Murrieta man sues local blog site
By: JOHN HALL - Staff Writer
Experts say such a defamation lawsuit is an uphill battle for variety of reasons | ∞
MURRIETA ---- Saying that comments posted on a local blog have defamed him, a Murrieta man filed a civil lawsuit Thursday in what his attorney calls "a novel legal issue."
Roy Holmgren claims in his lawsuit that statements made about him on murrietaopinion.blogspot.com have exposed him to "hatred, ridicule, contempt and disgrace."
Holmgren is suing the operator of the blog as well as those who have posted the comments about him.
But, so far, neither he nor his attorney, Richard Ackerman, know who specifically they are suing.
"... the defendants hide behind the veil of the Internet to cover up their nefarious and tortious activities," the lawsuit states.
Ackerman said Thursday that he has tried to find out who runs the blog from the host of the site, blogspot.com, but they have yet to cooperate.
"Whoever they are, they don't have the right to publish defamatory material," Ackerman said.
The lawsuit lists what it calls "false statements or general assertions" about Holmgren made on the blog.
According to the suit, bloggers said he was a stalker, that he is married to an illegal alien, that he has committed crimes that destroyed property, illegally gained credit report information, vandalized a blogger's sport utility vehicle, and that he begs for money on the side of the road.
One blogger called Holmgren "a danger to this community" and wrote that he has mental and emotional problems he can't control, according to the lawsuit.
No one associated with the Murrieta Opinion blog could be found or reached for comment for this article.
Holmgren is seeking monetary damages along with a court injunction forcing the blog site to remove any information about him deemed to be false.
Two legal experts said Thursday they believe Holmgren has an uphill battle in his lawsuit against the operator of the blog site. It might be a little easier to go after the people who wrote the comments, but even that will be difficult, they said.
Los Angeles-based corporate and business attorney Douglas Mirell said that because blogs are relatively new, case law surrounding what he calls the "phenomenon" of blogs is still developing.
Mirell, president of the ACLU Foundation of Southern California, has expertise in First Amendment litigation, entertainment lawsuits and new media issues.
"This boils down to, for the most part, being an issue of old wine in new bottles," Mirell said.
"The law of defamation hasn't changed," he said. The way people can be defamed has, however.
It is increasingly possible to be defamed on a blog than the more traditional way on the pages of a newspaper, Mirell said.
Those who choose to say things about someone else on a blog need to be careful, he warns.
"People who think they can blog anonymously are wrong," Mirell said.
There is also the issue, once someone is defamed on the Internet, of how to repair the damage that was done because it is so far-reaching and often impossible to have postings retracted.
"A person may never be able to undo the damage that has been done," Mirell said.
Peter Scheer, executive director of the California First Amendment Coalition and a graduate of Harvard Law School, said there is a section of the Federal Communications Decency Act that provides protection and "very broad immunity" to those who operate blogs or similar sites.
While the authors of the blog comments can have liability, Scheer said they also have some strong defenses.
"One defense can be that the things they wrote were not to be taken as facts, but pure opinion," Scheer said.
But the hard part is being able to find who made the comments in question, he said. The operator of the blog site may not even know who a specific comment came from, Scheer said.
"You have to go through some big hoops" to get that sort of information, especially in California, Scheer said.
"You have to show you have a case and that the case is pretty strong ... and that you can't get the relief you are entitled to without this information," he said.
It is possible to track someone who posts on a blog site through what is called an Internet Protocol address, which is a unique online fingerprint.
However, Scheer said, the U.S. Supreme Court has held that the First Amendment to the Constitution protects a person's right to anonymous speech. But he quickly added that right of protection of free speech originated back in the days of the country's Founding Fathers.
"People think being anonymous gives them the freedom to say irresponsible things," Scheer said.
"Freedom of speech is the freedom to say what you are willing to own up to," he added.
Contact staff writer John Hall at (951) 676-4315, Ext. 2628, or jhall@californian.com.
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Kate wrote on Mar 7, 2008 8:14 AM:By putting this in the paper, Roy has now exposed himself even further. What do you think people who know him are going to do as soon as they read this article? They are going to check out the blog.
The Wizard of Oz wrote on Mar 7, 2008 11:51 AM:WHO is this guy?
Jack wrote on Mar 7, 2008 2:25 PM:Obviously the guy is nobody. Otherwise these blog comments would be buzzing as usual. Like Kate said, it seems the article/lawsuit is going to do more harm then the blog is that he is suing over.
Blogger wrote on Mar 7, 2008 2:37 PM:Watch out Californian. You may find yourself in this position if you keep letting the Temecula Council cronies defame some well-known, long-time, repected and ethical leaders in this region.
Hey some Latinos wrote on Mar 7, 2008 2:53 PM:keep blogging people who are against open borders saying they are racists, can we sue them? And we know who they are!
Hey sometimes wrote on Mar 7, 2008 2:57 PM:NCT doesn't publish my blogs, can I sue them for denying me my first amendment right? This could be fun!!! :) This will surely turn into a money maker for lawyers.
To Blogger wrote on Mar 7, 2008 3:32 PM:Hey, you've got a point. Doubtful, but if Ackerman wins the case, then any Californian disclaimer about blog comments may be meaningless, especially since they monitor comments and are the decision-maker as to what eventually gets published.
What? wrote on Mar 7, 2008 8:24 PM:This was inevitable. People seem to think they can say whatever they want online without a thought to the possible legal consequences. Oh but it's anonymous. Hehe yeah right.
What? wrote on Mar 7, 2008 8:34 PM:Hey sometimes. This is NCT's bat and ball, they can choose who to publish in their publication. That is part of their right to freedom of speech. You are welcome to start your own paper or blog so their choices in no way interfere with your right to free speech. You are correct when you say the lawyers are gonna make truck loads 'O cash on this.
Jeanne-belle wrote on Mar 7, 2008 10:15 PM:This country and the people in it are not the ones I knew growing up decades ago. Sure there were a few 'bullies' but intact families laid down the law, spanked the kid, demanded respect for self, family, all humans. Teachers led by example, and believe it or not, few locked doors at night. We even hitch hiked - horrors! Now we're divided, scared, worried, have a need to be 'above others' and that attitude includes bringing down others, through hate-mongering comments and acts and words of defamation. Who do you want to 'get' and shame this week? "Sticks and stones....names will never hurt me?" Go for it. Who will be your victim this week? A cute kid at school will scratch himself, cry and run to the principal to report that YOUR son did it! Of course, the cute kids witnesses will swear YOUR KID did it! Your kid is expelled. How easy it is - does it make you feel good to damn every article the NCT prints? Do you pay for a NCT subscription so a paperboy will make a few dollars? No, you can't wait to pounce anonymously of course, to pretend you are a know it all, have answers for every little and large 'problem' and certainly have the right to judge a person on a short news article. First amendment? My take on the first amendment is 'say unto others as you would have them say unto you' - or judge you, love you, cuss you, care about you, no drink and drive in your lane, not tell lies. The [worse] you act ..., the smaller you are. Nothing I can say will change the course of these 'comments' on this website and truthfully, I don't even like using precious time to pen this. After all, I'm just nonsensically contributing to the low-class small-minded know-it-all wimps who need the euphoria pick up of seeing their brilliance in 'print' - a prozac moment.
I will not revisit this article or comments, so won't give you the satisfaction of thinking you've beaten me to a pulp. Get a life for one day - or are you addicted to releasing your venom on this web-site?
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