Escondeeter wrote on Mar 1, 2008 11:29 PM:It'll take hundreds of lines to correct all of the inaccuracies in the above story, so I'll leave that to other posters. I can't help but muse, though, about the hypocrisy of those who claim to represent the immigrant community but are supporting keeping the very criminals who are victimizing that community out of jail. Somehow I think the Latino residents who've been robbed, stolen from, or attacked by these clowns aren't particularly interested in giving them a free pass to do it all again. Just another clear example of how leftists, professed champions of the 'little guy', are perfectly willing to the let the little guy suffer if it helps them pursue their political agenda.

ESCONDIDO POLICE "MOST WANTED" wrote on Mar 1, 2008 11:59 PM:http://www.ci.escondido.ca.us/POLICE/news/wanted/index.html-

View Finder wrote on Mar 2, 2008 12:27 AM:Go Esco! I like what I'm seeing, now let's take it up a notch or two. Regarding this statement by Consuelo Martinez: ""It's what scares people into thinking that they are collaborating with immigration," said Martinez." I certainly hope our local police department collaborates with Federal Immigration Departments, as well as the FBI and Homeland Security where appropriate! What happens when someone robs a bank? The local police are notified as well as the FBI. With any luck at all the local police will have some information to give to the FBI so the FBI can properly conduct its investigation. Is that unfair to bank robbers? Martinez's statement really scares me because it reeks of emotionalism with nary a shred of logic. Keep it up Escondido, keep it up!

Ray wrote on Mar 2, 2008 12:51 AM:I see Eddie is up to his usual slant. First of all just because someone is Hispanic does not mean they agree with illegal immigration, only a follish person would assume that. Many law abiding people of Hispanic heritage, a good portion of the residents of Escondido agree with the police efforts. The police have the right to arrest people with outstanding warrants, even illegal aliens and as long as they are under the supervision of federal authorities, I see no problem with their actions. Crime is crime, the law is the law, a really simple concept even a child knows.

let's work together! wrote on Mar 2, 2008 1:13 AM:Chief Maher endorsed by the Minutemen! what a concept. I think the politicts on this city are dividing us more than ever. good things like this are making everybody look bad just because the intolerant agenda of Gallo and Abed. I hope the Chief is more careful on how he handle the presure of the politicians; they don't care about our community ,only on the power and re-election. I hope the Hispanic community understand that the people that was arrested was people that make our community look bad. Jeff this city doesn't need you around here, you have a lot more problems in your organisation to be getting in places that no body wants you. I wonder how you make a living Jeff if you don't have a job; I'm going to take advantage of this to ask you to re-educate the members of your group, can you send them to anger management or at least bring them with leashes when they come to Escondido? thanks.

Syl wrote on Mar 2, 2008 1:22 AM:WILL SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS STATEMENT

"already fragile relationship with the Latino community."

Are we talking about Americans or Illegal Aliens? Where Latinos make up about 40 percent of the population. Is that like saying 40% of Escondido is made up of Illegal Aliens?-

ESCONDIDO CRIMINAL ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT SWEEP THE FIRST OF ITS KIND wrote on Mar 2, 2008 1:29 AM:With the exception of raoul and roberto the comments are overwhelmingly in favor of sweeping criminal illegal aliens off the street. Let's keep up the good work Escondido. There are plenty more.

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2008/02/23/news/top_stories/24_49_252_22_08.txt

Skip wrote on Mar 2, 2008 1:51 AM:These actions are way overdue. One only needs to look at the "Most Wanted" section for the San Diego Sheriff's and the Escondido Police Department's web site for why this needs to be done. For that matter you can also see a trend for just about any police "Most Wanted" List in Southern California.

MVet wrote on Mar 2, 2008 1:53 AM:The Chinese comprise the second largest group of Illegal Immigrants in America. You do not see them marching in the streets or committing a lot of crime. They keep a low profile because for one thing, they know if they ever did get deported, that they will probably never return.-

Escondodo wrote on Mar 2, 2008 3:31 AM:I'm sure that the NCT will give space to El Grupo and the other illegal apologists to persuade us that no distinctions should be made between legal and illegal and criminal and non-criminal. Aiding and abetting should not be considered if someones's feelings might be hurt. Public safety is not enough of a reason to upset business as usual in the illegal segments of our community. How do you say 'no we can't' in Spanish?

Herb: wrote on Mar 2, 2008 6:47 AM: This situation is a matter of right and wrong, as most cases of law are. It is wrong for illegals to be here. It is wrong to hire them. It is wrong to abuse them. It is wrong, the subject being illegals, for the cities, state, and federal government to not cooperate on the issue, etc. It was wrong, very wrong, for our law enforcement to let the situation get so out of control. It is right when attempts are made to correct the situation. It is not wrong for me to be tired of congress dragging their feet in correcting the situation. And I am very tired of my tax dollars being paid out as charity to support and sustain illegals. It is wrong for our governments to use our money and resources to sustain illegals on one hand, and on the other resist and show attempts at correcting the situation. It is a no-win struggle internally within our government. The only winners in that struggle is the wrongful illegals. The losers are the USA citizens. I do not want to hear any more rhetoric and excuses about it - just fix it! Don't hold your breath considering past performance.

El Grupo of Two wrote on Mar 2, 2008 7:09 AM:Bill and Consuelo are the only two members of the community with an opinion on this matter? The controversy is that the Escondido PD failed to do these sweeps earlier. Criminal Mexicans do not have a civil right to invade this country at their pleasure, and the EPD is not powerless to track down felons and turn them over to the Feds.

