Truth Squad wrote on Dec 30, 2007 7:49 AM:LAUSD Reference Guide 1557 reads, "Schools may maintain separate restroom facilities for male and female students." It only says, "at the discretion of an administrator," a student may be provided access to a restroom that corresponds to the gender identity the student has consistently asserted at school, and if more privacy is requested, the student would be provided a facility in the nurse's office or some other individual, or "unisex" restroom. Tyler implies all students could demand access to any restroom they choose by whimsically declaring a gender for the day. WRONG! And also more evidence of how he tries to cloud the issue with ridiculous claims.

Chuckles wrote on Dec 30, 2007 8:06 AM:As always, the truth is found somewhere in between the opposing viewpoints of Ms. Kuehl and Mr. Tyler. At the end of the day, Ms. Kuehl only seeks to promote tolerance, civility, and space for children who feel different from their peers. Nothing wrong with that. At the same time, however, Mr. Tyler raises a valid point about innocently "heterosexual" school traditions (like having a homecoming king and queen) and how lawsuit-fearing school administrators will react (or overreact?) to the new legislation by stamping out these age-old institutional traditions in the name of "respect."

Head in the sand.... wrote on Dec 30, 2007 9:00 AM:Does anyone really doubt this is a thinly veiled attempt to begin to indoctrinate school children into the pro-homosexual lobby? The law was written by a militant homosexual and as usual is discussed in the code words of "tolerance and diversity." Don't be fooled for a minute, and don't let your children be used as pawns in the ongoing battle of political correctness.

To head in the sand wrote on Dec 30, 2007 10:23 AM:To answer your question, I doubt that this is a thinly veiled attempt "to indoctrine school children into the pro-homosexual lobby." Robert Tyler biline calls him a general counsel for a lawfirm called "Advocates of Faith..." and which wants "religious liberty." Which faith and which religious liberty? Likely he only supports the viewpoints of the hate-filled intolerant version of Christianity that has recently swept through our churches like a virlent plague. Remember the good old days when Christians were known for love and charity? What ever happened to those Christians?

WhoWhat wrote on Dec 30, 2007 12:46 PM:This story had no facts, just spin. Its time for government to stop bending over backwards for every alternative lifestyle that comes along. If you choose your lifestyle then why are we (in the majority) then expected to accept and embrace it, and why in the world do we have to bring this to the forefront of our children's education?. I will not Hate, but why do I have to embrace.

Hazumu wrote on Dec 30, 2007 5:55 PM:I'm tansgendered. I followed the protocols set forth by the World Professional Association for Transgender Health in my transition. It's a long process whereby medical professionals trained in gender issues make sure that someone who claims to be transgendered is not transitioning for the wrong reasons. Most transgender knew they were this way from an early age (I know I did). I had an abusive stepfather 'beat the gay out of me', and in school I was a bully-magnet, enduring far more torment than those students who were 'normal'. It didn't prevent my transition, only delayed it. I have not married nor produced children because I knew it was wrong for me to do so. To the opponents of SB 777 -- you can't stop homosexual, you can't stop transsexual, you can only attempt to make sure your torture and torment of those afflicted by it is not criminalized, so you can continue to your prejudice, your bigotry and your hate with impunity.

To Head in the Sand wrote on Dec 30, 2007 7:06 PM:You are absolutely right. My children are not going to be reading any sort of nonsense textbook that takes out mom and dad, and puts in Bob and Bill, or Sally and Sue. Yes, the homosexual agenda is out there for our children to see, and I think it stinks! Thank you liberal Arnold. What another fine mess you have gotten California into.

Who hates more wrote on Dec 30, 2007 10:08 PM:Looks like the pro gay and lesbian group write more hate and dish it out more intolerance than any Christian group. Please if you are going to shove tollerance down our throats then pleas practice what you preach. You hate anybody who does not accept your way of life and since you are a dieing group ie no children you have to recruite ours. No I won't tollerate your gay influence on my 6th grader. I am pulling my kids out of public school this year.

Richard wrote on Dec 31, 2007 7:52 AM:It's the tidal wave prophesied in Brave New World, when test tube babies are not only preferred, but mandatory. Natural child birth will be outlawed, to better guarantee genetic classifications in the work force, and little children be taught to disregard the ancient moral teachings about sex, ... Wake up,folks.

SoCalNative wrote on Dec 31, 2007 3:57 PM:So many people here seem to feel that "tolerance" is somehow intolerant. How can that be? In a tolerant society, your children will not be forced to be gay any more than they will be forced to be straight. Your children will not have to put up with bullying or violence from people who are different from them, whether those other people are gay or straight. Your children will be able to live their lives peaceably in the way that is most rewarding for them and their loved ones. How is this bad? How does this harm you? How is this somehow giving anyone "special" rights?

