So what? wrote on Nov 27, 2007 9:11 PM:Temecula is so full of narrow-minded richie-rich snobs. By keeping our kids out of school isn't going to do anyone any good, especially those kids. Let them teach them about alternative lifestyles...it's a reality people!!!

Darn Liberals... wrote on Nov 27, 2007 9:13 PM:teaching our kids tolerance and respect for others. Curse them for trying to make schools a healthy environment for learning and growing. Curse those pesky liberals like Gov. Arnold and the many Republican lawmakers who voted for the measure.

OH MY GOD wrote on Nov 27, 2007 9:35 PM:Teaching hatred is so much more valuable! Keep your kids home...that way we know who the bigots are!!!!

Indoctrination? wrote on Nov 27, 2007 9:37 PM:Yes, it's all part of our plan to make the world gay by Tuesday!!!!

Please... wrote on Nov 27, 2007 9:46 PM:These activists are only harming local schools! What a waste of energy and funds, why don't they actually read the bills so they understand their meaning. There is no teaching agenda whatsoever stated in the bills, they will only protect people from discrimination! Im disgusted with the feelings and actions of these activists, lets continue to create a safe and tolerent environment for our children to learn and grow.

Dennis wrote on Nov 27, 2007 9:50 PM:I hope NCTimes let’s me sound off for a second. Just like Abortion and Gun Control, there are two sides. It is the responsibility of the Government and, Obligation to litigate all “Opposing sides”. All three subjects Homosexually, Gun control, Abortion. The against side quote “GOD” for there side “Or else”. I am afraid of their “Or else” Rock throwing, Tar and Feathering, Violence. That’s funny christianly reasoning. Remember “We the people” means Peace also. I’m not afraid of Guns, Abortion, Homosexually. They might have caused Rome to fall, but not the U.S. Don’t be afraid and turn thy cheek, these are minor “Litigateable subjects.

John K. wrote on Nov 27, 2007 10:13 PM:To OH MY GOD: My thoughts exactly! ... post their names so the other kids know who to stay away from lest they be attacked verbally, or worse, physically. It's a shame, because these intolerant parents are the ones doing the indoctrinating: they are indoctrinating their kids to hate. If not for parents, there would be no homophobic bullying in school because the kids wouldn't think twice about it. But, when they hear their parents make disparaging jokes and remarks about gay people at the dinner table, the kids take that to school. You parents should be ashamed of yourselves. You are the reason this law is necessary.

(rolling my eyes) wrote on Nov 27, 2007 10:38 PM:what, do they think it's contagious? Pathetic. "Love your neighbor (as long as he's not gay)" -- don't remember Jesus saying that! Xavier says he's "terrified for the kids" -- are you serious?? Sorry, but some priests are more dangerous than your gay neighbor (and yes, straight pedaphillic priests exist). Hatred is so disgusting. "Sorry kids, today's lesson is no longer math. Today we learn how to discriminate. See that person? She's BAD (hiss)" Sure this is a current article and not from medieval times?

What? wrote on Nov 27, 2007 10:53 PM:Dennis, could you try again? I have no idea what you were trying to say. Considering the fact that they need written permission to teach sex ed I somehow doubt they will be teaching homosexual ed. High School is brutal enough, I would advise any gay person to stay in the closet until after they grraduate. It isn't fair or right but high schoolers aren't particularly fair minded.

Roy wrote on Nov 27, 2007 11:05 PM:Keep the Liberal social engineers out of the classroom. When these kids turn eighteen they can deal with these ADULT issues on their own. We do not need to bring this non education junk into the schools. I have nothing against gays or alternative lifestyles but I do have something against the using of our schools for the purpose of political indoctrination. It is bad enough that a huge number of kids graduate without reading, math, and writing skills that are adequate to do well in the work place. Why add another distraction when more emphasis on "core" learning is what is desperately needed?

keepyoureyesopen wrote on Nov 28, 2007 12:00 AM:Nice how the article doesn't mention that boys will be allowed in girls' restrooms/locker rooms and girls into boys'. Maybe you should actually look up what SB 777 entails.

Erik wrote on Nov 28, 2007 2:58 AM:I don't want my children growing up thinking being gay is morally acceptable. I would still love them if they where, but I will not condone it. At the same time that doesn’t mean I or other Christians hate gay or lesbian people. I view homosexuals no different then a fornicator. Both are immoral. That doesn’t mean I think gays are bad people either. However, I don’t want a transgender (male) coach in my daughter’s locker room watching her undress or a gay kindergarten teacher openly promoting their lifestyle to my impressionable trusting 5 year old son. What bothers me the most is that lawmakers are deciding what is moral and immoral by passing these laws without allowing us to vote. What if legislation passes a bill protecting bestiality and allows it to be openly discussed and promoted in public schools and made it illegal to discriminate against someone who proudly has sex with their dog? Where is the line drawn?

Howiek wrote on Nov 28, 2007 4:15 AM:It’s all part of a secret plot initiated by the Teletubbies! Yes, folks keep your kids home and deprive them of their education and then turn around and blame the schools for not teaching them—brilliant, simply brilliant.

bill wrote on Nov 28, 2007 5:24 AM:Next the schools will be teaching beastality as an alternative sexual orientation. My message to parents, WAKE UP!!! It isn't getting any better. Do whatever you need to do to make sure your kids don't fall into the same trap as the majority.

Tolerance wrote on Nov 28, 2007 5:45 AM:Gee, all of you opened minded folks here! You encourage things like peace rallies and gay pride parades but are suddenly against a protest of another kind! It is their right to object and protest. Bottom line is that the "homosexual" population is minute and the number of hate crimes or discrimination against that population is also minute BUT that hasn't stopped them from making it look like we are all a bunch of homophobs! Yes, there are a large number of alternative lifesyles out there but they do not all have to be recognized in our educational systems. Face it, the only reason the homosexuals are getting all of this attention is because of their lobbing ability not because there is a huge problem.