Jeff wrote on Mar 2, 2008 7:12 AM:I think EPD got this one right.

GREAT wrote on Mar 2, 2008 7:28 AM:Thank you Escondido Police Department!

A concerned citizen wrote on Mar 2, 2008 7:40 AM:When is California going inact a law like Arizona has that takes the business license away from employers that hire illegal aliens?? It's working in Arizona! The illegals are leaving Arizona and coming to California and a few are even going back to Mexico. Let's get this same law in California as soon as possible. That will cure a lot of our problems.-

ylekiote wrote on Mar 2, 2008 7:47 AM:Didn't the NCT have an article about this last week? Last week when the event was fresh? Is there anything new in this article or is the NCT just trying to stir the pot again and make the news, not just report the news. Seems the overwhelming number of readers have spoken and say this event was a good thing.

Esteban wrote on Mar 2, 2008 7:57 AM: I see nothing wrong in rounding up those who have been previuosly convicted of crimes in the U.S., and after serving their sentences, being deported, then coming back into the U.S. illegally again to hide amongst the Latino populace in attempt to blend back in and go back to breaking our laws. If the Latino community is afraid of the crack down by local law enforcement, then they shouldn't tolerate these criminals to be in their community.

Jason wrote on Mar 2, 2008 8:57 AM:Whats wrong with wanting to arrest and deport rapists and robbers? I say good job EPD. Esteban is right why does the Latino community have a problem with this, they should be glad the police are getting rid of CRIMINALS who rape and rob their own peoples.-

William wrote on Mar 2, 2008 9:03 AM:The US Constitution and laws made pursuant to it, such making illegal entry of the US a federal misdemeanor for the first violation and felony for repeated ones (8 U.S.C. 1325) are the supreme law of the land. While state and local police may not have a duty to apprehend criminal immigration violators, they have every right to uphold a federal statute unless that statute forbids them to enforce it and every right to arrest and turn over to federal authorities those found in violation. If persons have violated state or local criminal laws, state and local police have a duty to seek them out and arrest them and if upon arrest the person is also found to have violated a federal law, to notify federal officials and turn the person over to them for prosecution. Immigration advocacy groups do their constituency a disservice when they act so vocally in defense of criminals.

westside wrote on Mar 2, 2008 9:04 AM:I think that Latinos want to live in a safe neighborhood just as much as any other race. Besides coming here for jobs, they come here for a better quality of life.

Daren wrote on Mar 2, 2008 9:10 AM:Every criminal illegal is already guilty of a crime the very second they enter this country without permission. Therefore, every criminal illegal in this country should be rounded up, finger-printed and deported.

Al wrote on Mar 2, 2008 9:12 AM:Great job Esco PD! One by one, let's clean-up this town of criminals, ILLEGAL's and street walkers. I don't give a crap about El Grupo(the Racists) say, this is the RIGHT thing to do. Period.

BankShot wrote on Mar 2, 2008 10:20 AM:It is not a crime to enforce the law. It is not a crime to enforce the law. It is not a crime to enforce the law.

Born Here 46 wrote on Mar 2, 2008 10:49 AM:Proud of Esco PD,keep up the good work and will continue to back you a 100%. Ditto to BankShot's quote!

Marco wrote on Mar 2, 2008 11:15 AM:So let me see if I get this right- Illegals are frightened when they see Border Patrol vehicles in their neighborhood. Shouldn't they be?

They have broken a federal law! If they weren't law breakers they wouldn't be frightened. So, is it our fault they are frightened? Should we not have Border Patrol agents in a area that is full of illegal aliens(law breakers)?

When I obey the speed limit, I have a nice peaceful drive but apparently my drive should be just as peaceful(ie. not worrying about being ticketed etc) if I chose to break the law and speed. I think not!

Illegal alien law breakers SHOULD be frightened and shouldn't be in this country, period!

Sifuentes up to his usual slant!!

legal Immigrant wrote on Mar 2, 2008 11:19 AM:Shame on you NCT, Sefuente,Flores and Martinez...You are shamelesly defendind the deportation of hardcore criminals from our community. Unbelievable !!??. your coverage and public comments are offensive to all resisedents in our community. What a shame!!??

ObSERVER wrote on Mar 2, 2008 12:08 PM:Awesome Escondido PD!!!!!! Give Officer WHittaker a raise and promotion! I don't understand "El Grupo's" idea that identified CRIMINALS who just happen to be illegal aliens are somehow exempt from the law. That is purely p.c. diatribe..... I support Chief Maher and EPD 100%

You don't speak for me wrote on Mar 2, 2008 12:16 PM:Look, I feel like I need to say my ethnicity, Mexican-American. These activist make it sound it sound like they are after all latinos. They are not. But, if a cop paints me with the same paint brush, then we will have problems. Just because I have brown skin doesn't mean I'm not an American,. I may have a slight accent, that's what some people have told me, but thats because I speak two languages. I'm also a veteran and a registered Republican.

bouttime25 wrote on Mar 2, 2008 12:18 PM:its about time that ESCO gets rid of the illegals! when they jump that fence, they know that they are risking getting caught....hence makes them ALL ILLEGALS!!!!!. GET RID OF THEM ALL! chinese, mexicans, anybody that comes without permission all need to go

Bo wrote on Mar 2, 2008 12:35 PM:If you are frightened by Border Patrol vehicles GO HOME!

Tuck wrote on Mar 2, 2008 1:17 PM:Does anyone know what Hussein will do to solve our immigration problem?

To tuck wrote on Mar 2, 2008 1:22 PM:He will give them driver's licenses. That's a great way to curb the illegals, give them even more undeserved benefits.

