Realist wrote on Nov 30, 2007 11:03 PM:Give me a break. The teachers comments are accurate in their description of the many extremists which run rampant around Temecula. Time to grow up and face reality Ms. Cowles.

Josh wrote on Nov 30, 2007 11:11 PM:Whoda thunkit, crazy Christians gettin all crazy about people callin them crazy! I'd like to hear a sane person's recounting of the events.

TVHS Mom wrote on Nov 30, 2007 11:27 PM:This is not the first time that Christians have been bashed at TVHS. My son raged in a debate with one teacher who accused our family of being bigoted because "we attend church regularly". In this age of political correctness and "tolerance", isn't it interesting that it remains "cool" and "progressive" to bash Christians? Try that with Muslems or Jews, and listen for Hollywood's screams of injustice. But when Christians are skewered, not a peep does Hollywood or the liberal left make. TVUSD needs to reprimand this teacher and send a strong message that Christians' rights are just as important as other religions.

Josh wrote on Dec 1, 2007 1:31 AM:Yeah, cuz Christians are totally oppressed in this country, almost like they're being rounded up for slaughter or something.

Kelly wrote on Dec 1, 2007 5:35 AM:This teacher is wrong. Christian views are not to be ridiculed. God warns us not to talk in ways the hurt others.

LE wrote on Dec 1, 2007 6:24 AM:School is not the place for the teacher to voice their personal opinion. It's not a part of the curriculum. I applaud Brittney for taking action. Whether you feel the teacher's opinion is correct or not, it doesn't belong in school. In my opinion this teacher should be fired.

Charles M. wrote on Dec 1, 2007 6:36 AM:Not afraid to use my real name. I cannot agree with TVHS mom more. Chrisitian bashing is in style now as seen by the brash and immature comments posted regarding the article. Take for example the Anne Coulter incident as well. Can someone show me in the US Constitution where being gay, TG, or BS is a right. People have a right not to be discriminated on based on their gender, not who or what they have sex with or identify with. This teacher was completely out of line regarding her comments and should be reprimanded!

Let's see... wrote on Dec 1, 2007 6:38 AM:A very large amount of comments - somewhere close to 150 or so from what I recall - were made a couple days ago on just this very subject. This type of incite-full article (yes, I meant to spell it that way, it's certainly not an insightful article) sure does bring a lot of people to the website and all those flash ads - might this merely be an attempt to duplicate the flame war of the other day and draw people to the website, more than providing our community with "news"? Is that journalism, or sensationalism? Reminds me of TMZ or some cheesy entertainment TV show. Kind of sad don't you think?. Makes you wonder if the story is even true.

PGR wrote on Dec 1, 2007 7:15 AM:To Kelly......Then why do Christians talk badly about homosexuals ?????

TVHS Parent wrote on Dec 1, 2007 7:17 AM:I'm not sure what really happened in that class. I have been a Christian for most of my life and have never been taught to force my ideas on anyone. I would challenge any of you that feel the Christians are extremist to go visit a couple of churches in the area. Churches are typically places that people find support, caring, and hope. The Bible says that Christians will be persecuted, hated and will have enemies (2 Timothy 3:12: Matthew 5:11-12,10:2.2. Luke 6:22-23; 1Corinthians 16:9). Jesus promised His disciples, "If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. " (John 15:18). The Bible says that Christians must love their enemies and treat them with kindness and goodness (Matthew 5:43-48; Proverbs 24:17-18; Acts 7:60).

NOTW wrote on Dec 1, 2007 7:21 AM:If this was about any other religion other than Christian it would be all over the news. This is including the Religion of Atheism. And would the parents of a Muslim or Jewish student be called crazy or extremist in the news? I doubt it.

Give me a break... wrote on Dec 1, 2007 7:25 AM:Fire the teacher? Are you insane? If, indeed they said this, I would agree it goes over the normal boundries of expected classroom conversation - but you want to fire the teacher, send them into financial turmoil, jeopardize their family, home and well-being - just to prove a point? As a teacher, I find it comical how easy it is for others to suggest we be fired. What other profession undergoes so much public scrutiny - My burger at Chili's was undercooked, we should fire the general manager. Look, just because you went to school, doesn't make you an authority on the subject. An apology to the girl and her family, of course, perhaps a write up in the teachers' file, sure - but to suggest firing someone is a bit rash.

JP wrote on Dec 1, 2007 7:26 AM:If this "educator" has such strong conviction of this viewpoint, he/she shouldn't be bashful about coming forward and sharing it directly with the rest of us. I wouldn't want he/she to get the feeling that their empowerment over high school students is any indication that he/she could beat him/herself out of a wet paper bag in a real debate on the issue.

Sick of It wrote on Dec 1, 2007 7:34 AM:A teacher ranting about people being crazy for keeping their kids home from school because they want to perpetuate the hatred and discrimination of homosexuals. If you could see past your faith you would see that protesting because you want to keep your hatred is very un-Christian. If you want to believe in your religion fine, but quit complaining that your faith is being attacked. No one is trying to take the Germanic pagan Christmas tree out of your converted holiday or stop you from decorating your office with Santa Claus. No one is trying to attack your religion and I wonder if you're as open to Islam, Judaism, Hinduism etc., as you think everyone should be to Christianity. You want the Bible in school, which Murrieta now has, how about we add the Koran and teach our kids about Allah and Muhammad as historical equals of Jesus?

Reality wrote on Dec 1, 2007 7:57 AM:Wow, here we go again. Gays protest, athiests protest, Illegal aliens protest, and the muslims protest and want people killed because of blasphemy of their religion but if a Christian protests look out they are an extremist trying to push their agenda on the world. Take the blinders off and look around at what we now accept as normal, porn, drugs, homosexuality and ask yourself are the teachings of the bible that terrible or are you upset when faced with your own troubled life. The truth, the way, the light.

AC wrote on Dec 1, 2007 7:59 AM:To: TVHS Parent posting all the biblical babble: Try throwing out some Old Testament quotes - your "loving" Bible hardly says all those good things. In fact, the god of the Old Testament (where the "kill homosexuals" command is made by your god) is a pretty jealous, angry, and horrible being. I applaude the teacher. The entire fact that Christians are planning to boycott school because of a command thrown out in a mythical story book is ridiculous on its face. It's time for the tolerance towards Christians to end - religion needs to STAY OUT of public school systems, period. p.s., doesn't this girl's Mom state she's "proud" that her daughter regularly argues with the high school science teacher's evolution classes? What do you think she's arguing for, and what about all the students that have to sit and tolerate her arrogant stance on Creationism vs. Evolution during these classes? Pot...meet kettle.

