Super wrote on Feb 15, 2008 4:54 AM:What a bunch of idiots. You know once they build it these people will be in there shopping. Go Wal-Mart, make it a Super Wal-Mart.

local wrote on Feb 15, 2008 5:08 AM:Dear Wal Mart: Please come to East Valley Pkwy in Escondido. We need you, we want you.

Tuck wrote on Feb 15, 2008 7:03 AM:When is the next protest?

C-bad believer wrote on Feb 15, 2008 7:27 AM:Fine, allow Wal-Mart to garner more profit by externalizing their traffic, lighting, noise, and other related impacts with feeble mitigation. This is a dumbing down of our community by allowing a global corporate dynasty to displace small businesses/jobs, while exacting out our community 'riches' into a centralized bank account. A company that finds itself superior to our needs, while selling us inferior goods made by marginalized peoples. It's not that we don't want a store such as Walmart, it's just that we're educated enough to know that this particular company is more interested in accumulation of profit over the needs of a community.

Olaf wrote on Feb 15, 2008 8:49 AM:You go C-Bad Believer. ... If we as society stop the madness of buying from these people they will not dominate your politics and lives.

To all those that think they will bring tax dollars to your city, think again. ...They will pull in workers from out of the area because who works there and lives in C-Bad? They will promise you an upsacale place and then switch it with a box. Look across the US and see where this has happened before.... So watch out C-Bad it will get ugly and they have lots of money thanks to the low income, need my box of doughnuts for 99 cents crowd.

Susan wrote on Feb 15, 2008 9:50 AM:There are 3 Walmarts within a five mile radius of this location. Maybe these people would like to have a variety of stores. If you look at the area you will see this area is in need of a grocery store and a gas station. NOT A WALMART!

Richard wrote on Feb 15, 2008 9:53 AM:How many Wal-Marts do we need? We already have 3 in Oceanside and another in Vista. Is this too far for a Carlsbad resident to drive? I have to drive to Carlsbad to go to Smart & Final or Marshalls. Come on Wal-Mart give us a break. Build your store in Encinitas or Western San Marcos. Carlsbad obviously doesn't love you like it does the Dollar Tree.

Lance wrote on Feb 15, 2008 9:58 AM:I hope this goes to a vote for Carlsbad residents because we will surely strike it down. Walmart sucks. I never have, and never will shop there.

Linda wrote on Feb 15, 2008 10:05 AM:Yes, Walmart, build next to Super and local. They want you, we don't. They will shop there, we won't. You don't, and won't, fit in. What the heck are the city officials thinking to even conside putting in a Walmart?

George wrote on Feb 15, 2008 10:06 AM:It takes a Walmart to destroy a village- this will be the death knell for the village of Carlsbad as we know it. Throughout this country Walmart has built on the fringe of a viable small downtown business district and destoyed it.

Tax Rebate Heaven wrote on Feb 15, 2008 10:21 AM:I moved to Southern California because of all of the great shopping experiences it has to offer. It's almost like a sport here. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a Super Duper Walmart.

Nutz wrote on Feb 15, 2008 10:28 AM:Just admit it all you... in Carlsbad, you don't want a Wal-Mart built in your town because you don't want to risk "those type of people" in your squeaky clean city. The type of folks that rely on the Wal Mart for the prices of their products are good enough to mow your lawns or clean your houses but don't give them any reason to set foot in your beautiful beach community to shop. Hypocrites!

linda wrote on Feb 15, 2008 10:30 AM:Good Tax Rebate Heaven. Why don't you join Super and local and petition for Walmart to be built next to you? Walmart has already stated they are targeting people who live in the cities of Del Mar, Solana Beach and Encinitas to shop in this proposed Walmart, because they already have You three shopping in their other Walmarts. Hmmmm....wonder why Del Mar, Solana Beach and Encinitas won't let Walmarts build in their fair cities?

Hmmm... wrote on Feb 15, 2008 10:32 AM:DEAL WITH IT!!! IT'S CALLED PROGRESS!!!