John from Escondido wrote on Mar 2, 2008 1:37 PM:I simply do not understand why law abiding Hispanics continue to defend the criminal aliens and condemn the police department. I don't have a problem everytime the police arrest a white suspect why should they be upset about Hispanics being arrested. It is quite simple. Follow the rules and you don't need to be afraid of any law enforcement officers.....local or federal.

Bobby wrote on Mar 2, 2008 1:39 PM:What does "fragile relationship with the "latino community" mean? Does it mean that if the "lation community" isn't allowed everything that it wants to do, from A to Z even if it is against United States law, then American citizens are skating on "thin ice" with the "latino community". How far this lawlessness has gone is becoming ridiculous. Ethnic politics is going to be the ruin of this nation. If you read Alan Wall's reports from Mexico,(he is an American living in Mexico, with premission) none of this B.S. goes on in Mexico. They wouldn't stand for it, even as corrupt as Mexico's politicians are, they have respect for their nation. And our politicians...?

I suppert border patrol wrote on Mar 2, 2008 2:09 PM:I'm not scarted of the border patrol, I like seeing them in Escondido. I'm a legal citizen and supporting all law enforcement is my right as an american. If your scared of the police, border patrol, you know your doing something wrong, like criminals do. If your an illegal, you should be panicing, its just getting started. I wish we would open a border patrol agency in every city and patrol and back up local police when people can't show proof of insurance, drivers Id, and so on. I'm glad illegals are scared, hopefully enough to leave our city forever. If this is a place you broke into, don't expect americans to welcome or be nice to you for being a criminal, we will not.

definger wrote on Mar 2, 2008 2:11 PM:The 30,000,000 grade school drop out-felons here cost the tax payer $338,000,000,000 A YEAR! And not a word is said by any one now running for president. Sketchy to say the least. Dubya?

You don't speakl for me wrote on Mar 2, 2008 2:27 PM:To Tuck,

You notice known of the politicians have touched on the immigration subject? Makes you wonder doesn't it. It's obvious, they know something we don't. I'm not not an advocate for illegal immigration but I think that cheap labor helps the economy, they just won't or can't admit it. Let's face some cold hard facts, this country was built on cheap labor. From slavery to migrant workers, think about it.

Bennie wrote on Mar 2, 2008 2:28 PM:Consuelo Martinez and her kind don't speak for me.
Get a real job!

RG wrote on Mar 2, 2008 2:45 PM:Bill Flores and Consuelo Martinez, two "Latino Rights" spokespersons, can always be counted upon to attempt getting in the way of any effort to improve neighborhoods. For them to oppose reducing the criminal element of the people they think they represent shows how phony they and their excuses are. If there are Latinos who are frightened by the site of Border Patrol vehicles, they are either illegal and should be worried, or if legal, need to be educated. So if Bill and Consuelo actually want to do something positive, they could go into these neighborhoods and educate these folks as to who is right (The ones getting rid of criminals in their neighborhood) and who is wrong (The criminals themselves). I used to get upset when the NCTimes quoted Bill, Consuelo, Tina, Raoul, etc. Now that I realize just how insane these people sound to law-abiding citizens I'm glad to have their thoughts in print for all to see.

ricardo wrote on Mar 2, 2008 2:45 PM:I like the subheadlne...ACTIVISTS SAY OPERATION TRAMPLED ON CIVIL RIGHTS...as usual with this pamphlet, their never concerned with what AMERICANS say.

WHAT about my rights? wrote on Mar 2, 2008 3:14 PM:Most law abiding citizens are sick and tired of hearing the same old pro illegal alien hacks spew their usual racist vitriole against anyone who wants enforcement of our laws. For them it's always about LATINO RIGHTS, (this is part of their divisive game) never Americans' rights. These pro Mexico nationalists see it only THEIR way. What about my rights to not see my hard earned tax $ squandered on invaders that should not be here in the first place, bankrupting and destroying my schools, hospitals, neighborhoods? What about Caucasian rights; yes, Caucasian Rights? Better yet, what about Americans' rights to law and order instead of this insane wild west lawlessness the illegal alien masses are injecting into our communities nationwide? Then, when Americans' who've had enough of their crimes and other abuses speak out, we get called all kinds of silly names just because we don't like being taken advantage of and ripped off. What kind of a game and con job is this, anyway? Unbelieveable!

DianeC wrote on Mar 2, 2008 3:17 PM:Open border advocate Consuelo Martinez: "It's what scares people into thinking that they are collaborating with immigration," said Martinez."
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Oh Vey Consuelo!

Criminals are supposed to be scared!
It's called Law-Enforcement!

Jack wrote on Mar 2, 2008 3:41 PM:A big THANK YOU to the Escondido PD.
Keep up the good work. Maybe Escondido can get back to a nice town like it was before all the illegals showed up.

Roberto1 wrote on Mar 2, 2008 3:45 PM:No one is against rounding up criminals. You xenophobe types just can't seem to get it right though. All felony criminals regardless of legal status (particularly violent criminals) should be incarcerated. The problem will be when legal citizens become the victims of this witch hunt under the guise of rounding up illegal mexican criminals(under mexican, one size fits all mexicans, neighbourhood, vigilante justice takes over...Again one more time...for the xenophobes.

Skip wrote on Mar 2, 2008 3:48 PM:The very first sentience is in error. The city is not trying to get rid of Illegal Aliens (although they should). The city is specifically targeting illegal Aliens who have criminal records and have been ordered by a Federal judge to be deported previously. Seriously, how much respect would any of these people have for any of our laws if they are already ignoring federal orders and have been convicted of felonies? Illegal aliens are lucky enough to be here as it is, Commit a felony on top of that then it is Adios.