Gay Rights? wrote on Nov 28, 2007 6:24 AM:Then you must also cover animal beastilty, S & M, the list goes on and on, we can't descriminate, can we? I see law suit after law suit on this ridiculious bill. Hey Arnie, don't forget your buddy, Gray Davis! Lot more parents in this state than gays.

Randy wrote on Nov 28, 2007 6:56 AM:If parents choose to keep their children home from school, that is their right. Parents are responsible for the education of their children, not the government.

It's amazing. wrote on Nov 28, 2007 6:56 AM:The range of phobias that exist in this area. Most of them are religious in nature, of course. I do agree with OMG. Those who stay home are the real bigots.

its over wrote on Nov 28, 2007 7:06 AM:Our next president will be a closet gay or marches in gay parades. we are being taken over. this is not a gay country. most people are not gay. Obviously its their choice but its also our choice to not be force fed their lifestyle. When will someone take a stand??

Mike wrote on Nov 28, 2007 7:10 AM:If the public schools teach homosexuality as well as math and science, parents need not worry - they will learn nothing.

JP wrote on Nov 28, 2007 7:11 AM:Lloyd Levine and his fellow Democrats strike another blow for the wussification of California.

P wrote on Nov 28, 2007 7:13 AM:Anyone who puts their child in a public school is irresponsible. Yes I know, some people can't help it, but, to sacrifice your child so you can work for a big house and new cars is selfish. It isn't just homosexuality that they are forcing either. It's abortion, birth control at 12, tree hugging, everything is OK if it makes you feel good. We have become a sick country.

Fred H wrote on Nov 28, 2007 7:16 AM:WHO CARES!?

Anybody? wrote on Nov 28, 2007 7:38 AM:understand what Dennis is trying to say? Also, I'm interested in reading the "gay agenda." Is it online somewhere, posted like the city council agendas?

Einstein wrote on Nov 28, 2007 7:51 AM:Most of these ... probably didn't even vote on these bills! ...

JK wrote on Nov 28, 2007 7:51 AM:"It's not about the people, homosexuals. It's about the indoctrination that will go forward," said Vincent Xavier, pastor of New Wine. "We're terrified for the kids." Quoted in this article from one more Pastor that would rather our schools teach creationism (that is actually religious indoctrination)instead of science and tolerance. Just a little hypocritical wouldn't you say?

Kim wrote on Nov 28, 2007 7:53 AM:Ah yes. Rob your child of two days of education, teach them bigotry and hatred in a world full of diverse people. They'll be shaving their heads and wearing white sheets at night before you know it. Political activism? Sounds more like stupidity to me.

Jeff wrote on Nov 28, 2007 7:55 AM:Teach your kids to hate. That's what the Islamic extremists do.

Conchita wrote on Nov 28, 2007 8:16 AM:It's about time we need to look at ourselves and evaluate the harm it would do if we don't enforce antidiscrimination. There were many deaths caused by hatred due to difference in gender. Many were teenagers and a few adults. Families of the victims still mourn. Parents who foster hatred need to trade places to understand. Empathy?

elaygee wrote on Nov 28, 2007 8:26 AM:I agree with OH MY GOD, at least we'll know that the schools are safer with all the bigots and religious zealots off the premises.

esteban wrote on Nov 28, 2007 8:27 AM:come on, just keep in the closet. Don't ask and don't tell.

what happened to wrote on Nov 28, 2007 8:30 AM:seperation between church and state?

Clover wrote on Nov 28, 2007 8:31 AM:It's apparent that they are sooo worried about their children's education. Don't send them to school so they'll become as stupid as we are. That seems to be the message I get from all this.

Concerned-1 wrote on Nov 28, 2007 8:34 AM:Homosexuals have the same rights as anyone else, nothing more or nothing less. I don't know why we need this kind of a law, however, keeping students out of school is blatantly wrong.

FormerTemeculan Doug wrote on Nov 28, 2007 8:40 AM:If parents really want to protect the innocence of their children, they might consider keeping the little ones from attending church, not school.

ME wrote on Nov 28, 2007 8:43 AM:Welcome to the 1950's.

here,here wrote on Nov 28, 2007 8:44 AM:Speak your mind Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed two bills that will be law January 1, 2008, SB777 (must protect against discrimination, which is already in effect under Education Code 220 and AB 537, also authored by Kuehl, which is the Student Safety and Violence Prevention Act of 2000) and AB394 (requires the state Department of Education to monitor adherence to antidiscrimination and antiharassment requirements in local education agencies). If there is something in these bills that you don't agree with, make your voice heard. If you don't say anything, our voices will be but a whisper, barely audible to those who need to hear it. Use your voice. With our mouths, we are capable of reaching many different volumes from a whisper to a shout. Our voices can be a powerful tool. There are already anti-discrimination laws in effect to protect all groups of people. Do we need more? When there is so much more important issues at stake.

Patricia C. wrote on Nov 28, 2007 8:54 AM:This is an incredible article! Thank God and you for being so bold to expose and bring to light these issues at this time. I have sudied these bills and they are much more than simple anti discrimination bills. The spirit of Sodom and Gomrrah is raising its ugly head in Clifornia, and the people of this state must wake up now! These laws will destroy our children, famlies and state..