AC wrote on Dec 1, 2007 8:04 AM:TO NOTW: You're severely twisted, my friend. Atheism, if you'll browse the web (start with a dictionary site, not a Christian apologist site), is defined as having no belief in religion or any god. It doesn't take faith or a belief to not believe. Therefore, it's not a religion. Saying atheism is a religion is like calling bald a hair color. This is the most common and ridiculously ignorant comment I hear on the topic of atheism amongst Christians.

Good Idea, Sick wrote on Dec 1, 2007 8:05 AM:Since you decided to digress by bringing Islamic faith into the discussion, please share with us what their position is on homosexuality.

FrankM wrote on Dec 1, 2007 8:11 AM:Teachers are hired public servants paid to do a job that is to teach our children. For such a person to label and critisize any group in the manner she did, serves nothing more than to promote hatred and disharmony among us. This person acted in a manner that exceeds the limits of her position and in my humble opinion needs to be reprimanded.

Mary wrote on Dec 1, 2007 8:18 AM:This was a creative writing class, thus there should be a bit of leeway when it comes to discussion of controversial topics. If this was merely a rant, then the teacher was out of line. But if it was to bring out points to be used in a writing assignment then it is ok. To TVHS Parent, you can find a Bible passage to support anything - including slavery. The only thing worth anything in the Bible is the Golden Rule and to paraphrase the Jewish version of the Golden Rule "It is the Law ... everything else is just commentary". Unfortunately when Christians do not treat homosexuals as they themselves would be treated they are violating the supreme law in the Bible that is above every other part of the Bible and violating Jesus' essential teachings to his desciples and followers. That is why most Christians are nothing but more than huge hypocrits.

Sandy wrote on Dec 1, 2007 8:19 AM:The problem people have with Christianity is that they believe they are the only true believers in God and that all other non-christians are doomed to hell. If they were more open minded they would find that society would imbrace their religion as they do other religions. This girl needs to realize that in life there will always be people who will challenge her way of thinking. Not only in religious matters but in life matters as well. Her parents are doing her a disservice by letting her run and hide at home and not going back to school.

Statia wrote on Dec 1, 2007 8:37 AM:Can't we all just live and let live? Let's all try to get along for the sake of saving our great county, PLEASE!

Nick wrote on Dec 1, 2007 8:46 AM:To Sick of It: Apparenlty you flunked History, because this Great Country was founded on Christian principles, not those of Islam or Judaism or any other religion. And people wonder why this Country is sinking down into the toilet. It's ignorance like yours and others because you don't believe in God or Jesus. What exactly do you believe in? 98% of our Founding Fathers practiced a christian based religion. You want to be an atheist, go right ahead, but quit with your blathering about equality for all religions in this Country. This Country wasn't founded on ANY of them, but it offers those the right to practice, and I'm not even religious!

Karl wrote on Dec 1, 2007 8:51 AM:Sick of it, tell us how you really feel about Christians.

m wrote on Dec 1, 2007 8:52 AM:So the youth pastor referred her to an attorney.....hmmmmmm. I consider myself a good church going Christian and I find myself agreeing with the teacher's comments.

Karl wrote on Dec 1, 2007 9:08 AM:AC, You applaud the teacher for condemning Christians then you go on to say "religion needs to STAY OUT of public school". Do you mean that if you are Christian keep your mouth shut but if you are anti Christian you can blast religion all you want? Is that keeping Religion out of public schools?

Huh?? wrote on Dec 1, 2007 9:08 AM:Why was this topic even discussed during a creative writing class? Is it in the cirriculum approved by the district? If not, this teacher needs to be reminded that he/she is there to teach the subject matter, nothing more. Especially not impose his/her beliefs on children who are not her own. It's getting a little too much when our teachers can ignore the cirriculum and override teachings from home simply because they have a captive audience who relies on them for grades to get into college.

Money is the Cause wrote on Dec 1, 2007 9:11 AM:Money is at the root of this controversy. Simply put, this propoganda curriculum was probably encouraged by the district, because for every student who doesn't attend school on a given day, the district loses money. Frankly, I think the boycott is wise. It finally reminds the district who has the power over finances - the parents. If the parents think that the school is not doing a good job, the best way to send a quick and decisive message is to boycott school for a couple of days, especially in large groups. The loss of income will get the arrogant district to come to the bargainning table quickly.

the point wrote on Dec 1, 2007 9:31 AM:These comments regarding the Christian agenda, either pro or con, are sorely missing the point in this article. If these allegations are true, the students are really suffering by being caught in between the parents, district and state. This teacher definitely has a right to her viewpoint and a platform; however, her proselytizing to students and condemning their parents, was very unprofessional. So whether this teacher is right or wrong regarding her viewpoint, if allegations are correct, she should be sanctioned for not knowing her place in the classroom. There are strict rules about what teachers can and cannot discuss in the classroom K-12, for healthy reasons

WITCH HUNT! wrote on Dec 1, 2007 9:31 AM:Did she really say "Christinas are crazy" or people who keep their kids home? This poor teacher is a scapegoat. It's hard for these conversations to not come up in class when srtudnets start asking questions about the fliers being handed out. They hand out these things and then are "offended" when the teachers talk about it??? How much money out of the pockets of other students in the district will these so called "Christians" get out of the deal????????

irony wrote on Dec 1, 2007 9:31 AM:I love the fact that Tyler and Ackerman (two days ago) cite the same separation-of-church-and-state arguments to make their cases that Christians regularly say will be the end of civilization as we know it. They're right in their arguments, but I just appreciate the irony.

Teacher wrote on Dec 1, 2007 9:46 AM:One of my frustrations has always been that a kid can voice an opinion spewing hate in the name of religion and I have to keep my mouth shut for fear of this happening. The law loosely says that I cannot "push" my views on kids because they are a "captive" audience...but that same captive audience has to sit through oral reports by students where, as soon as religion is brought into it makes it okay to say. Even teachers have told kids they are going to hell for being gay, jewish, or muslim with no consequence because of "religious freedom". You play "devil's advocate" (no pun intended) and you get sued or fired. God Bless America. I only see one agenda here and it isn't gay.