The real problem for those who are getting hysterical about this law is that for some time now they have not been permitted to beat up gay people, and have not been permitted to make lying claims about gay people without being challenged. They are really upset by this! For hundreds of years they and their kind ruled the roost, and they are angry that in the last half century their excesses have been curbed.

That's the problem with a modern democracy: no one group gets to call all the shots, and making an effort to get along with one's neighbors is a civil obligation, even if those neighbors are very different.

Sean wrote on Dec 31, 2007 9:15 PM:It's funny to see how many people ignore reality, claiming that it's merely a part of some leftist agenda. Gender Identity Disorder does exist. Research has shown that there are indeed people who have brain structures which are typical of members of the opposite sex- biological men with female brains and vice versa. It's not a choice, nor is it some strange form of recruitment or indoctrination.

Quite frankly, as a transman, I would not wish the problems my GID has caused me on anyone. I spent years hating myself- I hated myself for being different than the other girls, I hated myself for wanting something that the moral authorities in my life said was wrong, I hated my body because it had the wrong parts.

I suffered, in part, because of people who felt that the line between male and female was so absolute that only perverts and freaks would ever try to cross it. It's sad to see that the so-called "moral authority" would punish children for being born with atypical brain structures. Thank you, Mr. Tyler, for showing that this mindset is still very much alive and well.

Bert wrote on Jan 1, 2008 8:38 AM:The really sad news is there is no study, no science and no scientist that supports the idea homosexuals are born with their same sex attraction. All the evidence supports the environment in which children are raised as a key factor in causing the confusion that leads to same sex attraction.

Since California seems to be a place where same sex confusion is supported and enabled, then California should also be a place that supports the growing ex-gay population.

oscar wrote on Jan 1, 2008 12:11 PM:Hey, California- you voted for these knuckleheads. Live with it. As for me, I'll stay here in fly-by country where women are women and the men are glad that they are.

Allen wrote on Jan 1, 2008 1:12 PM:Now that the state has allowed school kids to use the others(?) facilities...does that mean adults in the state buildings can do the same. I would like to address this by using the "womens" facilities in the capital!!

rightwingpundit wrote on Jan 1, 2008 1:14 PM:I have no hatred for anyone. But to give special treatment to a small population and to teach children to be tolerant of a homosexual lifestyle while at the same time telling my Christian children that there is no place for their lifestyle in school and not to talk about their beliefs because you may hurt someones feelings.


That is hipocracy.

Tony wrote on Jan 1, 2008 1:20 PM:Ultra Tolerance has actually become intolerant. As so many ill conceived ideas such as Affirmative action (Racist against Whites), here we have a policy which is bigoted towards straight Christians. Just look at these comments:

“…viewpoints of the hate-filled intolerant version of Christianity that has recently swept through our churches like a virlent plague. Remember the good old days when Christians were known for love and charity?”

Oh, excuse me? If you actually think that the Churches have become intolerant of homosexuals (by allowing Gay Priest) then you don’t belong in a logical discussion. No, I remember the good old days were Christians were known for morality.

“…your torture and torment of those afflicted by it is not criminalized, so you can continue to your prejudice, your bigotry and your hate with impunity.”

It’s not bigotry to or hate to dislike the perverse. In contrast you hate yourselves and those who are normal.

" Looks like the pro gay and lesbian group write more hate and dish it out more intolerance than any Christian group. Please if you are going to shove tollerance down our throats then pleas practice what you preach. You hate anybody who does not accept your way of life and since you are a dieing group ie no children you have to recruite ours. No I won't tollerate your gay influence on my 6th grader. I am pulling my kids out of public school this year. "

You are correct; this is all about recruitment into this lifestyle of suicide.

" So many people here seem to feel that "tolerance" is somehow intolerant. How can that be? In a tolerant society, your children will not be forced to be gay any more than they will be forced to be straight.

Go tell that garbage to those teaching children that Billy has two Daddies’. Let me explain this too you, homosexuality is bad for the individual, society, and humanity. And California has no right shoving an abnormal behavior down our thoughts.

“Quite frankly, as a transman, I would not wish the problems my GID has caused me on anyone. I spent years hating myself- I hated myself for being different than the other girls, I hated myself for wanting something that the moral authorities in my life said was wrong, I hated my body because it had the wrong parts.”

Exactly, we don’t want your self hatred, confused and diseased mind/lifestyle spilling over to our normal children.

SoCalNative wrote on Jan 1, 2008 1:34 PM:Bert, saying something is so doesn't make it so. And the fact that you have ignored the wide range of studies in biology and genetics that have begun to explicitly identify the physiological differences between people of different sexual orientations doesn't mean those studies haven't been done.

There has never been evidence that purely environmental factors determine sexual orientation. That was the assumption of psychiatrists in the 1930s and 40s and 50s, but it was an assumption based on religious belief and on theories that have now been discredited, not on well-run research.