Oh no you don't!!! wrote on Feb 15, 2008 10:37 AM:DON'T EVEN THINK OF BRINGING YOUR WALLY WORLD TRASH CUSTOMERS TO MY NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S BEST WHEN THEY COME AND MOW MY LAWN CLEAN MY BATHROOM AND CARE FOR MY KIDS BUT GET THEIR COLLECTIVE MASSES OUT BY SUNSET!!! ...

Yep wrote on Feb 15, 2008 10:39 AM:Hmmmmmmm...sounds like a Wal-Mart kinda guy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Lance wrote on Feb 15, 2008 10:48 AM:You people and your caps lock key. I bet you don't even live in Carlsbad. If you did, you'd realize that there is a Walmart already on the same road a couple of miles up the hill. It's stupid that they have stores on every other exit off the 78. Sycamore, College, Jefferson... enough is enough. They cause traffic congestion and that is fact. People use El Camino to avoid the 5, and this particular Walmart location would kill that.

Tuck wrote on Feb 15, 2008 11:30 AM:Has our society has degenerated to the point where we view Wal-Mart as progress? Any council member who approves this project will be done.

DA wrote on Feb 15, 2008 11:31 AM:It is easy to call people names and think we are idiots. The bottom line is that we do not need another Wal-Mart or any other large box store in a residential area that is already congested with traffic. This is not an attack on the people who shop and work at Wal-Mart. This is more about what makes sense in this neighborhood. We do not have the roads and infrastructure to support this monstrosity! Keep us off the roads by giving us a small shopping center with groceries, filling station and a pharmacy, with out having to go half across town. Please read a little more about this issue before you start calling us names. We are just trying to do the best for our families and our town.

Lance you said it wrote on Feb 15, 2008 11:54 AM:the correct term you used is "MILES" Miles and miles up the hill and away from our upstanding children who have good schools and better upbringing that the chattle of thoes near the WAL-MARTville's Why else do you think we'd be out in the worst rain and cold to defeat this decision!!!

Olaf wrote on Feb 15, 2008 1:14 PM:C-bad does not need the junk that is sold at Wal Mart. It is cheap lead toys and goods from China. Our dollar goes straight through the wally world bank to China and their economy. Start helping our economy and buy from locals. Who will work there too? Nobody from C-Bad. More traffic into an already crowded small town. Who buys from them??? not many as it sounds from this post from C-Bad. So stop the Wally world express and just say no.

Unbelievable wrote on Feb 15, 2008 1:15 PM:If I want a WalMart close to me I would have moved to Oceanside or Vista. If the people who move my lawn and clean my bathroom want to go a WalMart then put one in their neighborhood. Until they pay our home prices,our taxes and perform our jobs i think they should refrain from an issue that does not involve them.

Lance wrote on Feb 15, 2008 2:12 PM:Listen to DA, he/she is correct. This isn't a class battle, but rather a traffic battle. It's literally 2.8 miles to the next Walmart. That's ridiculous!

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linda wrote on Feb 15, 2008 3:08 PM:I don't live right there, but I live in Carlsbad and I absolutely do not want a Wal-Mart in my city. People throughout Carlsbad better get involved to defeat this, because it could be next to you the next time they want to build. They certainly like to put them close together.

Carlsbad Resident wrote on Feb 15, 2008 3:25 PM:I have to admit that along with WalMart comes a sterotype. However, you cannot deny the fact that WalMart brings an eyesore to a community. If anyone can provide an example that proves me wrong, I would like to hear about it. I'm not a fan of WalMart for the reason that the few that I've been to have parking lots and surronding areas littered with trash and shopping carts. The city of Carlsbad has an excellent growth management plan and well planned communities that drove me to becoming a resident. I feel that WalMart simply does not fit the community and if residents want to shop at a WalMart, there is one a few miles away.

Fred wrote on Feb 15, 2008 3:31 PM:What's the difference between an "upscale" Walmart and Costco. I don't hear anyone complaining about the Costco a couple of miles down the road (in Carlsbad).