Grow up people. wrote on Dec 1, 2007 9:46 AM:This teacher should not have ridiculed someone's religion. Someone in that classroom needs to be a grownup. Christians are not bad people, just Evangelicals. Being a person of true faith means that you practice it completely and walk the walk. Instead of having to be "saved" after being a bad person, perhaps you can be a good person from the start. Putting stickers on your car and listening to Christian rock music does not make you a good person. God know the difference. ... Evangelicals are no different than extremists of other religions. They do not promote diversity or embrace it. When did America become anti-Christian? Christian ideology in this country is the reason other people want to harm us. Grow up people.

Teacher wrote on Dec 1, 2007 9:50 AM:I had a student come in Wednesday saying, "EVERYBODY..FREE DAY OFF TOMORROW!" He had no idea why and even urged me to stay home. How can I not address that in class? I am a christian but said that I would not want to give the wrong impression by taking the day off, nor do I think it's appropriate to punish local school funding for a state law. Will I be fired too?????????

Boycott???? wrote on Dec 1, 2007 10:03 AM:District attendance was normal on Wednesday and Thursday.

Grab your pitchforks wrote on Dec 1, 2007 10:04 AM:The district works hard to educate our kids and are not arrogant. Supporting a boycott to force a religious belief is mob rule. Hey, why don't we throw all the teachers in Lake Skinner and see if they're witches! 'Crazy Christians' is so true. And it's 2007. Amazing.

Sue thy neighbor wrote on Dec 1, 2007 10:15 AM:Ahhhh...the spirit of the holidays...maybe they can get her fired before Christmas. Sorry kids, no gifts this year...no free speech for teachers responding to fliers trying to keep kids from going to school. Why would that come up in class??????!!!!!

NOTW wrote on Dec 1, 2007 10:18 AM:To AC I purposefully said Athesiem is a religion. Atheist want all religion out of public schools - Atheist are nothing more than a secular cult forcing THEIR view on the educatioanl establisment.

What? wrote on Dec 1, 2007 10:21 AM:I find myself caught between a rock and a hard place. I feel that the christians calling for the boycott are fundamentalist homophobic nut cases. However I also don't think a teacher should be calling them out in the class room. I ran into similar prostheletizing from an english teacher in college. Why is it english teachers feel the need to be political activists in the classroom? English grammer is what they should be teaching, not a political or religous agenda. I say make the girl go back to class and repremand the teacher.

Temecula Parent wrote on Dec 1, 2007 10:26 AM:To M (good, church-going Christian): Nice try, wolf.

To "the point" wrote on Dec 1, 2007 10:28 AM:Well said!

We're post Enlightenment wrote on Dec 1, 2007 10:47 AM:Christians and Moslems can't handle any sort of criticism because any intelligent discussion or research of the nonsense they're taught by their religion's power-brokers will show how intellectually backward they are with a net result of lost followers.

Good Advice, Statia wrote on Dec 1, 2007 11:52 AM:Too bad the teacher didn't consider that before her alleged rant, otherwise we wouldn't be here.

To Nick wrote on Dec 1, 2007 11:58 AM:Nick: our country was founded with a belief in religious freedom, not Christianity. No where in our constitution is any mention of Christianity made... go back to history class.

Of this world wrote on Dec 1, 2007 1:12 PM:To NOTW: 'Not of this world' is correct, you're a space case. NOTW is a cute new logo to try and recruit more of the weak and the non-thinkers into believing they're special and will live forever. Just go to church and pay your money so your pastor can live the good life on the tax-free income.

Reid wrote on Dec 1, 2007 1:21 PM:Now who is intolerant?

Of This World Too wrote on Dec 1, 2007 2:04 PM:You're right...the Christian monikers and logos are oh so trendy. I look around and see that God is BIG business. I just might start a Christian-faith church and become a millionaire! Nah, I couldn't sell out my own thinking in hopes of getting a 10% take on all those little non-thinking lambs. I'm too ethical!

Lisa wrote on Dec 1, 2007 2:31 PM: Ok let's not put all Christians in the same boat. There are different Christian beliefs. I go to a church that believes in all people have the right to voice thier opinions. NONE of us have the right to tell anyone how to live or what to believe. What happened to "treat others as you want to be treated". Listen to your heart not the hate!

the point wrote on Dec 1, 2007 2:47 PM:In response to the comment by the "Teacher": I really respect your viewpoint and concern on this issue. My feeling upon this article is that this one teacher did go beyond the rules by taking advantage of a "captive audience." However, I did consider when I wrote my initial response that this issue is very complicated in that there needs to be a healthy framework for expressing different points of view in open debate. As we know, this is much more open in college. I believe that there is a framework put into place that is somewhat satisfactory for high school. The students get to express their point-of-view, and unfortunately, it is not the teacher's role to express their own point-of-view, only to facilitate discussions. Your role is not to feel suppressed by having to tolerate a student's hate, but to facilitate classroom discussion so that peer groups can come up with the right answers and guide each other. Usually when facilitated well, the offending student can be lead by peer-leadership to understanding that others have differing opinions. I understand that this does not bode well if you are living in a town like the movie "Deliverance"; however conservative Temecula may be, this not that closed-minded. Respect difference, and respect the students in the classroom. "Teacher," I know your job is hard, and respect what you have to endure from students and parents, but you have more to give than swallowing what you think you have to, when the platform does give you some room to facilitate. I wish you strength so that your frustration can turn into something in which your students can learn. Truly the teachers role in these issues are not easy.

What a joke wrote on Dec 1, 2007 3:22 PM:There is little chance for this 17 year old to grow up any time soon, seeing how her parents still havn't. I stubbed my toe in the mall the other day. Can anyone recommend a lawyer so I can sue Temecula?

freespeech wrote on Dec 1, 2007 3:25 PM:So we send our children to go to school to learn how to think. Then, when someones beliefs are questioned (or made fun of), we pull them out of school? If I were the parent of this child, I would have encouraged her to engage in the debate and defend her beliefs, not cower away and avoid the situation for the rest of the semester. After all, if you happen to be a Christian and believe that Christ suffered and died on the cross for your sins, the least you can do is have your children stand up for Him.