Opponents of civil rights for all Americans have always claimed that the people they don't like are inferior or damaged in some way. They make false claims about black people, native Americans, asians, gay people, hispanics - it's a very old story.

That's why laws like SB 777 are needed - to counteract the efforts of those who sow lies and animosity to support their prejudices.

Russ wrote on Jan 1, 2008 1:50 PM:Hey look at the bright side! At least Schwarzenegger denied drivers' licenses to illegals. Had Arnold not have that, we would have mutant transsexual beaners spilling out of the piñatas. That good ol' Arny, still trying to script his next movie;)

Please check you penis at the door....... wrote on Jan 1, 2008 2:31 PM:Please..... raise your kids at home, not in the school..

For America to continue to be the best country on Earth for ALL OF US.... schools need to educate not indoctrinate.

When my kids become experts in math, science and history... then we'll start on why Jhonny has 2 moms!

Free public education is soon going to be only Liberal and homosexuals, who can pat themselves on the back all the want .... the rest of us will gladly pay for private schools to teach them how to succseed on their own..

Agrippa wrote on Jan 1, 2008 2:41 PM:I think most of you have been blinded by the details . .. which was the goal of these marxists in the first place. Please use Okham's Razor and get to the heart of the issue.

The goal has nothing to do with sexual identity at all, but instead aims to create anarchy and chaos. Anarchy and chaos serve the purpose of Marxists because it is only in that environment that they can flourish. They are setting them selves up as the sole arbitrators in a chaotic system of their own creation.

When people are confused they seek clarity. Who will clarify this situation? The Marxists who created this system of course. Anyone who has read the 18 Point plan issued by the Kremlin to their western operatives in 1957 will know that these people are just following a plan . . . a very old plan.

When you are confused about the logic of any democrat / marxist program and the seeming illogic of its reason ask the question, "Does it serve to create chaos and anarchy and set the marxists up as an authority figure for arbitration?"

Chances are if you start viewing their activities through that prism then their programs began to make sense. Every facet of their ideology and social meddling leads us towards dissolution and anarchy as opposed to a unified people, soy can achieve the supreme goal of a communist dictatorship in America.

No nation has ever become communist without first being bitterly divided. Check your history.

Mother nature wrong? wrote on Jan 1, 2008 2:44 PM:Look at the world around us..... Every animal species has distinct males and females, and can only reproduce with each other...

I know that there are a few exeptions to that rule out there and we humans are no different.. but the animal world doesn't stop and lay down for the one who is "different"..

Why are we any different?

The left is sooooo much in favor of teaching our kids tolerance of their culture,and allowing them to decide for themselves, but mention God and suddenly their is no choice.... God is wrong, and we have to keep it out of the schools...

If God has to stay out of the school, then so should the Homosexual life style....this way no one is imposing anything and kids can truly choose for them selves.

For the suffering transgenders... hope can be found in Jesus Christ, he will lead you in the right direction and sooth your suffering... God makes no mistakes THAT INCLUDES YOU!!!!!

GIVE HIM A CHANCE

SoCalNative wrote on Jan 1, 2008 4:37 PM:"Mother Nature Wrong" seems to be unaware of all of the research which has found same-sex behavior to be common and widespread among mammal and bird species. But no other species treats their fellow creatures badly when they have sex with others of the same gender. So apparently homosexual behavior is as natural as breathing, but only humans are homophobic.

Most Christian parents are glad that their children are not being taught to worship Hindu gods at school. Fair is fair, though, so schools are not allowed to teach children to worship the Christian gods either. What has this got to do with SB 777? I don't know, but Nature Wrong seems to think they're linked.

Basic fairness is why public schools are not allowed to endorse any particular religion. And basic fairness is why public schools are not allowed to endorse any particular sexual orientation, either.

Remember - no culture has ever fallen because it allowed homosexual behavior to flourish, but many cultures have fallen after they began to suppress homosexual behavior. The Roman Empire fell only after it had adopted Christianity and Christian emperors made homosexual acts illegal. The Dark Ages were brought about in Europe only AFTER Christianized rulers began suppressing same-sex behavior among ordinary citizens.

Anti-gay attitudes and behavior are a dangerous cause of social decay, and SB 777 tries to protect us against the
moral corrosion of bigotry.

M Guzzi wrote on Jan 1, 2008 4:46 PM:This is the biggest load of CRAP I have ever heard of ! This is Nuts, insane and plain stupid ! If this foolishness becomes law there will many politicians that will be tossed out on their ears because of this. And I will lead the revolt.

anthony wrote on Jan 1, 2008 5:10 PM:hope you all love your gay cirriculim in school, at least they banned the bible, right? You see how gays want special treatment, not equal treatment.

Hoosiernorm wrote on Jan 1, 2008 5:25 PM:I remember white flight during the 60's. I wonder if this will be the beginning of straight flight.

