matt wrote on Jan 3, 2008 11:57 PM:meadowview is no where close to french valley...what are these snobs whining about??

Did you know wrote on Jan 4, 2008 11:33 AM:that Murrieta, Temecula, and others met months back to support having larger jets and more flights into the French Valley Airport?

Billie Blanchard of the ISO told us in 2002 that when the 2nd new Corridor Road was selected, the ISO would place their desired number of 500 kV high voltage transmission lines upon that corridor of the RCIP Transporation Aerial Ciruclation.
When the electrical high voltage transmission lines are placed throughout our valleys on the new 2nd corridor road way which is a Federal Interstate Expressway from Banning/Beaumont off ramp down Lambs Canyon, through Hemet and San Jacinto, then along Washington....and somehow gets over to Anza Rd. and through the hills of Temecula...and maybe homes, the present take off and landing routes of the French Valley will have to probably be changed.

Dear Matt wrote on Jan 4, 2008 12:39 PM:a LOT of private individuals use the valley air as low flying enthusiasts.
You need to read up on air flight circulation planning. And, you need to understand that with bad weather, larger jets, high winds, Santa Ana Wind reversals, etc. that jet flying patterns may mandate the changing of their take-off and landing patterns and stack up circling flight routes.
After viewing the fuel dumping out of the air planes landing and taking off in San Diego I "DEFINATELY" understand the meadowview residents' concerns.
We live in a boxed air basin in the Temecula Valley. To the North there's the LA Basin Air. To the South there's the San Diego Basin Air up to Mt. Palomar. From the West we have the 22 miles of Ocean Air from the beaches. BUT, TO THE EAST, WE HAVE MOUNTAIN RANGES OF SAN JACINTO, ETC. THAT BACK UP THE AIR AND THE SANTA ANA WIND CONDITIONS AS WELL.
VISUALIZE IN 20 YEARS WHEN THE 100,000 ADDITIONAL CARS TRAVEL THROUGH THE VALLIES ARE COMING DOWN THE NEW INTERSTATE.
VISUALIZE THE LEVEL 6 HOT SPOT CARBON MONOXIDE LEVELS LAYING ON ALL OF THE LOW LAYING AREAS, AS IS DISCRIBED AS AN EIR CONCERN OF HIGHER DENSITY. This is found in print. Where? GROWTH WITHIN THE NEXT 20 YEAR FORECASTING OF THE CITY OF TEMECULA 2005 PLANNER DOCUMENT REPORT of what OUR CITY/UNINCORPORATED AREAS AND COUNTY will be.
jUST tHINK...
2 mILLION PEOPLE...DRIVING here and FLYING. Perhaps you never watched LA or Long Beach or Sand Diego or Burbank small private airports...GROW.

Meadowview Snob wrote on Jan 4, 2008 12:41 PM:The thing that concerns all us snobs here in Meadowview, Matt, is that there has been an increasing number of flights flying over our community on a daily basis. A real treat is when the pilots practice their flight maneuvers over our rooftops over and over again all day long. If that makes us whiners than so be it. We paid a lot of money to be able to live where we do and when our very property value threatens to be diminished by the increasing noise then we tend to get nervous. Wouldn't you do the same, Matt? By the way, you should drive through Meadowview sometime. While there are many exclusive homes in our neighborhood, there are also 30 year old homes in desperate need of rehabbing because the same people have lived in them since the '70's. We are not that exclusive. And we are not that snobby. We just don't want our peace and quiet to be messed with.

To Did You Know wrote on Jan 5, 2008 2:47 AM:You obviously don't know much. First, there has been no such meeting between Murrieta and Temecula about larger aircraft at French Valley so stop trying to scare people. The FAA knows the runway is too thin and can't support larger aircraft. Second, the Independent System Operator (ISO) doesn't build power lines, so that's another crazy statement. To "Dear Matt" At complete build-out, Temecula will be about 110,000 people so I have no idea where you're getting those ridiculous numbers. Somebody's been inhaling too much aircraft exhaust...

Just Curious wrote on Jan 5, 2008 8:20 AM:How many people in Meadowview bought their homes knowing that the planes from the airport flew over them. Isn't that something they have to tell you before you buy a house. Don't complain becuase you bought next to a busy street, fire house, or in a flight pattern.

Joe wrote on Jan 6, 2008 9:44 AM:I live im meadowview. I dont hear no planes. What do u mean snobs I live in a half acre of weeds. with no gas what do I have to be snoby about.