Nick's Right wrote on Dec 1, 2007 3:54 PM:There is a big difference between citing the verbiage of the Constitution and the history of how it developed. If you choose to believe that the authors of the Constitution weren't driven by Christian values, that's your ignorance. Aside from that, I'm still waiting for someone to come forward with information on which religions openly condone homosexuality. This Christianity debate is only a smokescreen to the real issue.

Lorraine wrote on Dec 1, 2007 4:07 PM:A Black man once said "Cant we all get along" Myself as a follower of Christ nope not Christian, not mormon, not any religion because religion is man made...I would never stoop so low to call myself a Christian because Christians give those who do the will of God a bad name. I have seen so many so called Chistians bash the gay/lezbian folks and in Gods word it says to LOVE all...Yeah the girl got emotional and what not but hey didnt her mom teach her to go and continue to love that teacher no matter what he or she said...Christians blow things out of porportion...Jesus didnt run and cry to the attorneys when Judas betrayed him did he? Think about it what did he do...

Reality wrote on Dec 1, 2007 4:09 PM:To "of this world" Your words of hate sound like you have had a bad experience with the church.I am a sinner and I go to church to remind myself of how I can do better. It does not matter to me if people do not believe in god but I have never seen anything wrong with the Golden Rule or the Ten Commandments. I hope whatever you believe in can bring you happiness and an open mind.

Nick wrote on Dec 1, 2007 4:13 PM:To To Nick: LOL...now I can't stop laughing. You really did flunk history didn't you? Nowhere did I say anything about Christianity and the Constitution. I stated the fact that the majority of men who wrote the Constitution were religous men of one faith or another, but they were all Christian based and Catholic. NOT Judaism, Buddism, Muslim or any other newcomer Religion to our Country. Yet, once again, the ill-informed running off at the mouth. Go back to school and this time pay attention!

What's wrote on Dec 1, 2007 4:19 PM:the teacher's name? I agree with the person above who said it's in style to bash Christians! And to everyone else ... it is the dawn (or mid-afternoon) of the new age -- before Christ returns. Time to repent and turn to God!

To NOTW wrote on Dec 1, 2007 4:28 PM:I want you to answer me something...are you saying your church has perfect people? If so i would like to meet them. Also in regards to the atheist comment...if Christians really beleive that folks where going to hell then why have you done more than bash others for what they believe in for so long maybe the Bibles, prayer and what not would still be in th schools. Dont stand at every street corner yelling and screaming everyone but you are goin to hell. Last I checked there was one judge.

FASCINATING wrote on Dec 1, 2007 4:35 PM:There are two sides to every story...just because the good little Christian girl said it doesn't make it true...just because nctimes prints it, doesn't make it true. When did America become so anti-christian? When people like this gave it a bad name. I don't even want to GO to church any more for fear of being lumped in with these intolerant fanatics. And AGAIN teachers must address things that come up in class that affect students. Language Arts gets VERY political because you read things like "The Crucible" (appropriate) and connect it to the real world.

WhoWhat wrote on Dec 1, 2007 5:02 PM:Teachers have no right vindictively chastizing any group for their personal beliefs (religious or political) and this teacher is no exception. This began when the state acted in a way that took away the input of the people, when will it end? The state is taking political correctness to an extreme level and it is up to the people to stand their ground and let them know when they are stepping out of line.. I am an agnostic but believe their are many merits to Christianity, those that ridicule and hate should listen to yourselves your vitriol shows your close mindedness and immaturity.

NOTW wrote on Dec 1, 2007 5:10 PM:Have you noticed how exspensive that brand is? Not to mention how skanky some of the girls' clothes look. WWJD?

HISTORY wrote on Dec 1, 2007 5:12 PM:doomed to repeat...the inquisition...the Salem Witch Trials...all in the name of saving Christianity.

LB wrote on Dec 1, 2007 5:27 PM:Reading, Writing and Arithmetic. That teacher is a hypocrite and should know that using her position of authority over a captive audience to shove HER opinions down their throats makes her a very weak and disgusting example of public education employees. Or maybe, it is actually a fair and accurate representation of public school employees? Doesn't feel too good to be included in ignorant generalizations does it? Where is the union in all of this? Is this the type of conduct that unions approve of? Then all union members are ignorant as well. See how generalizing can be so wrong? The union should remove her membership based on incompetence, the school should ban her from the property based on a civil liability clause and the family should place a lien on the teacher's personal property.

To Teacher wrote on Dec 1, 2007 5:31 PM:You don't sound much like a teacher, I though teachers were supposed to be mature clear-thinkers able to be above the childishness of their students. If you are a teacher maybe you better find another profession. There is NO excuse for shoving you belief system down any students throat, regardless of your superiority complex.

TO WHOWHAT wrote on Dec 1, 2007 5:32 PM:Political Correctness???? You mean to the point where you can SUE a teacher in A PUBLIC school where religion is NOT supposed to be pushed for hurting a kid's feelings?????? AND WHO SAYS SHE CHASTIZED ANYONE!!!! For all we know KIDS came in that day saying have you heard about this law, or why are people telling us not to go to school? The teacher probably said I know it's crazy, and that translated into CHRISTIANS are crazy...you SO NOT have the teacher's side and it IS IMPOSSIBLE not to address things in class when it has been thrust upon you by the community passing out fliers just off school grounds. THEY BROUGHT IT INTO THE CLASSROOM NOT THE TEACHER...besides if these are such good christians...WHY WAS THE KID IN SCHOOL ON THURSDAY IN THE FIRST PLACE???????

BOYCOTT wrote on Dec 1, 2007 5:35 PM:If they DARE try and fire this woman, I CALL FOR AN ALL TEACHER BOYCOTT. anyone could be next and the students know the power they have to get rid of a teacher they don't like. SOLIDARITY!!!!

Hmmmm wrote on Dec 1, 2007 5:36 PM:WHO contacted the newspaper??? Very telling how one sided this is. Very irreponsible for NCtimes to print this before it was investigated.

NOTICE wrote on Dec 1, 2007 5:37 PM:How Kabbany's stories always make the teacher look bad?

ed wrote on Dec 1, 2007 5:43 PM: I am an atheist (no, it is NOT a religion) and while agreeing with much of what the teacher said, that was the wrong place to say it!