Frank wrote on Jan 1, 2008 5:47 PM:Why is "tolerance" now defined as ignoring reality? Maybe a boy can't choose the girl's restroom on a daily whim, but he can choose it if he says "hey, I'm a girl" and sticks to it all year.

Restrooms have been segregated by equipment forever. Why does that need to change? Why can't a boy who "identifies" himself as a girl still use the restroom that's appropriate for his equipment?

Adam wrote on Jan 1, 2008 6:00 PM:Boy California is going to start turing out some sick little monkeys now. But not to worry, they'll all be referred to the quacks in the psychology industry for years and years of useless theapry, and eventually put on anti-depresseants which will cause them to go on a bloddy rampage.

llasnorom wrote on Jan 1, 2008 7:59 PM:Wow, lots of lunatics on this forum. Great spelling, too. This country is going to hell.

joe wrote on Jan 1, 2008 8:37 PM:Strange this starts making some mainstream press so late. There is still one week left to get a referendum on the ballot. Find a petition center (do a SB 777 google search) and make an effort to go sign if you haven't already. Mine are all filled and gone.

TownCrier wrote on Jan 1, 2008 9:05 PM:Congratulations Agrippa, you seem to be a lone voice with actually some forebearence on the situation. I'm afraid however, that things may be a tad more sinister than just a Marxist ploy. Most people are either too stressed, prescription med'ed out, alcoholic, or just too overwhelmed to see all the pieces converging. Illegal immigrants, Islamic fanaticals, TB, economic stresses, Bird flu, Ecoli, Radical homosexuality, Disenfranchised Congress, corruption in the White House, and just when you think your Prosac is effective, along comes China and it's whole host of subverting schemes. We're being set up people and you really need to get your thumbs out of your arses and start paying attention. Home school the kids if your able. Buy plenty of quality vitamins to supplement the crappy food. Don't drink Floridated water. If you think this a joke, start reading more than the comic sections or your propaganda de jour. Be something more than a pawn....get ready.

Steve wrote on Jan 1, 2008 9:34 PM:Maybe if Biology and Psychology were taught correctly the obvious "short-circuiting" of self-preservation of our species via procreation evidinced in such lunatic behavior would be blatantly clear.

Steve wrote on Jan 1, 2008 9:38 PM:P.S. Just because you can cite dysfunction in nature proves nothing except maybe the concept of a "fallen creation".

Matt-California wrote on Jan 1, 2008 10:24 PM:Well the author of SB 777 went too far, but the opponents of SB 777 are just as evil too.

We should just end the social engineering and just learn to learn to live and let live.

If someone is indeed transgendered, they could learn to homeschool, or take physical education at a local exersise club instead of the public school. Home schooling is good for both traditional and non traditional students.

I know the gender issue is getting all the SB777 proponents up in arms, but Shelia should of just patched it up and said, mental gender based on doctor and or psychologist determination. So straight boys would not have the itchin of wanting to check out the girls in their changing rooms.

And honestly if you do not want these silly bills passed, get social conservative democrats who are socialists and then you can stop this legislation. Problem is no one wants Republicans gay or straight representing them in California. As long as the Democrat passes a 12.00/hr mininum wage bill and socialised medicine thats all the voters want it seems.

Granny Smith wrote on Jan 1, 2008 11:01 PM:Well I aint never in all my life.

Yuck wrote on Jan 1, 2008 11:11 PM:I think i am going to puke.

Nikkigirl wrote on Jan 2, 2008 12:45 AM: So is the gay community which is by far very successful in there careers telling us they had a tough time in school? I mean if it was rough should we not see more gay drop out and bums or gays with low paying jobs. Instead they live in posh areas and have great cars and fantastic jobs... It is another propaganda tool of the schools to tear your family structure apart.

Lars wrote on Jan 2, 2008 3:41 AM:Head to the polls. Vote [them] out.

Stan wrote on Jan 2, 2008 5:30 AM:What bothers me the most: I could not even imagine how common sense can be perverted so ridiculously on a government level.

When I lived back in Russia, we had a popular children movie "Adventures of Gelsomino". The movie showed a fictious country where everything was a lie: dogs were called cats and vice versa. So cats were obligated to bark, and dogs: meowing under penalty of law. Even a newspaper was called "A Genuine Liar". That was funny to see that as a fiction, but I could not imagine that some crazy lies (even comparing to Soviet lies) could be right here, in California, in "free" USA.

Life sucks.

Born Again wrote on Jan 2, 2008 8:37 AM:2 Peter 2:6: And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

P wrote on Jan 2, 2008 8:45 AM:And as it was in the days of Noah....

us13 wrote on Jan 2, 2008 9:11 AM:hazumu,the issue is that once you were at the age of being able to make your own decision, you did. That is ok. The problem, is that you are going to have potential child abuse by radical gays who will seek to convert young minds.