Grace wrote on Feb 15, 2008 3:39 PM:Costco is very close to the freeway (which helps with traffic congestion)and is not surrounded by residential homes. There is a big differnce here, and to be honest, you do not see dirty parking lots and carts everywhere at Costco.

Resident wrote on Feb 15, 2008 5:04 PM:To Fred: I rather shop at Costco. You need a membership to shop there, and the store doesn't bring undesirables to the area. The traffic might be bad at times, but at least it's not in a residential area. If Walmat is built, just imagine what it will be like during the Christmas season; they stay open 24 hrs during this time.

Grace wrote on Feb 15, 2008 6:07 PM:Go by that area during rush hour (3-5 in the evenings). As it is now, it is very conjested -- there have been many accidents with people trying to veer around the traffic. People get off the 5 and take College to El Camino to College again to get to parts of Oceanside, Vista and Escondido. It will be a nightmare for them, as well. Poor people trying to get to work from those areas in the morning or home at night.

Stephen wrote on Feb 15, 2008 6:50 PM:To Unbelievable: You should learn how to spell. They don't move your lawn, they mow it ...

resident wrote on Feb 15, 2008 7:00 PM:You people in Carlsbad are the most self-centered, NIMBY people I've ever met! Your idea of "entitlement" is unbelievable. I bet most of you are more than willing to go to Oceanside and Vista to shop but heaven forbid, build something of value in your town. That's what you are - a small town with a small town mentality. Just look at Mayor Bud Lewis - ... who decides what will and what won't pass through Carlsbad. I hope they build a Walmart, a Kmart, another Costco, and every other conceivable big box there. You so deserve it. ...

Angie wrote on Feb 15, 2008 7:07 PM:A residential area, a creek, open protected wildlife area, a horse stable and a #4 Wal Mart? What is wrong with this picture? Why on earth would anyone even consider approving such a plan? I guess the mighty dollar may play a role here!

Re; Stephen... wrote on Feb 15, 2008 8:22 PM:Dude, these people are frantic about saving their neighborhoods from the worlds sleaziest predator and all you can do is flip-out over a 'typo'? Get a freakin life!

To wrote on Feb 15, 2008 8:31 PM:Let me guess, your home probably isn't far from the same creek, horse stable and wildlife area? Maybe you need to spend less time on the computer writing your "oh whoa is me" blogs and attend council meetings to convince the city to change the zoning of this land. Of course then all you fine Carlsbad residents will complain regarding the lawsuit you will be hit with by WalMart to recover their lost revenue.

Shanna wrote on Feb 15, 2008 9:12 PM:Oh brother! People who live in tract homes where I used to ride horses don't want a Wal-Mart. Suck it up! I liked it when YOUR neighborhood was MY open space.

Karl wrote on Feb 15, 2008 10:44 PM:Good one Shanna. Let's see if you get a responce form the NIMBYS. I bet not.

whoa wrote on Feb 16, 2008 8:02 AM:Hey Shanna. I liked it when I was able to ride in YOUR neighborhood, when there was open space there and YOU didn't live there. What's up with people who are so concerned about things that have nothing to do with them?

Re: Shanna... wrote on Feb 16, 2008 12:44 PM:Shanna & Karl, how old are the 'non-tract' homes you live in? Unless Adam & Eve lived in them first, you have absolutely no footing to get pious on this matter. We ALL now live on someone else's old horse riding grounds. The fact of the matter is, that this and every other open piece of land in Carlsbad, is going to be built on soon. The question is, do we want the best possible business's as neighbors, or should we wish the worst possible scenario, to spite these cretin 'tract-house' owners?

most of you wrote on Feb 16, 2008 2:56 PM:need to check with the city what can and can not be built there. I called and they said that Wal-Mart did this with out even notifying the city or whether the thing can go there. The city has a big box zoning restriction and they will have to jump through the hoops. With that said make sure you contact your council members and tell them where you stand. The election should be interesting this year with WalMart backing some of the contenders.

