Huuuh! Bad Boys watch gonna do! wrote on Nov 27, 2007 10:07 PM:When MCC Police Come for you!

Not good... wrote on Nov 28, 2007 7:42 AM:when campus police get involved in some liability-producing incident outside of campus. Its inevitable that the school will get sued. Better to keep the cops on a short leash and leave the real police work to the Sheriff.

esteban wrote on Nov 28, 2007 8:04 AM:To HUUUUH....they'll do exactly what OPD, CHP, SDSO, SDPD, or anyone else would do...what do you think????????

Oh come on!!! wrote on Nov 28, 2007 8:27 AM:Now we're going to have these GUARDS police the area around the college? I'd rather scream "Hey !!! Kool-AID" and have a large icy pitcher of a kids drink come busting through a wall to come save me before relying on them for protection.

Help Police wrote on Nov 28, 2007 9:47 AM:Yes, tie their hands! So they can ignore the public at large. If they are bided to the College Campus less chance they ticket me. I would love to speed by one of them on the freeway and laugh all the way.

Wayne wrote on Nov 28, 2007 12:49 PM:There's always somebody that can't resist the temptation to call these police "security" or "GUARDS". I really don't think Miracosta Police care what you think or what you call them and I am sure you don't care in return. That's fine. Those of you who are so sure they are not police, I dare you to challenge that. If and when you do challenge that, make sure you tell the judge that the Miracosta Police are just "GUARDS" looking to quench ones thirst with some Kool-Aid. These officers are cops, plain and simple. Yes, most of the time their hands are tied together because the administrators and the do-gooders of the college community are too busy planning their next bonfire and electing the next spokesperson for the Kumbaya Musical Festival. They still believe that crime and violence stops at the college's borders. Leave the cops alone and let them go out and make arrests and enforce the laws without someone breathing down their necks.

esteban wrote on Nov 28, 2007 2:32 PM:Wayne, you need to relax, they are security guards, now have some more Kool-aid and do something more productive with your time. We welcome comments here not essays.

esteban wrote on Nov 28, 2007 2:54 PM:Wayne, I agree with you. The esteban post at 2:32 is from that gutless imposter esteban. Fake estaban, go ahead and commit a crime in front of one of those "guards" and see what happens. Then get back to us.

Give it a break.. wrote on Nov 28, 2007 4:04 PM:I am not against civil-obedience, but it seems as though the MiraCosta Police group is trying to keep busy by citing for things other than parking tickets by widening their powerful scope. Can we keep in touch with the fact that we are dealing with community college students here ...they are carrying books and backpacks from class to class, and are commonly not financially set.

jvc wrote on Nov 28, 2007 5:48 PM:MiraCosta is a wonderful institution with highly qualified faculty and staff. The students who go to MiraCosta are very lucky. This police force deserves kudos for maintaining a safe environment and taking its role very seriously (yes, they carry guns). I am all for expanding their jurisdiction to allow them to pursue those who have committed infractions on campus to the off campus areas within 1 mile. This is certainly reasonable... and another piece of evidence that MiraCosta is getting back on track after two years of chaos under Richart. Keep up the great work, folks.

esteban wrote on Nov 28, 2007 9:10 PM:Wayne and others need to learn that mcc cops are not real, they are a half step above security guards.

jvc wrote on Nov 28, 2007 10:07 PM:I did not make the post of 5:48PM! Why is the NCT allowing this fraud.... I would not use a corny word like folks!

jvc wrote on Nov 28, 2007 10:26 PM:Stop this conservative police state madness! These are campus security NOT the police, albeit sworn in! These campus security personal need to sress campus security not community security that city police are sworn to uphold! Since when does campus security need instant information of regional, state and federal data about college students that this system will provide? If it means living in the dark ages to not be intimidated by campus security, then give us the dark ages! The fact of the matter is that for the last two years campus security was only needed for keeping the former president, the board and the faculty from coming to blows! And they failed to secure MCC's palm trees!