EscoWatchDog wrote on Mar 2, 2008 4:01 PM:It's obvious this is a race issue. When people talk about "illegals" they use Mexican or Latino in the same sentence. How can you all go say you are no racists when you talk so much about Hispanics? You are not only insulting the undocumented people but any Hispanic reading this. We are not law breakers, the laws need to be changed already!

Only round up criminals! wrote on Mar 2, 2008 4:18 PM:Let's just get rid of the "illegal alien" part of illegal alien criminals. We're just rounding up criminals. Who cares where they're from?! I'm sure their neighbors will be glad to see their neighborhoods safer!

Period wrote on Mar 2, 2008 4:55 PM:Can we deport Jorge, Hussein and Clinton back to the Ivy League? Go play with your Ivy league friends and leave us ... to ourselves.

john wrote on Mar 2, 2008 5:28 PM:
The federal government has failed miserably to control the border and to enforce the law. America will cease to have national sovereignty if we don't begin to reinstate the rule of law. It is wrong for illegal immigrants to violate our laws, use fraudulent documents, and send their children free to expensive public schools paid for by U.S. taxpayers.

Guillermo wrote on Mar 2, 2008 5:49 PM:I have never considered my Hispanic heritage as a "racial" issue. What is racial about Mexican, Swedish, Greek or Hungarian? These are NOT "races"! They are merely nationalities! So, to call someone a racist because they simply want the law applied, regardless of who it affects, is either stupid or disingenuous. I think it is simply a nasty, underhanded way to get the upper hand in an argument you are losing, because your stance is wrong. You just start slinging mud and name calling your opponent. "Racist", “xenophobe” and “nativist” is verbally going right for the throat, because you have no valid argument to pose. It is a most vile way to conduct yourself.

Last time wrote on Mar 2, 2008 6:01 PM:This will be my last post on any of these type of articles.I feel the NCT's only encourages these stories for the blogs and I no longer want to be a part of this trap.
I also want to mention that my husband is from one of the countries south of the border. He is Mayan, short and simple. He is not afraid of the Brder Patrol or any other agency. He also resents being spoken to in Spanish, it is not his language and feels it's only because he is brown. So please, racists come in all colors.

What? wrote on Mar 2, 2008 6:10 PM:You got to love that last line, "Even if you are here illegally, I would think you would not want to be living next to somebody who is a criminal." Hello, if you are here illegally you are a criminal. Are we letting the word illegal have mixed meanings? Illegal, Prohibited by law.

anotherview wrote on Mar 2, 2008 6:38 PM:The social bias of illegal alien supporters blinds them to the outcomes of their bias. For example, by scare tactics, these supporters in effect advocate cloaking the presence of criminal aliens amid the illegal alien population. America already has enough criminals. Thank you to the City of Escondido -- its officials and its police -- for starting this law enforcement program to rid the city of criminal aliens. Fourteen criminal aliens down and hundreds to go. The citizens can look forward to a safer city.

Bobby wrote on Mar 2, 2008 7:12 PM:Mexico has immigration laws, so does Guatemala, Brazil,Canada,Argentina and the rest of the world. In fact, so does the United States and you know what,they are going to be enforced. It's happening across the nation, in State after State. The American taxpaying citizenry and legal residents owe illegal aliens absolutely nothing--NOTHING. Right now, everytime an illegal alien receives something from the State, City, or Federal government, it is simply one more theft from the citizen taxpayers and legal residents. There is NO LEGITIMATE DEBATE ON THIS ISSUE. It is a matter of whether we have immigration laws or not. We do. So therefore,any politician who continues to enable illegal immigration is behaving in a lawless and criminal manner, and is against the citizenry they are supposed to represent.

Robert24 wrote on Mar 2, 2008 7:42 PM:Roberto1; read Guillermo's post. He gets it. Your's is just another one of your cut and paste xenophobe rantings, as usual. Guillermo uses common sense, excellent grammar, and sound reasoning, not name calling (xenophobe, racist) and makes his point very well. We've read your standard post for way too long now, and it's really tired.

bryan wrote on Mar 2, 2008 7:45 PM:It doesn't matter. All three presidential candidates want to give amnesty to 20-30 million illegals. McCain wants a virtual fence on the border, but refused to use this same virtual fence for the white house.

Roberto1 wrote on Mar 2, 2008 8:13 PM:Roberto24, I didn't bother looking for but since you think its so great, I suggest you follow you leader or move to another blog since all you added is a complaint.

EscoWatchDog wrote on Mar 2, 2008 9:06 PM:Change the laws! Open the borders and destigmatize honest Mexicans who only come here to work and live. Let people do what they want with their own property like convert garages into living quarters. Recognize graffiti as art and tagging as a legitimate means of claiming territory. Allow grocery stores to provide carts to their customers who need them to get their groceries all the way home without being fined to get them back. Stop harassing honest, hard working people just because of the color of their skin or the language they speak.

Robert24 wrote on Mar 2, 2008 9:38 PM:Roberto1: What was your response really supposed to say? It makes absolutely no sense (and you forgot to put xenophobe in it also).

Roberto1 wrote on Mar 2, 2008 9:58 PM:Robert24 for you....Xenophobe and it says find something or somebody else to complain and whine about.