JD wrote on Dec 1, 2007 5:45 PM:The teacher should not have made these comments, no matter how much or little truth there is in them. However, I would like to point something out here. Christians were attacked, and a Christian girl felt marginalized by these comments. Yet the root of these comments was the Christian church-led boycott of a bill that would stop marginalizing (in this case, of homosexuals). You all want to get up in arms about discrimination and hate-filled rants. That's fine, but don't you dare turn around and begin your own hate-filled comments toward homosexuals. If nothing else, this incident clearly illustrates the hypocrisy that pervades the masses...

Reality wrote on Dec 1, 2007 5:45 PM:The report claims that this girl raised her hand and asked to leave the class. I believe anybody whether they be Christian, Gay, Muslim, Obese, Blue, a teacher, would not want to sit by and hear these things being said about them or their beliefs. As far as the mother getting an attorney - I feel she is doing what she thinks is right to protect her daughter. I hope you would do the same if you felt your loved one was wronged.

To NOTW wrote on Dec 1, 2007 6:00 PM:Christians aren't perfect ... Just forgiven!

ridiculous wrote on Dec 1, 2007 6:03 PM:Teachers are not supposed to rant their viewpoints to the classroom, nor punish their students for their parents viewpoints. This reminds me of when one classroom teacher forced children forced children to empty the contents of their backpacks in the classroom because a few parents complained to the principal that their backpacks were too heavy. So girls who just started their periods had to dump school books along with Kotex pads for everyone to see. It wasn't due to a security threat or drugs being on campus, but a teacher being angry at a parents. This in turn humiliated the children. This article has less to do with the Christian standpoint and political issues; rather more to do with how teachers are dealing with these issues in the classroom.

SWAMP wrote on Dec 1, 2007 7:39 PM: One word: alleged. Another word comes to mind: slander. Do the readers of this article really believe the words of a disturbed teenage girl who is at her “breaking point?” I see only one side of the story here: that of a manipulative church lawyer with a clear agenda. Not to mention the view of the writer of the article, who I implore to exercise caution when using words like “rant” and “derogatory” before publishing an article to a predominantly conservative audience. Your ability to sway the public’s perception with this one-sided, absurd story is truly horrifying. Get little Brittney to a psychiatrist, and while you’re at it, give her a polygraph test before she carelessly damages anyone else’s reputation. Immediately.

Laura wrote on Dec 1, 2007 7:55 PM:The teacher should absolutely be fired. She is in a position of authority. She has a right to go to school and not be ridiculed for her religion. If she had said that black people are crazy and are oversensitve about race, etc. There would be no question of her termination. There is not much difference to ME regarding faith or race. I wish I could talk to this teacher. I would like to give her a piece of my Christian mind. What kind of teacher says that people are CRAZY for standiing up for their values, for standing up for what they believe in? This is what teachers should teach too along with the required curriculum. She has NO RIGHT to push her BIGOTRY against Christians down anyones throat on a school campus. She can do it in the free world on the street or at a party. But not in a position of teacher, where i pay my taxes too.

IF wrote on Dec 1, 2007 7:58 PM:Students were discussing then it is not a rant...a rant would suggest that she alone spoke...so the class discussion prompted by students lasted a half hour.

JUST TO BE CLEAR wrote on Dec 1, 2007 7:59 PM:so, it IS okay for a teacher to jam their viewpoints down students throats as long as it promotes christianity...then it's God's work. Okay.

Double Edged Sword wrote on Dec 1, 2007 8:01 PM:If the teacher hadn't spoken up, then the homosexual student could have also filed a complaint that open bias against sexual orientation was being allowed in a class discussion since the current TVUSD policy ALREADY includes sexual orientation in its harassment policy...damned if you do...damned if you don't.

Teacher wrote on Dec 1, 2007 8:03 PM:Maybe I should find another profession...or go to public school...oh wait. I AM in public school...couldn't tell. Oh well, can't wait to start brainwashing your kids on Monday.

AGAIN wrote on Dec 1, 2007 8:08 PM:She said...she said...YOU HAVE NO PROOF THE TEACHER SAID ANYTHING...IT IS BEING INVESTIGATED!!!!!ALL THIS IS HEAR SAY AND YOU ARE READY TO DESTROY A PERSON's CAREER!!! She is not a pedophile, she did not kill anyone, she made a girl uncomfortable that PRIDES herself on arguing her beliefs...you could even say, prides herself on SHOVING HER VIEWPOINTS DOWN OTHER PEOPLE'S THROATS? Oh, but the teacher is in the position of power you say? What power? The keys to the kingdom are in the hands of the children and their sue happy parents. Better watch what you say or it might end up recorded on FOX news or a lawsuit.

Total Set Up wrote on Dec 1, 2007 8:09 PM:They set those teachers up by promoting TRUANCY (which is illegal), even handing out pamphlets near campuses and then sat back to wait for a teacher to speak out against it, no doubt after her students brought it up. Entrapment if you ask me.

Soooo wrote on Dec 1, 2007 8:14 PM:The girl is "brave" in her mother's eys for sharing her beliefs but the teacher is a villian for speaking out against intolerance. She can dish it out but she can't take it? Who's the real hero? Obviously many students agreed which is why the girl felt "sad". She was defeated. Couldn't handle being wrong so $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

Islam wrote on Dec 1, 2007 8:17 PM:I think Islamist extemists are crazy for crashing planes into buildings, but that doesn't mean I hate all muslims. Obviosly this girl's parents aren't evangelicals that the teacher was talking about or she wouldn't have been in school that day. Somebody's a little too sensitive.

Generation M.E. wrote on Dec 1, 2007 8:18 PM:Typical...if I don't get my way I'll tell mommy and daddy and they'll sue. Yeah, that's how the real world operates.

Tax Payers Beware wrote on Dec 1, 2007 8:21 PM:You have just been put on notice of a future drain on our society and tax dollars. If Brittney Cowles is so thin skinned that she can't handle a single discussion that poses view opposite of hers, exactly how does anyone thing she will be able to handle living in the real world? Given her reaction, and her parents apparent enabling of that reaction, she is nothing more than a future SSI check just waiting to be cashed.