March 4, 2004 wrote on Jan 7, 2008 12:12 PM:this was printed. French Valley Airport could draw business to Menifee

By: KELLY BRUSCH - Staff Writer

SUN CITY ---- Menifee business and community leaders agreed Wednesday the unincorporated area needs commercial projects if the valley ever hopes to become a city, and they believe that French Valley Airport could be an important asset in luring such businesses.

With plans for a 1,000-foot runway extension, additional hangars and its corporate appeal, French Valley Airport has become a dynamic force in this small community, county officials say.

Rob Fields, aviation division supervisor with the Riverside County Economic Development Agency, said the airport has the potential to attract industry to the Menifee Valley.


"A lot of businesses are not flying through big airports ---- it takes too long," Fields said at an informal meeting of the Menifee/Sun City Chamber of Commerce.

The meeting, held at the Sun City Family Restaurant, was an opportunity for Fields to update chamber members on the airport's future impact to the valley.

French Valley Airport, with nearly 300 private and corporate-owned aircraft based there, has become the busiest of the county's six airports, with 100,000 flights per year, even though it lacks and has no plans for commuter air service. As the airport grows and expands, so will its business appeal, he said.

Julie Johnson, chamber president, said the valley needs commercial development to establish a strong revenue base in a community comprised mainly of housing developments. A group of residents in the valley are working to make the area a city, but the plan hinges on the community's ability to survive economically.

"(French Valley Airport) will attract corporate businesses to Menifee, which is what we're sorely lacking," Johnson said.

Darci Castillejos, owner of the French Valley Cafe, said after the meeting that the airport could be an important marketing tool in promoting business development.

Fields also outlined what new developments are coming to the airport, including the Temecula Valley Tennis Club, and an industrial building with a fitness center. The tennis center will include 15 tennis courts and a clubhouse, he said.

The runway is being expanded for safety purposes, and will bring the airport up to minimum standards recognized by the industry, he said. The summer heat decreases the air's density, making it harder for pilots to take off with the limited runway distance.

The Federal Aviation Administration has already spent $4 million to buy the land for the expansion and build fencing and a dirt road skirting the extended runway. The county is responsible for paying 10 percent of the remaining approximately $3 million. The project is expected to be complete within the year, Fields said.

From Did You Know wrote on Jan 7, 2008 12:22 PM:The County Meeting "where" Temecula, Murrieta and other cities and interested citizens attended was for reviewing the future of the French Airport. This newspaper published the article in 2007.
Billie C. Blanchard was the Chairperson assigned by the CPUC to over see the hearings of the 500kV lines. The California Public Utilities Commission (CPUC) acts as the Lead Agency under the California Environmental Quality Act...AND the Bureau of Land Management acts as the Lead Agency under NEPA. Billie C. Blanchard's name is also on the Sunrise Powerlink Transmission Line Project proposed by SDG & E for a new 91-mile project from the Imperial Valley.
And, yes, the 500kV lines will be placed on the new Federal Interstate Corridor between the 10 Freeway by Beaumont to the 15 Freeway. The Federal Dept. of Transportation has the right to place the lines on a corridor transportation roadway.

April 3, 2007 wrote on Jan 7, 2008 12:33 PM:this was printed in this newspaper: French Valley Airport has been in operation for 16 years and approximately 105,000 takeoffs and landings take place there each year. In a meeting last week, the mayors of Temecula and Murrieta opened a discussion on expanding operations at the airport that now serves primarily private and corporate planes.


Temecula Mayor Chuck Washington said that, as the population of Southwest County continues to climb, the area may be primed for regional jet service to connect passengers to major airports in Ontario, San Diego, Los Angeles, Salt Lake City, Las Vegas or Phoenix.

"This could be a tool in our belt that would serve economic development of the region," Washington said Monday. "There are a lot more dollars in tourism available if we can take care of one of the chief complaints we hear from visitors: It's difficult to get here.

"Not only that, we hear concerns from our corporate community members, who have trouble getting their people in and out of the area to conduct business."

Murrieta Mayor Doug McAllister said the intent is not to build an international, high volume airport in French Valley, but to create a new route into the region that could help foster economic development of Murrieta. He said the two cities could join forces to lobby for commercial service at the airport.

"When we say 'commercial service,' we mean passenger service ---- not an air bus," McAllister said Monday. "This is a form of economic development that continues beyond the building out of a city. A viable airport is critical to keeping the 'twin cities' open to prospective businesses and nurturing existing ones."