Jose1 wrote on Mar 2, 2008 10:11 PM:Can you imagine the chaos it would create if the new president gives amnesty to all the illegal aliens.
1) We would be the laughing stock of the world.
2) We would piss of all the other countries who have people waiting on the list to come here Legally.
3) The offspring these people will have, is going to be threefold or more in ten years.
4) It will disservice all the legal citizens and legal immigrants that obey the law and follow the rules.
5) Our rules and laws will no longer have a real meaning within them or behind them, a lawless country.
I could go on and on, then what happens when the next 25-50 million illegals come over and they want amnesty, and they will be from all over the world, no conformity, no assimilation. This move would definitely be the end for this country. If the presidential candidates can not see the potential disasters by this amnesty they should not be in the running. It is crucial that we enforce our immigration laws to the fullest to avoid such devastation.

Esco wrote on Mar 3, 2008 5:56 AM:they need to stop giving amnesty-

Yeah wrote on Mar 3, 2008 5:57 AM:Great Work Escondido Police!!!!!!!!!!!-

What the bad guys wrote on Mar 3, 2008 6:30 AM:don't understand or are incapable of understanding that everyone with a cell phone or landline are reporting events to the Police Departments. Can't do the time, don't do a crime.-

Roberto1 wrote on Mar 3, 2008 6:35 AM:Whats wrong with rounding up all felony criminals..why only the Mexicans....seems more like a witch hunt in this context to me.

Can someone explain wrote on Mar 3, 2008 6:52 AM:to me, if I am an illegal alien and have been deported by a city and the city police know who I am, why would anybody return to the same city? Friends, family you might say, but I would definetly either communicate by phone or make arrangments for a vist in another city. And don't bother with employment there are jobs in ALL cities that "will hire the illegal to do work Americans won't." I am so tired of hearing that along with racist, I think I would rather go back to listening to Barney the Dinosaur songs. All together now! I love you, you love me. aaarrrrggghhhhh!!!-

To Roberto1 wrote on Mar 3, 2008 7:38 AM:again being very paranoid....not all latino are being rounded up and hauled to the border. These are proven criminals who have re-entered the USA illegally....again. They have done time and broken the law again.....what part of this is so hard to understand? Personally, I am sick an tired of paying high taxes to support all the latino on welfare. Become a citizen, learn the language (which by the way is English), obey the laws, or get the hell out of the USA.-

Illegal Aliens That Commit Crimes Costs Skyrocket For Courts wrote on Mar 3, 2008 7:45 AM:An estimated $108.2 million is spent each year by some of the nation’s poorest counties to pay for law enforcement, criminal justice and emergency healthcare services to illegal immigrants who commit crimes, according to a report released by the United States/Mexico Border Counties Coalition (USMBCC), this week.

The report, entitled Illegal Immigrants in U. S. Border Counties: Costs of Law Enforcement, Criminal Justice and Emergency Medical Services, tallied costs that all 24 U. S. counties on the Southwest border bear for law enforcement, criminal justice and emergency healthcare related to illegal immigrants who commit crimes.-

To Roberto1 wrote on Mar 3, 2008 8:37 AM:You misconstrue as usual.

The sweep had nothing to do with "legal residents" as you stated !! Bad! BAD! BAD!!

Your quote:
"The problem will be when LEGAL CITIZENS become the victims of this witch hunt under the guise of rounding up illegal mexican criminals(under mexican, one size fits all mexicans, neighbourhood, vigilante justice takes over...Again one more time...for the xenophobes.

Guillermo wrote on Mar 3, 2008 8:57 AM:Seems that Forrest Gump is a pretty good philosopher, after all. He was right up there with Kant and Kirkegaard, when he said; “Stupid is as stupid does.

Pondering what mis hermanos, who think large parts of this great country ought to revert to Mexico, could possibly be thinking, I come up with the answer that they have NOT really thought it through. I can’t possibly imagine any intelligent person thinking living under Napoleonic Law and under a regime of total corruption would be a good thing. They have been propagandized, lied to and taught false history by USA hating activists in public schools.

I don’t want to live in a country where the top 3% of wealthy families controls everything and the other 97% gets nada.

Does the average kid in Mexico have the wonderful opportunity to get a free K-12 education? If that child does well and appreciates the education he is getting, can he excel to the point where he is offered a chance to attend the Naval Academy? Succeeding at that and graduating as a 2nd Lt. in the Marines, would Mexico afford that child the opportunity to go to flight school, receive the finest training in the world and become a helicopter pilot?

South of the border, only the people in that top 3% of the ruling elite gets the ‘opportunities’ afforded to ALL ninos in the USA. The people marching in the streets for ‘rights’ and organizing on the college campuses for Reconquista and Aztlan don’t fully comprehend what they would lose, were their treasonous efforts to prove successful.

I have served 14 years as a commissioned officer, defending this country so far. When the time comes that I separate or retire, one of the first things I plan to do is join the local Minuteman organization wherever I am. They need some more brown faces to get the point across that they have been given a bad rap. Viva USA

Robertow1 wrote on Mar 3, 2008 9:32 AM:What I meant to say is enforce the laws we all ready have.

THANK YOU! wrote on Mar 3, 2008 9:41 AM:keep up the good work. We need this dangerous element out of our city! It is a good small first step!

Jerry wrote on Mar 3, 2008 9:42 AM:YES, YES, YESSSSSS. Send all the illegals back to Mexico to clean up their own corrupt government.

Betty wrote on Mar 3, 2008 11:04 AM:The legal population that is here do NOT want someone stealing from them, be it their car, or breaking in there house. These people work hard for what they have, I believe if you spoke with any of them, they would have no problem saying send these crooks back. But, the problem is- what is it you're sending them back to? A Mexico prison? I rather doubt it, or they wouldn't be back here so fast. A better system has to be set up so both g'ments recognize the crime, and steps are set up to keep the crooks in jail.
Our own g'ment is letting 'all' of us down. I only pray that we will see the stop of the flight of these people, that Mexico will be open to all of there people to make a decent living and not cater to the wealthy. The people themselves will have to rise up in unison and take there country back, only then will things change. Do they love their country enough to do this, or just keep running?