Karl and Shanna: You are using the Nimby thing wrong... it would seem that NIMBY's are people who get something and then don't want anyone else to move in and get it. IE track homes being built and then them not wanting anymore track homes to be built. Plus C-Bad has the most dedicated open space in the county. They have had a growth plan sine the 80's so what evr you think will be paved over has been planed since then. It does have a cap on housing and commercial. Go to city hall once in a while and learn about your city. It is easy.

Lance wrote on Feb 16, 2008 3:48 PM:Shanna and Karl: I hope they build a nuclear waste dump near your homes. You deserve it. All in the name of progress right?

StevieB wrote on Feb 16, 2008 6:33 PM:To all the Shanna's & Karl's of the world, you'll be affectionately known as "YITBY"s(Yes, In 'Their' Backyard) from here on out...

Re: Lance wrote on Feb 16, 2008 7:15 PM:Lance, the ironic thing is that I'd rather have a nuclear power plant move in next to my house, than a Wal-Mart...The plant would have much less traffic, noise, rapes, robberies, assaults, kidnappings, graffiti, murders, trash and yes, it would have 'less' pollution than a Wal-Mart.

Help wrote on Feb 17, 2008 2:01 PM:For those of you who do not want to see a Walmart in our beautiful city, please join the fight to stop it. They have much more money than most of us, but hopefully, we will have the numbers to fight them. Remember, election year is coming up, so we must let the council members know how we feel.

Super wrote on Feb 19, 2008 5:54 AM:where do we go if we want this Super W-Mart in good old Carlsbad?

Re: Super... wrote on Feb 19, 2008 11:07 AM:Go to oceanside, vista and San marcos...there you can OD on all the wal-mart's you can stomach!

Olaf wrote on Feb 19, 2008 1:22 PM:And Super you can directly mail your money right to China's economy. When you buy something from another country your only helping them. But why help out US people? just keep enjoying your cheap made products from China.

Super wrote on Feb 19, 2008 3:31 PM:Go Supe Wal-Mart, keep them coming.

Kevin wrote on Feb 25, 2008 12:15 PM:I'm not going to debate the merits of a Walmart anchoring three other stores in an approved site with appropriate design elements, as that seems to be within th original intent, and we have a good planning department here in Carlsbad, with a very capable Council, that has long proven itself wise fiscally and otherwise. Thats the reason people flock to Carlsbad to live and work.

I understand the concerns of those at the HOA, and applaud their passion, but my only advice is please - keep it real.

Don't roll out the tired old argument "I didn't know the evil developers were going to build the (shopping center, school, playground, airport, ____) when I bought my home".

When you buy a house, you go to down to the planning department and read the plans for the area. The Growth Plan for Carlsbad has been in place for 20 years.

Sales taxes pay for the costs of buying, maintaining, and patrolling open space, parks, trails, recreational facilities like pools, community centers, streets, sewers, water,etc, along with the fine staff and services provided by the local city.

Those things are not cheap and the purchases that would otherwise go to Oceanside or Vista dont benefit Carlsbad unless those purchases are made inside the city limits.

I'm not wild about having the required number of low cost housing units in my neighborhood, and the higher crime rate that comes with it, but we all have to share.

I'm not wild about having a busier street in my neighborhood, but I understand commuters from outside Carlsbad have to get to and from work too.

I find it disturbing that a group that lists its mission as preserving open space is involved in what is strictly a commercial matter already well regulated by law and local planning zoning and process, which in Carlsbad is widely regarded by those in the know as national best practices examples.

There is a fine line between lobbying activity and political propaganda that some might consider liable to trigger the IRS guidelines and revocation of non-taxable status.

I'd hate to see an organization that has worked hard to do good in something as complicated as open space conservation lose its focus by straying into what is clearly not in its core competence, or mission statement.

Thats another example where trading the good will and the related good names of those members and partners who support the original intent, are thereby used without permission, and compromised.

Another example how the environmental movement has strayed far from its original intent. At a well known conference a couple of years ago, two researchers found evidence of alienation and non-interest, particularly by younger citizens, for these kinds of tactics, with the net result that many regard the very word, "environmentalist" as a negative.

Just my two cents.