Separation My Foot wrote on Dec 1, 2007 8:22 PM:At CHS even the principal meets at the flagpole to pray for those who have not found Christ...how's that for alienating your Jewish, atheist, and Muslim students? Then the teachers codemn those kids to hell, complaints are made but unless mommy and daddy threaten to sue apparently it's okay. I see more hrassment in the name of God on a day to day basis than any other in this town. But that's justified somehow. So sick of the double standard!

JD wrote on Dec 1, 2007 9:30 PM:NCTimes needs to stop reporting on these allegations in regards to the schools. While the teacher's name wasn't provided this time, it's not hard to figure out who it is (since there are how many creative writing teachers at TVHS?). All this does is defame a person publicly, before any official word is passed. This causes the community to judge without evidence, and convict without a trial. That is plain wrong. Report when there are hard facts, not before.

TVUSD Better Watch Out wrote on Dec 1, 2007 9:40 PM:Their actions could make or break future cases like this. How many lawsuits can we pay out to "hurt feelings" and how many people will be fleeing the profession if they have to walk on eggshells. How many students will exploit the power and start making accusations about teachers (that nctimes will print before investigating).

To Teachers wrote on Dec 1, 2007 9:47 PM:To those teachers (you know who you are) Your politics, morals and anti-religious beliefs are yours, keep them to yourself. Ive decided I'm sending my kids in with their recorders. They may be in your class so stick to the curriculum and straighten up.

Another teacher wrote on Dec 1, 2007 9:51 PM:I have taught in this district for many years, and some of the finest students I have had are practicing Christians. However, the ones who have impressed me the most are they who lead so strongly by example that they have caused other students to wonder what makes them so special. I have also had many dealings with wonderful parents of these students. On the other hand, there definitely is a strong segment who see themselves as crusaders and relish the chance to incite issues and contention. I think they sincerely feel it is their duty and that they will be rewarded for it. If there is any way to involve lawyers and a greater public venue, all the better. Most of us know that there will be hell to pay if we do not constantly and vigilantly fly under the radar of such witch hunters. One could unwittingly make the most offhand comment that could be deemed suspect, pretty daunting for people who make their living talking most of the day! Most of these parents will make no effort at all to talk to the teacher and express concerns. They run straight for the entity that will elicit the biggest splash - the principal or someone at the district office. Almost every teacher I know has an outrageous story to tell about such a parent. Now I have no idea what happened in that classroom, but I'll wager there are two sides to this story. The fact that her mother praises her as always being the "brave squeaky wheel" is a real red flag for this mindset. Hope someone interviews other students and does a full investigation in case someone's career might be frivolously ruined.

BOO HOO wrote on Dec 1, 2007 10:00 PM:All this debate because a snivley, crybaby, 17-year old drama queen couldn't handle someone else's opinion that opposes her own. To the mom and other parents like her, tell her to buck up, get over it and get her education. Quit coddling your kids over every little life issue. Maybe it's best if she finishes her educaation at home so the rest of the students and faculty aren't exposed to her religious beliefs or her tantrums.

Thank You Another Teacher wrote on Dec 1, 2007 10:13 PM:You've nailed it. I think it's the relentless crusader mind-set that is causing so much debate here on Christian beliefs. I'm not Christian, and my spiritual beliefs are very dear to me and PRIVATE. I've lived in Temecula for almost 30 years and never has there been more in-your-face proselytizing by Christian crusaders. And it's eveywhere...school, politics, everywhere but church. Scary.

To Laura wrote on Dec 1, 2007 7:55 PM: wrote on Dec 1, 2007 10:31 PM:You "rant" like one of these crusaders (i.e. ignorant person). You wrote "What kind of teacher says that people are CRAZY for standiing up for their values, for standing up for what they believe in?" Firstly, you weren't in the class to hear what was actually said. Secondly, anyone who reads blantanly biased new aticles and believes them without using a modicum of their own critical-thinking to discern that the article is slanted, well, that kind of person is CRAZY! But, you're allowed to stand up for what other people tell you to believe in.

WhoWhat wrote on Dec 1, 2007 10:32 PM:This story highlights a problem that permeates the public school systems. It is about control and manipulation of young impressionable minds, by those who wish to change society to meet their views of social perfection. These teachers do think they are helping the world. Unfortunately they present one sided viewpoints and do not allow opposing opinions. Only those students that agree with the teacher are accepted and encouraged, the rest are belittled and threatened when they question the teachers concepts. These teachers are not discouraged by Administration when they are liberal, but if they are conservative (and even though they were presenting both sides) they are usually run out of school or ostracized. Conservatism can stand up to debate while liberalism cannot.. The bottom line is, that it is up to the parents to monitor their child's classes, to make certain your young student is getting both sides of a story, to encourage your children to ask why and not just take a teacher for their word as an authority figure. When indoctrination is noticed then it is up to the parent(s) to make it known to the teachers and administration that it will not be tolerated. Its time to take back the public school system and remind them who they work for.

win wrote on Dec 1, 2007 10:33 PM:The teacher sounds like the crusader in this case, not the 17 year old. The comments here seem to reflect the view that only certain people can express their views. I agree the students should not push their views, but neither should teachers. The comments are also cruel, but I'd guess they are trying to be. If it makes you feel better to be cruel and mean then thats what you are, cruel and mean.

Cruel & Mean wrote on Dec 1, 2007 10:50 PM:Ouch, you hurt my feelings. I'm gonna call mommy and she's gonna call a lawyer and sue you. (Now I feel better!)

If I Were a Teacher wrote on Dec 1, 2007 11:04 PM:To Win...We're not talking about an incident where a teacher pushed her random views on students. We're debating on whether it's okay for an organized anti-homosexual campaign by paranoid religious fanatics to hold a rally and encourage kids to stay out of school. This is the topic of discussion. This issue would have never happened if not for these fanatics threatening to hold this gay-bashing rally. And then they have the audacity to use the education system as their platform! If I were that teacher, I would have...?

Cruel & Mean wrote on Dec 1, 2007 11:16 PM:Ouch, you hurt my feelings, Win. I gonna tell my mommy and she's gonna call a lawyer. (Now I feel better!)