Who cares about skin color. wrote on Mar 3, 2008 11:49 AM:Who cares that they are Mexican? The FACT is they come here illegally, they commit crimes. I live in Escondido, my son's school class picture shows all Lationo's and 2 white kids. It's a FACT! It's a FACT we live in a town that is primarily Hispanic. And it's a FACT that much of the Hispanic population IS HERE LEGALLY! But,it's also a fact that they are also the victim of these crimes done by people illegall and of the same color! Who CARES? If they have done a crime it's not about color! It's about the crime and that tax paying citizens should not have to pay for the criminal to live here. Again, it does not matter about color, it's only a FACT that we live in a town that is mostly Hispanic. And if we lived in Chicago the criminals would be mostly BLACK. If we lived in Witchita Kansas most criminals would be [white], it's just all a matter of location.

peacekeeper wrote on Mar 3, 2008 11:56 AM:Sifuentes wrote "In it's attempts to rid itself of illegal immigrants" Interesting bias slant in "journalism". The motivation for the Police efforts is this. Police repeatedly arrest badguy for drugs, gang activity, domestic violence, etc. Bad guy goes to jail, then deported and returns illegally. Officer knows that Bad guy is illegal and sees him again in Escondido(A felony by being back in USA after formal deportation) Bad Guy's detained and turned over to Federal Immigration. Do these activists want police to leave this criminal here in the city and not get him until he is caught for a crime? How many crimes does the guy commit before getting caught? Do we wait for him to rape someone? Or shoot an officer? Or drive drunk and kill someone? The perception that police are scooping up illegals for driving without a license is inaccurate to say the least. The police policy specifically states that formally deported aliens are the target, not the illegal aliens w/ no criminal history.

Chief Maher and Officer Whitaker don't want border patrol's job of picking up the illegal immgrants with no criminal history. No civil rights violations going on here in Escondido. Police frequently contact, cite and release, help, etc illegal immigrants. It is not and can not be a police job to pick up the non- formal deportees. Police need to serve them, they can't be afraid of police or else the unreported crimes will sore.

Amnesty is not the answer ...

Greg in Oceanside wrote on Mar 3, 2008 12:20 PM:Latinos should have absolutely nothing to worry about if they're here legally, and have not broken the law, are licensed drivers with automobile insurance. If they're here illegally and/or have broken the law then they should worry. Latinos who are harboring illegal aliens or are aiding and abetting them should worry. We are a county of laws, something that seems to be foreign to immigrants. Open border, illegal alien advocates seem to think that just because Mexico is our neighbor we should forgo any immigration laws and policies and allow foreigners to come here under their terms. As was mentioned by others, the 'Most Wanted' link on any of our local law enforcement’s web sites speaks volumes. And with the recent tragedy of the previously deported illegal alien who killed several students in Minnesota, this further necessitates the actions of law enforcement and ICE of removing illegal aliens from our country.-

What a bunch of ** wrote on Mar 3, 2008 1:02 PM:Our government, the United States of America, told us 12 million and our government doesn't LIE!! Upon learning that 12 twelve million illegal aliens have invaded our nation and are still occuping American soil, most Americans become alarmed and angry. What will the People think and do when they learn that the problem may actually be more than three times greater than the government admits? A group called Californians for Population Stabilization has issued a report, which concludes that as many as 38 million illegal aliens are occupying America.

Even Japan is wrote on Mar 3, 2008 1:21 PM:having to deport illegal aliens. The number of illegal aliens staying in Japan as of Jan. 1 was 149,785, down 21,054 from last year, according to a survey by the Justice Ministry's Immigration Bureau. The number has decreased for 15 consecutive years since 1993, when 298,646 illegal aliens, the largest ever number, were recorded. The largest number of illegal aliens, 31,758, were from South Korea.
Deportation procedures were taken against 45,502 foreigners for violation of the Immigration Control and Refugee Recognition Law last year. A total of 10,424 foreigners were refused entry to the country at immigration examinations at airports and other places.

Patriot wrote on Mar 3, 2008 5:05 PM:Fears of a witch hunt like that expressed in the Mar 2, 2008 3:45 PM post are unfounded. Where is Roberto1's proof that law abiding legal residents of Mexican descent are being victimized by this roundup? He can't offer any proof because he lives thousands of miles away across the ocean and imagines victimhood. If legal citizens were indeed being victimized, those victims would be making a very loud noise now in this blog, in the newspaper, on TV, in the streets, in the courts, and elsewhere.

joe wrote on Mar 3, 2008 5:18 PM:Does everyone know that you can click on news icon on home page and it will take you to each city for more local stories? I clicked on to escondido and only saw 2-3 commentsa for the past few weeks. Skip found it and has ben one of the only ones commenting on the girl getting 5 years for robbing migrant workers.

MVet wrote on Mar 3, 2008 5:37 PM:The bipartisan U.S. / Mexico Border Counties Coalition, in partnership with the University of Arizona and San Diego State University, will release a statistical study showing the true cost of illegal immigration within the criminal justice system of Americas 24 counties bordering Mexico. These counties within California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas have spent well in excess of one billion dollars in less than a decade to respond to the federal governments failure to secure the nations border. SOURCE: USNewswire

Roberto1 wrote on Mar 3, 2008 6:04 PM:Great idea....look for only Mexican illegal immigrat criminals...after all legal criminals only commit good crime.....your right, stupid is, stupid does.