Free Speech wrote on Jan 2, 2008 9:25 AM:I think gay and lesbian and transgender is gross. It just grosses me out. That is my opinion and I hope it is still protected under the first amendment. I didn't say anything about hate, just that it grosses me out.

CHILDREN DON'T NEED TO BE TAUGHT THIS CRAP. THEY ARE CHILDREN AND ARE INNOCENT. DON'T OPEN PANDORA'S BOX. LET KIDS LEARN ABOUT MATH AND SPELLING.

splco97 wrote on Jan 2, 2008 9:48 AM:I love the arguments that speak of accepted homosexuality in nature. I'm happy to here, if I decide to eat my own feces, or throw it at people, I'll be accepted. The "accepted in the animal kingdom" argument is a huge stretch.

Alf wrote on Jan 2, 2008 10:33 AM:Are there murderers among us? Is your neighbor a drug-dealer? Does Uncle Earnie touch John in an illegal way? Those are important questions. Is Joan gay? Is John really a Jean? Those are not. It is about time that priorities are made right. Did GWB lie his way into killing over 3,800 American Troops by proxy? Yes! With a liar of a mad-man running this country, you folks are more worried about accepting the differences in life that do not harm people than you are about John G.I. or Joan G.I. getting killed in Iraq because a proven liar sent them there under false pretenses. You are so hung up on sexuality that you pay no attention to "the man?? behind the curtain" who is preparing to invade yet another country, Iran, when we can least afford to squander the lives of our American Troops and our American Economy. Get real. Regards, Alf.

joe wrote on Jan 2, 2008 11:03 AM:We the little people were able to reverse steam roll congress (for a while) on their amnesty plan this summer.

We the little people still have a chance to voice oppinion on this nonsense. It takes a little more effort than a phone call or email this time though, and even burns many Arny Global Warming Carbon Credits. There are ~400,000 referendum petitions circulating California with room for 10 names each. ***Find one before Friday!!!*** Get at least one name on one. Find two friends or family members to join you and spread the word. Most people will tell you that you are nuts and that this didn't happen and a few will tell you it this is meant for a positive change, but the 10 forms we had did fill up pretty fast.

Just Wondering wrote on Jan 2, 2008 12:05 PM:Gee, I wonder how the Tolerant Leftist Agenda is going to avoid the coming conflict that is inevitable with this policy? It would seem that this would directly conflict with the Muslim population, which finds absolutely no equality between males and females. In this particular environment, how will the California educators decide which Muslim girls will be allowed to wear burqua's, and how should a Muslim's faith be honored ? If I were a Muslim, I would be outraged. Gee, I guess it is harder than it looks to be "tolerant" of everything...

Danny wrote on Jan 2, 2008 1:51 PM:To SoCal Native. SB 777 has nothing yto do with Civil Rights. It has only to do with letting a very small minority have special liberties. Soon the perverts that think sex with kids is ok will be asking for special considerations. Every fringe group will be holding out their hand for their slice of the pie.

Harry wrote on Jan 2, 2008 2:46 PM:I doubt this is going to help anyone but the truly deviant, like a Larry Craig. This will not increase approval of the GLBT life choicem, but further make it difficult for students to learn about anything except political indoctrination and sex at school.

A clue: this learning emphasis will not help students get and hold jobs...

PCISLAME wrote on Jan 2, 2008 3:19 PM:Why is it considered hate, when you don't agree with someones lifestyle? The direction of our country is headed for destruction over all this PC crap. Listen, if you're gay, trannie, whatever, that's you. I don't give HOOT about what you do in your bedroom, and you should not care whether or not I think your lifestly is an abomination. Last time I checked, this WAS America, where I am free to THINK or SPEAK that. I hate it when my gay friends call me a breeder...do I sue them? I guess I should. Just shut up, and leave your sexual preference in the DAMN BEDROOM and leave EDCUCATION of math reading and writing to the schools. I will decided what to "Moraly" teach my child. And if my child does not like what she was taught, when she is an adult, she can do what she likes. LEAVE ME TO RAISE MY CHILD! NOT GOVERNMENT....grow a damn backbone, please gay people, please.

Don wrote on Jan 2, 2008 3:35 PM:I have shown this to my teenage Children. When they stopped laughing i the told them what this means. (cant tell the parents) interesting. We are building a country of weakeness.
down the road prime for taleover. I have told my children hitlers did things like these. carl marx did things like these. the enemies of this country must be watching and saying it wont take as long as we thought.

Mad as Hell wrote on Jan 2, 2008 4:05 PM:This is insane, Idaho here I come.