David wrote on Nov 28, 2007 8:56 AM:Just one of many reasons I keep my children away from social experimentation public schools. Government needs to focus on real issues rather than trying to please the minority

Darn, wrote on Nov 28, 2007 8:58 AM:They can now visit each others bathrooms, gym showers etc. Another sign that we need VOUCHERS, VOUCHERS VOUCHERS!

hmmm... wrote on Nov 28, 2007 8:59 AM:To each his own, as long as he agrees with YOU. People have a right to be against homosexuality. How about this scenario? New laws say we define one based on their identity, not biological. You want some guy taking a shower in P.E. with your daughter? You want to be gay, fine. No one cares. But there will always be some that will not accept it as normal, and you have to accept that also, because that is their right. No, they cannot abuse you for it, but they do not have to accept it. All of this "in your face" legislation has set the opinions of homosexuality back 20 years.

Joy X. wrote on Nov 28, 2007 9:00 AM:Education NOT indoctrination! This was not an issue until it was pushed by the homosexual agenda. Now because of the bullying of homosexuals in state legislative offices our kids are not getting a fair education on what they need for their future. Children as young as five years old will become aware of a conflct they had no idea of before. This must be ended! This foolishness must be ended!

Euphoric Reality wrote on Nov 28, 2007 9:05 AM:These dopey liberals in Sacramento must stop the social engineering and indoctrination of our society. In 2000, Californians voted OVERWHELMINGLY to define marriage as between one man and one woman. Homosexuality is just another dysfunctional behavior and the government shouldn't be putting this kind of behavior up on a pedestal. If this kind of sexual behavior can gain a special privilege status, what is stop stop other sexual behaviors from gaining special privilege status as well? What about people who are into leather and bondage? What about people who are into whipped cream? What about the pedophiles? I am sure that all of these odd/dysfunctional sexual behaviors 'feel' just as biological as homosexuality does to homosexuals. If the state grants special privilege status to one dysfunctional lifestyle, then it will be compelled to grant this same status to all sorts of dysfunctional behaviors. Are polygamy, incest and pedophilia next to be given the same special privilege status as homosexuality? At this rate, the answer would be yes. Advocates for Faith and Freedom have my support in suing the state to try to throw out 777. The 'tolerance' and 'diversity' that 777 brings about is submerging California into a cultural sewer. California is the laughing stock of the nation and the world. My donation check is in the mail to Advocates for Faith and Freedom.

X-man wrote on Nov 28, 2007 9:07 AM:Don't believe the liars. These two laws will destroy the children. We may as well strap a nuclear bomb on the back of the five year old children, when we force the homosexual agenda on their inocent minds. We let the pedophiles and predators loose when we legalize this kind of evil. What's next? Are we going to now teach the children that stealing is okay and geneticaly motivated???? Homosexuality is a sin against God! Period

Chowski wrote on Nov 28, 2007 9:12 AM:But, if all the Christo-fascist kids stay home, think of all the reality-based education the schools can accomplish without having to pay lip service to faith-based "knowledge". Somehow, I sense the grading curve will be thrown off when the "talking-snake-apple-eating-rib-woman-creationists" stay home for two days.

Mike From Escondido wrote on Nov 28, 2007 9:47 AM:The far left agenda is alive and well, but hidden behind the usual "diversity and anti-discrimination" labels. These bills open the doors for the allowance of serious indoctrination of our children into alternative lifestyles that should only be the prerogative of the child’s parents. We know that most schools will use these laws as a guideline only for anti-discrimination, but we also know that liberal school leaders will use these laws for indoctrination. The badly written wording allows either usage. The governor should be held directly responsible for this mistake.

Mike From Escondido wrote on Nov 28, 2007 9:50 AM:The far left agenda is alive and well, but hidden behind the usual "diversity and anti-discrimination" labels. These bills open the doors for the allowance of serious indoctrination of our children into alternative lifestyles that should only be the prerogative of the child’s parents. We know that most schools will use these laws as a guideline only for anti-discrimination, but we also know that liberal school leaders will use these laws for indoctrination. The badly written wording allows either usage. The governor should be held directly responsible for this mistake.

Show us... wrote on Nov 28, 2007 9:54 AM:where it says boys and girls are allowed into each others' bathrooms, "keep...", I'm not seeing it. Although I do see a whole lot about teaching students in their "primary language", which, if that happens to be Spanish, well, I think that's more of an issue than worrying about homosexuality. Come on, let's talk priorities here.

Any good teacher wrote on Nov 28, 2007 9:56 AM:would never discuss their sex life with children in school, so I think what you're worried about, Erik, are teachers - gay or straight - that are inappropriate. There's a big difference. Just because a teacher is gay doesn't automatically mean they're going to go in and start drawing diagrams of how have sex when you're gay. Think about it.

LR wrote on Nov 28, 2007 10:04 AM:keepyoureyesopen: I've read the law. Have a copy of it right here. Don't see what you're talking about. Please name the section where you're getting this from?

char wrote on Nov 28, 2007 10:18 AM:I too am sad for our kids. There is no reason why our innocent children should be taught about homosexuality in schools. Our founding fathers were believers in Jesus Christ...look where we are today...the bible is against homosexuality, among other things. This does not mean that there should be hate...hate the sin, not the sinner. We are all sinners. We all need to die to our selves and repent. We should not tolerate something that is to harm our kids minds. What ever happened to morals? There should be no compromising. I encourage all you bloggers to really read what sb777 really means. Our schools and our country are in trouble. I pray for all of you that are blind to the truth of what is really happening here.

Scott wrote on Nov 28, 2007 10:27 AM:I don't think this bill should pass. Not because I am against homo sexuals, but because sexual orientation should make no difference at all or have anything to do with school. I think your basic anti-discrimination rules cover it all pretty well. This just doesn't seems necessary. I think it's actually pretty funny how homophobic these churches are. But also sad that they are encouraging parents to let there kids be singled out as biggots, over something that ultimately makes no difference in there education at all.