To Roberto1 wrote on Mar 3, 2008 8:19 PM:You're utterly foolish to think the cops aren't going after other criminals as well. The more you try and make your point, the more you let us see just how little you know.
You left out your trademark word,"xenophobe," when it actually has nothing to do with not liking foreigners. We simply want our immigration and civil laws enforced and obeyed.

WhoWhat wrote on Mar 3, 2008 9:36 PM:This story was done before only this time it had an even more pro illegal CRIMINAL alien stance. NCTD put a muzzle on Edward Sifuentes or put his stories in the opinions, because this story is full of it, "opinions" that is

EscoWatchDog wrote on Mar 3, 2008 11:28 PM:Yes, change the laws and do not impersonate me. I did not say open the borders, but create a realistic way for people to become legal residents. You are all so angry and bitter, how selfish are you?

I bet if you were in the situation of other people you would have a different tune to sing. I agree with Bill and Consuelo, keep up the great work guys. You do represent me and all these anti-migrant folks have nothing better to do but blame migrants instead of the system that exploits poor people!

mimi76 wrote on Mar 4, 2008 12:49 AM:Another topic relating to legal immigration and illegal aliens is the 14th Amendment as it is. We need to put pressure on the House and Senate and the new President to amend/change it to be: a child born on USA soil is considered the same citizenship as the parent(s). If the parent(s) are in the process of becoming legal citizens and are here with the proper paperwork, the child will become a citizen when the parent does. The US is the only country that still allows birthright citizenship. It is an outdated and disfunctional system. This would also be a deterrent for abuse and misuse of social services, mind you, not a fix but a deterrent. -

mimi76 wrote on Mar 4, 2008 12:59 AM:Being OFFERED legal immigration to America is a PRIVLEGE, not a given. It can be hoped for, but should not be expected. We can not allow people to disobey whichever laws they deem don't suit them or their needs. Why have any laws at all? Our immigration laws have been on the books for decades. Yes these laws need to be updated for the current growth and economy of the USA, but it still is unacceptable for anyone to break the law because they want a better life. No one ever said immigration to our country should or would be easy or fast. We have a right to monitor and control how many and when approved immigrant applicants come to our country. Every nation in the world has this very same right, including Mexico. The real problem is Mexico's for not stepping up to the plate and doing right by its own citizens by providing them with good jobs, healthcare and schools. Futhermore, contrary to some peoples' perception, Mexico is a very rich country from oil revenues, agriculture revenues and tourism. Not to mention all the millions of dollars the US sends the Mexican government in foreign aid and the billions (yes billions) the Mexican citizens living here send back to their home country. Don't get me wrong- I completely understand that not all illegal aliens come from Mexico, but simply by geography alone the Hispanic illegal alien number is the overwhelming majority. I do not have sympathy for anyone who chooses to disregard our laws and disrespects our citizens and national sovereignty. I am tired of the United States being blamed for the plight of the Mexican people. Mexico needs to be held accountable for its lack of regard for its own people. The Mexican people need to start demanding the Mexican government make the necessary changes for the betterment of their people and quit crying foul once they come to the US under illegal conditions. We as a country don't owe them anything. The USA is to blame for allowing the illegal immigration problem to get as bad as it is, ignoring businesses who hire illegals, and equally to blame for not demanding Mexico provide for its citizens. I personally have several Hispanic friends, English friends, Irish friends, Danish friends, Dutch friends...the list goes on. I am fortunate to know these wonderful people and have them in my life. All of them came here by going through the legal process and are offended and outraged at the illegal population demanding rights and services here. Many illegals from other countries sit back and let the Mexican nationals do all the 'sqawking'. People who need a better life are the people of Darfur that get their hands chopped off so they don't even think about stealing from the Militia (including the children) or the Somalian people who deal with starvation and drought every day for years on end. Those are true examples of people who NEED better lives.-

Roberto1 wrote on Mar 4, 2008 3:52 PM:What amazes me is the hatred and time spent on illegal alien workers yet talk about invading Iraq, 5 billion for drug intervention in Colombia etc and no even has a clue what your talking about....Mexico is our neighbour just as Canada is...(1.2 billion barrels of oil from Mexico everyday) and even more from Canada...It seem to me that economic intervention will go a lot further than blindsided XENOPHOBIA. Yes we are the police of the world but can't even deal with our neighbours and it is a two way street an economic street.

Bobby wrote on Mar 4, 2008 6:31 PM:Roberto 1, granted there are people who hate illegal alien workers. But to reduce this whole issue of massive unrelenting, illegal immigration down to people hating some other people is absurd. It is far too simplistic and even a red herring. I think you really know it, since you sound too intelligent to really believe what your saying. Maybe I'm wrong!

Roberto1 wrote on Mar 4, 2008 7:05 PM:I disage, No one I know has a problem with efforts to incarcerate felony criminals. The problem is when they pick a specific illegal alien (felony criminal and don't focus on all felony criminals..this is political red herring as it should be....these my friend are xenophobes.

John wrote on Mar 4, 2008 8:11 PM:These my friend are CRIMINALS!!
And you really should stop misusing the word xenophobe. As you can see this is a country of foreigners, we came here legally (many, many years ago) with a sponsor and assimilated, we did not fight the system, we wanted a better life and the system in which we came to (the United States) had that for us. Coming here illegally and continuing to do criminal acts is complete idiocy.
I'm sure you have some phobic word you misuse when they go after parolees, who are stupid enough to think they have won something. Is that a political red herring as well?