KAR wrote on Jan 2, 2008 4:31 PM:HELLO EVERYONE.....For those of you who are interested in actually doing something about stopping SB777.....get a petition and sign it NOW! I was able to get a lot of signatures. I wish this had gone public a month ago. Go to ... There is very little time left. January 4th is the deadline !!! Stop talking about it and get moving!!! Thank you!

PCISLAME wrote on Jan 2, 2008 4:33 PM:Alf wrote on Jan 2, 2008 10:33 AM:

" Are there murderers among us? Is your neighbor a drug-dealer? Does Uncle Earnie touch John in an illegal way? Those are important questions. Is Joan gay? Is John really a Jean? Those are not. It is about time that priorities are made right. Did GWB lie his way into killing over 3,800 American Troops by proxy? Yes! With a liar of a mad-man running this country, you folks are more worried about accepting the differences in life that do not harm people than you are about John G.I. or Joan G.I. getting killed in Iraq because a proven liar sent them there under false pretenses. You are so hung up on sexuality that you pay no attention to "the man?? behind the curtain" who is preparing to invade yet another country, Iran, when we can least afford to squander the lives of our American Troops and our American Economy. Get real. Regards, Alf. "

Lefy...all the way...

Undecided wrote on Jan 2, 2008 4:39 PM:I am biologically male. Can I define myself as female? Furthermore, can I define myself as a Lesbian as well? Nothing like having the best of all possible worlds.

KAR wrote on Jan 2, 2008 4:40 PM:I forgot that web addresses are not allowed. So if you want to sign a petition, google SB777 and look for "save our kids." Every signature helps. Thank you.

boomboom wrote on Jan 2, 2008 6:29 PM:I'm a straight male...i guess with this law I could be considered a lesbian.

Harvey wrote on Jan 2, 2008 6:31 PM:don no too mucho bout biolagee
don kno 2 much tryganomerery
don no much abot sience boks'
don no 2 mucho about the french i took.
(LAUSD theme song)
about 60% of the students in the LAUSD school district will not finish and graduate. I left LA for orange county in 1976 to enroll my children in a better school system. the LA schools were bad then, i cannot imagine now. run by the unions for union members.
when the teachers were o

TWB wrote on Jan 2, 2008 7:11 PM:Yeah...great idea. Let's redefine "Life." That rock is a living thing...so's my car, but I'm really dead.

I could say that I'm female and go into the girl's locker room!!!

Ivan wrote on Jan 2, 2008 7:25 PM:Home schooling, it's going to be big.

Saddened wrote on Jan 2, 2008 8:48 PM:Does this mean the schools will also promote junior gay pride parades? Have not gone to or intend to go to one, go watch people make total fools of themselves to promote their lifestyle, tells you alot about intelligence, lack of morals, what drugs are they on cramming this down people's throats! I unforunately seen the pics on the internet. This is what SB777 wants to promote, total confusion for young children, who will never be given the chance to know who they really are, but to be stupid by not learning in school, but promoting all that is immoral! Leviticus Chapter 18 vs 22; It's time for "God in Heaven" to take this nation back it was founded under him back!

fred wrote on Jan 2, 2008 9:25 PM:This is a pedophile's dream. My 9 yr old is now being homeschooled. damn goverment, turning the country over to the perverts. Now wonder I dont vote!

satan wrote on Jan 2, 2008 10:22 PM:Stop the world I'd like to get off now...

Hobart wrote on Jan 2, 2008 11:11 PM:My children will NEVER attend public schools here in California. The pro-gay agenda has taken hold of, and is now strangling, the state with its propaganda. We have to "tolerate" the idea of children picking and choosing their gender? Only on Halloween!! And only to choose a costume that may be ridiculously fun to wear. The other 364 days of the year I want my state's schools and teachers to use common sense and put an end to Ms. Kuels' war on family and war on society. It is not intolerant to oppose insanity! It is sane! I oppose SB777 and it's insane supporters. I am a Christian. I believe in children, family, and in our society, but not when gays/lesbians cram insanity down my throat. Stop it!!!! REPEAL SB777!

Lou wrote on Jan 2, 2008 11:37 PM:1st-Lets recall and terminate Arnold the RINO, 2nd- lets do the nation a favor,lets just wipe Kalifornia off the map,Kalifornia is like a venerial disease,it starts here and spreads. I live here but I sure hope that when that 9.0 quake hits, Kalifornia will just slip right into the Pacific. This State of Confusion has gone beyond all madness. To the rest of the nation: this is just the beginning, be very aware.

Founding Fathers are Spinning... wrote on Jan 3, 2008 2:33 AM:Yet more filth coming from CA and I know, I lived in SF Bay for four years and saw more disgusting and hateful things happening there than anywhere else I have lived or traveled. Someone please tell me what the hell someone's sexual orientation or "gender idenity" has to do with their ability to learn core subjects in school? Or their ability to work? I am SO sick and tired of GLBT making their sexuality which is a private matter a public matter. Please have some decency and keep what you choose to do out of our faces. I don't flaunt my "breeder" (lovely SF term for people like me) status in front of you. And for the CA lawmakers, you have no business shoving this down childrens throats either. Talk about pandering to minority special interest groups while the majority have to keep their mouth shut or be accused of being intolerent or discriminatory. It's definitely an Alice in Wonderland kinda world nowadays.