VOUCHERS NOW wrote on Nov 28, 2007 10:30 AM:This is why we need the vouchers! It's all part of the same plan: forbid your kids from being homeschooled (even though they are better educated that way) and give the teachers a monopoly on education. The State wants to exercise mind control on your kids, but you MUST NOT LET THEM! Resist their evil plans for your kids. It's only going to get worse

READ people!!! wrote on Nov 28, 2007 10:49 AM:Nowhere does this article OR the bill say that anyone will be "teaching homosexuality" to your children. How many times does this have to be pointed out to you??!!! It's beyond belief that you people are so blinded by your own ignorance, you absolutely REFUSE to read and understand the truth! Pity your poor children growing up with you in your obvious state of ingorant stupor!

And who exactly wrote on Nov 28, 2007 10:49 AM:will be held responsible when something terribly wrong happens in the girls/boys shower rooms? Schools will be sued up and down.

you people are insane wrote on Nov 28, 2007 10:56 AM:How can you possibly believe, in this day and age of *science*, that homosexuality is a "lifestyle" that people choose? Oh right, I forgot, it's in the Bible that it's a "sin". That's as open to interpretation as any book ever written. If you can speak and write ancient Hebrew then you are qualified to interpret those ancient, incomplete, superstitious writings for the rest of us. Until then, keep your Christo-fascist (thanks, Chowski) rantings to yourselves. Guess what? You likely had a homosexual teacher in your own schooling at some point (public or private or parochial), and I seriously doubt that their *private* lives ever encroached on how they did their jobs in the classroom. So please, make yourselves useful and apply your "Christian" ideals to something worthwhile like helping the poor, the homeless, the environment, etc. etc. That's what Jesus would do.

I'm with Former Temeculan... wrote on Nov 28, 2007 10:56 AM:If you want to teach your children right from wrong and how not to be a hypocrite, keep them away from these religious zealots. They're a bunch of ostriches wishing they could shove their perpetual state of self-proclaimed righteousness down everyone's throats. This certainly has NOTHING to do with God or spirituality. It has everything to do with their own egos.

Harumph wrote on Nov 28, 2007 11:02 AM:They can protest all they want, but as is typical of religious people married to dogma, their "faith" never allows them to see very far in the future and incorporate the change that is inevitable. Name one paradigm shift that has occured in our history that was led by religion? What fools.

you people aren't getting it!! wrote on Nov 28, 2007 11:06 AM:Seperation between church and state. this should not be an issue!!!!! ignorant, ignorant people.

Ignorance wrote on Nov 28, 2007 11:07 AM:Seperation between church and state. Helllooooo!?!?!?!?!?!

Religion.. wrote on Nov 28, 2007 11:07 AM:Teaches nothing but hate!

Grey Matter wrote on Nov 28, 2007 11:15 AM:The homosexual activists are such hypocrites. The homosexual lobby continually demands that the government stays out of their bedrooms because their homosexual behavior is PRIVATE. Okay, as a libertarian I can buy this. Yet, why does the homosexual lobby continually insist on forcing their PRIVATE bedroom behavior into the PUBLIC arena which includes our schools? The intolerant militant homosexual lobby seems to want to eat their cake yet also keep their cake at the same time. If you are a homosexual, I am all in favor of the government letting you keep your strange consensual activities PRIVATE. By the same standard, stop trying to cram your PRIVATE behavior down the throats of impressionable students in our PUBLIC classrooms. Get it now? Class dismissed.

Norco wrote on Nov 28, 2007 11:21 AM:Adults cause so much chaos. Kids are much more logical.

Get the facts wrote on Nov 28, 2007 11:33 AM:Go to [Web site] then click on Join the CA Boycott, then click on connecting the legal dots. You'll find the info there. You can also watch the video on Gay Indoctrination of School Age Children where it shows an actual school indoctrinating the children. That's on the right corner of the website. Kids should learn about various families but it's not up to the schools to decide which lifestyles are acceptable or not. To the Christian, Jewish, Mormon, Muslim community, homosexuality is not an acceptable lifestyle and to teach that it is would be an abomination to each of their faith. It's not just the Christian community that's angry.

Tolerance wrote on Nov 28, 2007 11:40 AM:The trouble with all of this has been discussed above several times. If this was about genuine homesexuals that would be one thing BUT it's not. If you have ever seen a "Gay" pride parade the majority of the people there are not just homosexual, they are people with different fetishes that parade them around and stuff them down our throats (transexuals, bondage, etc). The same way the Gay agenda has been stuffed down our throats now for years. If you have noticed these bills do not just talk about gender they talk about the person's "gender Identity" meaning those people that are destined to be transgender types. All of these issues are changing our culture and our country.

Devil's Advocate wrote on Nov 28, 2007 11:50 AM:How do we go from "not discriminating based on sex or sexual orientation" to beastiality???? WHOA!!!! Even if you disagree with ANY bill, taking your kids out of a local school and therefore depriving that school of funding WILL NOT affect the lawmakers. The same people will complain when programs get cut due to the budget!

to tolerance wrote on Nov 28, 2007 11:53 AM:ohhh i get it....you're allowed to shove religion down our throats but other people cant do the same. i see. you are so ignorant.

Kathy wrote on Nov 28, 2007 11:59 AM:What is this country coming to? The first mistake made was allowing homosexuals to adopt! If you haven't checked your biology books, children should not even be associated with homosexual parenting. Mom and mom will never make little Joey so why even pretend that this is a proper family. Yes I know every family is unique but a homosexual couple can never produce what God created as a blessings between a husband and wife. Obviously these kids come from moms and dads and now are growing up in a completely mixed up reality as to what is biologically correct! The Bible says homosexuals were given over by their own lusts to use their bodies for what is not natural. Lust drives people to adultery, fornication, pornography, pediphilia, and yes, homosexuality!