This American wrote on Mar 5, 2008 3:24 PM:The open border cadre, as usual has NO argument. They can only continue to call names and try and promote guilt. The old saw "good fences make good neighbors is completely appropriate here. What's wrong with that OBL? What's wrong with the US remaining a sovereign nation with language, borders and culture ALL it's own? What's wrong with Americans NOT wanting to be ripped off and invaded by undocumented, unlocatable criminals? What's wrong with wanting Mexico to care for it's own citizens and NOT expecting/demanding the US to do so? The answer is there is NOTHING wrong with that and all the name calling, brow beating and "race" baiting will not change that FACT.

Roberto1 wrote on Mar 5, 2008 4:27 PM: They may chasing felony illegal alien criminals but no one cares about your run of the mill legal felony criminals...what part of political grandstanding are you xenophobes missing? If I understand the logic being used by the xenophobes of Escondido, Focus on illegal alien criminals since legal fleonious individuals commit good crime.

Patriot wrote on Mar 6, 2008 8:37 AM:Roberto1 wrote at Mar 5, 2008 4:27 PM: "If I understand the logic being used by the xenophobes of Escondido, Focus on illegal alien criminals since legal fleonious (sic) individuals commit good crime." The way I see it, this is efficient police work. Escondido has a problem with felons who are deported to Mexico and return to the city to commit crime. If the felons repeatedly causing the most crime are illegal aliens, it makes sense to focus law enforcement on the repeat offenders.

Hatch in Escondido wrote on Mar 6, 2008 4:07 PM: You know, folks, there is strong evidence indicating that being soft on illegal criminals doesn't work. Look at Los Angeles.
Really, does anyone truly care what lawbreakers think about the city's efforts? Anyone that supports criminals is not worth wasting breath on. This is our country, our laws and our way of life. ...

Hatch in Escondido wrote on Mar 6, 2008 4:18 PM:Patriot, Roberto1's spelling is often flawed and his grammar is atrocious. Could he be our long lost buddy Danny?

Roberto1 wrote on Mar 6, 2008 9:15 PM:Let me get this straight... Hatch and Patriot go around finding blogs to bash mexican, illegal alien mexicans and spreading misinformation and race baiting...No I'm not your buddy Danny.

Escondodo wrote on Mar 7, 2008 3:47 AM:'Roberto1' needs to take a moment and reflect on where he is. 'Hatch', 'Patriot', 'Escondodo', or whomever, are not out looking for blogs... If you perceive us to be bashing mexican illegals you might be right. This is not race baiting nor misinformation. Most American citizens with Spanish surnames feel the same way. Love it or leave it!

Roberto1 wrote on Mar 7, 2008 9:03 AM:Escondodo, morphing your handles and changing and spin doctoring whats being discussed is nothing more than cyberbabble...

Upset wrote on Mar 7, 2008 12:08 PM:Well after reading all you comments, it just comes to show how much hate you have in your hearts. I agree with arresting all the people who break the law, but I see that all you focus on is the hard working illegal immigrants that come here to better their lives. I bet that there are a lot of people who's parents came here illegally to better their lives and are now US Citizens. How would they feel if that opportunity was never given to them. Why is it that you don't talk about all the White ... or other illegal nationalities we have here in Escondido. I just feel that if your a hater towards any type of immigrants (illegals) as you call them then you should take a look at you family tree and don't be surprised to find out that your own blood was once an illegal immigrant.

Roberto1 wrote on Mar 7, 2008 4:11 PM:Upset, don't let the xenophobes get to you...they are pathetic peoplle. 20 years from now, time will show them for what they are. Tell them time and time again no one likes violent criminals of any kind and they only care about type of felony criminal that is in line with their xenophobia.

EscoWatchDog wrote on Mar 7, 2008 5:03 PM:you are all racists why only pick on immigrant felons. I was one of those marching in the street waving the PROUD flag of Mexico and demanding full citizenship for all of the immigrants of my country, without the waiting in line like the other non Mexican immigrants who are here had to do. You are all racists who do you think you are telling us we do not have all the rights of you do. I agree with Roberto1 you are all xylophones.

Kortney wrote on Mar 7, 2008 5:31 PM:Escondido PD keep up the excellent work. Actually the more sweeps the better.

Roberto1 wrote on Mar 8, 2008 5:37 AM:Way to go Escowatchpuppy...And your point is that all felons are not created equal....yep, there is good crime and bad crime based on race.

Cyber-morpher wrote on Mar 9, 2008 4:05 AM:of course, the only answer is to completely open the borders with Mexico and immediately grant dual citizenship to all and make Calderone governor of Atzlan. Then we can all fly the PROUD flag of Mexico. Maybe Calderone and Schwarzeneggar can be co-governators. I'm sure we can work something out. Let's see how our lives are all improved when Mexico's manifest destiny is achieved.

Roberto1 wrote on Mar 9, 2008 8:56 AM:I think its called NAFTA not Aztlan.

EscoWatchDog (the real one) wrote on Mar 9, 2008 10:35 PM:Sleazy tactics...as usual some folk will resort to very low tactics to make the other side look bad. Hence, I show you a quote that was not made by me, but someone using my screen name. Nice try..NCT do you even check the screen name with the IP addresses? Geez. I don't wave Mexican or American flags - patriotism is blinding.

"EscoWatchDog[-] wrote on Mar 7, 2008 5:03 PM:you are all racists why only pick on immigrant felons. I was one of those marching in the street waving the PROUD flag of Mexico and demanding full citizenship for all of the immigrants