Bert wrote on Jan 3, 2008 7:59 AM:Hey SoCalNative. If you're so sure of yourself then go ahead and post a reference to a study or a credible scientist that supports your statement. Go ahead. Unfortunately for you, you can't. I know that. You know that, and when you don't respond with a reference to a study that supports your statements, everybody will know it.

There is no study, no science and no credible scientist that supports your statement.

Disgusted wrote on Jan 3, 2008 11:32 AM:As a 20+ year CA school dist. employee, I can tell you all that you would be sickened to know how your tax dollars are wasted in the public school system. One of the Gov's broken promises was to audit the school system. The students are inundated each day with indoctrination of every new liberal agenda. The history books have been rewritten to be politically correct and on and on. The schools should teach knowledge and skills for students to grow into responsible adults and not have opinions indoctrinated into them. At 18 or 20 yrs. old if a person wants to declare they are a different sex then so be it but not in our public K-12 schools.

ExpressingTruth wrote on Jan 3, 2008 2:35 PM:I am a recently graduated high school student that is appalled by the idea that gender will no longer mean anything. Anatomically speaking, we are born either "male" or "female". Although we may beleive that we are a part of the other gender, we CANNOT be. Two women cannot naturally reproduce just as two males cannot. Also, has it occurred to anyone that with this law there will no longer be seperate restrooms? Those wishing to take advantage of sharing a restroom with the other gender could lead to increased rape and crime. I know for me, if this law does not change, I may leave the state and seak my secondary education elsewhere. I would rather have my learning "suffer" than my life or the life of my family.

Dave wrote on Jan 4, 2008 6:24 AM:I don't think the article attacked anyone. It just pointed out the impossibility of implementing such a system. According to this law, biological males can declare themselves female and participate in female sports. They can use the female locker room to see the females. Potential abuses are hard to enumerate. The law of unintentional consequences grows strong when people act on emotion without reasoned thought.

School Teacher wrote on Jan 4, 2008 12:54 PM:I'm a public U.S. History teacher in Southern California. Anyone interested in "throwing the tea in the harbor" over this? Hell is at the gates of our schools. Let's fight, and hit the state where it hurts: STUDENTS, WITH THE SUPPORT OF PARENTS, SHOUD BOYCOT. It will bankrupt the state's educational system, since every it loses money for every student that is absent. I'm all for pulling students out. But I think sending a message to the rest of the state, and the country before doing so is far better. This will take organization. But it WILL WORK!!! Treat it exactly like a union strike. The ultimate whammy is during the STAR testing in May!!! GET THE NEWS INVOLVED: local, national, 60 Minutes, Newsweek.

Folks, this IS the Rubicon!! Time to cross. But before doing so, we need to do in an organized fashioned, and not as individuals!!! Please, don't act alone!!!!! This is huge.

Who is going to start the organization?

pineapplefish56 wrote on Jan 4, 2008 2:56 PM:So when are the schools going to give students separate restroom facilities for all the different "sexes"?
Or will all the students be forced to use any restroom available?

The parents who can not take their kids out of public school need to DEMAND separate restroom facilities.
Hit them in the pocket!
When the school administrators find that there is no end to how many separate restrooms they must construct, or build many "single use" facilities they might just back down.
They would also have to renovate (to smaller restroom cubicles) or abandon the current restroom facilities.

The same principle applies to 'gay friendly' business's.



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Defending the Boy Scouts.
Defending the Right, Against Abortion Wrongs.
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June wrote on Jan 4, 2008 4:00 PM:As a 30 yr educator in another state, teachers all over California should rise up in protest of this insanity. If disagreeing with the Gay/Lesbian agenda makes me a bigot, so be it. BUT, why is your disagreeing with my point of view perfectly ok? That it makes you discriminated against & misunderstood? The hypocrisy coming from your side of the argument is staggering. The way you live your lives is your business, but do not make it mine. I have no wish to see, hear,or know anything about it-or you.As for the governor, his actions are are more in keeping with the party of Nancy Pelosi than Ronald Reagan.

bluemangroup wrote on Jan 4, 2008 4:53 PM:so i hear its going to rain this weekend........

To far gone wrote on Jan 4, 2008 7:20 PM:The big earthquake can't come to soon and then California can slide off into the ocean.

Molly wrote on Jan 5, 2008 3:00 PM:This type of crazy new policy is, in part, the reason why so many are home-schooling these days! Why do extremists do everything in their power to defy what the majority of Americans want?