What? wrote on Nov 28, 2007 12:14 PM:You religous fanatics scare me. Do you really think they are going to use this to justify teaching kids to be gay? Do you really believe this is even possible? Do you really believe that boys will start going into the girls locker room? And girls will start going into the boys locker room? You are all insane and you scare me.

What? wrote on Nov 28, 2007 12:17 PM:To "it's over" First you say the gays are taking over then you say there aren't very many of them. Which is it?

They're everywhere wrote on Nov 28, 2007 12:22 PM:There's plenty of gays in the hypocritical Christian community - probably one sitting behind you in church every Sunday. Remember that the next time you bend over to pick up your hymn book.

Unbelievable wrote on Nov 28, 2007 12:27 PM:For the life of me I can't understand why at the first mention of homosexulality these religious hypocritical crazies start judging (which according to the bible is God's job) and protesting in hate. This bill is about tolerance and keeping ALL of our kids safe. This bill is about wanting a safe and positive environment for kids at school where ridicule and sterotyping runs rampet. When we teach about racism and civil rights we don't teach kids how to be black or about how to live an oppressed lifestlye. Gays are not concerned about making other people gay. All we want is equality, acceptance, and for people not to immediately associate our sexuality with sex! People need to calm down and stop wasting energy on holding people down in order to make themselves seem more righteous. News flash people we are all sinners and no one is in any place to throw the first stone.

Stone Throwers wrote on Nov 28, 2007 12:30 PM:For the life of me I can't understand why at the first mention of homosexulality these religious hypocritical crazies start judging (which according to the bible is God's job) and protesting in hate. This bill is about tolerance and keeping ALL of our kids safe. This bill is about wanting a safe and positive environment for kids at school where ridicule and sterotyping runs rampet. When we teach about racism and civil rights we don't teach kids how to be black or about how to live an oppressed lifestlye. Gays are not concerned about making other people gay. All we want is equality, acceptance, and for people not to immediately associate our sexuality with sex! People need to calm down and stop wasting energy on holding people down in order to make themselves seem more righteous. News flash people we are all sinners and no one is in any place to throw the first stone.

What? wrote on Nov 28, 2007 12:32 PM:Here is a taste of what happens when the government get's involved in religon. http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/11/28/ap/headlines/d8t6qlqg0.txt A lot of the posters on here would like to see a christian version of this here in the United States. The sad part is once they had driven all non christian faiths underground they would then start to attack other christian faiths.

ex-christian wrote on Nov 28, 2007 12:40 PM:homosexuality is not a lifestyle that is choosen. we are born gay or straight. homosexuality has been around since the roman days. you christians base all your beliefs and thoughts off of a book. thats all the bible is a book. open your minds to facts not a story. Here's an interesting fact!!!! King james had sex with his mother,and you christians get your guidance from a book named after him.hahahah

SOLUTION wrote on Nov 28, 2007 12:54 PM:Put your kids in private schools and stop telling the tolerant public what to do. PUBLIC school means just that...we must serve the public. If your delicate lifestyle prohibits you from being tolerant of others then homschool or private school. You ... want to reep the benefits of a free education but then are unhappy when something doesn't fit your religion.

Right... wrote on Nov 28, 2007 12:54 PM:Go to a website that somebody spun in their favor, that incites irrational thinking based on a fear of something that doesn't exist. That's the way to get the facts... How about reading the bill ..., instead of going to some sensational website that propogates these peoples' hate mongering.

Your real phobia wrote on Nov 28, 2007 12:56 PM:is that there just might be a Creator out there who will hold you accountable someday. If this law had instead introduced Creationism into the curriculum, wouldn't you pull your child out of school in protest?

Excuse me Grey Matter wrote on Nov 28, 2007 1:02 PM:Did I say anything about my private behavior in my post? I don't believe that's anyone's business. And where is it you think I'm trying to cram anything down anyone's throat? I didn't write the bill, nor did I even know about it until recently, so the only cramming that's being done here is by people like you. Perhaps you should try some good ol' fashioned reading and educate yourself before you start judging other people.

Bahahahaa!! wrote on Nov 28, 2007 1:07 PM:Boy did you just horrify a bunch of heavily starched bible thumpers with that visual, "They're everywhere", LOL...that was great!

Ya kinda can tell wrote on Nov 28, 2007 1:27 PM:the gay force is out in full force today. lol

Christian wrote on Nov 28, 2007 1:31 PM:If you are not going to base what is right and wrong on the Bible, what are you going to base it on? How do you know if it is OK or not to murder, or steal, or commit adultery? Without the Bible everyone will do what is right in his own eyes. ...

Darlene wrote on Nov 28, 2007 1:39 PM:What country is this?? What type of government? For 2% of the people, by 2% of the people? America wake up! We as parents (not the state) still have the RIGHT to pass on our family values to our children. I repeat our children are not property of the state yet. If we do not rise to this occasion and put and end to this wicked assault upon our little ones, where will it end.

Why? wrote on Nov 28, 2007 1:42 PM:Why does NCT post blogs that mocks the Bible and Christians. When a Christian state the truth of what the Bible says about sodomity, it is either edited or not posted at all? NCT is showing bias and hatred to Christians by not posting both sides of the story. Those that speak of hatred toward sodomites are hypocrites!

John E wrote on Nov 28, 2007 1:43 PM:I concur with Gray Matter's post. As for whether homosexuals are born or made, what if both sides are right some of the time? Most studies of human biology teach us that any given condition or disease is influenced by both nature and nurture. Most of us are probably born pre-programmed to be straight and will never understand the appeal of homosexuality. Others may well be pre-wired gay, and they should arguably be tolerated and given the economic and other rights the rest of us take for granted. However, if there are indeed individuals who could "swing either way," then it is probably in society's best interest not to promote a gay lifestyle to them until they are old enough to make informed, rational decisions.