Response to: JVC wrote on Nov 29, 2007 1:15 PM:Clearly you do not know what you are talking about! The face of public safety on college campuses has changed as has the mission. It is more complex and demanding. Police Officers on College campuses need the same resources as any other Police Agency. Must I remind you of the risk, like Virginia Tech.? Also many incidents are curbed or addressed by the Local College Police Dept there on the campus, that you do not hear about! Further, MCC Police Officer do also have to leave campus from time to time to follow up investigations! I suggest you do a ride along with an MCC Police Officer and discover how important the College Police are! Signed OPD Officer. Further what is it with you and this weird relationship with police! (Police State?) Please! The government is not against you. Get involved and be part of the solution. If you have questions, I encourage you to talk with the Chief of Police for MCC PD and or a manager. It is easy to sit on the side lines and snipe, and create a stink about nothing. If you have a valid concern, bring it to the school and or the PD. To the MCC PD: Keep up the great work. Those are positive changes for your department that will benefit the community at large and those you proudly serve each day! The School Director's, Dean's, Adminstrator's leadership on the campus is making some great strides toward creating a professional school and place that is safe for my children and others to get an education. Be safe and have a happy holiday to all!

Response to Help Police: Speed by them? wrote on Nov 29, 2007 1:20 PM:Well if you decide to do that. I as an OPD officer will respond and provide cover for them. Assist them in the enforcement action they decide to use! Ticket or arrest! So obey the law! Go to school and or enjoy life! Just do it wihin the boundaries of the law! Be safe MCC PD! See you on the streets!

Paul wrote on Nov 29, 2007 1:27 PM:What a different world at MCC. The PD at Mt. San Jacinto CCD have stated their jurisdiction is the state of Calif. They have done drug busts outside the District and the Board does't have a clue. At least you guys have a limit and discuss policy issues.

jvc wrote on Nov 29, 2007 5:22 PM:Yes,yes I am wrong and I spoke too soon and I thank you post 1:15PM for your very admirable defense of your fellow cohorts!

Supporter wrote on Nov 29, 2007 10:12 PM:Actually the administrators at San Jacinto have a better professional relationship with their officers. Many of them are pro cop, unlike many of the administrators at MCC. That's a big reason the police at "St. Jack" have the freedom to venture off campus from time to time. MCC is a great place with excellent faculty and staff, and great students, but unfortunately, too many of them want to be in control and have a say in the politics of law enforcement when they have no business. Thank you OPD for your continued assistance and support. Be safe as well and we'll see ya out there. PS: Thanks for the cover!

Paul wrote on Nov 30, 2007 10:21 AM:Perhaps "Supporter" could explain why he doesn't support the statutes of Calif. that require shared governance. I guess he would prefer not to enforce this statute, you know pick and choose.

To Paul wrote on Nov 30, 2007 1:43 PM:The State of California has given authority to a Governing Board of a Community College to enact a police department. Any person that works and is paid as a member of a college police department and are sworn to enforce laws as a police officer are peace officers in the State of CA. I looked up the statutes and I couldn't find anywhere in those statutes that stated that the college community can tell a college community police officer what they can and cannot do when it comes to enforcing laws within the college boundries and/or anywhere in the state of CA. Of course, anybody has the right to know what's going on within the police department and that's fine. Just don't tell the cops they are not allowed to arrest somebody because the violation took them off campus. You can state your opinion, agreements or disagreements and become involved. That's great. I'm sure they will be more than happy to listen, but they are COPS. That's all I'm saying, let them do their job. P&P is very important, but I would want the police to go after the scum that just committed a violent act on my instructor. Would you?

Paul wrote on Nov 30, 2007 5:06 PM:Supporter you forgot to answer my questions, but I will answer your's. Yes I would wan't "the police to go after the scum that just committed a violent act.." even off campus, go get them anywhere they go, but that doesn't mean the PD is not subject to the Governing Board which created them and AB1725 the shared governance statute.

Paul wrote on Nov 30, 2007 5:11 PM:Supporter, I forgot, it's San Jac, not St. Jack.