Long view wrote on Dec 2, 2007 3:17 AM:I believe that this is the very thing that our founding fathers had in mind when they placed an importance on the separation between church and state. Public school is state. Religious discussions belong in church, for students and teachers alike. Too much of this crap goes on. Maybe we should have separation of SEX, church, and state.

JIHAD wrote on Dec 2, 2007 8:24 AM:In the Sudan(where genocide of other religions is condoned) a British teacher stands to be put to death for naming the class teddy bear Muhammed...she hurt the muslims feelings and they felt mocked. Is this where we are headed? Tape recorders in classrooms?

Roberto1 wrote on Dec 2, 2007 8:43 AM:In defense of the student, the teacher is supposed to be the adult-supervisor-mentor. Obviously with all this time on their hands and nothing to do, the conversation had nothing to do with reading, writing, math, exercise or any educational activity IMHO. Freedom of speech for the teacher and the student should have been checked in at the front door and given back once out of the classroom.

WhoWhat wrote on Dec 2, 2007 11:24 AM:Its a sad day when it takes recorders in the classroom, but we as parents have no way of seeing what goes on in the classroom. When my sons come home saying their science teacher(s) in middle and high school showed them an inconvenient truth and spent the entire month going over how humans are creating the climate change, they did not include 1 iota of the large quantities of contradictory science, I was astounded. At the same time the video arts class presented all of Michael Moore's error filled movies and discussed the politics, not the films attributes or lack thereof, when my son challenged the teacher he was reprimanded and received a lesser grade in the class. When the teacher was questioned by myself he dismissed me with a empirical attitude as he teaches a class as he sees fit. When questioned by admin he was given a pass and the grade stuck. The only way to weed out these mind bending teachers is to play back their obvious misuse of class time and their elitist one-sided tyrannical abuse of their position(s). They must be held accountable to teach the subject(s) not political or anti religious brainwashing as its not what they are paid for, and remember who pays their salaries, WE DO.

To Roberto wrote on Dec 2, 2007 11:47 AM:However the kids came in talking about this and had questions for the teacher because as far as they knew it was a free day off and didn't know why. Hard to leave things at the door when [people] were advocating illegal behavior right off campus.

TO WHOWHAT wrote on Dec 2, 2007 12:47 PM:BOTH films are on the DISTRICTS APPROVED LIST with the appropriate standards being addressed. If you had a problem with the list, take it to the school board. The teacher could not have shown a contary film to balance if it was not on "the list". Moore's film is shown to study media bias...don't jump to conclusions. Global warming is science as much as people would like to deny it...just like evolution.

TO WHOWHAT wrote on Dec 2, 2007 12:50 PM:If you do not like the content being taught in PUBLIC schools, homeschool or privatize. The teachers do not randomly come up with curriculum on their own. Just because your son presented one side does not make it so...of course you precious children would never bend the truth...it's those evil teachers.

Crazies wrote on Dec 2, 2007 12:52 PM:People who bomb abortion clinics, people who suicide bomb, people who burn crosses....these all have religious links and I think we would agree are CRAZY but that does not mean I am condemning all of that religion.

ridiculous wrote on Dec 2, 2007 12:55 PM:I believe there are two sides to this story and I don't believe that NCTimes only showed one side, but represented a complaint in the news. While this teacher may need to be sanctioned, IF allegations are correct, I by no way believe that this teacher should lose a job over this alone. The district can work with their teachers and give them better training on how to handle these intense situations in a classroom. They may find, at times, the classroom is not the proper place to handle politics, but they can resume teaching the fundamentals and curriculum that they have been guided and trusted to teach. Let the district office deal with truancies and unacceptable absenses — this is their job, not the teachers. Sincerely, I do hope the teacher maintains a job and can return to teaching creative writing; albeit hard when creative writing should allow one to evoke an emotional response. Please control this by peer groups moderation and be more of a facilitator. All of us can learn from this.

WhoWhat wrote on Dec 2, 2007 3:16 PM:Sounds like I irked a couple of elitist "we know better than you" teachers, If you READ my post you would have known that I spoke to the teacher and the Admin they sounded just like you, thanks for proving my point. I like the idea of recorders in the classrooms look for them in your classrooms soon, maybe tomorrow. BTW Does your District know you recommend taking students out of your schools? remember it's $75.00 a day (that I pay for) and its all about the money! Forget about the education you get a F for that.

To WhoWhat wrote on Dec 2, 2007 5:44 PM:The fact that you went through the proper channels and were obviously wrong should say something. If you had a case at all it would have been taken care of. You need to protest the curriculum chosen by the state and district, Don't kill the messenger. Typical elitist parent to think you know more than the degree holding professionals!

Roberto1 wrote on Dec 2, 2007 5:58 PM:It might difficult to leave your civil liberties (freedom of speach) at the door before entering a classroom but, the liability to us the taxpayers is very high along with the disruption to to the rest of the classroom who are there to learn. Its time to stop making schools a nanny for all of societies ills. If this cannot be accomlished then they should hand out vouchers and allow all students to attend private education facilities...I'll betch 50 cents they don't put up with these types of game and goofyness.....

WhoWhat wrote on Dec 2, 2007 6:39 PM:It is not the curriculum only how it was presented, biased with an ultra liberal agenda and no competing ideologies. It is also a fact that schools ignore parents regularly unless we group en mass to get through your "degreed hard heads" Hiding behind a teaching credential is your common tactic that is supposed to end debate, why does it trump my Engineering degree? Do you all actually believe you are doing a good job? Look at the abysmal scores this state is scoring with a of 33 out of 51 state by state ranking, looks like a D-. Maybe its time to look inward instead of blaming parents. Even better, maybe you should start listening to the parents instead of discounting them wholesale as you have just done with me.

Thomas Jefferson wrote on Dec 2, 2007 8:11 PM:Hey Nick... from one of our founding fathers words of wisdom: "Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity."-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782. "But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." -Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782. "Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear." -Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787... Mentions of Christianity was purposely left out of our constitution by this great founder and its author. Our country was not founded on Christianity. If you want to live in a theocracy, maybe you'd be happier in the middle east.

To WhoWhat wrote on Dec 2, 2007 10:19 PM:Sounds like you have generalized all teachers. Who's biased now?

