunday. According to family friend Elizabeth Daigel and Tammara Arredondo, who is Blixt's sister, the people killed in the shooting were: Jeff Blixt; his 17-year-old son Matthew; Jeff's girlfriend Naomi; and her 15-year-old twin daughters, whose names were not released. The girls are students at a Temecula school. Blixt's 12-year-old daughter was home at the time, saw what had happened and fled, the women said."

Someone who rents wrote on Nov 12, 2007 4:46 PM:I am not here to bash anyone but I do want to say that this has nothing to do with the fact they were renters. Come on. Not all of us can afford to own a home. I owned a home until my husband decided to leave us. Now that I rent a home does that make me less then you? This horrible event could happen ANYWHERE. It doesn't mean that Temecula is a unsafe city to live in now. Go spend a night in LA where there are shootings every other night and then tell me that Temecula is unsafe. The main reason I came here today was to tell the families and friends of these 5 victims that they are in my thoughts and prayers during this time of loss.

temecula since 1991 wrote on Nov 12, 2007 4:50 PM:Temecula is not the problem for which this peticular crime took place. It was obviously a family issue that does not include most of us. I'm just sorry for the family that has to live with this horrible incident that took place. Be in Temecula or anywhere in the world.

Shawna wrote on Nov 12, 2007 4:51 PM:I am a homeowner and was a renter not that long ago. It doesn't matter if you own or rent there are always issues. Temecula is a beautiful place to live. Just because 1 bad thing happens everyone wants to blame everyone else. That is just plain ignorant. Don't judge others until you walk a mile in their shoes. Britt I am very soory for your family and I wish you all the best.

Trmn8r wrote on Nov 12, 2007 4:54 PM:So what is anyone doing to make things better in your community?!?

ANgry wrote on Nov 12, 2007 5:24 PM:I am angry...I left the hospital friday night listening to a young man plea for help, saying he can't handle life anymore, and he desperatley wants help. The female officer in front of the hospital continued to nod her head. Why wasn't he just admitted, he sai