Pat wrote on Dec 22, 2007 8:57 AM:It's funny how members of the public are quick to call sworn officers "Guards". Such ignorance is almost funny. In California any Public Peace Officer that has a least 832 PC training can be sworn for a law enforcement position. POST is the governing body for 832 (limited law enforcement) to 830 PC (full Law enforcement). You will find that some transit officers, airport police and even probation officers have the minimum 832 training this does not limit the support of California Law as peace officers or POST certification. The magic words here are if the are employed by a public agency. In California Police ARE NOT THE POLICE when working as security guards and must adhere to the same training as civilians to perform Security Guard work with a few exceptions for firearms and batons exemptions, but these only apply if the officer is actively working full-time for a REAL public agency. But A police officer can still bring civil liability against his security employer for improper actions without regards to him or her being a active police officer it's a very Grey area and officers are advised to use serious discretion when using the title police when working off-duty as a security guards. Now, In California public educational institutes have the powers by the state penal code to form a police department and many have from community colleges to state universities. I once had a buddy who believed that Chico State University Police were Guards until he made the wrong move and found himself in jail. Period. Police departments that have been formed by these schools typically have Full statewide jurisdiction just like any other agency in the state and when you here them talking about limited patrol areas it's usually out of respect for the agency who typically patrols that jurisdiction any further assistance by the school cops to the city will happen by a memo of understanding or agreement for mutual aid or cover. But for all those who think they know please test one of these officers and send me a post card from the county jail to share your experiences with us. Oh by the way, any agency knows to get the respect of the municipal and county agencies that you cannot survive with minimum training. You will find that most if not all campus agencies have met or exceeded the minimum training standards and typically are just as qualified as the city and county agencies. If they were not they would be called GUARDS by the local cops. They cannot have this as they need the respect and trust of outside agencies so they are training to standard as prescribed by POST and are POST certified agencies in most cases. Food for thought.

Supporter wrote on Jan 31, 2008 6:34 PM:Ahh, the AB1725. You Paul, must be a faculty member at the "Bonfire of the Seagulls" Campus, I mean, Miracosta. It figures you would bring up that particular AB. Funny, I don't see anything in that bill that authorizes you and your fellow collegiate members to tell the Campus Police what they can and cannot do. The only thing I read was that "it is the general purpose of AB1725 to improve academic quality, and to that end the Legislature specifically intends to authorize more responsibility for faculty members in duties that are incidental to their primary professional duties." Read it sometime. It is your professional duty to give your students the best education possible. What that means is, stick to what you know and that is teaching the students at MCC, NOT telling the cops what they can and cannot do. You don't govern the cops, the state of California does. Are you above the state? If you feel that you want to test those cops and those cops are doing their duty as they are sworn to do, your "Administrator" can't help you. You're on your own and good luck. Like Pat said, send us a postcard.

Lawman wrote on Mar 28, 2008 2:44 PM:Here it is, plain and simple:

MCC Cops have peace officer authoriy "anywhere in the State of California." Thier "Jurisdiction" is anyplace on or near the campus (State Law). So, the "words" "on" or "near" actually supports thier bid to go off campus (duh its' state law). One Mile is reasonable, however, in reality as long as they are still within the state of California they can write you a ticket or take you to jail. Good for them.

As for faculty, these liberal anti-government, degreed, phycopathic, and usually bi-polar "educators" are a joke. Try teaching your classes on math 101 and leave the hard work of public safety to the real heros who are willing to sacrafice thier lives and well being to protect you. If you don't like the cops, then by all means don't call 911 next time. try handling it yourself. No? I didn't think so. you're the same group of Anti-Americans that verbally bastardize our troops and tell your students that the Military is a bunch of baby killers, and that America is a bunch of Nazis. Well, I don't see you packing your bags to move to another country huh?

You are entitled to your opinion (as idiotic as it may be) because men and women who wear a uniform have saccraficed and given thier lives for that right. At least you can say thank you. You don't even want to acknowledge "god" in the pledge of allegence. Pathetic, but that is your right I guess. That is what Higher education has tought you, its' not all your fault. It's easy to live in a perfect world when you spent your whole life on a campus. Campus is no where near the street called "reality." Reality is ugly, filled with suffering, there is no black and white, there is not a logical solution to all problems, and reality bleeds real blood. People die, get hurt, and suffer at the hands of bad people. Do you know what stops bad people who do bad things? Cops, soldiers, and good citizens. Try getting on the bus to reality sometime and become part of the team. Don't lob shots from a distance because it is safe, go stand at the steps of Arlington National Cemetary sometime where "heros" are buried and spew your rhetoric there. Freedom of speech aint free my friend, someone will be sure to remind you of that there. God Bless America, and God Bless our Police, Firefighters, and Military.

Thank you for keeping me and my family safe at night. I will always remember what you have done for me and I will always be gratefull to you.