Don't forget... wrote on Jan 5, 2008 3:07 PM:How do you feel about little Suzie trying to use a urinal next to your son? Or fifth-grader Johnny hanging out in the girls room that your first grade daughter uses? This is not right. These students should use the school nurse's bathroom. Or get therapy.

virago wrote on Jan 13, 2008 2:32 AM:"Redifinition" of gender is not accurate at all. It is terribly irresponsible to think we have a "choice" in something as basic, innate & within our "core" make-up of who we are. Most of us do not. We are hard-wired to have an identity within our minds that may or may NOT concur with our physical attributes.

I think most people in the 21st century get it, but there are still those who believe there is a huge divide between the girls & the boys...its more like two extremes (such as black & white) & between them tones going from one to the other. Nature is diversity. Diversity is the law of the land. It has been since life began.

Our refusal to see it only makes it even truer in the face of our denial. Peace.

Totally Baffled???? wrote on Feb 25, 2008 11:42 AM:I have a 12 year old daughter. I wouldn't put her in a California public school where anybody can walk into the girl's locker room unchallenged. It wasn't that way before SB777. I think it is an open invitation for sex predators to hang out in the restrooms and rape young girls. It's just a matter of time before the predators figure it out.

I am sorry for people that have GID, and their needs should be accomodated, but not at the expense of everybody else. There has to be a better solution than this.

Totally Baffled Again???? wrote on Feb 25, 2008 1:26 PM:I looked over the comments from the people this SB777 law is supposed to benefit.

They seem to take satisfaction in bringing a personal inconvenience to the lives of everyone else. They want to make everyone else "know how it feels" just because they weren't treated well by their parents and peers for their gender issues. Instead of receiving sympathy, they will receive resentment for intruding on the lives of other people.

Our society has too much anxiety in it. Why should the public restroom be made dreadful?

This isn't just me speaking. There are other parents that feel the same way for their children.

Crystal wrote on Mar 20, 2008 6:45 PM:The tolerance crowd should start showing a little tolerance. I believe that a Christian child is more at risk of being beat up, bullied, or teased in a public school. Where are their protections? I have to ask myself why gay people are so interested in children in the public school system. How many of them are parents? I am a parent, or breeder, as I would be called by many gay folks. Not exactly feeling the love, but I digress. My children are the ones being targeted with this one sided positive portrayal of living gay. Should we take field trips to hospitals to show end stage AIDS patients in the interest of fairness and reality? I say we just dump this whole idea of a skewed curriculum and play nice. If someone is being bullied, send the offender to the principal's office and have the offender expelled. What's wrong with that? The whole idea of tolerance is ridiculous. In America, we can disagree about morality and not be destroyed because everyone doesn't agree. Respect, I think, is a better word.

Alena wrote on Jun 8, 2008 7:41 AM:There are two main sides to this "conversation" those who oppose gay rights and those who support equal opportunities for all.

Students should feel safe inside a school environment. They should be able to be who ever they are regardless of what others have to say. No one chooses to be gay or straight the same way no one chooses to be male or female. Yes, biologically we may be one thing but the psychological aspect also plays a role. All this law does is allow students to legally identify themselves as members of the LGBTQ community and it also allows them to identify their gender. For those of you who don't know this - gender and sexuality are two different things.

My father is a priest and I am a bisexual female. All my life I hear conflicting theories about who I am suppose to be. That in itself is the problem this law attempts to correct. The same way blacks were separated from whites and interacial dating was not allowed, homosexuals should not be separated from heterosexuals. For those of you who will take your children out of public schools, I want you to know that your child may still be gay or gender nonconforming - your child may simply be more depressed and suicidal than those children who have a support system in place for them.

Just because your children learn how to treat each other fairly and equally does not mean they will turn gay or become trans. You are so afraid of raising a child who is not "normal" why can't you just be happy that your child will be loved and accepted regardless of what others think? Is it so bad that my friends come from all different types of racial, ethinic, religious, cultural, and sexual bckgrounds? Is it so bad that I can have a conversation with a flamboyant male friend? Am I really a sinner for treating all my classmates like human-beings?

Furthermore, this has nothing to do with "indoctrination" of heterosexual students. No one can be turned gay or straight, and there is no such thing as an ex-gay person. If I decide to settle down some day with another female and we decide to have kids we could always ask our homosexual male friends for sperm donations. There are many children out there who have no parents who need love and financial stability - we could give it to them. What would you say about people who are infertile, are they going to burn in hell too?

Furthermore, being gay is not a disease nor is it abnormal. What is abnormal and unnatural is the inability to love.

Stop judging people - you are not God. Stop teaching your children how to hate each other. Don't forget the golden rule, "Do onto others as you would have them do onto you."

tom wrote on Sep 25, 2008 2:11 PM:Thank you guy for not stopping this thing happen. this is sick.