EXPLOITATION wrote on Dec 2, 2007 10:21 PM:It is WRONG to exploit young minds that have no choice for a personal agenda! How could these...PARENTS force their vies on kids and other people's kids by making them commit the illegal act of truancy JUST TO PUSH THEIR OWN LIFESTYLE AGENDA!!!! Oh and, Whowhat...whatever.

BOY wrote on Dec 3, 2007 1:03 PM:The kids are never wrong. They never attack a teacher after getting a bad grade:(

Lisa, Murrieta wrote on Dec 3, 2007 1:39 PM:I'm proud of Brittney for standing up to her teacher and letting her light shine for Jesus Christ! Sometimes children have to be brave and do the right thing when adults in charge don't.

Tyler wrote on Dec 3, 2007 3:12 PM:I'm in the class. That is NOT at all what happened. It's total b.s. and one-sided.

WhoWhat wrote on Dec 3, 2007 3:58 PM:Your bias? education is 95% Democrat and liberal at that, some are rabid anti-religious socialists. Your scores? Do something about them, but I forget the unions will have to bargain for every extra half minute you spend in class so working extra is out, and oh yes we wouldn't want to go learn how to better use computers on our own time, we need another pay raise for that. I have been around educators for a long time (yes I am among you) I have seen a small percentage of good teachers going to extra lengths to better teach their students, they should be commended given raises and raised high on a pedestal as they are the true teachers. To the others its just a paycheck and gimmie gimmie, blame, blame, the bell rings and your out the door.

To WhoWhat wrote on Dec 3, 2007 6:52 PM:If you believe 95% of educators are Democrat and liberal, I really doubt you've been around educators or among them as you claim. Either that or you really need to pull your head out...

To WhoWhat wrote on Dec 3, 2007 6:55 PM:And by the way. It is "you're"... not "your". Seems you need to be around educators a bit more.

An educator... wrote on Dec 3, 2007 7:26 PM:WhoWhat's use of "your" was correct...

OH YEAH!!! wrote on Dec 3, 2007 10:23 PM:Gimme dat big old paycheck!!!! SWEET!Then out the door to grade papers for 200 students a day!!!!!!!!!!!Thanks Tyler, I wish NC had interviewed you.Thank YOU for shining the light for Jesus Christ and truth.

WhoWhat wrote on Dec 3, 2007 10:27 PM:Seems you do not have a good argument so you call names and worry about grammar. I was looking for a debate with facts and thats the best you have? ...

To WhoWhat wrote on Dec 3, 2007 11:04 PM:WhoWhat: You didn't come here for a debate. You clearly came here to cast insults at teachers who you show absolutely no respect for. When you present an actual argument with facts, I'd be happy to debate you. Until then I see no reason to treat you with the same respect you give teachers. And to the educator above, you might want to reread his post. It is definitely "you're" as in "you are out the door." And no, I am not an educator, but find many of the posts here attacking them shameful.

WhoWhat wrote on Dec 4, 2007 6:53 AM:What about 33rd out of 51 states don't you understand, and if you read any of the statistics yes it is a 10 to 1 ratio of Democrats to Republicans. If you'RE not a teacher go away you have no clue. I have been involved in education for 2 decades I KNOW what Im talking about, and it is not all smiles and pats on the back, our states schools are in sad shape. The teachers unions and a good percentage of the teachers are to blame.

To WhoWhat wrote on Dec 4, 2007 8:30 AM:For starters: not all of the To WhoWhat posts are from the same person, as no doubt you've angered many teachers and others with your ignorant posts. I may not be a teacher myself, but I am married to one. There may be more Democrats than Republicans among teachers, but it is far from the 10 to 1 ratio you suggest. But then again, with Republican Limbaugh clones such as yourself always bashing teachers, why would any teacher want to identify themselves with your party? Try to treat people with a little respect, and perhaps you'll earn some for yourself. That would be the Christian thing to do.

Democrats wrote on Dec 4, 2007 9:35 AM:Maybe because teachers actually HAVE an education. It's no accident. People who are open to learn new things rather than stereotyping and closing things out usually become teachers.

Notice.... wrote on Dec 4, 2007 9:36 AM:That whowhat's kid got a bad grade...typical to blame the teacher.

Illiogical wrote on Dec 4, 2007 10:07 AM:To keep your kids in public school when you have such disdain for the curriculum and the teachers.

WhoWhat wrote on Dec 4, 2007 10:24 AM:Whenever my kid gets a bad grade i KNOW it is the elitest liberal tecahers pushing there agenda. there is no other explanation. Typical for you to blame the child who is brave enough to challenge the gay loving teachers.

Slingbacks wrote on Dec 4, 2007 10:35 AM:You people are evoking the direct opposite response. Your kids are being pushed so far right in one direction that when they turn 18 they "slingback" in the opposite direction. I had a Mormon student who is now working on Obama's campaign and a gay rights activist. Or was it my liberal influence? MMMMWWWWAAAAHHHHHAAAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

Counter-Suits wrote on Dec 4, 2007 11:44 AM:California law prohibits taping a conversation when a person would have a reasonable expectation of privacy.

JD wrote on Dec 4, 2007 2:27 PM:51 states? Wow, my liberal teachers lied to me! Oh wait... my US History teacher was an outspoken conservative. Incidentally, he's also the only person who pushed his beliefs on students (of all the teachers I had in high school). I must say, I like the comment saying that most teachers are liberal because most teachers are well educated. Incidentally, many large universities (including UCLA and UC Berkeley), are very liberal as well. And to WhoWhat, your kid getting a bad grade has nothing to with the teachers' views on gays. Unless of course the bad grade came on a science paper that tried to make scientific arguments based on religion.

Republican Teacher wrote on Dec 4, 2007 2:47 PM:What's wrong with our schools? There are not enough Republican teachers. Those of us who want to teach what is right and how to work hard for success. Not just be given success because it makes one feel good, or that student is nice and quiet or cooperative. Liberals have hurt our schools with all their hand outs and freebies.

JD wrote on Dec 4, 2007 2:53 PM:Perhaps I should clarify, before somebody twists the end of my last comment. When I said "your kid getting a bad grade has nothing to with the teachers' views on gays. Unless of course the bad grade came on a science paper that tried to make scientific arguments based on religion." I didn't mean to make it seem as though in that case, it would be the teacher's view that leads to the bad grade. In my example, it's not a subjective thing; the bad grade came from your kid being