McAllister said the need for commercial flights is compounded by congestion on Interstates 15 and 215.

"With our freeway situation, even getting to Ontario can be iffy," he said. "Having this airport in our backyard and not using it as a tool doesn't make sense."

The airport, which is located just beyond the borders of the two cities, is operated by the Riverside County Economic Development Agency.

Agency Deputy Director Colby Cataldi said bringing commercial service to French Valley Airport won't happen overnight. He said the airport would have to seek a different Federal Aviation Administration license for passenger traffic and the airport would have to comply with federal security guidelines, which would change the nature of the airport.

In addition, he questioned if it would be cost-effective to have small connection flights since the airport cannot support larger, heavier commercial planes. The airport's runway can accommodate planes up to the size of a Gulfstream II, a small corporate jet.

"Some people might find it is not affordable," Cataldi said. "The smaller the jet, the fewer the passengers, the higher the rates."

Washington, who worked in the aviation industry for 30 years and is a retired captain for Delta Airlines, said commercial service could begin slowly at French Valley with three or five flights a week and those planes could operate relatively quietly. He compared French Valley Airport to similarly sized facilities in Carlsbad and Santa Barbara that have thrived with connection services.

And as for the changes to the airport that would allow it to function as a commercial operation, Washington suggested "better fencing, controlled entry and exit points, and beefed up weight capacity of the runway. It can be done."

Cataldi said there could be an opportunity for the county to reassess the airport as the county Board of Supervisors decides whether to go forward with a French Valley Airport Master Plan within the next month. The master plan would help to determine if a second runway is needed, if an air traffic control tower should be built and if commercial service can be supported.

Airplane Fuel Dumping Onto Your Homes wrote on Jan 7, 2008 3:45 PM:Is not the best to breathe.
Our valley in 20 years will be able to see their sky lines with only brief rain storms and winds blowing out the carbon monoxide.
The 20 year revised County of Riversdie Integrated Plan (RCIP) plans for the Southwest portion of the county to be 2 million persons.
Car pollution per home is figured as 9 trips per day per home.
Whow: 9 times 2,000,000 equals 18,000,000 car trips per day plus trucks and buses. Buy your oxygen masks now to save money later.

How big is the airport? wrote on Jan 7, 2008 4:05 PM:In 2004 it had a single, 4,600-foot long runway which, as of the December
2004 adoption date of that plan, is being extended southward. It in 2004 will have a length of 6,000 feet.
The current airport master plan of 2004 calls for adding a 3,600-foot parallel runway on the east. Acquisition of additional land will be required for the parallel runway in 2004.
Pavement Strength (main landing gear configuration is 30,000 lbs (single wheel)
Just a thought: It is not that difficult to rip out asphalt, compact and put in jet commerical landing ability.

To the Writer to Did You Know wrote on Jan 8, 2008 11:20 AM:When you read the newspaper and remember past facts, you can use the Archives of the Californian to gather all of the facts.
After reading past news articles about the interests of the City of Murrieta and Temecula's future thoughts of expansion/annexation, their web's of interest touch us ALL.
The Meadowview Residents have learned in the past 30 plus years to go on public record, follow all meetings of planning and the newspapers.
High Density future growth now finds their existence of a zoned planned and maintained community linked to a rural settingto be a nuisance and an obsticle constantly in future high density development.
Keep watching their plans...Meadowview in order to protect yourselves. Los Ranchitos did not watch the "smiling ones" together and closely. Now, their zoned rural deeded properties are gutted and an expressway for newer High Density Development.

The Miszoned Areas on the Map wrote on Jan 8, 2008 11:26 AM:Might be from the County Supervisors' and City of Temecula's Future Wish Lists of what High Density would do with the left open areas that don't have 4000 square foot lots for high density

Fuel Dumping? wrote on Jan 12, 2008 11:14 PM:There are about 6 types of planes in the world that can "dump" fuel, and not one of them can land at French Valley and none of them are used at Lindbergh Field. Furthermore, they can't dump over populated areas or below 12,000-feet. Go away with your fiction.

Dear Fuel Dumping wrote on Feb 20, 2008 3:33 PM:As planes land and take off their fuel exhaust dumps down and on wind currents all that is around an airport and its flight patterns.
Guess dumping your fuel exhaust is not really fuel dumping; but on a clear or smogy day near San Diego or Ontario Airports sky lines, the planes look like a trail of black fuel is dumping out of their tails.