Get stoned wrote on Nov 28, 2007 1:44 PM:To 'Christian': There's so much horrifying violence in the bible it is scary. Just pick and choose what sounds good I guess. I suppose all adulterers should be stoned to death then? That's half the population!

Alf wrote on Nov 28, 2007 1:48 PM:Silly me, "Christian" at 1:31PM, and here I thought that right and wrong were spelled out in many places other than the Bible. You may have heard of it, maybe not, but there is something called "the law", it spells out those things that are wrong. Then there are things called morals and ethics, most of which are common to just about all religions, not just Christians and not just the Christian Bible. Which came first, the ethics and morals or that which was written in the Bible? I'll bet that most of the morals and ethics on which we base our current laws, morals and ethics, pre-date the Bible by a longshot. Silly me, there was nothing before the Bible, at least according to the "fundamentalists". Merry Christmas! Alf.

Who is bias? wrote on Nov 28, 2007 1:49 PM:Seems most on this blog are showing lack of tolerance, judging, lack of equality, ignorance, phobia, and not allowing all equal right. How? By discriminating against Christians. Christians are trying to warn you that if you continue on the path you are on you will end up destroying yourselves. There is a way that seems right to man but leads to death, eternal death.

To Get Stoned wrote on Nov 28, 2007 1:51 PM:When Jesus come back to judge the world, there will be few saved and many damned. Time to decide who side you are on before it is too late. Repent!

Let me say it AGAIN... wrote on Nov 28, 2007 1:59 PM:'Your real phobia'... HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT BEING INTRODUCED INTO THE CURRICULUM!!!!! Perhaps you weren't properly taught English as a second language? And no, I'm not homosexual, gay, and I was raised Christian. It's people like you that have pushed me away from it. Not God, not the Creator, YOU!! You just...don't...get it.

Hitler wrote on Nov 28, 2007 2:10 PM:Hitler executed homosexuals in the name of God...did he make it into the kingdom of heaven? If I'm wrong I don't want to be right. YOUR rights end where another begins. Nobody discriminates for being Christiam...just judging and persecuting.

GGGGGGGEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHH wrote on Nov 28, 2007 2:14 PM:The bill prohibits discrimination...NOT promoting "lifestyles". Talk about a slippery slope...sodomy, and sex with dogs!!!!!!! MY GOD!!!!!! The time is upon us!!! DRINK THE KOOL AID!!!

Current Sin wrote on Nov 28, 2007 2:18 PM:My children currently have teachers who are divorced, and have live in boy/girlfriends, drink, smoke, do not keep the Sabbath...tsk, tsk....WHERE ARE THE CRUSADERS FOR THOSE "LIFESTYLES"??????????This is so homophobic it's embarassing. Since when does the Bible make homosexuality a "top" sin? It didn't even make the top 10. There is more against judgement and playing God than specifically homosexuality. If all sins where held to the hysteria of homosexuality we would all be "stoned".

Teach the Kids wrote on Nov 28, 2007 2:20 PM:all about same-sex marriage, gay love, lesbian lore, and the favorite intimate activities of the gay community. If they don't learn about this stuff in public schools, they will seem really shallow and ignorant if they attend gay galas in the Hollywood Hills. You don't want your kids to be clueless about hardcore gayness and transgender issues. The world would be a better place if all men were women and all women were men. In addition, there is no better way to identify yourself than with sexual orientation. "I am first and foremost a transgender gay man - before anything else!" I am G-A-Y and you better understand what makes me happy and sad. Is there a Congressional Gay Caucus? If not, there should be. What about a "Church of Gayness?" I won't be happy until every state in the Union has a "Gay Militia." What about a transgender Chuck E. Cheese? That would be hot! Time to jump on the gay train or you will be left at the station of intolerance with your boring and old school hetero lifestyles.

Gay life = armageddon wrote on Nov 28, 2007 2:20 PM:When 'Christians' can't explain uncomfortable questions about the bible they resort to the 'end of the world' scare tactic. Sadly they have been brainwashed by wealthy and privileged religious leaders in order to control them and remain in power. How many billions have been duped?

Hmmmm wrote on Nov 28, 2007 2:21 PM:We can't teach tolerance but the homophobic, Mormon boy scouts can recruit on PUBLIC school campuses daily???? My son gets repeatedly "indoctrinated" during the day and at afterschool events. They are at every gate and supported by Ysabel Barnett administration. The value I taught my child is that we do not join clubs that exclude people. That is not fair.

WHEN JESUS RETURNS wrote on Nov 28, 2007 2:23 PM:The first people he is taking out are those who presumed to know his will and preach HATE in his name!!!! I choose the side of nonjudgement and compassion. Where did I read that? Oh yeah, The Bible.

To Alf wrote on Nov 28, 2007 2:43 PM:The Bible is the oldest writing we have been able to find. The laws of our country are based on it. These are many scriptures that each of the Bill of Rights is based on. No, these morals are not common to all religions. The Bible is very unique. Unfortunately, these facts have not been taught in the public school for many decades.

Hitler? wrote on Nov 28, 2007 2:46 PM:Hitler was not a Christian by a long shot. He only played the role to dupe the populous like many policitians do today. His religion was evolution. He believed the German people were supermen destined to rule the world.

Armageddon wrote on Nov 28, 2007 2:49 PM:Another truth that is not taught in public schools is that every civilization that turned to sodomy and / or human sacrifice (abortion) soon ceased to exist. If America does not wake up to disease of sin which is destroying it from within, we will soon cease to exist.

Iran wrote on Nov 28, 2007 2:53 PM:Does not have this phenomenon.

Mary wrote on Nov 28, 2007 2:53 PM:Did any of you who made a comment actually read the bill? what about not being able to op out!this means YOU WiLL be proscuted for a hate crime!and my tax money WILL pay for this education/instruction.this means NO king or queen, it must be kings and queens!does this now mean I have no say in my childs education?the state now owns my child as soon as she/he puts foot on school grounds?Daaa yeaaaa

Well then, wrote on Nov 28, 2007 2:53 PM:if our laws are based on the Bible, as is our Bill of Rights, then none of you who support the Bible's contents should take issue with this Bill, or our biblically based government protecting ALL of its citizens. Thanks for clearing that up for us, 'To Alf'. I guess this thread is over! Thank GOD.

HITLER wrote on Nov 28, 2007 2:59 PM:The goal of white supremacy is to rid the world of "the undesirables" so that the second coming will be possible. That is a Nazi doctrine. Jesus won't come until all of the minorities and gays are gone apparently.

What? wrote on Nov 28, 2007 3:04 PM:Christian is obviously a fundaMENTAList. I don't need a two thousand year old book to tell me what is right and wrong. Especially one that is so inconsistant. Don't judge people but torture and kill everyone who doesn't follow these rules. I don't need the carrot of heaven or the threat of eternal damnation to get me to do what is right. Hell by the way isn't in the bible, it is a nice flourish created well after the bible was written. How many people on death row consider themselves good christians that are going to heaven because they have accepted god into their hearts? How many of them would kill or rape again if they ever got out? Sorry I am not buying any of it. And don't get me started on the pervert priest thing!

The Next Civil Rights Movement wrote on Nov 28, 2007 3:08 PM:I'm gay and you must tell your kids to accept me. If they ask you what gay means, tell them all about homosexual love. If they don't understand, show them Brokeback Mountain or gay porn. Stop the hate and intolerance. This is no different than telling your kids to accept ethnic minorities. If they ask what "ethnic minority" means, tell them all about ehtnic minorities. If they don't understand, show them MTV Jams and Sabado Gigante. We are no different than any other minority group, we just identify ourselves not by race or ethnicity, but by how we make love.

This is easy to solve wrote on Nov 28, 2007 3:13 PM:Let Arnie, get federal grants and build a gay school and a straight school, sorta like a catholic school and a public school. The only problem is who wants to go to sleazy educated public schools?

Please give examples wrote on Nov 28, 2007 3:21 PM:Every civilization who turned to abortion and sodomy ceased to exist? Which ones? Please give examples... the bible is the oldest writing? You're only off my about 3,000 years. Are you examples of Christian homeschooling?

Chubton wrote on Nov 28, 2007 3:22 PM:I don't mind minorities so long as they conform to the majority.

We need to be tolerant! wrote on Nov 28, 2007 3:24 PM:What we need is more Muslims in these schools! Lots and lots of Muslims!

metal1492 wrote on Nov 28, 2007 3:28 PM:To Alf wrote on Nov 28, 2007 2:43 PM: " The Bible is the oldest writing we have been able to find" You might want to study a little more history. Lot's of people had writing before the bible came about. Including the Sumerians around 2500 years BEFORE your little collection of fairy tales.

IT'S wrote on Nov 28, 2007 3:31 PM:JACK AND JILL, NOT JACK AND BILL

TemeculaMom wrote on Nov 28, 2007 3:36 PM:Well, I think that the bottom line is that these 2 churches should not be telling other parents what to do......this is the real world that we're living in, and if you don't like it then either pay tuition for a "private" education or homeschool your kids....but don't worry, they'll be exposed to the real world soon enough and won't be able to deal with it. If you don't like California, then leave.....but this is the world we live in. Instead of spreading fear into people, take a look at what the bill really says and go from there. As a mom of 2 public school elementary age children, I will monitor what they are being taught, and if I have a problem with it, I will take it to the principal/school district, etc., and if I ultimately do not like it, then we will consider private school. But until then, stop the ignorance!!

c wrote on Nov 28, 2007 3:47 PM:people who say that they don't believe the bible are scared to accept it. To say that we christians are fundamentalists...well, I don't consider myself as religious, but I believe in Jesus and have a personal relationship with him. People that knock the bible obvisiously haven't read and studied it. It is sad how blind some people are. Jesus did not hate..he says love your enemies and bless them. People are not born gay...it is there choice. Look at some "gay" role models..it is all about them...very selfish. I pray for all of you who are so hostile. and just because someone says they're a christian doesn't mean that they are. You should be able to tell by the way they act..u know walk the walk talk the talk....it is not about homophobia it is about the innocence of the kids. So sad that some of u think this no big deal.

Realist wrote on Nov 28, 2007 3:51 PM:Tolerance should be tought in the home and not by the government. Just goes to show that everytime the government tries to take the place of a business or a parent, things will get worse. It's a crying shame that California's schools are at the lowest in the 50 states. Just goes to show that PARENTS NEED TO TAKE A MORE ACTIVE ROLE IN THE EDUCATION OF THEIR CHILDREN. If they did, bills such as this would NOT be necessary.

c wrote on Nov 28, 2007 3:54 PM:to temeculamom it is not just the churches that urged this boycott go to ... ...read it for yourself who satrted it. I pray for u and your kids...

JD wrote on Nov 28, 2007 4:09 PM:Ok, everybody just calm down. This is a truly simple matter. Introducing a bill to prevent discrimination against those who are homosexual is OBVIOUSLY bad, because homosexuality is OBVIOUSLY a choice. Just like choosing to believe ignorance like that. If you can object to protecting the LGBT community from discrimination, then I object to protecting the religious community from it as well. Who's with me to start an anti-crusade?

JD again wrote on Nov 28, 2007 4:11 PM:To realist: The bill doesn't have schools teaching tolerance, just practicing it themselves. But perhaps they should be teaching it as well... I sure don't trust the homes of these posters to teach kids tolerance.

who cares? wrote on Nov 28, 2007 4:13 PM:temecula is full of such narrow minded idiots if they feel this way then pay for you kids to go to private school where you have more say...give me a break if this is the only thing you have to complain about maybe you should get a real life!

Does Jesus know wrote on Nov 28, 2007 4:15 PM:you have a personal relationship with him, or is it just because you said so? How can anyone claim a personal relationship with someone, something, any entity, that isn't in a physical form and can agree to it? This is just another tired sound bite from fundamentalists - "personal relationship". How very arrogant. Can't a belief be enough for you, you have to tell everyone you're Jesus' buddy too? I used to believe in Santa, I never sat down and had cookies and milk with him. CrimeInItaly you people slay me.

Curtis wrote on Nov 28, 2007 4:29 PM:Hopefully the rapture will happen soon and we won't have to put up with all the people who claim to follow Jesus. By the way, he died about 2,000 years ago depending on which calendar you use.

Okey Dokey wrote on Nov 28, 2007 4:44 PM:So being gay is a choice, eh? I guess that would mean being religious is a choice, too? Good thing, because maybe you religious folks will see the error of your choice! As for having a personal relationship with a dead guy - I dunno - sounds kind of creepy and twisted to me. Hmmm, to scared to accept the bible..interesting comment. Personally I find the bible so confusing and contradictory that maybe I am to scared to accept it!!

Twilight zone wrote on Nov 28, 2007 4:44 PM:"I'll pray for you" Wow. The egotistical self-importance of people of think they can communicate to an invisible supernatural being who will then make changes in someone else's life. If this isn't science fiction what is?

My only concern wrote on Nov 28, 2007 4:50 PM:is with the bathrooms and locker rooms. I wouldn't allow my child to be in a mixed sex locker room. I don't care if the other people are transgender, gay or anything else. I remember being a horny male teenager. If it got me into the girls locker room, I would have worn a dress to school!

What? wrote on Nov 28, 2007 4:53 PM:If god wants me to worship him I only have one request. Tell EVERYONE on the planet that he is up there and what the rules are. Don't tell one guy and expect him to tell everyone. How are we supposed to figure out which person claiming to be gods messenger is really gods messenger? Was christ really it? Muhamud? John Smith? Jim Jones? David Koresh? That nutty chick that rode the same school bus as me and dropped one too many tabs of acid?

Karl wrote on Nov 28, 2007 4:57 PM:Oh for the good old days when schools taught basic skills and left the rest to parents, friends and society as a whole. I find it very interesting that this whole controversial issue (by count of bloggers) seems to center on the treatment of gays. How about some tolerance for Christians? Is not the quest for equal treatment for all?

What? wrote on Nov 28, 2007 4:58 PM:Twilight zone, it isn't science fiction, it is fantasy.

This bill sounds great wrote on Nov 28, 2007 5:00 PM:1. It just asks for the schools to practice tolerance, they don't even have to teach it (which they should). 2. Loving thy neighbor is not going to lead to the end of the America. (It's called a slippery slope) 3. Homosexuality is not a choice, no one consents to being constantly abused and being called a sinner...

Bring on the insults wrote on Nov 28, 2007 5:04 PM:It is written, "If you are insulted because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you." So go ahead and bless us some more by mocking us and our "dead guy".

hmmm wrote on Nov 28, 2007 5:17 PM:What has caused more wars, homosexuality or religion? Stop worrying about sexual harassment in the locker rooms and instead worry about the growing number of molestation cases within the church.

Pieter wrote on Nov 28, 2007 5:27 PM:I'd rather have a gay couple next to me than the typical (relgious) Temeculite with his motorcylces, powerwasher, barking dogs and constantly screaming youngens ruining my deserved peaceful sunday afternoon.

i thought it was wrote on Nov 28, 2007 5:35 PM:ADAM AND EVE, NOT ADAM AND STEVE

Todd wrote on Nov 28, 2007 5:46 PM:Baby steps...it's just the beginning!

Noah wrote on Nov 28, 2007 5:57 PM:Inject religion into the mix and everything gets screwed.

JP wrote on Nov 28, 2007 6:02 PM:Check out Sheila Kuehl's official website. The agenda is crystal clear.

To Insults wrote on Nov 28, 2007 6:21 PM:Boy, do you have that one wrong. The big difference between you and your dead guy is that your dead guy did not believe in dogma! You do, ergo, you are incapable of looking at the world objectively, ergo you know a dead guy. Add to this that your dead guy never advocated stoning anyone, or eradicating them, or smiting them, or any of that nonsense. No, he advocated "turning the other cheek", and "let he who cast the first stone....". It is NOT written "go forth and spew hatred and intolerance in my name and if are insulted because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you". Come on you people, at least be true to your own word!

Sabrina wrote on Nov 28, 2007 6:24 PM:I think this law is a bunch of crap our children can learn about alternative lifestyles when they become adults. I do have gay friends but i dont need to tell my children about their lifestyle and it should be kept out of school. If we have to promote then lets start have bible classes taught in schools!!!!!

Well bless me too then... wrote on Nov 28, 2007 6:31 PM:I'm not mocking you, I'm not insulting you, not any more than people with differing opinions and beliefs are mocked and insulted by you and yours. So, I guess we're all blessed and it's all good! It was also written, 'Love thy neighbor' right? 'Do unto others', right? Yea...right.

WHY wrote on Nov 28, 2007 6:33 PM:if you hate in the name of God you are a martyr or hate in the name of America you are a patriot? I am Christian...I love God, accept Jesus Christ as my Savior and try to live my life the way He